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Your Michael Carter article

Hello,

You have created an article about my great grandfather, Michael Carter - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Michael_Carter_(politician)

I have a photograph which can be added to the article but I couldn't see an option to do this as an editor. Is it something you are able to add?

Many thanks,

Badbillbuckleboots (talk) 18:15, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Badbillbuckleboots

A photo would be a great addition to the article.

You need to start by uploading the photo, at Misplaced Pages:File Upload Wizard.

I hope that the process is self-explanatory, but if you have any difficulties, pls let me know.

Best wishes, --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:20, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello,

I have no idea if this is the correct way to reply to you or not, I've been trying for a while now to see if there is a reply function but wikipedia seems pretty complicated.

I have not edited enough things for it to allow me to upload something and the alternate descriptions of how to upload a picture also seem rather complicated.

Sorry, I think I may struggle. Badbillbuckleboots (talk) 19:43, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi again Badbillbuckleboots

You replied just fine. There's nothing fancy about it; just edit the page and type.

Sorry, I wasn't aware that there was a restriction on new users uploading files. It only lasts for 4 days or until you have made 10 edits, so if you do just a little bit of other editing, it will let you do it by the end of the week.

Sorry it's not more immediate. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:02, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Hey. Oh well I'm glad I got the replying thing right anyway.

I've been an editor for a good few months now but I've only edited one thing in that whole time. I don't often spot mistakes so don't have any need to edit stuff. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Badbillbuckleboots (talk • contribs) 20:11, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@Badbillbuckleboots: you have already made 5 edits, so you're half way there. If you like, I can suggest a few easy edits to bring you over the 10-mark.

Then you can upload. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:42, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

5 edits? Wow - 4 of those must be me editing this comments thread! We could simply continue this discussion and I'd have enough edits in no time ;) Happy to hear alternate suggestions though — Preceding unsigned comment added by Badbillbuckleboots (talk • contribs) 20:44, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@Badbillbuckleboots: yes, it's not a high threshold. The point is just to make things harder for spambots.

OK, as may have noticed, I added an infobox to Michael Carter (politician), but I left blank two fields: date of death & party,

Fill in one of them, then save. Then the other, then save. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:54, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello again. Thanks for suggesting those edits. I have done those now =] Sorry it took me so long - had a busy week! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Badbillbuckleboots (talk • contribs) 21:34, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi again Badbillbuckleboots

That is good work, but you forgot to link the party. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:46, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Nah, I don't know how to do that. Misplaced Pages has to be the most confusing site I've ever used =

Ah go on, Badbillbuckleboots. You can do this.

The party is linked in the second sentence of the article. Just copy that markup over to the infobox. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:09, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Well it seems I've actually made enough edits now to upload a picture anyway but the copyright holder can't be contacted to release it as the photographer will be unknown and must have passed away now — Preceding unsigned comment added by Badbillbuckleboots (talk • contribs) 13:05, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

That is a pity :( --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:10, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help. I'm sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Badbillbuckleboots (talk • contribs) 13:14, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Newport Beach Tennis Club

I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Newport Beach Tennis Club have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:43, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

So you're saying if there is a category in the United States specifically California about tennis venues and the Newport Beach Tennis Club is a tennis venue in California, United States, that adding the tennis club to the category tennis venues in California while it also matches similar tennis venues in California wasn't being constructive. Gotcha. There is no need to change a category in the sandbox when the change matches the category exactly. The reason the category was developed was to list tennis venues in California, which it is.User:Spatms (talk) 13:05, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Spatms

1. When posted here, did you not see the big bolded editnotice? It says: To reply to a message I left on your talk page, then please post the reply on your talk page, and use {{ping}} to notify me. I'm sorry if that was unclear.
2. Take another look at the edit which I reverted: . See if you can spot the problem.

Best wishes, --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:28, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Categories of people by nationality or ethnicity

Good evening, I hope that with your long WP experience in general and with categories in particular you may be able to help. Do you happen to know if there's any guidelines or precedent to determine whether a people category is meant to contain people by nationality OR by ethnicity in case nationality and ethnicity largely but not fully coincide? I'm asking this question because of this short conversation on the talk page of User:HistoryofIran. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:25, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Marcocapelle

I have never before seen a nationality category made ethnically-exclusive, and the idea makes me shudder: it has nasty echoes of the 1990s Balkans or of 1930s Aryanism.

So in general it's not somewhere I would want to go.

But, it does remind me of the core fuzziness around our "nationality" categories. Effectively, we have conflated the concepts of nationality, citizenship and location into one bundle. I think that such fuzziness is unavoidable if we want to retain categories which are actually useful for navigation. Without it, we generate huge complexity and duplication of categories.

That situation gets even more complex when we go back before the modern systems of population registration and passports. I would be folly to try to impose our contemporary concepts too rigidly on earlier times.

