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Archive 5 (September 2004)
Dwarf Tossing, Mailing list, Deleting user subpages, Hi, confederation, help stubs, cat's eyes, Thanks - translation, Useless information part 1, TV Naming conventions., Adminship, Featured articles, City Maps, Configuration for Africa (dual gauge) diagram., Railway disasters - consolidate lessons learned., Ireland recategorization, Irish holidays, Flags of non-sovereign nations, Congratulations, Images, Newbie mistakes from new user, Second chance comments, Hiberno-English, Irish COTW, IRC, Irish todo

Thank You!

Thanks for your "Keep" vote - it seems that about half of Misplaced Pages is made of Warhammer haters, but who still consider other more trivial subjects as encyclopaedic, such as Pokemon. Anyway, thanks again!

Forgotmytea

Thanks!

Got your nice note on my talk page and I wanted to thank you for it. Folks like you make this project worthwhile. Best, Lucky 6.9 16:18, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I also read your note to me concerning the Ridge Route article making the Main Page. Thanks for letting us know, Zoney! You are a kind sysop, indeed. --avnative 13:14, Oct 1, 2004 (UTC)

Geography of Ireland

Nice edits just now. I think the article is close to FAC standard ad would love to give it that extra push to get it their, especially as Junior Cert seems to be doing really well without me. Any suggestions for further work? Filiocht 15:10, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I'm taking a look at the Geography article at present, hopefully I can add a few more tweaks. I'm not likely to add to Junior Cert, I've asked on talk there what more needs added, as it looks about as comprehensive as it can be (to me). The Geography article seems reasonably comprehensive so far, I think we should be able to push it to FA standard. While we will be able to improve Ireland greatly next week I hope, it is broader even than culture of Ireland, and so it's probably unlikely we will get that to FA either. But Geography is a candidate IMO. zoney ♣ talk 15:16, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I think culture could get there, too. Need to steal some stuff ftom the article on the Travellers and do something on new immigrant communities. Also I hope to add a section on cultural instutions from the Arts Council to the ploughing championships. We'll see. If W. B. Yeats makes it to FA (looks likely), I want to push to get J. M. Synge there, too, and that needs a lot of work. Then Lady Gregory and Sean O'Casey to have an Abbey set, of sorts!Filiocht 15:22, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Irish language

Halló Zoney, I have found you at User talk:Io. Would it be possible to come back with some question about ga.wikipedia? Between others I would like to know what articles about dogs exist at ga.wikipedia already. See Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Dog breeds#linking to Wikipedias in other languages. Thanks and regards Gangleri 21:14, 2004 Oct 7 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer! Gangleri 01:01, 2004 Oct 9 (UTC)

Thanks

For fixing my unbalanced brackets so wikily! Rich Farmbrough 11:46, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the congrats: I was really surprised to see James Joyce on the Main page so soon. Filiocht 12:44, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your help!

I appreciate the help with the Castletownshend image. Doing the markup on images is very strange to me, but it's fun. Joyous 00:29, Oct 9, 2004 (UTC)

Irish town stubs

You seem to be leading the project of lets-get-all-irish town-stubs-up-to-scratch, and I'd like to help. How can I be of most use? What needs most attention? JOHN COLLISON | (Ludraman) 18:56, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be

Townname (ainmbaile in Irish...

Just a small thing, but IMO it reads better. Whaddya think? JOHN COLLISON | (Ludraman) 19:56, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Graph

Whatcha think? I made it in excel. I think all the data on the axes detracts from it, though. JOHN COLLISON | (Ludraman) 23:29, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Irish images

Thanks for your kind words on the Skerries harbor photo. I was in Ireland this past summer, and I have a good many pictures. Most aren't particularly high quality, though: obvious vacation pics. I do have a nice shot of the actual castle of Castletownshend, a street shot of Baltimore, and the beach on Sherkin Island. Also the Ceim Hill Museum, although there's no article on that, and I can't imagine that it's notable enough for one. And sheep. Lots of sheep. Are the Irish worried that the sheep will organize and take over the govt? Joyous 00:58, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)

