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Question regarding policy

Hi Mr. N - I have a question about a policy (or maybe it's just a norm) here that seems kind of vague to me. I will switch to hypothetical references but I have diffs to current events if you would like the real context. Editor A ideologically opposes Editor B. A has B on a watchlist, and appears to have followed him to a couple politically charged articles and reverts some of the things he disagrees with. We would clearly call this WIKIHOUNDING, especially if there's a pattern here. However Editor C also has Editor B on his watchlist, and follows him to the same articles, but supports his viewpoints by reverting Editor A or other editors disagreeing with B. In my mind this seems somewhat troublesome too, but it appears that this is usually characterized as good faith collaboration. Can you help me understand the difference here? Again, if you would like diffs to a current conflict please let me know and I will provide them (preferably by email). Mr Ernie (talk) 01:35, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

@Mr Ernie: Sound as if you're describing a WP:TAGTEAM. Read that over and see if it helps. Difficult to curb for obvious reasons. --NeilN 03:51, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. It does look like it's difficult to address TAGTEAM editing (also AGF). However, it appears we treat WIKIHOUNDING more seriously than TAGTEAMING, although they're for the most part the same thing, with the notable difference of support vs oppose. Mr Ernie (talk) 21:28, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

@Mr Ernie: I think it's because wikihounding is easier to spot because good edits are being reverted for no or flimsy reasons by one editor whereas good faith collaboration is something we want to encourage. For example, I have lots of users' talk pages on my watchlist and most of them have a good grasp of policies and guidelines. So when I see a provocative edit summary I might stick my proverbial nose in, look at the dispute, and revert "per whoever". Now, I might not have ever edited the article before and I might look at related edits, reverting if I think it's appropriate. Is that tag teaming or collaboration? Obviously in this situation I think it's the latter. --NeilN 21:46, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Personal attacks from IPs

Neil, sorry to be a pain, but I feel I have no where else to turn in regards to this matter. Over the last 3 years, I have had the same person using a wide range of IPs casting personal attacks and in a vile bully way that is causing severe distress. The most recent is at Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2017, in which an IP is viciously attacking me. I've been called "an elite", "acolyte", owner, and other horrid remarks. Normally I would take this to ANI, but I find it a daunting place. The IP clearly knows me somehow, as they called me by the old name "Wesley Mouse". As an admin, is there anything you could possibly do to put a stop to this IP casting such attacks? Or maybe even explain to them about how Wikipedias works, as they are causing disruption with their argumentative remarks, demands to have a page unprotected, and have even threatened to attack a page once it is unprotected. Whoever the person is, they are showing clear signs of getting a sadistic kick out of bullying others. Thank you in advance. Wes Wolf  14:43, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

@Wesley Wolf: "The wording is a signature style to one indefinitely blocked user that I know very well..." Who's the indefinitely blocked user? --NeilN 15:19, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

It is one of two people that have used a similar style of attack over the last 6 years, and aimed at myself. And with different IPs, which I shouldn't really be too shocked by that discovery. Attacks have been made via various Eurovision talk pages and even on my own talk page. I'm digging up evidence, as this behaviour is now showing strong signs of harassment, hounding, and potentially cyber-bullying. Wes Wolf  17:28, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

@Wesley Wolf: I'm going to need account names to see how I can help. If you're uncomfortable with posting names/evidence publicly, you can email me. --NeilN 17:36, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

• As you can see from this IP 213.77.26.160 contributions, they have only just jumped into conversations; and not just any user, but they launched straight at myself 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. That is clearly WP:HOUND, WP:HARASS, and WP:BULLY. And they directly attack me by name, which I am starting to get concerned about. This isn't coincidence, it it malicious and purposely targeting me. Wes Wolf  17:37, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Tarkattack was one user who held a long grudge against me a while ago. There is also this archived attack from Tony0106, who attacked me between 2011/12. I'm just not sure which one of them are the attacker, if that makes sense. Wes Wolf  18:43, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

• Neil, it is getting far out of hand now at Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2017. The attacks are unbearable and intimidating. I'm actually scared of logging on here now, knowing that I'll only see some horrid attack from another IP. Wes Wolf  19:39, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

• @Wesley Wolf: I've collapsed a few sections but you're not helping yourself by taunting them. --NeilN 20:03, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

You might wish to block the IP's talk page access too, as it looks like they won't be doing anything productive with it. --‖ Ebyabe - State of the Union ‖ 20:39, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

@Ebyabe: Yes, already done. --NeilN 20:42, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Is there a way that you know of, where I can search the entire Misplaced Pages (talk pages, user talk pages, and their archives) for a specific piece of text? Something that IP wrote at WP:AN which tripped them up on scrutiny, has flagged up a red flag memory in my head of a user who attacked me in a different method, then an IP came along in the same way but tripped up saying they were logged out with the aim to "purposely get away with attacking me" (in their words). I want to get to the bottom of all this, as 6-years of hell and abuse is enough for anyone to have to endure. Wes Wolf  00:46, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

(talk page gnome) Have you tried with Advanced search? — PaleoNeonate — 01:10, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you ever so kindly, @PaleoNeonate:. I never knew about that tool before, and with your help there I've managed to find the scrutiny avoiding IP. I know who the user is now that has been targeting me, and yes dating all the way back to 2012. Now what do I do? Wes Wolf  01:35, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome! — PaleoNeonate — 01:58, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Wesley Wolf: If you believe you have sufficient evidence, alongside waiting for Neil to respond, you could also file an SPI to establish a record for potential future incidences. Amaury (talk | contribs) 01:39, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

@Amaury: I've kept notes of links, names, related-IPs, dates etc just in case. In a way, I am glad of the WP:AN that was lodged against myself, as the IP came out with some stuff that triggered personal memories - if that makes sense - of similar attacks. The fact the IP also stated they have an account but was commenting in IP-mode to avoid their account being blocked, is what triggered the memories. I understand that Neil has blocked the IP due to WP:SCRUTINY. But that slip up by the IP and the help from PN above has helped immensely to pinpoint the user and the back-trail of attacks. But it could also be grasping at straws, which is why I was thinking of a second set of eyes before I considered SPI. Wes Wolf  01:45, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

NotSeenHere conduct on the Maxime Bernier WP page

Hello, I have noticed that @NotSeenHere: seems to be engaging in disruptive behaviour in the Maxime Bernier article. This user's talk page is full of people asking him/her to stop it. Specifically, this user seems to be trying to interpret articles in POV ways, rather than simply using exactly what they said. Please provide assistance. @Peter Gulutzan: recommended that I contact you for assistance. Bell1985 (talk) 18:38, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

@Bell1985: Let me know if they continue reverting without discussing. I've already engaged them here. --NeilN 18:44, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Ok. The thing is, @NotSeenHere: asked me to move the NATO stuff to a different section, which is a reasonable request. So, I moved it to foreign policy. Now, this user is saying that NATO is not part of foreign policy. I'm not sure what to make of this. I've brought it up on the article talk page, but this user is not responding. Bell1985 (talk) 18:48, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

@Bell1985: Yes, I saw that. Any more "not responding" will probably result in a block. --NeilN 19:25, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

And now blocked for 72 hours. --NeilN 19:54, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

NeilN, FYI Bell1985 has been blocked as a sock puppet of a disruptive editor. (This is not meant to be any comment on NotSeenHere's editing, whose edits I have not examined at all.) Paul Erik 03:30, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

@Paul Erik: Grrreaaaat. A sockpuppet vs. an editor who won't communicate. --NeilN 04:27, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

