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Chaldean is a synonym of Chardu,Kardu called also 'the Georgian' for the role in agriculture.This has been one of the first kingdoms in the world.The ancient capital was Calkhu,in gushum(cuneiform inscriptions of the 3rd millenium BCE the country is called Kardunia,also Qi Engur-the country of the Engurs i.e. Mengrelians.This people lived from the Zagros mountains in the East to the Mediterranean and beyond in the Nile basin,in the Iberian peninsula,in the Balkans.They are ancestors to modern-day Kardu-Kartueli nation of the Republic of Sakartuelo and ajacent areas,the Cordoba-Escualdes of the Iberian peninsula,the Cortus of the Cortu Island(Corsica)etc.Their first writing is Gushum(cuneiform),and their several alphabets are known for various purposes.They are indigeneous first population wherever they live in the aforementioned areas and have retained common features,appearence,character,traditional songs,danses etc.user:samqharo@posta.ge 11 Aug o5
- you are looking for the Khaldi article. This page should allow simple disambiguation between (1) Chaldean Christians, (2) Chaldeans=Assyrians/Babylonians in Hellenism, and (3) the Caucasian Chaldeans (Khaldi). dab (ᛏ) 14:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
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there are three main meanings, (1) ancient Babylonian; (2) modern "Chaldeans/Assyrians" (properly, Neo-Arameans); (3) Khaldi. Disambigation should be by these three main meanings, with sublists for derived terms (languages etc.) dab (ᛏ) 08:54, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
It says that modern Chaldeans are ethnically Assyrians, could someone explain this madness to me when the Chaldean civilisation has lasted more than 5000 years since the 3rd millenium bc and the assyrian civilisation much less. As all my sources inform me, I belevie it was the Chaldean army who defeated the Assyrians at the year of 626BC and burned down their capital Nineveh with ease and in doing so, enforced them to relocate their capital and people, and team up with the Egyptians while the Chaldeans were taking over and settling down in today's northern Iraq. If anything, modern assyrians should be ethnically Chaldeans because there is no history of any major assyrian event after the war at Characamish, while on the other hand, the Chaldeans retaliated the power of Persia several times and even served Alexander the Great in Babylon where he died.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Asm cc (talk • contribs)
- you need to say what you mean by "Chaldean civilization". I just said that the term is equivalent to "Babylonian". Your distinction of "ethnic Assyrians" vs. "ethnic Babylonians" is pointless. dab (ᛏ) 11:50, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi my name is Jakov and im a Catholic. The Chaldeans it seems, have existed for many years, however recently poepl are calling them ethnic Assyrians. Is this right can this be proven, and whi is to say that the Chaldens dont exist anymore!!. It was the Chaldeans with the Medes (partially) that destroyed Ninveh!!! But assyrians are considered to still exist. No logic there huh!!!!! The assyrians wrwe forced to go!!!. Not Chaldeans.
THE MILJAKINATOR 22:38, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
- I just can't stop laughing :D Chaldean 23:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I appologise for the misunderstanding, what i was refuting was the first statement in the article where it says Chaldeans are ethnically Assyrians, what you have written about Chaldeans in the discussion is all good. ... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Asm cc (talk • contribs) 06:58, 26 October 2006.
I dont see what is so funny Chaldean, if you beleive you are so superior why dont you answer my questions, How are today's Chaldeas ethnically Assyrians when the Assyrians were the ones who had to relocate because they lost Nineveh to the Chaldeans and in doing so, left the land for the Chaldeans to settle into, shouldnt it be that today;s Assyrians of iraqi origin be ethnically Chaldeans —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Asm cc (talk • contribs) 07:04, 26 October 2006 .
