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Revision as of 05:05, 15 April 2003

Would it be good to have a list of administrators here? Jeronimo

Yup. -- Tarquin

At first blush, it sounds like a good idea to me. — Toby 09:27 Sep 20, 2002 (UTC)

You've been blushing a lot lately. ;) --mav

OK - Here is a list of every user. All that is needed is for somebody to search for "sysop" and write down the sysops user name here. --mav

I can do better than that! Run this query: SELECT CONCAT("*]") from user where user_rights != "" ORDER BY user_name and cut-n-paste. --Brion

Sorry about the inadvertent capitalization of your name, mav. --Ed Poor

No biggie on the capitalization thing but just be careful not to delete Toby's message next time. --mav

Actually, I noticed that when I did the Diff in History, and I was putting it back when we got an edit conflict. I was correcting the "m" as well as putting back his message, but you are faster on the draw than I am. --Ed Poor

Opps! Sorry about that. :) --mav

Hello. Something in one of Eloquence's messages to wikien-l has been confusing me. When he requested temporary sysop status in order to delete some pages, he added, "I've thought about making this possible for non-sysops by changing the code accordingly, but the security risk is too high." Changing the code? Doesn't that involve having "developer" status? He's not indicated as a developer on the Misplaced Pages:Administrators page, and I thought that the Misplaced Pages power hierarchy was a total order, so that all developers were sysops automatically. This is only idle curiosity, but since it is confusing me, I'd be grateful if someone could explain! -- Oliver PEREIRA 17:10 Jan 26, 2003 (UTC)

There are several different kinds of developer status:

• right to commit changes to our CVS server (I do have this right)
• right to directly access (via ssh) our server and alter the files stored there (I do not have this right since I have not asked for it; Brion, Ed, the Bomis folks and a couple of other people do).
• right to run read-only SQL queries using the Misplaced Pages interface; every sysop can do so, so I have this right while I have sysop status.

And no, developers are not automatically sysops. Jimbo has offered me permanent sysop status but I have declined (I prefer to be a non-sysop most of the time in order to better understand how the Misplaced Pages workflow can be optimized). --Eloquence 17:29 Jan 26, 2003 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the explanation! It seems that the power hierarchy is even more complicated than I thought. Ah well, never mind... -- Oliver PEREIRA 19:02 Jan 26, 2003 (UTC)

I just thought I'd better point out that Zoe seems to have been missed off the list. -- Oliver P. 21:23 Feb 19, 2003 (UTC)

She's on now. But what happened to Lee Daniel Crocker ?? His name didn't come up when I queried the user table. --Uncle Ed 21:39 Feb 19, 2003 (UTC)

I disabled his access while he was gone just so we didn't have an unused developer account potentially open to unnoticed cracking. Well actually, I meant to do that but forgot, and then accidentally didn't restore him when I mucked up the sysop accounts the other day. :) I'll put him back. --Brion 22:51 Feb 19, 2003 (UTC)

Could you please add a sv language link to Misplaced Pages:Administratörer? // Liftarn

Done Enchanter

Is there a good page around to show just what capabilities sysops have, and how to use them? For instance, I see that I can apparently block by IP address, but only (as far as I can see) from seeing them on Special:Recentchanges or Special:Watchlist. Not that I would imagine it likely I'd need to from the User page or a history page, but it'd be nice in general to have a HOWTO or something to see what all there is to it. -- John Owens 09:43 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)

What, what WHAT!!! User:Rambot is a sysop??!! Why in the world is a bot a sysop? One glitich in the bot's code and it deletes 100 articles a minute! And since it is a registered bot these edits would not show up on Recent Changes! --mav

Rambot is *not* a sysop. Presumably someone made this list by checking for "user_rights != ", without actually checking the contents thereof. Registered bot accounts are marked with "bot" in the user_rights field. --Brion 05:25 Apr 10, 2003 (UTC)

Whew! Thanks for the info. --mav

Rambot, we hardly knew ye. -- John Owens

Before your time I suppose. Rambot created 30,000 articles on US places and then went through several runs to add more info to each of them. --mav