So in the case you mention, I'd say that if the person concerned is of some ethnicity which distinguishes them from other people of that nationality, then deal with it by adding appropriate ethnicity categs rather than by removing nationality categs.

Hope that helps. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:05, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Subcats

Hi Brown Haired Girl, since you removed subcategories from several Pakistan-related bios earlier this month , I wanted to ask you if these categories could be added to pages or no? --Saqib (talk) 08:13, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Saqib

I think you misunderstand WP:SUBCAT. It's not about removing subcategories; it's about removing their parents. Please take a little time to read it.

In the case of Arbab Muhammad Zahir, the version after your edits no longer needed Category:Pakistani politicians, because it was in 3 subcategories of Category:Pakistani politicians: Category:Awami National Party politicians, Category:Pakistani MNAs 2008–13, Category:Pakistani MNAs 1993–96.

So I removed Category:Pakistani politicians.

Hope this helps. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:55, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Okay thank you. By the way this Category:Pakistani MNAs 1997–2002 is incorrect. The National Assembly was dissolved following the 1999 Pakistani coup d'état. --Saqib (talk) 08:57, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Saqib

Thanks for your pointer on the post-1997 assembly. I first created it as 1997–99, then spotted that the next election was in 2002, so I renamed it to 1997–2002. Then I started doing the homework I should have done at the outset.

The Parliamentary history page on the National Assembly website. It says that the Assembly elected in 1997 was suspended in 1999, but not formally dissolved until June 2001. So from that, it seems that the 1997–2002 title is definitely wrong (my bad) ... but that the correct title should be either "1997–2001" or "1997–99".

Which do you think is better? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:09, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

I want you to look at the this page. You can see 11th Assembly was from 1997 until 1999. I am aware that some members of the parliament were suspected following the coup but not not sure about the rest of members but based on this, I think they were. We have Category:Pakistani MNAs 1993–96 as an example. --Saqib (talk) 09:18, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks, Saqib. Since the NA itself lists the 11th as 1997–99, that's definitely what the name should be. So I moved it back to Category:Pakistani MNAs 1997–99.

Thanks or helping me get it right. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:29, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi again, Brown Haired Girl. i wonder if do we have any tool which can perform batch tasks like mass categorization? --Saqib (talk) 13:44, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Saqib, I am wary of using bots for automated mass categorization. Too much risk of errors.

However, I do often use WP:AWB for assisted cateorisation. For example that is how I recently did most of the work of populating the subcats of Category:Members of the House of Commons of Northern Ireland by party and Category:Members of Seanad Éireann by party.

In each case, AWB was a good tool because I could start with good quality lists. Without those lists, I'd be wary of using AWB.

What categories do you have in mind, and are there lists? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:57, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

OK, actually this Category:Members_of_the_National_Assembly_of_Pakistan contains some 405 bios whereas current members of the assembly are 340. Many bios on current members are not in this category while many bios on former members are which should be excluded. Is there any quick way to do that? --Saqib (talk) 15:01, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Saqib, why would you want to do that?

Why no just diffuse them all to the by-term categories, as is done with or example the European Parliament, the UK Parliament, the Oireachtas, or the Indian Parliaments? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:45, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Noted. so do we need to delete or redirect the Category:Members_of_the_National_Assembly_of_Pakistan ?--Saqib (talk) 16:57, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

@Saqib -- no, just keep it as a container for all the subcats (by term, speakers, etc), and tag it with {{Category diffuse}}.

See e.g. Category:Teachtaí Dála, Category:Members of the Northern Ireland Assembly, Category:Members of the Lok Sabha, Category:Members of the European Parliament, Category:Members of the Scottish Parliament, etc. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:09, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/1956 Arabization of the Jordanian Army command

BrownHairedGirl, just for future reference, the policy is not to move DYK nomination templates once they have been created, even if the underlying article moves. We adjust the template itself to reflect the move, but the nomination page stays where it is. Various bots read the template, and one moves it after it's been approved, and none of them can handle a template that's a redirect. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:58, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for that headsup, BlueMoonset. In hindsight it seems obvious, but I didn't think of that possibility at the time. I will try to remember this in future.

Meanwhile, it sounds like I messed things up for you, and made more work. Sorry! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:14, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

No problem, BrownHairedGirl. Happy to get it taken care of: the nomination's all set with the bots. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:27, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Could you please close a CFD for me

I opened one for the wrong category. Thanks....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 21:03, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

 Done Bencherlite 21:34, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

DYK for William Lyle

On 27 July 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article William Lyle, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 1944, Northern Ireland politician William Lyle denounced as "obnoxious" the views of minister Harry Midgley, whom Lyle hoped would become "more mature"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/William Lyle. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, William Lyle), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:03, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Nigerian polo players

IDUMU A MOHAMMED Nigerian polo players is +1. Add please Mohapolo (talk) 22:09, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

People who don't leave Edit summaries

What do you think ought to be done about them? Normally I revert them and leave a message on their Talk pages telling why. Is there a better way of handling this? Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 18:56, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

@BeenAroundAWhile: I'm not honestly sure. I too try leaving talk page notes, which sometimes help, and sometimes have no effect at all.

