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Indian Buddhist Movement

Umm... I'm an EX-Brahmin who converted to Theravada Buddhism... I edited Navayāna into the article because in Buddhism in India : Challenging Brahmanism and Caste by Gail Omvedt (This book is incredibly anti-Caste and is pro-Buddhist) I have read Neo-Buddhism being referred to as Navayana, which is is obviously a non-IAST transliteration of navayāna.

"Ambedkar's Buddhism seemingly differs from that of those who accepted by faith, who 'go for refuge' and accept the canon. This This much is clear from its basis: it does not accept in totality the scriptures of the Theravada, the the Mahayana, or the Vajrayana. The question that is then clearly put forth: is a fourth yana, a Navayana, a kind of modernistic Enlightenment version of the Dhamma really possible within the framework of Buddhism?" (8)

The book blatantly says that Ambedkar DESIGNED what has become known as navayāna. He did not found the Navayana publishing house. I edited in that there is a Navayana publishing house into the article so people would not confuse, navayāna, yāna, and Navayana, the publishing house.


I'm going to put the navayāna comment back into Indian Buddhist Movement. Please do not edit it out again. Navayāna is an accepted name of neo-Buddhism.

Peace, TheGreyAnomaly

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Nobody can brand Buddhist by any other name. We do not have such legal system in India. Gail Omvedt is one writer so her branding is not a LAW in India. As per the legal system and recognized religions in India we have only Buddhist, Muslims, Hindus, Jains, Christens as different religions in India. As I mentioned clearly the article discusses the present status of religious Buddhist Movement in India. It do not talks about Navayana OR Old Yana.

What is neo-Buddhism?? This is an absolute foolish concepts by anti-Buddhist people. You see the All India Buddhist Monk Association; it represents all Buddhists from Assam, Ladakh, Maharashtra or other parts of India. Where did you take your ordination as Buddhist? Just lying a religion for caste Brahmins and present SHUDRAs. Dhammafriend

The Dalai Lama is much closer to Praveen Togadia or Swami Ramdev than he is to B.R. Ambedkar and crew.`Bakaman Bakatalk
Dalai Lama is a strong supporter of Ambedkar's view and revival of Buddhism. INEB 2005 Conference in Nagour arranged by TBMSG and Friends Of Western Buddhist Order FWBO is a Great proof of that. Visit www.jambudvipa.org You will find how Dalai Lama is supporting the Indian Buddhist Movement. Hundreds of Tibetian Buddhist visit ChaityaBhoomi the holy place where Bodhisattva Dr. Ambedkar's last rituals as per Buddhist Religious Tradition were done Dhammafriend

Attacks, Racism, Hatemongering and general incivility

You have violated several wikipedia policies by making racist attacks against Hindus on Talk:Indian Buddhist Movement. I am warning you once and once alone. If you persist I will report you and file a request for arbitration against you and do whatever I must to get you permabanned from wikipedia. If you wish to make neutral and unbiased edits then please STOP what you are doing and remain civil and make SOURCED edits without taking a position on the article. Then, all will be well and we can contribute meaningfully to wikipedia. ThanksHkelkar 07:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Please come forward wht are the contents that you feel are controversial? We can have discussion. I would like to have contribution from Misplaced Pages Community for this. Especially I would like involve Wiki Administrators who are not Brahmin Varna Or Shudra Varna Hindu people. Because otherwise the discussion will be one sided and biased. Dhammafriend 09:53, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


Please do (not?) be so aggressive and threatening,; I agree that Dhammafriend can make quite POV edits, but please be civil, Hkelkar.
I'm sorry if I seemed that way, but Dhammafriend made unacceptable comments on talk page of Talk:Indian Buddhist Movement that demand certain users stop editing (violating WP:OWN and making religious/sectarian attacks on editors he has disputed with, violating WP:NPA).Hkelkar 22:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Dhammafriend, making really controversial edits on Misplaced Pages will almost always get your work reverted. It would be really appreciated though if you added useful information on articles and stubs instead of annoying many users and getting your edits reverted. Thanks. Mar de Sin 22:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


