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	*'''Undelete''', do not appear to meet any of the speedy criteria listed above. --] <small>]</small> 13:26, 30 September 2006 (UTC)		*'''Undelete''', do not appear to meet any of the speedy criteria listed above. --] <small>]</small> 13:26, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
	*'''Keep deleted''' but '''Allow re-creation''' by TruthbringerToronto or anyone who wants to write real articles about them. Sometimes, in deletion debates about marginal topics, somebody says "''Yeah, well what if somebody used cut-and-paste to create dozens of stubs about every ?'' While usually nobody expects that to really happen, it seems this is an authentic case. Stubs of one sentenece or less are generally speediable under A1 anyway, and cut-and-paste shenanigans should not be encouraged. If they are notable and verifiable, create real articles about them using verifiable sources. Dozens of articles that just say ''x is a y'' make us all look bad. ] - <b><FONT COLOR="#FF0000">St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF5500">ar</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF8000">bli</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FFC000">nd</FONT></b> 16:56, 30 September 2006 (UTC)		*'''Keep deleted''' but '''Allow re-creation''' by TruthbringerToronto or anyone who wants to write real articles about them. Sometimes, in deletion debates about marginal topics, somebody says "''Yeah, well what if somebody used cut-and-paste to create dozens of stubs about every ?'' While usually nobody expects that to really happen, it seems this is an authentic case. Stubs of one sentenece or less are generally speediable under A1 anyway, and cut-and-paste shenanigans should not be encouraged. If they are notable and verifiable, create real articles about them using verifiable sources. Dozens of articles that just say ''x is a y'' make us all look bad. ] - <b><FONT COLOR="#FF0000">St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF5500">ar</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF8000">bli</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FFC000">nd</FONT></b> 16:56, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

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			This article was recreated by a vandal-only account with the charming name of ], which I believe is a reference to Alec Baldwin's character on "Delicious Dish" on SNL, a very funny skit, IMO. I found the text from the history of ]. Community consensus seems to support inclusion of sex moves without verifiability or sourcing, and a link to Urban Dictionary seems to suffice in most cases. These articles are usually a definition plus usage examples called "cultural references" or "pop culture references," and this is considered a sufficient article. The text I recovered on the Tony Danza is below:

			'''Variation: The Tony Danza'''
			The Tony Danza is a variation on donkey punching named for ], star of the 1980s sitcom ] During sex, a male would ask "Who's the boss?" (the partner may be expected to respond "you are," but it is not necessary to continue) as he proceeds to perform the donkey punch on his partner while exclaiming repeatedly, "No Bitch, Tony Danza's the boss!" It is important to note that not all donkey punches are Tony Danzas.
			The Danza Slap is a similar act where a male being ] by his partner and after asking, "who's the boss?" strikes her face with his penis, open hand, or fist.{{fact}}

			The article seems to have been created with a misogynistic bent, considering the deletion discussion at ], which may have prejudiced those considering it for deletion. As you can see above, it has a misogynistic bent, and this is the version written by Dick Schwety. ] was proposed for deletion by a now-banned user called Erik the Rude who has a history of prejudice against sex moves. I think sex moves are a vital part of youth culture, and Misplaced Pages is an invaluable tool in giving impartial information about them. Misplaced Pages is excellent as a sex education tool. I suggest and request that this article be undeleted. ] 20:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

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30 September 2006

TaskJuggler

I believe the deletion of the TaskJuggler article was a mistake. It is a widely used software. On UNIX/Linux it is _the_ MS Project equivalent. The project description language that was developed for the program is a major innovation to break out of the limitations that commonly used GANTT chart editors impose on their users. It is shipped with almost all major Linux distributions and has a Freshmeat popularity ranking of around 830. It has been covered multiple times by the international Linux press. Articles in English can be found at and . So, I kindly ask you to restore the article again. There is an equivalent articles in the German Misplaced Pages as well.

Albert Piddington (Australian politician)

There was a mass deletion of stub articles for Australian politicians, apparently because they were cookie-cutter stubs, which is not grounds for deletion. I believe that each of the politicians is or was an elected member of a state or national legislature, and hence would normally be considered notable, even if they are no longer in office. I am asking that the following articles be restored, together with any others that were deleted at the same time. Information on them ought to be available from the legislative body to which they belong or used to belong and from the Australian news media.

--TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 06:22, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Oppose undeletion. All of these people are undoubtedly notable, but all of these pages were worse than nothing. Someone mass created hundreds of nanostubs, which consisted of exactly the same page with only the names changed, which told people absolutely nothing they didn't already know. In many cases, it wasn't even clear which person was being referred to without further research. I retained numerous pages where someone had later added information as basic as what party they were from, or what years they were in office, or even what electorate they represented - information that actually helped us work out who the person was (any two of these three would suffice). Without this, however, they were worse than nothing, and I thus speedied them as "no context". I have no doubt that they'll return someday (chances are that I'll ultimately write them), but please don't reinstate this crap. Rebecca 06:35, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Keep deleted I agree with Rebecca, these article had basically no content, and provided no real context to actually be useful for later expansion. Since most of these people are presumably living (but who can tell since the articles contain no dates or other points of reference), these also create issues with BLP that are not acceptable given the hit and run nature of the stubs.--Peta 06:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Keep deleted -- agree. no content, other than the subjects name, and their role in parliament. Simply a reprhasing of the title with a one-liner tidbit. - Longhair\ 08:36, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Keep deleted. I agree with Rebecca, Peta and Longhair. These aren't articles or valid stubs. Stub guidelines recommend a minimum of 3-10 sentences for stubs, but these are just single sentences that, except for the name and house, are identical to each other. There's nothing stopping anyone from writing articles on these politicians, but we don't need 40-whatever near-identical single sentences to do that. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 12:19, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Keep deleted. TruthbringerToronto|:...they were cookie-cutter stubs, which is not grounds for deletion. Wrong. From the {{db-empty}} template: It is a very short article providing little or no context (CSD A1), contains no content whatsoever (CSD A3), consists only of links elsewhere (CSD A3) or a rephrasing of the title (CSD A3). Someone can write actual stubs which include actual information, but these ain't them. --Calton | Talk 12:24, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Undelete, do not appear to meet any of the speedy criteria listed above. --badlydrawnjeff talk 13:26, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Keep deleted but Allow re-creation by TruthbringerToronto or anyone who wants to write real articles about them. Sometimes, in deletion debates about marginal topics, somebody says "Yeah, well what if somebody used cut-and-paste to create dozens of stubs about every ? While usually nobody expects that to really happen, it seems this is an authentic case. Stubs of one sentenece or less are generally speediable under A1 anyway, and cut-and-paste shenanigans should not be encouraged. If they are notable and verifiable, create real articles about them using verifiable sources. Dozens of articles that just say x is a y make us all look bad. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 16:56, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

The Tony Danza sex move and The Tony Danza (sex move)

This article was recreated by a vandal-only account with the charming name of User:Dick Schwety, which I believe is a reference to Alec Baldwin's character on "Delicious Dish" on SNL, a very funny skit, IMO. I found the text from the history of Donkey punch. Community consensus seems to support inclusion of sex moves without verifiability or sourcing, and a link to Urban Dictionary seems to suffice in most cases. These articles are usually a definition plus usage examples called "cultural references" or "pop culture references," and this is considered a sufficient article. The text I recovered on the Tony Danza is below:

Variation: The Tony Danza The Tony Danza is a variation on donkey punching named for Tony Danza, star of the 1980s sitcom Who's the Boss? During sex, a male would ask "Who's the boss?" (the partner may be expected to respond "you are," but it is not necessary to continue) as he proceeds to perform the donkey punch on his partner while exclaiming repeatedly, "No Bitch, Tony Danza's the boss!" It is important to note that not all donkey punches are Tony Danzas. The Danza Slap is a similar act where a male being fellated by his partner and after asking, "who's the boss?" strikes her face with his penis, open hand, or fist.

The article seems to have been created with a misogynistic bent, considering the deletion discussion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/The Tony Danza sex move, which may have prejudiced those considering it for deletion. As you can see above, it has a misogynistic bent, and this is the version written by Dick Schwety. The Tony Danza (sex move) was proposed for deletion by a now-banned user called Erik the Rude who has a history of prejudice against sex moves. I think sex moves are a vital part of youth culture, and Misplaced Pages is an invaluable tool in giving impartial information about them. Misplaced Pages is excellent as a sex education tool. I suggest and request that this article be undeleted. Billy Blythe 20:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)