My old discussion with Mz7

Hi,
I have been following this guy since a few days, he sure knows about gaming the system. I would advise to issue proper notices, to avoid talking, and to perform appropriate sanctions when/where possible. But again, you are way more experienced than I am, but still I felt i should drop in lol. I hope you dont mind about my advice. —usernamekiran(talk) 23:20, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran: Lots of problematic edits including at least one copyvio and a silly user page to boot. I foresee a trip to ANI in the future if they don't shape up. --NeilN 23:34, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

lol, the user has been to an ANI before. I am not sure what Glaskugel crystal ball is doing here, or what it represents. Would you please elaborate? —usernamekiran(talk) 23:43, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Pretty sure PaleoNeonate was commenting on my amazing ability to see into the future. --NeilN 23:46, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

lmao!
I didnt realise it was placed by PaleoNeonate, i thought it was you (didnt see at page history). You made my day Paleo (actually its almost 5:30am here, and I am about to sleep). See you guys around.
—usernamekiran(talk) 23:53, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Good nightday — PaleoNeonate — 23:55, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Reign of the Fallen AFD

It seems both of us created a deletion debate for this article. Could you please delete one of them? I doubt we need two of them that say basically the same thing. Sakuura Cartelet 01:17, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Advice

I'm contacting you because you're an administrator and a name I see regularly. I have been involved with two content disputes on Alternative for Germany, and a regular user (with whom you are regularly in contact) who has been on the losing side of both has threatened on my talk page that they will take me and several other involved users to ANI. The disputes were over the contents of a userbox, and the definition of the term German nationalism. In response to the second dispute, the user significantly altered the scope of the German nationalism article in the lede, which caused them to make the threats on my talk page. This user, and one other, has repeatedly made WP:BADFAITH accusations at those who have disagreed with them on the talk page, and I imagine that will be the basis of any ANI report. It simply cannot be that all of the people who have joined the discussion via RFCs are tendentious and bad faith editors (this user is currently a minority of one on the talk page).

Don't have many diffs for you at the moment (very busy), but if you have time please read this, this, and this. I recognise that my behaviour in the earlier part of this dispute wasn't very edifying, but I hope it shows that I have changed the way I engage with people on talks. The user in question appears either to not have understood our arguments, or has refused to engage with them .

I won't be able to defend myself, given my other commitments, until 13th June, if there is an ANI report. Is there anyway I can avoid being reported before 13th? If you think there might be a basis for an ANI complaint, I will agree not to make further changes until 13th June, when I will be able to defend myself. I hope you will be able to help. L.R. Wormwood (talk) 15:20, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Can I also request a self-ban? I don't want to be tempted to defend myself. I have offered to remove myself from both pages on the user's talk page if he leaves it until I am available. I think it would be unfair to proceed given that I have let him know I won't be able to give myself a fair hearing. L.R. Wormwood (talk) 15:29, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

@L.R. Wormwood: Are you sure you want to be blocked? I don't know if that will sway Jytdog into delaying an ANI report. Perhaps you can work out some voluntary editing restrictions? --NeilN 05:08, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Triple Talaq in India

Hi Neil, Triple Talaq in India needs your attention. Some heavy edit-warring by IP hoppers. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:27, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: Semied one week. --NeilN 02:27, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, thank you, and questions - Especially regarding page: Tareq Salahi

Hi, thanks for your continued involvement and help with this page.

I should be clear that I have no connection at all to the subject, only a desire for genuine encyclopedic content. I have tended to make corrections that I've seen as 'obvious' on any wikipedia page I've seen, and only upon stumbling onto the Salahi page have I become more involved due to the 'puffery' of it. Of course, I bow down to your superior knowledge of wikipedia style etc, and will respect and follow any decisions or advice you have for me. Thanks again for your help. Samshltn (talk) 13:58, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

@Samshltn: I've dealt with the IP but please read WP:BLP, especially WP:BLPSTYLE. Some of your edits go overboard highlighting negative information. --NeilN 14:57, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

@NeilN: Thanks for the honest feedback. I will take that on board. Thanks for the two articles to study as well. I will study those now. Thanks for all your help today, both with this specific article/IP and with my Misplaced Pages education. Samshltn (talk) 15:00, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Ilikerabbits! - 123.231.124.98

Thanks, — PaleoNeonate — 15:51, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

And I get to tend the rabbits!

Now at Talk:Birth_control#Catholic_Church_on_Contraception but has finally opened a discussion. Maybe slow learning but promising? — PaleoNeonate — 16:08, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

@PaleoNeonate: It's a miracle! Someone alert the Congregation for the Causes of Saints! --NeilN 14:10, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Although I'll let you do it, I must avoid holy water at all costs, lest I instantly vaporize. — PaleoNeonate — 16:38, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you

I am really freaked out by Cdg/etc doing that.

But for something that may be easier, I noticed Grand'mere Eugene undid something by this person (https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Democrat2016) but when I checked what they have done it looks like just repeated vandalism, they are inserting the names Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton into random articles along with changing sentences and adding weird capitalization. Is there a best place to report something like that to? Morty C-137 (talk) 16:50, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

@Morty C-137: I gave them a final warning. If they continue, please report to WP:AIV. --NeilN 17:21, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Requesting RevDel for edit summary

Could you please suppress the edit summary in this edit. I sent email to Stephen about this few hours ago, but they don't seem to be active right now. Politrukki (talk) 17:23, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

@Politrukki: Done. --NeilN 17:32, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Image copyrights?

Hi Neil, hope things are well for you this week! Do you know anything about image copyright rules? Are the non-free images here being used under legitimate free-use rationale? I don't have too much experience in this world, but my gut tells me that the envelope is being pushed too far. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:29, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Cyphoidbomb. They've been deleted by another admin. WP:NFCCP #8 is what needs to be considered: "Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." Because enforcement of that criteria seems completely arbitrary to me(*) I usually look at other similar articles to guide me. For example, List of Friday the 13th characters or List of The Librarian characters have no images. (*)I have never gotten a good explanation of how a CD cover or a book jacket cover "significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic". --NeilN 16:47, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, sir! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:55, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

National liberalism

You asked me if did anyone else break WP:3RR, I provied the information. So what know? I'm pretty upset about this situation. Because I was the only who was sanctioned and then called a troll. A response in my talk page would be nice. Rupert Loup (talk) 17:10, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

@Rupert loup: Consecutive edits count as one revert. The initial addition of new material is not a revert. --NeilN 18:08, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

What? They didn't add any new content! E.M.Gregory is not adding any new material, is reverting my edits. Here the only difference that Checco did is re-organize the content, then is a revert of my edit. He/she didn't add anything new. all are reverts of my edits. "An editor who repeatedly restores his or her preferred version is edit warring" WP:WAR. I'm losing my mind here. Rupert Loup (talk) 18:55, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

@Rupert loup: Show me four reverts within a 24 hour period by one editor. Not reverts that were self-reverted, not additions of new material, not consecutive edits that you are incorrectly counting as multiple reverts. As an example, here are six of yours: , , , , , --NeilN 20:06, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Since I start the AfD I been called inept, vandal and troll and they questioned my good faith, and I'm the only one who is under scrutiny. This is very humiliating. Rupert Loup (talk) 19:00, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

You were blocked because you reverted six times and did not self-revert when given the chance. I've told you this. --NeilN 20:06, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

It's ok, I'm going to focus in the current events. Trying to maintain the article in good shape through discussion. Thank you for take the time to answer me. Rupert Loup (talk) 20:59, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Watch this one today?