Chaldeans are not Ethnically Assyrians
Chaldeans are not ethnically Assyrians as thought by many. People have misunderstood about the Nestorian Church and it's people and belevie that all of members of the Nestorian Church was of Assyrian origin and it's here where many are wrong. The Nestorian Church consisted of the majority of all the Christians in the middle East and Turkey because they were promised protection from the Persian Empire because both the Nestorians and Persians were threatned by the Byzantite Empire which disallowed the practice of the Nestorian faith of Christianity. When the Nestorian Church split apart, there were two rival leaders, Mar Shimun XIII Denha, the leader of the Assyrian Church which was located in Dyiarbakir (today's Turkey, where the Assyrians escaped after the defeat by the Chaldeans, when they were forced to relocate), and Yohanan Soulaqa VII was elected as a Patriach in Alqosh, the leader of the Chaldean Catholic Church (today's northern Iraq, around 300km away from Babylon, well inside the area which Chaldeans conquered and settled in).
There is no 100% guarantee that all of today's Chaldean are of Chaldean origin and the same with Assyrians due to the many war which made so many people relocate, and even when the Chaldeans conquered the Assyrians, there may have been a couple of thousand left hiding in the land of today's northern Iraq.
To conclude with, Most Iraqi Assyrians are Ethnically Chaldeans or must have been of either greek, persian or arab descandent because every single of their towns were heavily demolished and destroyed and the survivors had no choice but to escape to the neighbouring countries. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.184.131.93 (talk • contribs)10:17, 26 October 2006 .
The Chaldean church and the Chaldean Language is completely different from that of the Assyrian people. Is there any proof in the pudding to prove the views of the Assyrian people who state that Chaldeans are ethnically Assyrians. The fact is this, if the Chaldeans deterioted the Assyrian people, and burnt down the city of Nineveh causing the Assyrians to flee, how could it be that they exist more then the Chaldeans? It is about time that the Assyrian people stop denying their history and past, accept they got defeated and furthermore do not re-instate that Chaldeans are Assyrians. If the Chaldean and Assyrian people were one people why is it that the Assyrian People don't wish to be called Chaldeans, Why is that the Chaldean people don't wish to be called Assyrians? It just goes to show that they are completely different people, with a different race and religion. I dont see how the two link. Please do not laught as this issue please dont, as this is a very serious issue which needs to be resolved so that the truth is out for the people to know, so that the historical fact and sources are shown and to show that the cracks appear through the bias Assyrian opinion in our world today.
Chaldean_Warrior 17:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
≈ You are a shame to the chaldean name asm cc and the person above me ≈
The chaldeans back then were cowards and we chaldeans of today are ehtnically Assyrians, the chaldeans back then were cowards because the only point in time where they could take on the assyrians was when the assyrians had no king and when the chaldeans had a cowardly allegiance with the Medes. And even then when they did take Nineveh it would be Embarassing of the Chaldeans to assume that they did the job, if you go to the british museum, the remains are EVIDENCE OF BARBARIC AND UNCIVILIZED WAY OF taking over a capital, by burning it down. I would like to thank the miljakinator for his comments or should i say FACTS about your allegiance with the Medes. Without them you wouldnt even stand a chance COWARD. And you say that we are ethnically arab, well being a Chaldean (ethically Assyrian) i would have to say that our language is close to arabic than the assyrian is. Also i would have to say that The Assyrians have done so much more than we have, like create a flag before we copied their idea, start schools, tv channels, POLITICAL PARTIES, radio channels, countless clubs, and their NATIONAL celebration of the Assyrian New Year which celebrates the amount of years the Assyrians have been a civilization. In Chicago were i live, there is a Chaldean club were i go to and they are so racially intolerant of Assyrians, their are always fights between the Chaldeans and the Assyrians, because we narrow minded Chaldeans are too arrogant, but we Chaldeans are always going to their new years, and clubs and i have never dealt with any racial comments, only friendliness and kind Christian comments.
And another point i would like to make, the Chaldeans were Fooled by the Medes and destroyed, that just goes to show how gullible the Chaldeans were.