This is your final warning. Do not characterize the motivations and religiosity of other editors on wikipedia. It is a personal attack and, what's more, an ethnic slur.If you persist in these types of attacks you will be reported the next time. Please focus on constructive and SOURCED edits per WP:NPOV and WP:Reliable Sources. Also read Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not, specifically the soapbox and battleground parts.
You are giving Warnings like you think that you are the Owner of wikipedia. Come for discussions and don't write anything as anti-Hindu? The Buddhist Movement in India is spreading a lot and people should know through Misplaced Pages the current updates. Dhammafriend 09:53, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Misplaced Pages has a policy against personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be blocked from editing by administrators or banned by the arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you.

This is regarding this diff on my talk page here.

Hkelkar 22:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Whatever I have written on your page should come for open discussion. You are reverting the articles and branding us as anti-Hindu Or anti-Brahmin without any reason. I have made very clear that about Indian Buddhist Movement the present developments are posted on the article. For your kind information in India people are converting from Hinduism to Buddhism along with 22 vows. Can you please eloborate your views? I have given full explanation in my views. Before you brand somebody as anti-Hindu, Can you define how who a Hindu is? Just Brahmins Varna and non-Brahmin Shudra Varna people are figthing with each otherDhammafriend 09:47, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Plz goto talk page for discussion regarding your edits.Hkelkar 16:11, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Civility

Hi; We all must be careful what we say, especially about religion. It is very easy to be misunderstood, and to offend without meaning to. The best rule is to talk about content, not about the other person. It is often better to say, "This part may confuse the reader because...", instead of "You don't know what you are talking about because..." It is better not to talk at all about another user's religion. Best wishes, Tom Harrison 19:47, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

You have been uncivil

Buddhist do not have caste neither they believe any former caste like Brahmin,Bhangi ,Scheduled Caste, OBC caste etc. So don't claim false things. I have Buddhist friends in America who can certainly verify your identity. So if want to discuss you can also meet our Buddhist friends in America so don't try to fool wikipedia community. Who gave you ordination as Buddhist? Do you know the process to become a Buddhist? Dhammafriend 10:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I stopped being a Hindu six years ago. I then experimented with Jainism for a year or two afterwards then gave that up. In August of 2004. There are no required conversion rituals to Buddhism. Converting to Buddhism. One could take part in a ceremony but it is not necessary. I believe caste was the creation of Brahmins of the 6th century BCE and that caste is nonsense. Most of the Indian Buddhists of yesteryear were Brahmins and they recognized they were former Brahminism. Navayana, the type of Buddhism, does exist. Plenty of Ambedkarite scholars except it. I am going to report you.

Thegreyanomaly Friday, 2006-09-22 T 22:36 UTC

Can u explain why u branded me as uncivil? U are lier. If u r Buddhist then u could have come for open debate instead of branding me as UnCivil. Can u explain ? We do understand anti-Buddhist people very well. Come to India in Nagopur this October 2006 and see how millions of people from Casteiest Hinduism are converted to BUDDHISM. Dhammafriend


Dont be a hidden attacked againge Buddhist in India. i have mentioned very clearly Buddhist dont have any caste and they will never say that I am former Brahmin Or Former Bhangi etc . all are equal. Buddhist movement in India is an anti Caste movement. Based on Equality and Fraternity. So dont pollute Buddhism with your caste biased. Dhammafriend

Blocked

I have temporarily blocked you from editing for disruptive incivility and personal attacks at Talk:Indian Buddhist Movement. Please take it as a mini-vacation, and when you return comment on content, not other people. Tom Harrison 12:45, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case

You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Dhammafriend for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. Hkelkar 21:02, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Hkelkar I have asked you to come for open and healthy debate. Why are you branding me as Sockpuppetry? If you are in USA, Europe Or Germany I'll arrange meeting for discussion on Buddhist Movement in India. So don't be a hidden attacker. If other users are writing anything on Hinduism you should not relate me with them. Dhammafriend 21:01, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Reply