Preakness Stakes is today and we have another of those "change data in weird ways" vandals, possibly the same guy who was causing all the trouble on the horse racing articles this past year under several sock accounts -- this one kind of looks like a sleeper. Montanabw 21:25, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

RuPaul's Drag Race agin

Hi, Neil. I hate to be asking directly, but there's evidently a backup preventing timely attention at both Misplaced Pages:Requests for page protection#Various seasons of RuPaul's Drag Race and Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#141.126.187.36, and the edit-warring anon 141.126.187.36 is running rampant. He started up again almost immediately after the page protection you put in place April 20 ended. I know how busy admins are, and how many demands there are on your time. Given this anon IPs flagrant defiance of the page protection you had installed, I did think it was OK to let you know. Please forgive me if I'm mistaken and jumping protocol. With regards, Tenebrae (talk) 21:10, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

@Tenebrae: Oshwah got them I think. Haven't been around much in the past week - trying to get some projects done before vacation. --NeilN 14:03, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Tenebrae - The list of pages you requested protection on were all semi protected (with the exception of about 2 or 3 of them - either no recent activity or low disruption). Keep an eye out, and report any continued disruption to WP:AIV and we'll take care of them :-) ~Oshwah~ 14:08, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Question about user

NeilN, I have a concern about a user. AnneMorgan88, whom you blocked in April, has created another article for Northern Illinois, but created it under NIU Huskies wrestling, which is against consensus. After I saw this creation, I went to see if she had created any other articles for Northern Illinois at which she had not, but I did find this message. She is "refus to participate" in the consensus and is convinced that she is in the right. I'm afraid as she keeps going, she'll keep creating articles as "NIU Huskies xx" instead of "Northern Illinois Huskies xx", etc., leaving a mess for others to clean up. What do we do? Thanks, Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 09:24, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

This is not a big deal. When/if Misplaced Pages comes to its "consensual" senses (and starts using the correct term and article titles), the (correct) "NIU Huskies" versions of the pages will already be there when/if needed. You're welcome. Also, stop stalking me. AnneMorgan88 (talk) 13:25, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

@Corkythehornetfan: If AnneMorgan88 creates an article having a title against consensus once every two or three months just shake your head and move it (you can check for them here). If it happens more frequently or disruption ensues then we're looking at another block. --NeilN 13:58, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Appreciate it, Neil! Let's hope I just have to shake my head and move on. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 15:01, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Somebody's sock

Hi NeilN, per this, SkepticSalmon has been blocked multiple times with different accounts - is this enough to block them (their edits so far have been pretty disruptive as well) or should I file a SPI without knowing any of the other account names? It is of course possible that they are just trolling, in which case WP:NOTHERE. --bonadea contributions talk 18:28, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

@Bonadea: Blocked per WP:EVADE. --NeilN 18:55, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

FYI: Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Smokey2022. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 21:22, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Hyperion

My apologies, I didn't know that Hyperion belonged to you. Next time I will ask you before I correct a glaring mistake in an article in Misplaced Pages.--217.248.62.195 (talk) 00:00, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

It doesn't belong to me. I agreed with the problem you pointed out and removed someone's personal analysis. --NeilN 04:18, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

24.50.204.243

You blocked this user a few weeks ago. Seems to be at it again. Any input is appreciated.–Totie (talk) 15:12, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

@Totie: Blocked again. --NeilN 15:41, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

This one is probably another IP address of them.–Totie (talk) 18:31, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) NeilN is offline for the moment, so I gave this one a month's vacation. --MelanieN (talk) 18:42, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Custom did you know that you rock award

Custom you rock award The: did you know that you rock custom award. For all your support and patience. — PaleoNeonate — 03:24, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

This is an excellent, wonderful, glorious etc award that you've created PaleoNeonate! NeilN definitely deserves it. Cheers to you both. MarnetteD|Talk 19:15, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

User User_talk:Prototypehumanoid

Since you already warned User_talk:Prototypehumanoid wrt his edits on Calculus, I want to point you to the continuation (and next) of this shortly interrupted behaviour. I put a similar note on user_talk:meters. Purgy (talk) 07:54, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

@Purgy Purgatorio: Gave them a final warning (I cannot block myself because I reverted one of their edits). --NeilN 04:43, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

User:Shahrizal shahanshah

In regards to my 5 May concerns, this editor has returned to making unsourced articles using a sockpuppet. --Kansas Bear (talk) 03:58, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: I've blocked Shahrizal shahanshah indef as they continued on their merry way without acknowledging any concerns. Adamzariman last edited in January. I'm not sure enough they're a sock to block. --NeilN 04:34, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you sir. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:11, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Regarding Speedy Deletion of my article

Hi admin!

I had contributed an article on a company named EFC Ltd in Pune, India, that was tagged for speedy deletion and subsequently deleted. I understand that the article was deleted as it did not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant. I would like to apply to you for reinstating the article for the following reason:

Pune is an important city in India, with a large number of startups and large companies, requiring office space. EFC is the largest serviced office offering entity, larger even than Regus, in Pune. EFC is also expanding in other cities, including Mumbai.

I would appreciate if you would take the time to help me understand how I can be a better contributor.

Mnrahul (talk) 05:08, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Mnrahul. Did you read the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/EFC Ltd? --NeilN 04:19, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi admin! yes, I did read the archived discussion. I would like to know what I can do next. Mnrahul (talk) 06:59, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

please semi-protect ..

Hi NeilN: would you please semi-protect the article Madhesi people? You may remember that you fully protected this page in April. During the ensuing discussion on the talk page it was agreed to reference publications by scientists, mostly anthropologists. But in the last couple of days, these edits have repeatedly been reverted by anonymous users. Thank you. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 06:52, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

AIV vandal

Quick work on the AIV vandalism. I posted something at WP:ANI before seeing that you'd taken action - feel free to comment. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 05:47, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

@Drm310: I took action because of your ANI comment. Thanks for the heads up. --NeilN 05:50, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Mozhan Marno

Please clean up my addition to Mozhan Marno. 2008 film "Traitor" playing role of Layla. Thank you. Davmer64 (talk) 07:21, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Mlpearc (talk · contribs)

Saw your warning on my talk page, just wanted to say that Mlpearc (talk · contribs) is repeatedly undoing my edits on Eddie Van Halen without giving me any justifiable reason for doing so. I have given him my reasons for adding the important information that I added but he seems to be disinterested in this. Please resolve this problem as soon as possible. Thank You. Lord NnNn (talk) 14:53, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Let's keep this in one place (WP:ANI), please. --NeilN 15:26, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

References

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Eddie_Van_Halen&action=history

Jordan

Any updates on Jordan? --Makeandtoss (talk) 15:02, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

@Makeandtoss and Maile66: See here. I've been emailing with one Arbcom member but I have a feeling they're going to dump it into the community's lap. Let me sum up what I've communicated so far:

• Arbcom has exacerbated this issue as they've taken away admin discretion in this area.
• This was the most recent discussion. Nothing was done and the utterly meaningless "where that is not feasible" clause was kept. Since admins have no discretion in this area (can't semi-protect, can't decline, can't warn, can't block instead of ECPing) we are looking for guidance for what Arbcom considers "reasonably construed as being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict"
• Arbcom could make this whole thing go away by simply changing "feasible" to "optimal". "Reasonably construed" would be less important to define as admins can use their discretion to implement other solutions.
• I once again asked if Arbcom wanted to lead the "reasonably construed" discussion and gave these examples: Egypt, Jordan, Foreign policy of the United States, a BLP of an author who, along with other works, wrote a controversial book on the Arab-Israeli conflict ten years ago.

