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Image copyright problems

I've listed Image:TuAF Peace Eagle.jpg and Image:Boeing737AEW&C.jpg for deletion as I believe the copyright status is correct. You added "The copyright holder allows anyone to use it for any purpose, provided that the image is used for the decent presentation of Boeing products." That does not seem to agree with the Boeing usage conditions. There already are similar images on the article. A fair use argument just to show Turkish Air Force markings could be challenged. Mark83 11:13, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Uploading exact replicas of images that have been listed for deletion is not very responsible (Image:737MESA.jpg and Image:737 AEW&C Peace Eagle.jpg. I've listed these for deletion too. Four fair use images for one subject is excessive. You also failed to provide a detailed fair use rationale as the tag requests. I would also argue that a fair use rationale along the lines of "to show Turkish Air Force markings" would be a weak one. Mark83 17:24, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

BTW, only Australia and Turkey are getting the Boeing Wedgetail.

South Korea didn't even decide yet, while Italy chose the E767 a long time ago.

You should've kept the images of Wedgetail (Australia) and Peace Eagle (Turkey).

Question about the Turkish Air Force

In the Turkish Air Force article, in the list of aircraft, it says 46 "F-5 2000 (under delivery)". It appears to mean these are new aircraft that are being delivered now. However, the F-5 Freedom Fighter article says that the aircraft has been out of production since the 1970's. Are these refurbished/upgraded aircraft from another country? --rogerd 21:33, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

They are old Turkish F-5s which are upgraded in Israel by IAI, with the avionics of F-16 (most of them are already delivered)

This way, Turkish Air Force aims to save flight time from the F-16D trainer aircraft (the ageing F-16C/Ds are currently receiving CCIP upgrade and being brought to Block 52+ level)

The F-5 2000s will be mostly used as trainers for F-16 fighter jets, but will still have combat capabilities (they may participate in combat missions)

Thanks for the update. --rogerd 22:24, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

My pleasure :)

Barbaros Hayreddin Paşa

Hey Shuppiluliuma,

I had to undo your changes of "Khair ad Din" --> "Hayreddin" becuase they were done unilaterally. Please note that the article is not at Barbaros Hayreddin Paşa, and we should therefore conform to the current title and have the spelling consistent throughout the article. You are more than welcome, however, to propose to move the page to a new title. Simply make a comment on the talk page (and later move the page yourself) or go to WP:RM. Cheers! —Khoikhoi 08:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Can you please do this for me? Because "Khair-ad-Din" sounds like a stranger.

It's like calling "Prince Charles" with the name "Prince Carlos".

Thank you very much. :)

Sure, but I'm not sure where we should move the page to. The current title is bad, but then most Misplaced Pages articles about Pashas do not use the Turkish spelling "Paşa" in the title. Do you know what his most common name is in English? Thanks. :-) —Khoikhoi 03:16, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Hayreddin is the most correct form and the name that's used in most English books (Hayrettin is the post-republican Turkish form, though Hayreddin is also correct in Turkish and is still widely used (like Mehmed and Mehmet, Ahmed and Ahmet, Murad and Murat, etc.)

Ok, so Barbarossa Hayreddin Pasha or Barbaros Hayreddin Pasha? —Khoikhoi 03:27, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

"Barbaros Hayreddin Paşa" (or Barbaros Hayrettin Paşa) in Turkey, "Barbarossa Hayreddin Pasha" in the world.

"Barbarossa Hayreddin Pasha" should be the correct English form.