I would like to reinstate my point, WE CHALDEANS OF TODAY ARE NO ETHNICALLY CHALDEAN, BUT CHALDEAN BY RELIGION ONLY, so the only thing that differs us from the Assyrians is that of our Catholicism and their Orthodox. Thus meaning that Chaldean is not a nationality, but a religion, and why they have a flag i dont understand, and to the guy above me who seems kind of lost, its you who has mixed your blood with kurds and persians and ARABS, and lost the battle. We Assyrians, are not gullible, and we are kind hearted ACCEPTING christians, who admire MILJAKINATORS comments. Chaldo gangsta 21:29, 26 October 2006 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chaldo gangsta (talk • contribs)12:43, 26 October 2006.<!
If anyone is a shame to the Chaldeans its you, your mom and your family which has listened to the Assyrians throughout their lifes and not the facts. The Chaldeans were nothing but brave people who challenged the strongest Empire in the world, Yes the Chaldeans did have the Medes on their side, however the Schytians were a known trade and military partner of the Assyrians. What do you mean that the Assyrians didnt have a king, where was Ashurbanipals sons, as I remember, he had two sons heirs to the throne, it wasnt the Chaldean's fault that brothers jealous of each other. And if anyone if were coward, it must have been the Assyrians who escaped cowardly to the plains of Turkey and Assyria and had to relocate their capital. They were threatned by a much smaller populated empire and were still scared of them and joined up with the Egyptian Army at Charcamish and outnumbered the Chaldeans without the help of the Medes with heavily armoured infantry and heavy cavalary when the Chaldeans were the underdogs but still were brave enough to challenge two of the mightiest Empires in the world at once. Asm cc 22:25, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I am probably more educated than you about this subject, my sources arnt some bias family members or family friends, but assyrialogists and professionals who knows a lot more about this than you. The Medes had the responsobilty to destroy Nimrud and Ashur while the Chaldeans destropyed the mightiest city Nineveh, while they were rebuilding their long lost Empire. Why do you call the Chaldeans cowards, just because they burned down Nineveh, for your facts, the Assyrians demolished Babylon the century before and put it to the grpund and forced the Chaldeans to rebuild it. Well what i call burning of Nineveh is revenge and nothing else, Many years the Chaldeans were under Assyrian control and had to pay uneccesary taxes to the Empire, while they were being treated unfairly. Asm cc 22:36, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
You make me laugh
Firstly, i would like to point out how displeased i am with you about how low a level you have sunk in order to think of a decent comeback by involving my family, which has greatly offended me, i know it is of no use trying to dob you in because i know what your plan b is.
Secondly, If me and my family have listened to the Assyrians all our lives then please explain to me what you mean by FACT, maybe what you can replace it with is OPINION.
Thirdly, the scythians were our very very miniature allies who played a very small role, but the Medes were a much larger and stronger force and were more capable of destroying the Scythians yet like the Chaldeans were to afraid to take on the Assyrians alone.
Fourthly, yes the fact that the two brothers were jealous of eachother and both wanted the throne is true, but at least the throne was worth fighting for, i dont see any Chaldeans fighting over the throne i guess it wasnt as valuable as the Assyrian throne.
Fifthly, the Assyrians didnt cowardly flee to the mountain regions my friend, we used our wit and smarts to preserve our blood, unlike the chaldeans who have just mixed through with the kurds and arabs and persians, what a shame we couldnt preserve their valuable blood.
Sixthly, what was this smaller less populated army, and no matter what it was, our capital was barbarically taken away from us, our men and warriors savagely murdered, how would you expect us to react.
Seventhly, you are just contradicting yourself, first you say that we COWARDLY ran away from you, then you say that we were one of the mightiest empires, make up your mind. Also, the Chaldeans are being hypocryts by saying that we attacked that chaldeans with the help of the egyptians (which is yet to be proven therefore still considered untrue), we were only acting in retaliation to your actions with the assistance of the Medes, as you did to us when we attacked the Babylonian capital.