--NeilN 15:22, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

I am not knowledgeable with all these Wiki processes, so I am not sure what to say. I view the protection seriously problematic and would do anything to remove it. Any way I could offer help? Makeandtoss (talk) 16:50, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

@Makeandtoss: The problem is Arbcom has tied our hands. If Jordan can be reasonably construed as being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict then admins cannot decline a ECP request. An admin can do nothing (which is what I do when I feel ECP is - putting it politely - overkill) but another admin will likely come by and deal with the open request. Your only options are to argue that Jordan cannot be reasonably construed as being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict but that depends on the protecting admin's interpretation of "reasonably construed" agreeing with yours or you raising the matter at WP:AE. That's why we're looking at Arbcom to provide more guidance on the term. For the record, I'm probably more annoyed at admins being forced to used a sledgehammer in this area than you are. Arbcom should give admins the necessary tools to mitigate disruption; they shouldn't also dictate how disruption must be mitigated. --NeilN 17:35, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Not meaning to disrespect anyone, but the enforcing admin does not seem to be interested at all in solving the problem. He says he followed guidelines and would not revert as he does not want to appear weak. He was not impartial, and went as far as to challenge my argument, that Jordan cannot be broadly related to the conflict.

So basically now we are waiting for Arbcom? Makeandtoss (talk) 12:17, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

@Makeandtoss and Maile66: I'm working on a clarification request. Meanwhile, more ARBPIA2 stuff here: Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment#Clarification_request:_Palestine-Israel_articles.23General_1RR_restriction --NeilN 15:06, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Have you initiated the request yet?

Zidansa

Why'd they deleted H's Next Top Model everytime i create that page. Whats wrong? I have reference anyway:( — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zidansa (talk • contribs) 16:27, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

@Zidansa: Someone's two-follower private Instagram account is not a reference. We're not here to detail your personal school activities. --NeilN 16:42, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Sockmaster and his puppets

http://commons.wikimedia.org/User:Jan_Papież

Simon & Schuster regarding author Ken Jennings

Greetings NeilN,

I am trying to understand why Simon & Schuster's best selling children's book author, Ken Jennings and his conduct, is not relevant. He publically bullied and mocked an 11 year old on Twitter, offered no apology and instead made a veiled threat about killing. Ken Jennings has made many public appearance promoting his Simon & Schuster's book. I am a children's book author myself and if I did such horrible thing my publisher would dump me in an instant and make a very public declaration of distance. I believe Ken Jennings conduct and attitude towards children is very relevant given his specific children's book relationship.

Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miketucker 123 (talk • contribs) 16:24, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Read WP:COATRACK. And given your past edits, realize that you are on thin ice here, attempting to use Misplaced Pages for your advocacy. --NeilN 16:28, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

NeilN at the top of the page it says in big bold letters BE POLITE. I was and I am. Its my understanding that this applies to everyone on Wiki including admins. There is no reason to threaten me. I politely asked for your help and truly wanted to understand why it was deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miketucker 123 (talk • contribs) 22:45, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

@Miketucker 123: NeilN's comment was not impolite. It was straight forward and honest. -- Dane 22:51, 1 June 2017 (UTC)(talk page stalker)

The last time you asked a polite question I gave a polite answer and it ended up with you calling me a libtard, screwed up in the head, and a Nazi. The Simon & Schuster edit is in the same category as your prior edit and the admin who declined your first unblock request stated, "I wouldn't be surprised if the block is extended if your actions continue in the same vein." So you are on thin ice here. --NeilN 00:41, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Albita Rivera Ramírez

Grrrrlll, watchuu takin about? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:387:9:3:0:0:0:B5 (talk) 20:59, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

I've blocked your other account. Adding "cockatoo" to a person's name is not on. --NeilN 21:07, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

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am sorry but see no

am sorry but see no Misplaced Pages:Blocking_policy#Common rationales for blocks#Protection did or did i not "confront then calmly and in a friendly manner" see this section. lets look again of what he said "YOU can't promote YOUR ancap BS" i dont like anacap if anything id prefer something totaly diffrent, as for for my friendlyness "problem fixed! i hope you are happy user:Snooganssnoogans" per WP:GOODFAITH, now for how long will this charade go on before the user is blocked? Ukrainetz1 (talk) 14:51, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

I've already replied here --NeilN 14:52, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

not to provoke you or break wp:point, am allowed to do that on talkpages but ok i guess you cant block me either then?

don't ruin wikipedia just because you can't promote your nazi BS in talk, (i hate anacap, i assume most people hate hitler or stalin) Ukrainetz1 (talk) 14:56, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Ukrainetz1, if the editor is advocating Nazi ideology then telling them stop promoting their Nazi BS would not be seen as a personal attack. --NeilN 15:00, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Ukrainetz1, I see there were some posts and removals from this page. You did not intend "nazi BS" to be a hypothetical example? --NeilN 15:20, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

no i did not i olny made a point! of how telling people what their personal beliefs are without knowing them (it like telling somone your marxism-leninist beliefs are.. and i tell that person back well you know...) nazism IS the same as pol pot just without borders and self-genocide, the Braunau am Inn guy is not happy until everone that is non-germanic in the world does not well ehrm...you know what...this was this documentary i saw made by revisionists but i dont understand these people, if not for all evidence the ussr and usa goverment have in their archive how come theres so much hatred in the orginial regime books (especial the one written by Braunau am In guy), films, propoganda posters, am actually so lucky am having this conversiation with you because my family was almoust a victim to the worst totalitarian regimes they (no i do not belive in anarchism), my grandmother almoust got sent to the gulag for as a child for writting "i dont like" on pages (in a shool book in which EVERY single page containts the portrait of stalin), and my east ukranian father side family family got lucky for not be a victime for say In the second half of March 1943 after the Third Battle of Kharkov the Germans arrested and shot 2500 Soviet civilians from Kharkov. please dont call me such things, thank you Ukrainetz1 (talk) 15:42, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

@Ukrainetz1: There's a language barrier here. I still have no idea who made a reference to Nazis and you and where. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi has said basically the same thing. --NeilN 15:49, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

language barrier you say? hmm....meybe you have got a good point there! your comment on this talkpage

"if the editor is advocating Nazi ideology then telling them stop promoting their Nazi BS would not be seen as a personal attack" diff:

can you please explain that, you mean it was not the same as calling ukrainet1 a nazi? Ukrainetz1 (talk) 16:10, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

@Ukrainetz1: You said: "don't ruin wikipedia just because you can't promote your nazi BS in talk". Given the sentence before it, I thought you were using it as an example and asking me what editors can or cannot say. Restating my original reply, if an editor is adding justifications for Hitler's actions to articles, then telling them to "stop promoting their Nazi BS" would not be seen as a personal attack. To use another example, if an editor was adding how the moon landing was a hoax to Apollo 11 then telling them to "stop promoting their fake moon landing conspiracy BS" is not a personal attack. It is commenting on content. --NeilN 16:12, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Wow

GG, you got me good, can't make John Smith a Velociraptor without you getting me good, GG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheHelper27 (talk • contribs) 15:55, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

re: Panjabis

First of all, it was not me who did the drive-by tagging that you are now using to delete a clear and definitive claim. Pentapotamia is of greek origin, and while many of you continually try to argue that the Muslims and Hindus "thought of it first", some of the most definitive work on the area (i.e. work by Christian Lassen) suggests that Pentapotamia was indeed the term translated by the Persians into Punjabi. He clearly states the word is of Hindi and Persian origin, which he does not argue, but he also states that the structure of the word in comparison to much of the language used at the time was unusual. He therefore asserts that it is more likely this amalgamation termed 'Punjab' was originally derived from the term Pentapotamia, which he states has been named as such as early as Herodotus. It is not acceptable for editors like yourself to remove entire sentences when a claim is in need of citation for only one month. I've seen claims that have "cn" tags that have persisted much longer than a month. It is unacceptable that User:Utcursch, who is supposed to be an admin, is resorting to such speedy deletions when there are myriads of other unaddressed cn claims that are given much longer grace than this term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.10.52.83 (talk) 18:45, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

