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01. Use the official White House portrait as the infobox image. (Dec 2016, Jan 2017, Oct 2017, March 2020) (temporarily suspended by #19 following copyright issues on the inauguration portrait, enforced when an official public-domain portrait was released on 31 October 2017)

02. Show birthplace as "Queens, New York City, U.S." in the infobox. (Nov 2016, Oct 2018, Feb 2021) "New York City" de-linked. (September 2020)

03. Omit reference to county-level election statistics. (Dec 2016)

05. Use Trump's annual net worth evaluation and matching ranking, from the Forbes list of billionaires, not from monthly or "live" estimates. (Oct 2016) In the lead section, just write: Forbes estimates his net worth to be billion. (July 2018, July 2018) Removed from the lead per #47.

06. Do not include allegations of sexual misconduct in the lead section. (June 2016, Feb 2018)

09. Include a link to Trump's Twitter account in the "External links" section. (Jan 2017) Include a link to an archive of Trump's Twitter account in the "External links" section. (Jan 2021)

12. The article title is Donald Trump, not Donald J. Trump. (RM Jan 2017, RM June 2019)

13. Auto-archival is set for discussions with no comments for 7 days. Manual archival is allowed for (1) closed discussions, 24 hours after the closure, provided the closure has not been challenged, and (2) "answered" edit requests, 24 hours after the "answer", provided there has been no follow-on discussion after the "answer". (Jan 2017) (amended with respect to manual archiving, to better reflect common practice at this article) (Nov 2019)

14. Omit mention of Trump's alleged bathmophobia/fear of slopes. (Feb 2017)

22. Do not call Trump a "liar" in Misplaced Pages's voice. Falsehoods he uttered can be mentioned, while being mindful of calling them "lies", which implies malicious intent. (RfC Aug 2017, upheld by RfC July 2024)

25. In citations, do not code the archive-related parameters for sources that are not dead. (Dec 2017, March 2018)

26. Do not include opinions by Michael Hayden and Michael Morell that Trump is a "useful fool manipulated by Moscow" or an "unwitting agent of the Russian Federation". (RfC April 2018)

27. State that Trump falsely claimed that Hillary Clinton started the Barack Obama birther rumors. (April 2018, June 2018)

28. Include, in the Wealth section, a sentence on Jonathan Greenberg's allegation that Trump deceived him in order to get on the Forbes 400 list. (June 2018, June 2018)

29. Include material about the Trump administration family separation policy in the article. (June 2018)

30. Supersedes #24. The lead includes: "Many of his comments and actions have been characterized as racially charged or racist." (RfC Sep 2018, Oct 2018, RfC May 2019)

31. Do not mention Trump's office space donation to Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/Push Coalition in 1999. (Nov 2018)

32. Omit from the lead the fact that Trump is the first sitting U.S. president to meet with a North Korean supreme leader. (RfC July 2018, Nov 2018)

33. Do not mention "birtherism" in the lead section. (RfC Nov 2018)

34. Refer to Ivana Zelníčková as a Czech model, with a link to Czechs (people), not Czechoslovakia (country). (Jan 2019)

37. Resolved: Content related to Trump's presidency should be limited to summary-level about things that are likely to have a lasting impact on his life and/or long-term presidential legacy. If something is borderline or debatable, the resolution does not apply. (June 2019)

38. Do not state in the lead that Trump is the wealthiest U.S. president ever. (RfC June 2019)

39. Supersedes #21 and #36. Do not include any paragraph regarding Trump's mental health or mental fitness for office. Do not bring up for discussion again until an announced formal diagnosis or WP:MEDRS-level sources are provided. This does not preclude bringing up for discussion whether to include media coverage relating to Trump's mental health and fitness. This does not prevent inclusion of content about temperamental fitness for office. (RfC Aug 2019, July 2021)

40. Include, when discussing Trump's exercise or the lack thereof: He has called golfing his "primary form of exercise", although he usually does not walk the course. He considers exercise a waste of energy, because he believes the body is "like a battery, with a finite amount of energy" which is depleted by exercise. (RfC Aug 2019)

41. Omit book authorship (or lack thereof) from the lead section. (RfC Nov 2019)

42. House and Senate outcomes of the impeachment process are separated by a full stop. For example: He was impeached by the House on December 18, 2019, for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. He was acquitted of both charges by the Senate on February 5, 2020. (Feb 2020)

43. The rules for edits to the lead are no different from those for edits below the lead. For edits that do not conflict with existing consensus: Prior consensus is NOT required. BOLD edits are allowed, subject to normal BRD process. The mere fact that an edit has not been discussed is not a valid reason to revert it. (March 2020)