A proposal - your comments requested

Hi zoney! On Misplaced Pages talk:Administrator Activity Proposal you had expressed interest in Crecopia's alternative proposal to the Admin Activity one, involving "duty admins". I have written up a more formalized proposal that covers a similar topic, and I would like your thoughts on it. Please see User:Whosyourjudas/proposal. Thanks! Whosyourjudas (talk) 19:34, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Graph

Ya, sure - well noticed! Mebbe the CSO have stats for all of Ireland... BTW in the ROI article should it go under hist or demographics? JOHN COLLISON | (Ludraman) 20:52, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Demographics maybe? zoney ♣ talk 20:58, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Athlone

Why did you put Athlone under the category 'Towns in Roscommon' when 2/3's of the population live in the Westmeath side? CGorman 18:18, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Mistake I guess - is it officially in Westmeath then? zoney ♣ talk 18:22, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Yes, its in Westmeath. Kiand 00:20, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks CGorman 18:57, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Logainmneacha

Where are you getting the Irish language versions of town names? Dungloe is "An Clochan Liath", not "Dun gCloiche"....

It appears there's a castle or something of that name. I'm using a rudimentary google search, in this case "Dungloe" and "Dun" (a guess). Hence the result! However, examining more carefully, even the results I had mention "An Clochan Liath". zoney ♣ talk 23:09, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Its much easier to use the index of a map. --CGorman 17:33, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Níl léirsceál agam le logainmneacha as Gaeilge!, I've no maps here with Irish placenames (and only small ones with English!). I generally use Multimap.com which has quite decent map of Ireland. (Zoom in a few levels to switch to detailed view).

I have to use google to find the Irish placenames (well, I do use my Irish dictionary for common placenames). I had wondered how you seemed to have no problems!

So do please check my edits if you come across any dodgy ones! :-) zoney ♣ talk 17:38, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

IRC chat on meetup

Don't forget the IRC chat re the meetup! #meetup.wikimedia JOHN COLLISON 19:58, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Belfast International (Ireland page)

I note your edit and summary that Aldergrove "certainly" doesn't have many international routes. easyJet fly to Alicante, Amsterdam, Paris, Nice and Malaga. There are also many charter flights to international destinations. Regards Mark 20:38, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

(Again, proof that zoney is human and not infallible :-) zoney ♣ talk 18:06, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Zoney ....? HELP!

Zoney a chara,

Thanks for dropping a line! Yes, I know I'm making a mess of the articles, and as I would like to do a right job on them - and set up a page - I would be more than happy to get any help you might wish to give me.

Looking forward to hearing from you. Slan!

NAMBLA

Eh, I was only fixing a redirect on the article :-) I'll take a looksee anyways. zoney ♣ talk 21:16, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, but please really check, it is an urgent problem. Get-back-world-respect 14:00, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Email

Re'd your email. JOHN COLLISON 16:28, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

From grid to sport

Do you know anything about Irish national grid reference system or Sport in Ireland? I just created both, but they're seriously lacking. I'm looking up stuff to put into them now? I nominated Sport on ICOTW aswell. JOHN COLLISON 00:16, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Question

Who's dealing with WP:VP? - Ta bu shi da yu 23:52, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Sept. 11

Hi, Zoney. This is belated, but I wanted to thank you for helping me fight for literacy in the title of the article on the September 11, 2001 attacks. user:Maurreen 02:50, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Celtic Tiger

I've put Celtic Tiger up on WP:FAC. Please support it! Another Irish Featured Article would be great. CGorman 10:22, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks, Zoney, for nominating me and (obviously) supporting me in my adminship nomin. Much appreciated! JOHN COLLISON 14:22, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Inamimate carbon rod

You know, this was actually in an episode. It was the one with the giant ants and the "The Right Stuff" parody.

Thanks for the warm welcome

as the headline says.... but thats kind of typical irish, isn't it?

I also took the wikiaddict test thingy..and got 81 points straight on I'm trying to improve my english in this way, and so started right on with the Sister Fidelma article..

Lectonar 12:03, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Culture of Greece

Culture of Greece is this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article.