I haven't edited the article, I just warned you for edit warring. You've now broken WP:3RR by the way. You may want to self-revert. --NeilN 18:51, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

FYI: Talk:Punjabis#103.10.52.83.27s additions. utcursch | talk 18:55, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

@Utcursch: Well, the IP seems to have disappeared... --NeilN 07:21, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Neil

Hi Neil There are no citations for the the link below. If you can point to some valid link or if the information is verifiable through any means it would be welcome. https://en.wikipedia.org/Narendra_Modi The education needs citation which are not available. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pankajdoharey (talk • contribs) 06:50, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

@Pankajdoharey: I have no idea why you're not actually reading the article like you've been told to multiple times or why it took a final warning to get you to this point. --NeilN 06:55, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

@NeilN: It is under suspicion because the RTI (Right to Information) request have been rejected there are total of more than 14 RTI;s in this matter so there is no true source to determine there are sources in newspapers who themselves have not verified the information. http://www.jantakareporter.com/india/gujarat-university-rejects-rti-request-on-pm-modis-masters-degree/13645/

@NeilN:, Delhi University also rejected the same Request http://zeenews.india.com/news/delhi/du-rejects-rti-plea-seeking-info-on-pm-narendra-modis-ba-degree_1875998.html

@NeilN: Also I am sorry since I edit rarely I wasn't aware of the interface and didn't see your message, which eventually led to this point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pankajdoharey (talk • contribs) 07:07, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

@Pankajdoharey: If the degrees are disputed then you can add info about that to the article provided you have high quality sources saying that. However the degrees themselves have multiple citations, not "no citations". --NeilN 07:14, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

@NeilN: I Understand, thanks a lot.

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thanks for looking at the issue and giving a warning before blocking. Pankajdoharey (talk) 07:08, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi NeilN

Hello,

Volunteer Marek is up to his usual edit warring/white washing/cyber bullying here Misplaced Pages cancer tactics: https://en.wikipedia.org/George_Soros

I'd appreciate it if you could take 10secs and look at the material.

I added this line which is obviously relevant, in the correct section and properly sourced- In 2017, George Soros, spent at least $1.45 million to help Larry Krasner, win the Philadelphia Democratic DA primary. Resulting in Krasner dramatically outspending his opponents and subsequently going on to victory.

Volunteer Marek reverted it twice under the WP/UNDUE card which is Misplaced Pages cancer spreading nonsense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.251.239 (talk)

Given your talk page posts, I'll be giving you two warnings. First, do not attack other editors. Second, WP:BLP applies everywhere. Do not make unsubstantiated claims or engage in negative hyperbole about living people on talk pages. Your initial talk page post was rightly removed. The article content itself is a matter for legitimate discussion. It would help your case if you found non-local sources covering the matter. --NeilN 14:46, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Methinks that NOTHERE applies to this IP editor. More heat than light. -- BullRangifer (talk) 23:41, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

References

1. http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Soros-Krasner-and-the-trouble-with-throwing-good-money-after-good.html

Hi NeilN,

As an editor since May 2002 under various anon IPs for some reason I had it in my head that you were a NPOV editor. I see now in numerous places that is far from the truth. Not sure when or why that changed. But I will not be bullied, harassed or stalked by the left win cabal that chased off the 35% of active editors that left of which of course Volunteer Marek and Bullnonsense are card carrying members.

Silly me, sorry for wasting your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.251.239 (talk) 06:51, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

BTW any search engine for George Soros returns 99% controversial political responses. My edit is encyclopedic, well sourced-it is the Philadelphia Inquirer and not undue. I did not post anything unsubstantiated regarding the individual anywhere on the site. The response to it: immediate edit warring from Volunteer Marek followed up by an insulting editor claiming nothing to see here and the latest: threats from Bullnonsense and two warnings from you is embarrassing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.251.239 (talk) 07:00, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

You're on your last warning. BullRangifer, I've done enough non-vandalism reverts on the article to perhaps be considered WP:INVOLVED so I can't block. You'll have to find another admin or, if the name-calling/attacks continue, I will take it to WP:ANI. --NeilN 07:09, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the apology regarding your unfounded accusations of unsubstantiated claims and negative hyperbole. There is no disruptive editing either. Maybe if I used spinbot instead of left wing cabal it might ring some bells? The conduct towards me on this site in the last few days is an embarrassment to the site. It's almost back to the days of uniform contempt of IP editors. I merely edited George Soros including well sourced encyclopedic and was nothing but attacked for the efforts. As long as you are concerned about unsubstantiated claims and negative hyperbole- the whole Russian intererence page is 100% unsubstantiated claims and negative hyperbole-I must have missed your objections? and FTR you as well as I know, there is nothing that anyone could post regarding Volunteer Marek, Bullnonsense or any of the other spinbots that would result in them leaving the site like the 35% active editor exodus that has occurred the last 8yrs largely thanks to exactly the sort of behavior that took place here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.88.4.211 (talk) 07:36, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Oh heck, you're that editor. Your rants deserved to be ignored back then and I see nothing much has changed. And there was no apology on my part - no idea how you managed to come up with that. Do not make unsubstantiated claims or engage in negative hyperbole about living people on talk pages. , Finally, stop evading your block or else the current 72 hours placed by El C will be extended. --NeilN 07:58, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

110.36.182.76

Hi. Thank you for blocking 110.36.176.201. I think you may find 110.36.182.76 to be very similar.   — Jeff G. ツ (talk) 15:57, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

@Jeff G.: Blocked. Thanks for reporting. --NeilN 16:32, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Request

Can you semi-protect Jamelia, Lush Life (Zara Larsson song), and Outside (Calvin Harris song) to persistent long-term abuse of Wikidesctruction vandal. 183.171.180.122 (talk) 17:24, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

The first article was hit once. If it gets hit again, please let me know. The second and third articles are semied for two weeks and a month, respectively. --NeilN 17:30, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks for your quick action on that sockpuppet. It has been really freaky how they've targeted me lately. Morty C-137 (talk) 17:30, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

@Morty C-137: You're welcome. They've been pretty persistent. --NeilN 17:32, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Yeah. I am 99% sure that they found the UDC page and a couple other pages in the past by stalking my contributions list. If possible can you ask jpgordon to doublecheck them, the last time this sockpuppet maker was caught they were found to have at least 1 other that I didn't even know about to report. Morty C-137 (talk) 17:41, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

jpgordon already performed a CU so I assume he would have caught any sleepers. --NeilN 17:51, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

 Confirmed. --jpgordon 18:06, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

I hate to ask for more assistance, but Cjhard - who was a suspect in earlier sockpuppetry - has also been stalking my contributions and leaving nasty messages anywhere he can find a spot to do so. This is VERY similar to the sockpuppet's behavior. I'm not sure if they are just imitating it or what, but there has to be some recourse to get them to knock it off. Morty C-137 (talk) 04:46, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

@Morty C-137: Got diffs of the nasty messages? I looked at a few. They're pointed, but not uncivil. --NeilN 04:53, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