44. The lead section should mention North Korea, focusing on Trump's meetings with Kim and some degree of clarification that they haven't produced clear results. (RfC May 2020)

46. Use the caption "Official portrait, 2017" for the infobox image. (Aug 2020, Jan 2021)

47. Do not mention Trump's net worth or Forbes ranking (or equivalents from other publications) in the lead, nor in the infobox. (Sep 2020)

48. Supersedes #45. Trump's reaction to the COVID-19 pandemic should be mentioned in the lead section. There is no consensus on specific wording, but the status quo is Trump reacted slowly to the COVID-19 pandemic; he minimized the threat, ignored or contradicted many recommendations from health officials, and promoted false information about unproven treatments and the availability of testing. (Oct 2020, RfC Aug 2020)

49. Supersedes #35. Include in lead: Trump has made many false and misleading statements during his campaigns and presidency, to a degree unprecedented in American politics. (Dec 2020)

50. Supersedes #17. The lead sentence is: Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is an American politician, media personality, and businessman who served as the 45th president of the United States from 2017 to 2021. (March 2021), amended (July 2021), inclusion of politician (RfC September 2021)

51. Include in the lead that many of Trump's comments and actions have been characterized as misogynistic. (Aug 2021 and Sep 2021)

52. Supersedes #23. The lead should contain a summary of Trump's actions on immigration, including the Muslim travel ban (cf. item 23), the wall, and the family separation policy. (September 2021)

53. The lead should mention that Trump promotes conspiracy theories. (RfC October 2021)

54. Include in the lead that, quote, Scholars and historians rank Trump as one of the worst presidents in U.S. history. (RfC October 2021) Amended after re-election: After his first term, scholars and historians ranked Trump as one of the worst presidents in American history. (November 2024)

55. Regarding Trump's comments on the 2017 far-right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, do not wiki-link "Trump's comments" in this manner. (RfC December 2021)

56. Retain the content that Trump never confronted Putin over its alleged bounties against American soldiers in Afghanistan but add context. Current wording can be altered or contextualized; no consensus was achieved on alternate wordings. (RfC November 2021) Trump's expressions of doubt regarding the Russian Bounties Program should be included in some capacity, though there there is no consensus on a specific way to characterize these expressed doubts. (RfC March 2022)

57. Do not mention in the lead Gallup polling that states Trump's the only president to never reach 50% approval rating. (RfC January 2022)

58. Use inline citations in the lead for the more contentious and controversial statements. Editors should further discuss which sentences would benefit from having inline citations. (RfC May 2022, discussion on what to cite May 2022)

59. Do not label or categorize Trump as a far-right politician. (RfC August 2022)

60. Insert the links described in the RfC January 2023.

61. When a thread is started with a general assertion that the article is biased for or against Trump (i.e., without a specific, policy-based suggestion for a change to the article), it is to be handled as follows:

1. Reply briefly with a link to Talk:Donald Trump/Response to claims of bias, optionally using its shortcut, WP:TRUMPRCB.
2. Close the thread using {{archive top}} and {{archive bottom}}, referring to this consensus item.
3. Wait at least 24 hours per current consensus #13.
4. Manually archive the thread.

This does not apply to posts that are clearly in bad faith, which are to be removed on sight. (May 2023)

62. The article's description of the five people who died during and subsequent to the January 6 Capitol attack should avoid a) mentioning the causes of death and b) an explicit mention of the Capitol Police Officer who died. (RfC July 2023)

63. Supersedes #18. The alma mater field of the infobox reads: "University of Pennsylvania (BS)". (September 2023)

64. Omit the {{Very long}} tag. (January 2024)

65. Mention the Abraham Accords in the article; no consensus was achieved on specific wordings. (RfC February 2024)

66. Omit {{infobox criminal}}. (RfC June 2024)

67. The "Health habits" section includes: "Trump says he has never drunk alcohol, smoked cigarettes, or used drugs. He sleeps about four or five hours a night." (February 2021)