I suggest you look at dispute resolution and follow the procedure listed there. Tom Harrison 21:34, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Reply

You have made a vaid request for the first time. Give me a few days and I will study the scripture.Hkelkar 02:11, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Indian Buddhist Movement

I have tried to discuss civilly with you but you have responded with personal attacks, racist slander and various other insulting comments. Until you stop and discuss sensibly I cannot converse with you.See WP:SNOW.Hkelkar 16:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Stoip the insults or I will report you

Don't bring my Jewishness into this. regardless of my faith I have every right to question trollish edits and various form of POV pushing in any article. Shalom Aleikhem.Hkelkar 16:38, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Characterizing my faith in order to judge my edits is a violation of WP:NPA. Comment on content, not contributor. When you mistakenly tought I was a Hindu, you engaged in anti-Hindu racist attacks that would put most neo-Nazis to shame.Please stop this. Plus, stop making ridiculous claims that you can't source.Hkelkar 16:44, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Until you treat people (Hindus or anyone) with respect and courtesy my "charges" still stand. If you have to make anti-Hindu accusations then at least have the decency to source them.Hkelkar 16
45, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


I never though that you are a 'Hindu'. This is an absolute false explanation. Because deciding somebody as Hindu is certainly a very very difficult task. We can sometimes find Brahmin Varnas OR Shudra Varnas people as per the Veda and other religious law books known as DharmaShastras. So I don't know who is Hindu ! I never call anybody as Hindu and I don't have any right to brand anybody as Hindu! You again insulting me as anti-HinduDhammafriend 16:53, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


My Insult as 'Racist'

User Hkelkar has insulted me as 'racist'. I demand explanation from him. Till he is not giving explanation I request all administrators and so-called administrators to block him. Dhammafriend 16:57, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Characterizing people's caste as Brahmin or Shudra is another violation of WP:NPA, again, it is a comment on contributor, not content so is blatantly racist.Hkelkar 17:08, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Don't mix Caste with Varnas. I am not caracterizing anybody's caste. These two are separate issues. Brahmin OR Shudra is a social and religious classification or identification as well as please read Varnas on same Misplaced Pages. This you can find in Veda and DharmaShastras it means you want to say all those people who believe in these scripture or follow these scrtiptures are 'racist'?? This is not too much Mr. Hkelkar. Please give some acceptable and logical solution before calling somebody as 'rasict' and read Racism. Racism and Casteism are two social separate issues of discriminataion. Don't mix them. We are an anti-caste people and I always proud that we belive in Equality, Liberty and Fraternity. I am a Buddhist working for Indian Buddhit Movement and we are against Castiesm and against Racism! For your kind information I am an Indian as well as my colur black. That is why I asked you to come and meet anywhere to clear any misconceptions. Don't you think calling a non-White person like me as 'Racist' is too much 'Hypocricy'. Dhammafriend 17:23, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Oh, so non-whites can't be racists? Ridiculous (and, in on itself, a racist claim)! Look at Louis Farrakhan (a black racist) as an example. There are many Arabs who are racist, as well as many Indians (the more kooky elements of the Hindu Nationalist movements). There are also racists among my fellow Jews. Racists come in all shapes, sized and colours.Plus, the term "Racism" (in the modern world) is generally used to mean any ethnocentric attack. regardless of whether the ethnic division is racial, religious or social. Whether you attack users by Caste, Jati, Biradari or Varna, they are all patently racist attacks.Hkelkar 17:28, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Ok. You want to say that Veda, DharmaShastra all are racist religious books? All who follow and believe these religious books are racist? But at least I don't follow Veda DharmaShastra or any other 'racist' sects. So don't call me racist! I think at least now your issue has been sorted out. Dhammafriend 17:47, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Your views are based on your racist interpretation of the Vedas and the Shastras. They have nothing to do with the normative meanings of the texts. Your assertions are no different from the anti-Semites who have made similar allegations against the Jewish Talmud.It is nothing more than Quote mining scripture in order to tout a defamatory agenda.Hkelkar 17:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


Desist your claims of there only being two varnas in Hinduism

“ 8. From a Brahmana a with the daughter of a Vaisya is born (a son) called an Ambashtha, with the daughter of a sudra a Nishada, who is also called Parasava.