It's that they are hunting down my edits repeatedly, jumping in to attack me. Misplaced Pages:Harassment#Wikihounding, Wikihounding is the singling out of one or more editors, and joining discussions on multiple pages or topics they may edit or multiple debates where they contribute, to repeatedly confront or inhibit their work. This is with an apparent aim of creating irritation, annoyance or distress to the other editor. Wikihounding usually involves following the target from place to place on Misplaced Pages. Morty C-137 (talk) 04:54, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

I told them to stop it once, and they responded with a passive aggressive "Please move on, and happy editing". But now they followed me to yet another page tonight, and announced an intention to literally edit-war against me. Morty C-137 (talk) 04:57, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

@Morty C-137: All I'm seeing is United Daughters of the Confederacy. What other articles have they followed you to? They don't exactly have a long editing history. --NeilN 05:03, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

I am concerned because their pattern of editing was close enough to some of the other two sockpuppet groups (Cdg428 and Pepe.is.great/D.H.110/Heroin123/etc), including some of those sockpuppets leaving "warnings" about me on Cjhard's talk page, vanishing from editing when some of those sockpuppets were blocked, and reappearing from a long nonexistence with an edit summary saying (Undid revision 780904416 by Morty C-137 (talk) What? This page isn't yours to police.) in order to restore content that was being inserted by a sockpuppeter. They followed me to The Secret World, and have now followed me to United Daughters of the Confederacy and announced intent to edit war against me. I know we are supposed to assume good faith but it is really, really hard to assume that they are totally unrelated when they are similar in behavior both in editing, and in how they have seemed to be tracking and following my editing for purposes of making me frustrated or just trying to get me into a fight. It is also weird because long ago it looks like they say they often don't even log in before editing , which makes me wonder if some of the strange edits I have seen from IP addresses following recent pages like Bill Nye Saves the World could be somehow related. It is really freaking me out. Morty C-137 (talk) 05:10, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Someone just created a user account to make a revert and then Cjhard very quickly made a sockpuppet check request claiming it was me. I am getting afraid that Cjhard created it himself to further harass me. Morty C-137 (talk) 23:04, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

As MelanieN said, let's wait for the CU results. --NeilN 23:29, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Just FYI, I suspected the possible sock quite independently (although from a very different perspective from Morty's) - and was on my way to create an SPI page when I found there already was one. Also note, Morty is admin-shopping, having so far posted on the talk pages of you, me, and User:Berean Hunter. --MelanieN (talk) 23:37, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

(talk page gnome) Just adding a link for Morty C-137: WP:ADMINSHOP (this certainly is a common new editor practice; you now know)... —PaleoNeonate - 23:46, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello

Got your message, thanks. Did you want to talk to me? Chrisrus (talk) 06:12, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

@Chrisrus: Not unless you have a good reason for reopening a thread started by a serial sockmaster, containing editors sniping at each other and edit warring over a perceived BLP violation, all on an article talk page covered by discretionary sanctions. Leave it be. --NeilN 06:20, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Some links regarding closing/unclosing of discussions:

• May 2015 user talk (the "Topic shift" heading is not mine)
• May 2015 WP:AE

Johnuniq (talk) 07:57, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I do. Chrisrus (talk) 12:34, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

@Chrisrus: Which is? --NeilN 12:46, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Invalid grounds. Chrisrus (talk) 13:13, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

@Chrisrus: You can take my closure as a discretionary sanctions enforcement action and appeal at WP:AE if you wish. Or you can start a new thread, re-focused on whatever you think was of value in the collapsed thread. --NeilN 13:27, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions. Chrisrus (talk) 13:38, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Help!

An IP Sock 121.219.136.184 who owns three IP sockpuppets (96.48.254.221, 46.237.104.190, 191.205.214.6) is posting the same message again to another admin user, as he wants to block someone. -112.198.73.9 (talk) 08:18, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

More IP sockpuppets by 121.219.136.184 (like 121.214.41.156, 211.227.124.93, 73.94.24.81, etc.) are playing around and ruining my talk page as the same person is still trying to block me. -112.198.73.9 (talk) 09:47, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorely tempted...

...to say "a plague on both your houses" and to block all the IPs that have been rampaging about admin's talk pages and noticeboards, but I thought I'd better ask for a second opinion before doing something that extreme...by my count, they are at at least four admin's talk pages, SPI, and AIV. Vanamonde (talk) 10:24, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

@Vanamonde: It looks to me as if they're two people. One is using a VPN to hop and one is consistently using 112.198.73.9 but is indiscriminately adding socking tags. I've asked the latter to use SPI so we can get a handle on things. --NeilN 13:40, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Yeah, it's two people, but they seem to be fighting with each other and doing precious little else...let's see how this goes. Vanamonde (talk) 13:43, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Arbitration motion regarding discretionary sanctions

Resolved by motion at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment:

In the interest of clarity, the discretionary sanctions procedures described at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions are modified as follows:

• In the section Appeals by sanctioned editors: Appeals may be made only by the editor under sanction and only for a currently active sanction. Requests for modification of page restrictions may be made by any editor. The process has three possible stages...
• In the section Modifications by administrators: No administrator may modify or remove a sanction placed by another administrator without...

For the Arbitration Committee, Miniapolis 13:52, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Reply

Censorship is worth a block. Go ahead.--72.135.16.235 (talk) 00:40, 5 June 2017 (UTC)--72.135.16.235 (talk) 00:40, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Okay, done. --NeilN 00:42, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Street harassment

Hi NeilN, I'd appreciate more eyes on this, as a disruptive user is using several accounts to add, among other things, Emmett Till as an example. I don't know if you want to block the IPs or if there's been enough vandalism to lock the article, but this is putrid stuff. Thanks and cheers, 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 03:13, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

2606:a000:6284:e000::/64 blocked one week. --NeilN 03:20, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Best, 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 03:22, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

My talk page

Thanks for protecting it while I wasn't around. Fun fun. RickinBaltimore (talk) 12:30, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

150.129.103.8

TPA revoke? Adam9007 (talk) 18:31, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

@Adam9007: TPA revoked. --NeilN 18:34, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Continued trolling and harassment

Neil, the trolling and harassment has continued. After all of this, a random IP has continued to troll and harass here, almost 3 weeks after the dust had settled. This is now becoming a great concern of hounding and harassment being aimed directly at myself. Some sort of action needs to be taken to put an end to all of this. Wes Wolf  18:52, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

@Wesley Wolf: All we can do is WP:RBI. I've performed the first two. --NeilN 18:59, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Neil. It is getting too serious now, see this remark. It is causing distress and I am literally shaking now. Wes Wolf  19:13, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Blocked a /64 range. Will semi the talk page if socking continues. --NeilN 19:31, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Neil. They posted on my talk page too, but I've reverted it, and will keep in the edit history in case it is required as further evidence of hounding. I have an idea who the real user is (well I have 2 suspects) that is acting with scrutiny. I don't know why they act in this way and find some kick in targeting me in the vicious way that they are conducting. It is deeply distressing and making think more seriously about retiring from Misplaced Pages indefinitely - an action I don't want to take as I love it here so much. But if they continue they will have forced another editor to leave. Wes Wolf  19:35, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

I noticed the same "person" had trolled you earlier too. This is getting out of hand now. First they target me, and now they expand their list of targets. Here is my list of suspects. Wes Wolf  14:37, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Table modifying not working for me on visual editor

Help!!! Misplaced Pages becomes unresponsive after I click "Insert after" on a table on a page. 64.237.238.37 (talk) 14:16, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