Ok, I've now made a proposal here. —Khoikhoi 04:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much :)

But perhaps "Barbarossa" Hayreddin Pasha would be better, because that's the name with which the whole world knows him (and that's the way his name is written on history books worldwide)

Well, I checked that, and see the results:

6 results for "Barbarossa Hayreddin Pasha"

49 results for "Barbaros Hayreddin Pasha"

—Khoikhoi 04:34, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

That's obviously because of the Turkish web sites on the internet, and the Turkish users who make the research. Throughout Europe, including the history books written in English, he is known as "Barbarossa" (i.e. Redbeard) while "Barbaros" actually means "Barbarian" in ancient Greek language. :)

But either way, it's correct (Barbaros is the Turkicized form of Barbarossa)

Ok, I hope you're not annoyed by now—but I've changed my mind again! :p I noticed that both Britannica and Columbia Encyclopedias simply use "Barbarossa". However, since Barbarossa is a disambiguation page, I propose that we move the page to Barbarossa (Ottoman admiral). What do you say? —Khoikhoi 04:53, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Sounds perfect to me. It would be much easier to find him this way, instead of writing "Barbarossa+Khair-ad-Din" or "Barbarossa+Hayreddin" or "Barbarossa+Hayrettin", etc... Just "Barbarossa" is much easier to find. Thank you very much for your kind efforts by the way. :)

No problem. :-) BTW, here's a tip: sign your comments like this: ~~~~ or --~~~~

Kolay gelsin. —Khoikhoi 05:01, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Sağol... :))) Deseydin ya ben Türküm diye... Shuppiluliuma 05:07, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Bir şey değil! Remove the "nowikis" from your signature and then you're set. —Khoikhoi 05:06, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

OK :) Shuppiluliuma 05:07, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

wowturkey images

Hi, did you get permission from the photographer to state he "irrevocably released all rights" to the picture? Thanks, --A.Garnet 13:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes. I'm an administrator of http://www.wowturkey.com and one of the site's rules is that you "donate" your photos for the positive representation of Turkey (because we believe Turkey is not well presented on the net)

They are free to use without copyright, taken by amateur photographers.

The images must also be allowed for commercial purposes, has this been allowed? I only ask because a few months back all the wowturkey images were unfortunately removed from Misplaced Pages because its terms of use didnt allow for commercial use. I hope that we truly can use all wowturkey images here because there are some really stunning pictures there. Thanks, --A.Garnet 19:26, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Sure, Misplaced Pages is no problem. The primary principle of WowTurkey.Com is to "diffuse" decent images of Turkey. At the web site you can clearly read that the images are free for use, as long as they are used for "the positive representation of Turkey"; i.e. as long as you don't use these images to mock Turkey or the Turks.

Turkish Army

Hey, good work on the Turkish Army article!! On the other hand I noted that some of your edits might have been more appropriate for the Turkish Armed Forces article (for example comments about the Navy) since this article is only about the Army (Kara Kuvvetleri) and not the Turkish Armed Forces as a whole.. On the other hand your work is highly appreciated.. Kolay gelsin! Baristarim 00:11, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm only trying to do my best as a patriotic Turk. :) I corrected the grammar mistakes on some articles and added some information. Also check out the Ottoman Empire (photos and info), Turkish Navy (history and photos), Turkish Air Force (photos) and Istanbul (photos). Selamlar :)

u r doing good work :)) Thanks for the effort, we really need a hand around here, many articles about Turkey have problems, some of them because of grammar, style, prose etc.. I have been working on the medals of the Turkish Armed Forces, I created three articles, but the info on Genelkurmay website is not enough at all :)) We all do the best we can, at the moment we are trying to get Turkey article to Featured Article status, but it will be very hard since the article needs a lot of references and it needs a good trimming as well.. We should also get the WikiProject Turkey running again, it has been dead for ages.. Also try to get a user page up, that way people will see who u r more easily, and dont forget to sign your name by using the four ~, otherwise we have to look at the history page to see who wrote what :).. Anyways, if I can help u in any way I can, leave me a message :)) cheers!Baristarim 00:32, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

If you are interested, you can also write (or move what is written in the Turkish Army section) the history section of the Turkish Armed Forces I just created, it has been lacking one for ages! If you want I can move it myself but since you have been quite interested in this I thought I would notify you before going ahead.. regards Baristarim 01:09, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Formal welcome