9. From a Kshatriya and the daughter of a Sudra springs a being, called Ugra, resembling both a Kshatriya and a Sudra, ferocious in his manners, and delighting in cruelty.

10. Children of a Brahmana by (women of) the three (lower) castes, of a Kshatriya by (wives of) the two (lower) castes, and of a Vaisya by (a wife of) the one caste (below him) are all six called base-born (apasada).

11. From a Kshatriya by the daughter of a Brahmana is born (a son called) according to his caste (gati) a Suta; from a Vaisya by females of the royal and the Brahmana (castes) spring a Magadha and a Vaideha.

12. From a Sudra are born an Ayogava, a Kshatriya, and a Kandala, the lowest of men, by Vaisya, Kshatriya, and Brahmana) females, (sons who owe their origin to) a confusion of the castes.

13. As an Ambashtha and an Ugra, (begotten) in the direct order on (women) one degree lower (than their husbands) are declared (to be), even so are a Kshatriya and a Vaidehaka, though they were born in the inverse order of the castes (from mothers one degree higher than the fathers).

14. Those sons of the twice-born, begotten on wives of the next lower castes, who have been enumerated in due order, they call by the name Anantaras (belonging to the next lower caste), on account of the blemish (inherent) in their mothers.

15. A Brahmana begets on the daughter of an Ugra an Avrita, on the daughter of an Ambashtha an Abhira, but on a female of the Ayogava (caste) a Dhigvana.

16. From a Sudra spring in the inverse order (by females of the higher castes) three base-born (sons, apasada), an Ayogava, a Kshatriya, and a Kandala, the lowest of men;

17. From a Vaisya are born in the inverse order of the castes a Magadha and a Vaideha, but from a Kshatriya a Suta only; these are three other base-born ones (apasada).

18. The son of a Nishada by a Sudra female becomes a Pukkasa by caste (gati), but the son of a Sudra by a Nishada female is declared to be a Kukkutaka.

19. Moreover, the son of by Kshattri by an Ugra female is called an Svapaka; but one begotten by a Vaidehaka on an Ambashtha female is named a Vena.

20. Those (sons) whom the twice born beget on wives of equal caste, but who, not fulfilling their sacred duties, are excluded from the Savitri, one must designate by the appellation Vratyas.

21. But from a Vratyas (of the) Brahmana (caste) spring the wicked Bhriggakantaka, the Avantya, the Vatadhana, the Pushpadha, and the Saikha.

22. From a Vratya (of the) Kshatriya (caste), the Ghalla, the Malla, the Likkhivi, the Nata, the Karana, the Khasa, and the Dravida.

23. From a Vratya (of the) Vaisya (caste) are born a Sud-hanvan, an Akarya, a Karusha, a Viganman, a Maitra, and a Satvata.

24. By adultery (committed by persons) of (different) castes, by marriages with women who ought not to be married, and by the neglect of the duties and occupations (prescribed) to each, are produced (sons who owe their origin) to confusion the castes.

25. I will (now) fully enumerate those (sons) of mixed origin, who are born of Anulomas and of Pratilomas, and (thus) are mutually connected.

26. The Suta, the Vaidehaka, the Kandala, that lowest of mortals, the Magadha, he of the Kshattri caste (gati), and the Ayogava,

45. All those tribes in this world, which are excluded from (the community of) those born from the mouth, the arms, the thighs, and the feet (of Brahman), are called Dasyu, whether they speak the language of the Mlekkhas (barbarians) or that of the Aryans.

Manusmriti 10

”

]. Hinduism has many varna. Not two

And also, Kali Yuga does have the same varna ]]

Thegreyanomaly 23:57, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Why are you worried about Hindu ? u r a Thervada Buddhist so concentrate for positive inputs to Buddhist article Dhammafriend 18:59, 22 October 2006 (UTC)