You're better off asking about this at WP:VPT. Be sure to include the browser version you're using and the page you're editing. --NeilN 14:27, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Cjhard again

Cjhard has once again stalked my edits, Misplaced Pages:Harassment#Wikihounding me to a page he has never edited before and has no reason to be at. Exactly how much of this am I supposed to have to put up with, working hard to bring in sourced and well thought out edits and constantly having to worry that he's going to pop up without any intention of reasonable dialogue, just naysaying me to annoy me? Morty C-137 (talk) 23:07, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

@Morty C-137: I didn't say anything last time but you need to start giving links and diffs. Don't make editors hunt for what you're talking about. --NeilN 02:21, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Franzboas master account

Since you participated in the discussion about Dennis Brown's block of Franzboas, I'm pointing you to this, which presents some proposals for additional action. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:03, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Clean start

Can you comment on please? And what about if an user wants a clean start third time? 92.63.109.253 (talk) 12:47, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Replied here --NeilN 13:07, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

WP:TPG

I, understand the title is easier on the eyes this way, but the shortcuts break with this title. I figured this out by looking in the address bar and noticing that this shortcut: WP:REDACT points to "Own comments", not "Editing own comments". I realized the wording must have to be an exact match to the address bar for the shortcut to work. So, I changed it to match the address bar. It was ugly, but it worked. It was the same for the section on "Editing others' comments". The shortcuts point to "Others' comments" in the address bar. I tried to change the title on that section too, but it didn't work because that section uses anchors, which are too complicated for me, so I left that section alone. Almost all of the shortcuts are broken on that page. It was the only one I knew how to fix, and that was the only way I knew how to do it. Let's compromise. I need the shortcuts in that section to work and you want to have the title your way, so how about we leave the title the way you like it and you can fix the broken shortcuts for me since I don't know how else to do it. Is that Fair? Huggums537 (talk) 17:05, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

@Huggums537: Thanks for the detailed explanation - appreciate that. I've fixed the shortcuts. --NeilN 17:11, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't know how you did it, but thanks! It really does look better this way, and now that the links work, everybody wins! One of these days I will have enough experience to be able to fix these issues on my own, but at least I can still contribute by reporting problems while I'm learning. Huggums537 (talk) 17:36, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

@Huggums537: If you look at the link I gave it shows you what I changed. BTW, adding spaces to the beginning of paragraphs formats the text incorrectly. Use ":" to indent (if you edit this section you'll see what I mean). --NeilN 17:44, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I got it. I'll check out that link. I didn't notice it at first, so thanks for pointing it out. Huggums537 (talk) 18:18, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

I was wondering if you could help me with an editor who is starting to look like maybe harassing me. Things seemed somewhat amicable up to the point where they went and completely changed my edit for a 4th time with un-sourced false information. The games were not released on "Enter the Matrix" website and they were not developed in parallel to "Enter the Matrix". You can see the coversation on my talk page. (It's the only one there) and here is the most recent ] diff. Thanks. Huggums537 (talk) 20:35, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Disregard my previous request, as I was able to come to a peaceful resolution with the other editor without outside assistance. Thanks. Huggums537 (talk) 22:14, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

2 years of adminship, today

@Mz7: And Misplaced Pages is still standing! :-) Thanks. --NeilN 21:48, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Still standing and better off for your adminship N. Happy anniversary!! MarnetteD|Talk 22:09, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Yay, —PaleoNeonate - 03:20, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Congrats, Neil. Vanamonde (talk) 03:43, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

The IP you just blocked...

May need a rangeblock, this is the third similar looking IP to be doing the same thing (the random blanking) to two separate articles. This one started after the first one was semi-protected. Would that go under Sockpuppet Investigations? Gatemansgc (talk) 22:37, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

@Gatemansgc: When I blocked, I rangeblocked 2601:43:2:D75D:0:0:0:0/64. Please let me know if they hop to a different range. --NeilN 22:45, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll keep an eye out as I patrol RC. Gatemansgc (talk) 22:47, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

The Life of Pablo

Hey NeilN, just letting you know: I saw what happened on The Life of Pablo, and the two users' respective blocks. However, it appears after both were blocked, the IP 66.87.121.137 (talk · contribs) reverted Kellymoat's edits, and this IP was reverted by another user for "block evasion". If this is Cjhard, as I am inclined to believe, should that user's block not be extended due to block evasion? Ss112 16:00, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

@Ss112: Elmodivot (an editor with ~15 edits) needs to explain what proof they have for block evasion and why they warned for vandalism. --NeilN 16:06, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't know who that user is, but perhaps they should be investigated too. The IP is very suspicious though, especially to revert after an edit war has just taken place. Ss112 17:39, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

How could it not beElmodivot (talk) 20:53, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

@Elmodivot: Easily. Now, can you explain why after almost a year of inactivity, and fifteen total edits, you suddenly popped up to revert, make accusations of socking, and incorrectly make accusations of vandalism? --NeilN 23:36, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

User:NeilN could this please be investigated? This appears to be an attempt at a joe job. Given User:Elmodivot's editing style being similar to User:Kellymoat's, and that Elmodivot became inactive shortly before Kellymoat's account was created, I think it's reasonable to suspect that Elmodivot is Kellymoat's sockpuppet. Cjhard (talk) 13:41, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

@Cjhard: I would open a WP:SPI and ask for a CU. If you do that, let me know, and I will second the request. --NeilN 13:47, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi NeilN, I have opened an WP:SPI . Cjhard (talk) 14:36, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Nate Speed Ip's

Neil: thanks for your helpful blocks and other interventions. I'm assuming at this point that you are watching the same pages and I don't need to keep updating ANI with their further IP addresses, correct? Thanks again. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:28, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

@Eggishorn: I think I've now protected all the pages he's currently likely to go off on. However he's as persistent as he is foul-mouthed so reprotects may be necessary. --NeilN 19:39, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Great. Thanks again. I'll ping you if I see any similar activity elsewhere. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:42, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

103.14.116.26 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) on The Home Depot . Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:04, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

(Redacted) 103.14.116.25 (talk) 22:33, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Fresh one at Special:Contributions/103.14.116.24. EvergreenFir (talk) 22:40, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

I just saw them trying to vandalize/harass your talkpage here. Per this WHOIS page, do you think it would be possible to rangeblock 103.14.116.0/22 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)) for 1 month, or so...? 182.166.13.238 (talk) 22:43, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

I just blocked the 103.14.116.0/24 range. The /22 range is apparently already blocked, according to Special:Block/103.14.116.0/22. clpo13_(talk) 22:45, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Great, that range works, too! :-) Though, the /22 range is wider than the /24 one, so I'm not exactly sure why their more recent IPs were not caught by the /22 rangeblock but are now blocked through the /24. Weird... :-/ 182.166.13.238 (talk) 22:50, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

@Clpo13: Please block 188.126.71.76 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). 182.166.13.238 (talk) 22:52, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

That range, 188.126.64.0/19, has been blocked in the past as a webhost, so I've reblocked it. Might be time to start protecting pages, though. clpo13_(talk) 22:57, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of this, Clpo13. --NeilN 23:31, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome. It was some good range block practice. clpo13_(talk) 00:02, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

About that. I saw IP addresses today from this editor that locate to Pune, India, Hong Kong, Paris, France, and McAllister, Texas (and some I undoubtedly missed) Granted, IP Geolocation has a whole host of issues, but generally not as bad as getting the country wrong. Rangeblocks, as I understand them, are generally good for an IP that gets their service from one address assigner and not for some-one hopping from range to range as this one seemed to be doing earlier. Is this just a whack-a-mole situation with this person? Thanks for the help. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 00:41, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