I'd gotten the idea of what it is, and figured it was responsible for a lot of those geographical/census pages that crop up about 1/3 the time I hit Special:Randompage, especially after I looked at some histories. Did it have anything to do with the 1911 encyclopædia too, or was that all by hand? -- John Owens

Actually, looking at it again now, Rambot's last major contributions were in December 2002, and I started here in October that same year (or a bit earlier, anonymously), so not entirely before my time. -- John Owens

Does this page need to be protected? I hear that soft security works well these days... Martin

Please ask to reinstate the photo of John LeCarre. I will shortly be posting a list of her abuses on Misplaced Pages where she has used her so-called Administrator powers to put down, insult, and intimidate others. This is abuse and she should be removed from such an authority. In addition, she stalks people and formats things HER way. It might not be so bad if she could spell and had the ability to put together a complete sentence in the English language but she (or he?) cannot. I will post many, many examples. In the past few weeks I have put in more than 130 hours doing the "years in literature". And, if I may so say, it was a heck of a good and valued job. However, leave it to Zoe. She already started screwing it up. She drove User:Ron Davis away who, again in my opinion, was doing good work. Who is next? User:Black Widow.

User:Zoe is at it again. Now she has deleted the photo of Booker T. Washington. Her ability to discern matters here is evident. I don't know who posted the photo, but whoever did signed the ONLY legal requirement for posting a photo. Now, abusing Misplaced Pages Administrator powers, ZOE has illegally removed the photo this person placed. User:Black Widow Remember: Jesus loves the little children.

You've already been banned once, DW, and your actions of this evening will get you banned under this new name. I've already taken the entire issue to the mailing list. -- Zoe

BW, I wrote the image use policy (and for that matter, I wrote the software that enables you to upload images in the first place), but after I wrote it it was discussed, refined, and edited by the community at large to reflect the consensus of those of us who bear the responsibility of keeping this project focused on its goal. If you disagree with it or any other policy here, the appropriate place to discuss it is the talk page of the policy page itself. Until you do that, and the community accepts your arguments and changes the policy, it's reasonable for others to expect you to follow it, or at the very least give some compelling reason for violating it beyond a mere "I don't have to." LDC

TO: LDC - You mean to say that any Administrator (who Mr. Wales reminded is "no big deal") can arbitrarily decide to delete any photo because they want to? That hardly makes sense. And, you are saying that NO, the front page is wrong when it says you CAN EDIT RIGHT NOW. I shall communicate your dictum to Mr. Wales because that in fact defeats the purpose. While there certainly must be some control over undesirable, illegal, or offensive content, Misplaced Pages cannot claim to be open to anyone to edit if they must do it exactly and precisely a certain way. So that you don’t mislead users, perhaps you should change the Front page to read :YOU CAN EDIT RIGHT NOW BUT ONLY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF A SELECT FEW WHO WILL CANCEL OR DELETE YOUR WORK WITHOUT JUSTIFICATION. You may have written the software but I fail to see how that has anything to do with the LAW. The legal requirement in accordance with Federal law and the California Civil Code (and CCP) is automatically met by any user otherwise the photo cannot be posted. Do you have a law degree and know something I don’t or that the Misplaced Pages owner doesn’t. Because Mr. Wales has followed the law as required under the DMCA. I am not destructive, I am in fact the most respectful and one of the hardest working contributors here but your "system" creates cliques allowing certain individuals to play God. With all due respect LDC, your comment made no sense to me and provided no answer to the question of arbitrary decision making AFTER a user has obeyed your software commands and met all posted legal requirements. User:Black Widow.

You seem to miss the very nature of a wiki: anyone can edit anyone else's work for any reason at any time. There's nothing special about administrative status in that regard, and all your legal arguments are irrelevant. Just because you post something here legally, that's no reason it should stay posted here--anyone else is free to disagree and change it. You can also change anything they have written. Admins additionally can delete. The goal here is not just to produce any old legal content--the goal is to produce the best possible content--free content, that can be redistributed under the GFDL--that a collaboration of authors can produce. If you're not willing to collaborate and want your contributions to remain unchanged, then you should contribute somewhere else. LDC