Econ of Ireland

This is a whole can of worms, I'm afraid (see my comments on the talk page. It would be a pity if the article failed of FAC because of the title, but really Republic of Ireland is not quite right. What do you think we should do? Filiocht 12:41, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. It's getting messy. Still, at the end we should have at least one article available to get featured. There's some work/organisation to be done though. zoney ♣ talk 13:20, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

For the moment I'd say leave things as you have rearranged them for now and hope that nobody questions the status of the Republic. If we make ith 20th century, all the N Ireland stuff would have to be addressed. Then the bigger EoI article can be addressed later. Filiocht 13:43, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)

Maybe we need to ask CGorman about this? Filiocht 14:12, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)

I've apologised for dragging up such a mess, although I think I can blame the page move for instigating the whole thing! zoney ♣ talk 16:09, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It seems a bit hasty, right enough, in hindsight. Still, it's a good article in search of a title. Filiocht 16:15, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the warm welcome (yes, another one!)

hey!

Just wanted to thank you for the warm welcome. Really appreciated it. Very Irish.

Slan go foill,

Ice.

VfD

I certainly don't blame you for voting Keep. I expect that some folks will want more kept than I do. What my comment concerned was the entrenched warfare that has broken out, over and over again, on VfD. You've not been one to participate, but the lines are well drawn. Anthony's reappearance on VfD has probably set a lot of jaws and a lot of teeth on edge, because he does vote "Keep" to everything, regardless. The bad thing that deleters do is call keepers immature or fans. The bad thing that keepers do is imply (as Anthony states) that anyone who wants to delete is some kind of monster who is interested in destroying information, plus the hopes and dreams of innocent contributors. When you said "no need for all this delete delete delete," I only wanted to gently suggest that we all try not to fall back into that.

I vote delete more often than keep, because most of the people who nominate articles have done a proper job: the articles they nominate fail the deletion guidelines. Where I get irritated is where some people have gone so far as to suggest that the mere nomination of an entry is wrong. Unless the nomination is real persecution (user wars, e.g.), it's not wrong to make a nomination. I almost wish more mistakes were made in nomination so that I could vote "keep" more often.

I also have a little irritation, personally, when people suggest that failing to exert an heroic rescue attempt is bad faith or bad character. I think it's great when people figure out new ways to redirect, when people find new stuff to supply wants, but I also think those are ancillary efforts. Where possible (e.g. my suggestion on the Exploding Wales thing), it should be done, but no one should be accused of being a monster for not doing so. I thought your comment crossed from saying that a helpful thing could be done to suggesting that other people were somehow bad for not doing it. That's what I meant by being respectful of one another.

In the past, I was not one who had a problem with Anthony, either, but I'm getting convinced that he actually is trolling, that his purpose is to rile up folks. His first words are often "blatant abuse of": that's the kind of language intended to elicit a violent response. That said, I have tried to be respectful even when describing him to a new user on the VfD page. I hope I can do better than that, and I hope we all can, and I certainly don't want to label anyone any way. Forgive me if it seems that I have done so. I meant only to "lash the vice and not the man" and only that once. Geogre 00:49, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Train toilets

Posted on User:ClockworkTroll

Hi there,

I recently rewrote the passenger train human waste disposal, I'm not sure if you saw this before posting to the talk page. It now does not go into specifics for the US, merely noting that the traditional method (i.e. dump on the tracks) is still used in most of the world (except for newer stock). While it's hard to discern the exact situation in the Western world (without checking each country), some Western countries definitely still have it (certainly here in Ireland we have "dump it" trains, I presume Britain also), so along with the developing world, the traditional method is still used in most of the world (I'd actually be reasonably confident in saying most of the Western world, but that is less certain).

zoney ♣ talk 23:01, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• You're right - I didn't see your changes (which were excellent, I might add). Similarly, when you wrote on my talk page, I had already retracted my hasty remarks. It looks like our thoughts crossed in th email. :) ClockworkTroll 23:13, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

ICTOW

Hi Any ideas what to do about this week's ICTOW? Filiocht 13:10, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

AoI is fine by me. Filiocht 15:06, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

RfA

Zoney, thanks for your "yes" vote on my RFA. I'm looking forward to helping the other admins in keeping things tidy here. Joyous 00:11, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