Hello Shuppiluliuma! Welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions. If you decide that you need help, check out Misplaced Pages:Where to ask a question, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some recommended guidelines to facilitate your involvement. Happy Editing! —Khoikhoi 04:34, 7 October 2006 (UTC) Getting Started Misplaced Pages Tutorial How to edit a page The five pillars of Misplaced Pages Manual of Style Be bold in editing How to write a great article WikiProjects Getting your info out there Cite your sources Neutral Point of View Point of View Verifiability Uploading images Image use policy Getting more Misplaced Pages rules Policy Library Getting Help New contributors' help page Where to ask a question Help Desk Frequently Asked Questions Getting along Wikiquette Civility Sign your posts Wikipedians Conflict resolution Getting technical Cleaning up vandalism Pages needing attention Peer review Utilities Village pump

The images you upload

Hi, I appreciate your effort to upload images related to Turkish culture / heritage to Misplaced Pages, but unfortunately you're doing it wrong. All the recent images you provided for the Ataturk page lack a proper licensing tag and this will certainly cause problems in the near future and result in the article to look very bad (these will get deleted). And when you add an image, take the Image:Portrait of Ataturk.jpg as an example, it is not enough to say that it's a portrait of Ataturk, you should clearly provide at least the name of the painter and the year of the painting, since we are trying to build an encyclopedia here, not a personal hobby website. Not acting this way reduces the quality of the article using the images, and I do not want you to do this. This same thing also applies for your recent image caption reading "32 Kings and 62 Presidents". Who are these 32 kings and 62 presidents on a dinner table? You need the name of every single one of these, if you are going to use that caption, otherwise it looks like simple boasting that again reduces the quality of the article. I worked day and night to improve the textual content of the Ataturk article and put it to its current state (the last remanining part is the Legacy section), please try to keep up with the quality of the text. Another point is that for a good quality biography article, the photographs should follow the development of the character throughout his life, and you cannot simply put a photo of Ismet Inonu and Ataturk of the 1930s to the section "Early life". Also, putting a more than necessary number of images is another thing that reduces the quality of the article. I am now going to fix these issues and I hope you could show some trust to my decisions. Regards, Atilim Gunes Baydin 09:38, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Why don't you add the correct tags then? ;)

Be a good Kemalist ;)

You are doing a good job though with your devotion, keep it up, we gravely lack the time and effort to clean up a lot of articles, unfortunately. :( If I can be of help somewhere i will be happy to help out.. cheers!Baristarim 10:01, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

"Why don't you add the correct tags then?", because I can't! I do not know which highschool it is that Ataturk visited, I do not know who painted the portrait you put to the top, and when. And the worst thing is the dinner with "32 Kings and 62 Presidents". You should not upload these searching for Ataturk pictures on the internet and uploading them to Misplaced Pages like a machine. I again urge you to put a greater effort and do not upload an image and add it to the article unless you can provide at least the year and the proper name of the place. This is what I've been doing and there has been times that I spent five or six hours to find the correct year and place of one single picture, making sure that the information is correct. I believe what I ask of you is a legitimate thing, having myself re-written almost the entirety of the Ataturk article bringing it to the good shape it is in now. I spent countless nights working on the article, completing the biography and creating the reforms section. Please show some respect and trust to me. And I again want to point out that every single image of Ataturk you uploaded today lacks a proper licensing tag, and these will be deleted if you do not fix this issue. Regards, Atilim Gunes Baydin 10:19, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Atilim that you're uploading too many images (most of them unsourced and for me also unneccessary). Putting too many images reduces the quality of the articles. Please, try to improve the content of the articles first. Cheers! E104421 12:44, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Merhaba

Benimde elimde wowturkey sitesine ait çok güzel resimler var. Fakat ben bu siteye üye değilim mail yoluyla resimler elime ulaştı. 2006Hakan etiketli çok güzel boğaz manzaralı istanbul resimleri ve Fenerbahçe stadının resimleri mevcut. Bu resimleri mümkünse ekleyebilirmisin veya bu resimleri ben ekleyip sen onlara resim etiketlerini ekleyebilirmisin. Çünkü resimleri eklersem kime ait oldukları bilinmediği için silinebilirler. Cevabını bekliyorum teşekkürler. (Bu arada eklediğin resimler mükemmel)--Profesor 12:35, 8 October 2006 (UTC)