I don't think Gorsuch belongs in the lead

It seems very odd to mention Gorsuch by name in the lead section. The President appoints scores of people, his cabinet to start with, and many other influential civil servants such as Directors of the FBI, the CIA and so on and so forth. No cabinet member, not even the most senior such as Rex Tillerson, and no other appointees either, are mentioned by name in the lead section. In the entire world the position of judge, even on the country's supreme court, would be seen as junior to the entire cabinet and 99% of the world would regard it as a routine appointment of a civil servant. I don't think Gorsuch is regarded as more influential in the US than other Trump appointees such as Tillerson and other cabinet members either. --Tataral (talk) 12:03, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree that it would be better to leave “Neil Gorsuch” out of the lead, but still say he successfully nominated a Supreme Court Justice. It’s a life position, and the Court now occupies a bigger role in American life than courts do in the vast majority of other countries (e.g. the people of Ireland legalized gay marriage by voting on it whereas it was done by judicial decision in the U.S.). But we needn’t name Gorsuch in the lead, because it’s too much detail, and anyway the whole reason they wear black robes is to symbolize that individual personalities aren’t supposed to matter. Anythingyouwant (talk) 17:02, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

The judgement of whether to include it should not be based upon the the role being bigger compared to other countries but the notability of Trump in appointing him. Emir of Misplaced Pages (talk) 17:13, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Agree. In an administration bereft of achievements, the appointment is quite important. Trump himself has touted it as being one of great accomplishments. You can see this CNN article where it is talked about as possibly greatest achievment till april, and nothing much has happened since. Galobtter (talk) 17:18, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

The nomination of Neil Gorsuch was a particularly controversial and widely-covered story, which has lasting impact on the balance of the US Supreme Court; this is why it belongs in the lead section. However we should certainly review the contents of this paragraph, which is meant to summarize the key issues of Trump's presidency so far. The one-off missile strike in Syria in response to a chemical attack did not develop into a bigger story, and should imho be removed. — JFG 18:39, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

"Lasting impact"? We don't know that yet, that's WP:CRYSTALBALLing. He has served for a couple of months, less than most of Trump's cabinet members who have far more power (e.g. Tillerson who directs US foreign policy and has some 70,000 people working directly for him, compared to the handful of assistants a judge gets), and hasn't done anything noteworthy. The appointment of a judge is not, in itself, an "achievement" any more than the appointment of his cabinet, or his other statutory duties. The fact that he would even see this as an "achievement" merely demonstrates his lack of actual achievements, but still, Gorsuch doesn't deserve to be the only appointee mentioned in the lead (among many who are far more influential and whose appointments were also widely discussed in RS). --Tataral (talk) 22:08, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

@Tataral: Please note that I did not call the Gorsuch appointment an "achievement", either in the article or in this discussion. We certainly cannot guess what his lasting impact will be, if any; however most sources reporting on this appointment did mention that it would surely have an impact, especially as the last Obama Supreme Court nominee had been filibusted by the GOP-controlled Senate, paving the way for a more conservative Justice. We go by sources… — JFG 22:59, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

• Support removal of Gorsuch from the lede. In a biography of Trump's entire life, the appointment isn't especially noteworthy. We do not mention the two justices appointed by Obama in the lede of Barack Obama. The noteworthy aspect of Gorsuch's appointment came prior to Trump's election, when Republicans employed extraordinary measures to prevent Obama from appointing Garland - nothing to do with Trump. -- Scjessey (talk) 13:31, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Just to clarify, the proposal above (at the start of this thread) is that we stop mentioning “Gorsuch by name” in the lead, and I support that. But I also support mentioning in the lead that he successfully nominated an (unnamed) Supreme Court Justice, for the reasons I already gave. Anythingyouwant (talk) 13:45, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

It is not a significant achievement in his life. It's fine in the body, but not in the lede. -- Scjessey (talk) 13:49, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

It is correct that the proposal was to remove just the name, not necessarily the fact that he had appointed a judge. If Trump really considers this appointment his life's work, I don't really care that much if we mention that he appointed a judge without naming him (although I personally would consider that silly, I don't find it worth the effort to oppose it). In that context the key issue appears to be the appointment of a judge in itself, not the specific person who was appointed. --Tataral (talk) 15:58, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose removing it, or removing Gorsuch's name (what does that accomplish?). Leave it in the lede, as is. This is his only major legislative accomplishment, and possibly the single most lasting effect of his presidency. It's an eight-word sentence, there's room for it. We manage to find room for 20 words about his travel ban, which is nowhere near as significant or long-lasting. --MelanieN (talk) 15:09, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Agree. Like I said above, RSes are talking about it being his most significant accomplishment. I don't really see a way to reword it either to save words while removing Gorsuch's name. Galobtter (talk) 15:17, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose removal. Personally, I don’t think appointing a justice is an accomplishment since a president is handed the opportunity and such appointments have an 80% approval rate. But, what I personally think is irrelevant. If RS say it’s an accomplishment, and there are so few accomplishments, it belongs in the lead. O3000 (talk) 15:38, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose removing Gorsuch from lede. Widely cited by RS as the only thing POTUS has given his backers in the first 9+ months of his presidency. And a significant number of his voters were driven by the single issue of court appointments. (As many editors here know.) SPECIFICO talk 18:09, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose removal. Given the power of the Supreme Court and how a single justice can be the difference in how a case is decided, appointing a Supreme Court Justice is one of the most important things that modern presidents do. Rreagan007 (talk) 05:05, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
• Support removal. This is a no-brainer. Supreme Court appointments aren't mentioned in the lead for neither Barack Obama, George W. Bush, nor Bill Clinton. Fixed245 (talk) 04:10, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