Architecture

Hi Zoney, I see the Irish fraternity have Architecture of Ireland as this weeks collaboration, I've made the odd tweak, but as I'm in no way Irish don't like to really touch it; but you might find Richard Cassels of use. I'm planning to expand it, but have only just put it on the site, it probably wants a copy-edit too, but I've looked at it for too long to see what's in front of me, so need to leave it alone for an hour. Good luck with the collaboration. Giano 15:10, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Wow, thanks! That should prove useful! zoney ♣ talk 15:14, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Irish Universities

Regarding the Irish universities list i have two points to raise:

1) MIC - this "college of education" should, i believe, not be placed under UL because whilst their is an agreement between the college and university the two are legally separate institutions like many colleges of education in Ireland (who because of the religious nature want to be legally distinct from essentially secular universities) and the list should maintain this distinction otherwise most of the colleges of education and some other colleges will have to be placed under the universities list growing it to an excessive and misleading lenght.

2) The "Limerick School of Art and Design" is this not "LIT School of Art and Design" and therefore as such a faculty or school of the college, again not a distinct legal entity in its own right - if this is true then the school should not be listed in this page - the article is the right place for it - in the case of CIT the school and college are - and where previously - legally distinct entities - read the RTC Act that the article links to.

Just want to keep it consistant - Djegan 20:42, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

An interesting point regarding the college (why do colleges and universities always attempt to make themselves much older than immediately apparent) - as if age is more important than quality. It might be better to include a list of "defunct institutions" - which could be very appropriate, my point with Cork is that the school and college were distinct before the merger and maintained this distinction after the merger with the institute. Djegan 22:43, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I am not so sure that their can be an independent institution within a institute of technology without special legislation, it might well be marketed as differently with different signage but this is quite distinct from been legally independent - a special point was made of Cork (Cork School of Music & Crawford College of Art & Design) in the Regionaal Technical Colleges Acts - their has never been an order for a designating a "School of Art and Design" in Limerick in any capacity within the RTC system (or NCEA/HETAC) theirfore I conclude that the school must be an integral part of the institute as distinct from an indepedent college within it.

The strange thing about LSAD (as you call it) is that it is does not appear in www.irishstatutebook.ie which up to date until 2002 and pretty definitive, nor does it appear on www.cro.ie - I am not trying to be awkward or difficult - if the school is independent - legally - then by all means portray it as such else when in doubt (leave it out). My rational toward asking for additional "proof" is that occassionally their is a tendency (or tempation) in Misplaced Pages to include something for the sake of it - for instance how many improper spellings (often obvious) of Irish words - because the way in which wiki feeds into so many projects it is too easy to poison the web with incorrect facts deliberate or otherwise. Djegan 23:25, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

St. Mary's Cathedral

Hi there,

I would like to know as to why you saw fit to move this page to Limerick Cathedral? It is not, nor ever has been, referred to as such. For one thing, Limerick also has a second cathedral, St. John's Cathedral. Please do not move this page again.

zoney ♣ talk 15:51, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Because it's not wikipedia standard to name cathedrals only by the saints they are dedicated to (you can surely see why doing so would be problematic?). If there are two Limerick cathedrals, the page should be named "St Mary's Cathedral, Limerick". (By the way, the dot in the abbrev of saint is also generally dropped, though this isn't strictly enforced it makes things easier.) Joe D (t) 15:56, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

(it's not "wikipedia standard" to name cathedrals at all - usually those who built the cathedral name it!) zoney ♣ talk 16:55, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I'm refering to the page name, as I'm sure was obvious. With the regards to appending the city name, I'm aware that it's only used for diambiguation only, and that's why it should be named as such. There were three St Mary's Cathedrals on the Irish list alone, there must be many throughout the world, and people may be searching for any one of them, not just the one in Limerick. Joe D (t) 17:46, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Bias

I'd like your opinion at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration. Thanks. Chameleon 12:23, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

River Lee (Ireland)

Thanks for having edited all the links (again). It occurred to me that would have been a better name for the (non-existant) page, but only after I'd already done all bar about two of them and I so didn't have the energy to go back and do it all again. Thank you. :o) — OwenBlacker 15:30, Nov 24, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks!!

Hi there. Thanks for the welcome (and the subsequent edits :-)). I'm just dipping my toes into this stuff & am still finding my feet. I'll try not to screw up! - Pcassidy