Eighthly, You are once again contradicting yourself, because we both know for a fact that my sources are the Assyriologists (chaldeology does not exist probably because it isnt worthy enough to be studied) and scholars of Chaldean heritage. I am yet to be informed of you extremely unreliable sources.
Ninethly, you cannot make assumptions like "I am probably more educated than you about this subject" because you are only making a fool of yourself, for all you know, you could be talking to a professor.
Tenthly, i would like to know, and please do not lie because that is shaming your nation and proving to yourself that you are losing, answer me this "WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR OPINIONS (NOT FACTS) FROM?????" what is your very unreliable source. You state that the Medes had the responsibility of taking Nimrud and Asshur and the Chaldeans took on Nineveh, i would be very interested in finding out.
Yours Cuttingly, Chaldo Gangsta Chaldo gangsta 06:32, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
guys, can you tone down this discussion a little bit, stay focussed on the topic and avoid personal remarks? Misplaced Pages talkpages aren't a forum for random discussions. Either discuss the article itself (or in this case, the disambiguation page), or move this discussion to private channels. dab (ᛏ) 07:32, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
i apologise for the misunderstanding, we are discussing the segment of the article regarding Chaldeans being ethnically Assyrians. I hope you understand. Chaldo gangsta 08:42, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
You got the best discussion, stop with the personal attacks and get to the facts
I find it affending you personal attacking me when you call ma a shame to the Chaldeans when its you, an Assyrian who it to embarresed of his people so he makes an chaldean account to defend them cause he knows them are wrong, who is the one who is a shame to their people now.
Secondly, Now that i find out that you were an assyrian, no u didnt listen to assyrians you were bias towards the assyrians instead.
Thirdly, How could you say that the Schytians were a small allie when they were a powerful empire, bias once again, prove with facts, not bias.
Fourthly, Brothers shouldnt fight over the throne thats a shame to the Assyrians, two people, so selfish, they make all their people suffer just because they want the power and no, Chaldea was worth fighting for and that is why the Persians attacked, however, children were raised up to respect their siblings, and not to try to kil them.
Fifthly, I want you to prove to me that our blood got mixed with aravbs and Kurds, see bias again with no facts, The chaldeans stayed back bravely to defend what was there unlike some cowards who fleed because they didnt think that dying for their nation was hounorable.
Sixthly, Facts please, "our capital was barbarically taken away from us, our men and warriors savagely murdered" prove plz, none of my sources tells me anything about this
Seventhly, with the strongest Empire on Earth they were still cowards, maybe behind those fortified walls they had the most advance weapons and shileds, but when there were no walls to protect them anymore, they soon espcaped the same way as chickens run away from the farmers. And yes, Assyria did team up with the Egyptians, and my sources even come from an wikipedia article even check it in the article of the Battle of Carchemish where the Chaldeans were outnumbered but still fought bravely and defeated the enemy
Eightly, give me the name of one of your reliable sources as an assyrialogist, they are most certain assyrians and that says easily how bias they could be
Ninethly, yes i can make assumptions like that im more educated than you in theis area because you are making a fool of yourself by personally attacking me every time you get rocked.
Tenthly, Its called Encyclopedia, maybe Assyrians havnt heard about that, and its also called, history books which clearly shows how the Assyrian Empire was easily defeated.
Yours Cuttingly lol how stupid
124.187.154.39 11:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
can you stop the stupid discussion? This is a disambiguation page. If you have anything to contribute to the question of the ethnicity of the modern group, do that at Talk:Assyrian people. I will start removing these rants now. Also, "Yours Cuttingly lol how stupid" isn't just impolite, it is extremely puerile (how old are you, 14?) we are here for polite and erudite discussion. Either do that, citing your sources, or go to some other online forum where flamewars are tolerated. dab (ᛏ) 11:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thank you dab for you comments, as you can see, this user is clearly not used to being polite and well mannered, if you think what i am doing is wrong, i will stop. Note: this comment is being directed towards user-Dab
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