@Eggishorn: We can block ranges from various open proxies but yes, it's largely a whack-a-mole situation. --NeilN 19:44, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

IP Socksssssss on Rabbit-proof fence

Page protect, mebbe? (yes, the extra esses are deliberate, it's a lotta sox.) Anmccaff (talk) 22:20, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Or simply stop violating core policies. Which is better for the encyclopaedia? 82.132.213.13 (talk) 22:45, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

False dichotomy, Sockie. Anmccaff (talk) 22:48, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Kuru got to it. --NeilN 23:29, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Potential WP:COI

User:Edawncoughman has edited the Edawn Coughman article, removing information, without giving a reason. This article has had this happen by users as well as IPs lately. Sometime last year, or early 2017, someone claiming to be Mr. Coughman edited the article to remove the information as well. I think something might need to be done, at least temporarily, about the article or user(s). It's the same edit, they just up and remove the entire section without giving a reason of any sort. CrashUnderride 06:04, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Crash Underride. Even though no reason was given, experienced editors should still look at the material being removed and see if it should be removed. In this case the answer is yes. It's unsourced material in a BLP and WP:BLPNAME also states, "...names of family members who are not also notable public figures must be removed from an article if they are not properly sourced." --NeilN 06:24, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

After seeing your edit, I realized I was in error. For some reason I had thought the information was contained in one of his profiles provided by a former team, however, I was mistaken. Thanks for clearing up the situation, the user has also been informed about what they need to do or what can happen to their account by another user as well. CrashUnderride 06:28, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

A query...

I posted this on BURob 13's talk.......But since you seem to be currently active........How do I redirect a series of pages with AWB, fully automatically?(That is make it replace the entire content of page with a pre-set #REDIRECT] ).I tried to use the find and replace function but was unable to solve my problem. Another option is the prepend but that does not blank the page!Thanks!Winged Blades 16:02, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Winged Blades of Godric. I don't use AWB. Have you asked at Misplaced Pages talk:AutoWikiBrowser? --NeilN 16:33, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Yeah!That should have been the first place to req. help.Anyway let's wait for Rob to post an reply.Winged Blades 16:38, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Cjhard, again

He's following me virtually everywhere.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Richard_J._Jensen#My_edit_summary_was_pretty_clear. Going after me the moment he arrives, he's never edited there before. Morty C-137 (talk) 18:09, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Editor Posting Hate Speech

If you could take a look at this link, this editor has been posting hate speech and bigoted information and vandalisng the Leonard Pitts Misplaced Pages article, could you please block this person or otherwise deal with them to stop this in the future, please see this link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Leonard_Pitts&diff=779638722&oldid=777752466

Thanks. Neptune's Trident (talk) 18:50, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

@Neptune's Trident: The IP is innocent; they were simply reverting back to the old version. This diff (and subsequent diffs near the two listed] would be better. Even then, it's not really vandalism; furthermore, quoting something is not posting hate speech. I'm going to invoke WP:AGF and say that all edits involved are of good faith, not vandalism.

With that said, the incident happened about a month ago, so no action could really be taken anyways. (talk page stalker) SkyWarrior 19:01, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

@SkyWarrior: I'm trying to figure out what prompted Dabean to make the "dindu nuffin'" change. What's the source of this supposed quote? I think Neptune's Trident is right to be concerned. --NeilN 19:39, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

That phrase is a new online bigoted slur that online trolls post it means "didn't do nothing", it is basically a way to post bigotry by not using old fashioned racial slurs and just using new ones that have been created for the internet, you can read more about it here:

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/revealed-accused-minneapolis-shooters-fascinated-with-guns-militia-groups-and-the-confederacy/

https://www.google.com/search?q=dindu+nuffin&oq=dindu+nuffin&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.2699j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Neptune's Trident (talk) 19:52, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Neptune's Trident, yes but how did that turn into a quote from Pitt? --NeilN 20:02, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Because one of the editors in this link changed the quote that was in the actual referenced article that was "cry me a river" and changed it to the other fake dindu nuffin quote, which, of course, Leonard Pitt never said, it was just an online troll posting hate speech in the form on a new online term not everyone knows about:

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Leonard_Pitts&diff=779638722&oldid=777752466

Neptune's Trident (talk) 20:07, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Editor Vandalizing And Blanking Misplaced Pages Pages

If you see this link you can see this editor is blanking and vandalizing Misplaced Pages pages, if you could possibly warn or block this user, thanks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/27.123.1.162

Neptune's Trident (talk) 03:02, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

@Neptune's Trident: Cluebot already warned the user. --NeilN 04:50, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! Neptune's Trident (talk) 04:52, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Reverts today by 86.155.33.235 on article Proposed Catalan independence referendum

Is this a currently blocked user deliberately circumventing his block by any chance??? Wikimucker (talk) 19:51, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

@Wikimucker: If you're thinking the IP is Impru20 (talk · contribs), I don't see any compelling evidence of that. --NeilN 19:58, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

None other and many thanks for your fast response.Wikimucker (talk) 20:08, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Some neutral eyes please?

Edit war on List of Lehi members over bolding names in a list. I've left the user a usertalk EW warning (immediately removed) but I don't want to exceed three reverts. I have attempted discussion on Talk:List of Lehi members, but the user appears to be stonewalling rather than discussing. If it's relevant, the user has been blocked 7 times in 4.5 years for edit-warring and battlegrounding . Would appreciate some neutral eyes if possible. Softlavender (talk) 08:20, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

And he just now told admin Zero0000 to fuck off: . -- Softlavender (talk) 13:43, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

AE again

Edit alerts

On ANI, you said that you'll "...be alerted whenever JohnWilkinson edits...'. Can I ask how? I assume this is more than manually checking his contributions on your own. Jauerback/_dude. 14:47, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

@Jauerback: User:Crazycomputers/WatchlistBot --NeilN 14:56, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

So much for that vacation, huh ↩️  ;) — O Fortuna 15:08, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

@Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi: I love playing with the rugrats but... thank god for nap times. --NeilN 15:11, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

One of those vacations you then need another one right after to help recover?! Know them... — O Fortuna 15:14, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks. (In my defense, he was answering questions on ANI so I will blame him for my question here; whether I'm right or not). Jauerback/_dude. 15:20, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

JB

Oh jeez, Slawomir is trying to include the Beck section again. (add) Sorry I saw you are on vacation. Subuey (talk) 17:39, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

@Subuey: Let's see if discretionary sanctions alerts will prod editors into following basic policy. Seems like a few of them, who should know better, need to take a step back. --NeilN 23:32, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

I am tired of pointless bickering, deflections, and non responses. I have just recently been mislead as to the actual words of a quote , and I think I'm done. Slawomir has passed the 3RR by the way. Subuey (talk) 21:14, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Disruptive editing

Hello! Please help in preventing edit wars in the page Who Are You: School 2015. Anonymous editors have been deleting information in the page's reception section (things they find unflattering as they are fans of the show) even though a reliable source was provided which explicitly states that the show did suffer from poor ratings. Thank you for your help! 36.8.61.234 (talk) 15:38, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

• • There is an army of users like the one above who are hell-bent on retaining only negative information, whereas the rest of us only want to maintain a neutral POV. See: . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A310:142:8680:9126:97FA:684D:8FC1 (talk) 15:55, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

I've semi-protected the article for three days so that the involved editors can discuss on the talk page and try to work it out. If not, then it gives admins more to go on the next time around.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 17:12, 18 June 2017 (UTC)