And the fact that Trump has accomplished little doesn't mean that we should elevate otherwise pedestrian accomplishments to the lead. It means that we should let his list of actions speak for themselves, without embellishment. Fixed245 (talk) 06:36, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

"asking Muslim leaders to drive out extremists" in the lead

How in the world is this important enough to be in the lead paragraph about his accomplishments? It's not an official policy, it was a statement made at one speech, and it almost never appears in any other lists of presidential action. It should be removed.

Also, his recent rise in conservative politics was driven largely by his role as the most prominent voice in the debunked Birther conspiracy theory. There should be a sentence on that, after "he long expressed interest in politics". Fixed245 (talk) 22:33, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree that asking Muslim leaders to drive out extremists should be removed from the lead. His views on birther should be in another discussion I think, so that we don't go off topic. Emir of Misplaced Pages (talk) 22:46, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Agree at least with the first issue. Also agree with separating the issues. O3000 (talk) 22:51, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

It looks like we have a consensus, so someone can make the edits (can't edit the page myself). Fixed245 (talk) 02:53, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

• Y'all have clear consensus for removal, and I just cut the offending phrase. Drmies (talk) 03:21, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

I also agree (on removing it and seperating the issues). If I remember correctly it was JFG who added it to replace previous wording about syrian airstrikes. Galobtter (talk) 03:38, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

New Wikilink redirect

Shouldn't the redirect in the lead for the Paris Agreement go to United States withdrawal from the Paris Agreement? I also suggest adding the 2017 United States–Saudi Arabia arms deal to the lead on foreign policy. It is a highly notable event in foreign policy, and just as notable as the partial undoing of the Cuban Thaw.

As I'm a new account, I can not change it. Anyone mind updating it, seems like a no brainer! DoDoDoDoDoDo (talk) 03:29, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

The first one doesn't make sense, as you'd expect the link for "Paris Agreement" to go to the Paris agreement article. The second one seems ok, but the body also may need to add that. Galobtter (talkó tuó mió) 08:53, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Least popular president ever

Why is this not brought up? AHC300 (talk) 12:32, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

It's there, look under Donald_Trump#Impeachment_efforts_and_polling. ValarianB (talk) 12:39, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Inclusion of Polling within Party

I disagree with this edit. It’s true that polling better among your own party is normal for a president, but it’s very abnormal for there to be such a huge disparity between the parties regarding an incumbent president. Anythingyouwant (talk) 15:17, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Agree with you. The sentence includes polling of both parties and says it is lowest among opposition party - hardly "Seems like this was added to blunt the "least popular" part". Galobtter (pingó mió) 15:24, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Oh please. The metric to measure presidential popularity for the lat 80-90 years is the presidential job approval rating, not a breakdown by party. The current president's approval rating is abysmal, as borne out by the sources, Newswweek, Time, among many others. This was a naked attempt to soften the freefall. ValarianB (talk) 15:34, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree that the way we have it now does convey free fall, whereas the reality is different within the President’s party, which is very unusual. Anythingyouwant (talk) 15:57, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Either way it is probably at this time not appropriate for the lead. Emir of Misplaced Pages (talk) 16:19, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Yeah I don't think anyone is disputing that. Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:31, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Shouldn't something about the sexual misconduct allegations be in the lead?