In general, I view it as a marker of how serious someone is about working collaboratively, which is what this place is supposed to be all about. That's why people who don't set out to communicate their work clearly often end up in trouble when there is a substantive problem. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

@BrownHairedGirl: BeenAroundAwhile asked you the above question - Is it okay to revert someone's change simply because they didn't leave an edit summary? - but did not give you the context.

BeenAround had got into another edit war just before being blocked earlier this month. A user had reworded the lead paragraph to Western United States. . BeenAround did not approve. After a series back-and-forth undo's and re-do's, , BeenAround gave his final reason for the deletion as: "Restoring a previous version because the editor misstated in his/her Edit summary what had taken place" .

If you look over some of the differences between the two versions, BeenAround engaged in this mini edit war because a user (1) changed the phrase "Though no consensus exists, even among experts, for the definition of the West..."' to "Though there is no single definition of the West as a region..." and the user (2) moved a citation and added "Later the Mississippi was seen as a delineation..." (and the citation supports his statement, saying that the Mississippi divides the US east to west and serves as a natural border).

This was worth a fight?!?!?!

The user was so frustrated with this experience that they left a wikibullying message on BeenAround's Talk page here saying that BeenAround should have "discussed any disagreements or changes".

Now, BeenAround has come to you and is asking if his behavior is acceptable -- Should he engage in this kind of behavior and revert someone's minor rewording because "they didn't leave an edit summary"?

Yours, Phatblackmama (talk) 20:19, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Category tagging

Thanks a lot for offering help on category tagging. As also mentioned in the discussion, the longer list of nominations (option B) can be found here. If you have further comments or questions, I'll probably see them tomorrow. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:36, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

• Just checking, are you indeed able to help me out by tagging these categories with AWB? Marcocapelle (talk) 20:35, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Sorry, @Marcocapelle, I got distracted. I'll get to it this evening. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:41, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
    • Hey BrownHairedGirl, do you have any further updates or recommendations on this issue? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
      • No need to worry about this any longer, all categories have been tagged. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:34, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

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Shahid Khaqan Abbasi

Hi BHG, could you please look at the categories added to subjected bio. Do you see over categorization? I am still trying to get familiar with WP:SUBCAT. --Saqib (talk) 07:32, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Editing guidelines/recommended reading

Hi, you recently popped in on a discussion about a category I helped create with some helpful editing guidelines links; and from that as well as other situations, I've realized that I don't really know the editing guidelines well enough at all to participate in this sort of discussion in an informed way—short of reading through all 42 of Category:Misplaced Pages editing guidelines are there any particular articles I should check out as a wikipedian? Or, better question—when I search, WP: articles never come up unless I search separately in google which is never very efficient, so is there any good way to quickly check for guidelines on a specific topic? Thanks! Mehmuffin (talk) 14:31, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

More category tagging

You might want to contribute to this and this CfD discussion. It may be helpful in particular to clarify why a proper formatting is very important, hopefully I can refer to your explanation in future cases. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Merge Proposal

Hi there!

Merger discussion for List of radio stations in Plateau State Nigeria

An article that you have been involved in editing—List of radio stations in Plateau State Nigeria —has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Robert G. (talk) 06:00, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Babywise wikipedia page

Brownhairgirl: I really am not good at how to use the Misplaced Pages system. But my book page on Misplaced Pages has been completely overrun by critics and does not represent the truth any longer. About 7 years some editor named Binksternet started writing false statements on my book's wikipedia page and then guarding any true statements that were accurately sourced. Binksternet has had a strangle hold on my book's wiki page for over 7 years now.

Can you help me in attaining a fair and neutral page based on properly sourced fact? I can show you where this Binksternet grabs misconceptions online, leaves out other critical content on same site, places his spin on the source, and then acts as though his opinion is fact. The largest LIE is in the first few paragraphs where he claims the AAP has warned against On Becoming Babywise. They have never warned or even said anything about Babywise. He is mis-quoting one rogue pediatrician from 1998 and leaves out the 4 licensed pediatricians who immediately wrote rebuttals in the same source. He is mis-leading the public and hurting the brand. Baby wise is the #1 best selling baby sleep guide on earth and #1 on Amazon.com in 9 categories. But the brand is being given a black eye from this rogue editor who slants the page completely on his criticism. My email is weber8993@aol.com. Would you mind emailing me and teaching me how to communicate the wiki way? I am not even sure how to respond to your message or even find your reply to my question if you make one. But I would like to learn how to communicate the wikipedia way so I can learn how to attain neutral and fair pages based on sourced fact and not personal slant or opinion. Thank you so much for reading my concern.23:24, 14 August 2017 (UTC)23:24, 14 August 2017 (UTC)Blakenathanweber (talk)