This seems to be the standard for everyone else post-Weinstein. It's not like the publicity or the detail isn't there. We could say, as the last sentence of the campaign paragraph, "rump has also been the subject of numerous sexual misconduct allegations, many of which arose during the campaign." Nick845 (talk) 07:41, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Ehh..unlike say for weinstein or spacey, there haven't been any long-term effects of it - I believe weinstein and spacey's careers are over while these allegations were treated as just part of the campaign. Galobtter (pingó mió) 08:40, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

I think due to the quantity of claims against Trump and the time span, it is worth putting in a sentence like "Trump has been alleged of various cases of sexual misconduct". Emir of Misplaced Pages (talk) 11:05, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Possible. Hmm regarding the wording - just had a thought - who exactly is doing the alleging in regards to the billy bush recording? But anyhow, something like "Allegations of sexual misconduct arose during the campaign" is less awkward, and the allegations are mostly during that time. Galobtter (pingó mió) 11:23, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

The Bush video is not an allegation but a fact; nobody has claimed it was fabricated; it just happens to be covered in an article titled "allegations" because that's preferable to any alternative. Similarly, just for the sake of brevity, we wouldn't worry about that little consideration if something were added to the lead. I don't have an opinion as to inclusion in the lead, yet. ―Mandruss ☎ 11:51, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Looking at the 140 edits to Charlie Rose in the last two days, one would think at least a sentence in this article’s lead would make sense. But as said above, the allegations against Trump and the Hollywood tape seem to have had no effect. I probably wouldn’t add it but wouldn’t argue against it. O3000 (talk) 12:29, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

There’s currently a court case involving Summer Zervos. If Pres. Trump is held liable in that case, it should probably go in the lead. There’s no rush to predict that verdict though. Anythingyouwant (talk) 13:11, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Well of course - but those allegations can still be significant. We're not predicting that verdict.. Galobtter (pingó mió) 13:40, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

They would be a heck of a lot more significant if he’s held liable, and until then there’s a presumption of innocence, so I’d treat it like opinion polling and a zillion other things by putting it later in the BLP. There’s not a looming election that requires people to make an imminent judgment about it. If we put accusations of non-consensual sex or sexual harassment into the Bill Clinton lead, I would still object to it here because there’s an ongoing court case here along with a presumption of innocence. Anythingyouwant (talk) 13:57, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Support adding to the lede. Has a huge about of coverage and cultural ramifications are huge.Casprings (talk) 16:39, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

• Strongly oppose adding this to the lede. The man is innocent until proven guilty.Zigzig20s (talk) 17:48, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Bwaaaahaaaahaaaahaaaa! I cannot believe you are pulling the "innocent until proven guilty" card after "LOCK HER UP!" That's funny on so many levels. -- Scjessey (talk) 18:04, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Does the lede of Hillary Clinton include the phrase "Lock her up"? No, it does not. So this is off topic.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:07, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Being convicted is not a prerequisite for inclusion in the lead. There aren't many readers who don't know what "allegations" means. ―Mandruss ☎ 18:12, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Well, allegations are gossip. Gossip is not encyclopedic. Anybody can be accused of anything anytime by anyone. I think that would be a BLP violation and should not appear in the lede. If he ever gets convicted or even admits it like Bill Clinton did, then sure. But I believe it sets a dangerous precedent if we add it to the lede--no matter how one feels about President Trump.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:28, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

"Allegation" is not the same as "gossip" -- Could you rephrase that with a bit more reasoning behind your opposition? I do think it would be helpful if one of those who favors inclusion could suggest specific text for us to consider. SPECIFICO talk 22:43, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose in lead this is not the same as Weinstein, et al. Those people admitted their wrongdoing. If we include it in the lead it will be in violation of our BLP policy and also against our policy of what is included in the lead. Sir Joseph 18:33, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose for the same reason others pointed out above. I made a similar comment regarding Woody Allen's lede, in both cases the allegations had little effect on their careers. This makes them different from the likes of Bob Packwood or Harvey Weinstein, whose careers were ended over allegations. Also, wasn't there an RfC about this during the election? The Billy Bush tape and misconduct allegations were in the lede but were removed.LM2000 (talk) 08:45, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose Per WP:UNDUE. The sexual misconduct allegations have not, as of yet, significantly affected Trump. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 21:29, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
• Include. As far as I remember this already was included in the lead and we had a clear consensus to include it. It has obviously been unilaterally removed without consensus, and should be put back in. There's no question at all that it's highly significant and noteworthy; there are no serious encyclopedic arguments against its inclusion. --Tataral (talk) 22:54, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
  • There is a encyclopedic argument against its inclusion: WP:UNDUE. It's simply not important enough to warrant. For heaven's sake, North Korea isn't even mentioned in the lede and that's far more important. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 23:51, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

But this article is his bio, not his Presidency. SPECIFICO talk 00:20, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Then it's even less relevant. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 01:30, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Wha? North Korea is an important national security matter that he's dealing with as president not in any personal capacity. Whatever credible allegations or evidence relate to his personal character or actions would go in this article about Trump the man. They may be relevant to his person and character without affecting his professional performance in any capacity. SPECIFICO talk 01:38, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

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