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What border? Oh, that one. Nah...not a problem - open borders.
I asked the kids where they want to go for summer vacation. They yelled, Kid's summer camp!! I asked where? They said, Trump's immigration camp on the border, where all the other kids get to go.
Back in my day, when athletes took a knee, they took a knee.
Safe room - where free speech isn't censored, and you can let it all hang out.
If only...
...sarcasm burned calories.
...you knew, you would know.
...closed minds came with closed mouths.
...mosquitos sucked fat instead of blood.
...the good died young, we'd be here forever.
...my teeth were as white as my legs.
...more people were fluent in silence.
Five surgeons...
Five surgeons are discussing who makes the Best patients to operate on.
The first surgeon, says, "I like to see accountants on my operating table because when you open them up, everything inside is numbered."
The second, responds, "Yeah, but you should try electricians! Everything inside them is color coded."
The third surgeon, says, "No, I really think librarians are the best! Everything inside them is in alphabetical order."
The fourth surgeon, chimes in: "You know, I like construction workers. Those guys always understand when you have a few parts left over.'
But the fifth surgeon, shut them all up when he said: 'You're all wrong. Politicians are the easiest to operate on.
There's no guts, no heart, no balls, no brains, and no spine... Plus, the head and the ass are completely interchangeable!
Thought Grenades...
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Dick Pounds - Moe Lester: NPOV or Coatrack
The following are two different paragraphs describing a book author in a hypothetical BLP. Which one do you think is closest to being NPOV and encyclopedic? Please restrict all comments to the section Dick Pounds - Moe Lester below.
1. Dick Pounds is a documentary filmmaker and author of Chemtrails Leave No Cracker Crumbs, an Amazonian best seller (2012-2014). The book received mixed reviews but had wide appeal, and was well received by enthusiasts of conspiracy theories and connoisseurs of soda crackers, salted and unsalted. Pounds' friend, Moe Lester, a chemist for the aerospace giant, MacDonalds-Berger, was head of the company's jet vapor research team. He told Pounds that he found traces of aluminum in the jet vapors, which raised concern over potential aluminum traces in the air we breathe. He explained that the colder temperatures at altitude caused the jet vapors to freeze, and as they fell to earth, they solidified into smaller strips. By the time they hit the ground, they had transformed into shiney crumpled pieces of aluminum that look very much like the material used to make tin foil hats. It was Lester's discovery that convinced Pounds to write his book. A team of aeronautical engineers with Zip Eurfly Inc. disputed Moe Lester's claims in the book, and presented their 5 page scientific evaluation to DOT, dismissing Lester's reports, and debunking Pounds' theory that the aluminum hats he saw people wearing were caused by chem-trails or jet vapors; rather, science confirmed they were genuine aluminum foil hats made from Reynolds Wrap, likely purchased at the local WalMart.
2. Dick Pounds is a conspiracy theorist and lunatic charlatan who authored Chemtrails Leave No Cracker Crumbs. The book was criticized by many in the scientific community, several of whom were aeronautical engineers with DOT who confirmed that chemtrails do not leave cracker crumbs; rather they leave quacker crumbs. Sue Yoo, a chemical engineer at Cornmeal University and head of the Jetson Vapor Project Team, a division of Zip Eurfly Inc. denied the presence of aluminum in the jet vapors. Yoo sent a tweet advising Dick Pounds to go pound sand, and called him "a lunatic charlaton" who should not be allowed to write books.
DYK, GA, FA/FP, Barnstars and other accolades, all of which represents the wonderful sense of community that is Misplaced Pages
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OK, I hope you're happy with your work, I think it's fabulous! And I'm also glad that we could (resolve? set aside? put on hiatus?) our differences elsewhere and that it led to this accomplishment of yours. Cheers! — alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 19:11, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Alf. It means a great deal more to me coming from you. I don't even consider our differences as anything to set aside, much less consider. I learned a great deal from the experience, and thank you kindly. Now then, is the article still supposed to be in my sandbox, or did I screw-up yet again? Atsme☯19:17, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
No, it's normal that it's still in your sandbox. When you move a page out of userspace into mainspace that just happens. You can blank the sandbox version and it won't affect the real version, and then use your sandbox for other stuff. Would you be interested in trying to write a DYK (WP:DYK) from your new article? It'll get it on the main page for a few hours. That process can be a little overwhelming, I know, but if you'd like to try I can help you, or if you'd like it to happen but don't want to get involved, I can do it for you (which is normal, other people proposing DYKs for new articles).— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 19:23, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
I'd love to do something new. If you have the patience to work with me, I'm game. Also, I noticed in the "view history" of my new article, it shows all the edits. Uh oh? Or is that normal? You might want to take a peek at it. Atsme☯19:26, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
It's supposed to show the history, don't worry about that. I'll think about what might be a good hook, and maybe you can read over the instructions at the DYK page. I believe you have 5 days or 10 days or something from when it's moved into mainspace, so it's not a super hurry.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 19:28, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
You can take the lead, and just coach me along so I can see first hand how it's done. Is that ok? Atsme☯19:33, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
I miss your insightfulness, your patience, and your genius, Alf.laylah.wa.laylah. I hope you are checking in from time to time, and will see my post. Please come back soon. Atsme☯20:49, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
The above thread is referring to Gabor B. Racz which further substantiates how wrong it was for editors to initiate a WP:GAR within minutes following the wrongful accusations of a COI against me at COIN, particularly regarding this BLP. What ensued at the GAR discussions and on the article's TP should serve as a lesson to all of us regarding allegations of COI without justification, and the only reason I am now bringing it up.
It's here: Template:Did you know nominations/Gabor B. Racz. You might want to put it on your watchlist because it's sometimes necessary to do a little editing before it's accepted, but in this case I think that'll be minimal. By the way, you should be quite proud of the minimal attention the article got from new page patrollers. You probably didn't realize it, but those two or three small edits people made right after you moved it were just the tip of the iceberg of probably around a hundred people looking it over to make sure it wasn't too crappy to survive, and then it got assessed with a C by the bio wikiproject. Very good!— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 22:10, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Makes me smile. Thank you. I'm reading up on QPQ, DYK, KMA, IDK, MMD, etc., etc., etc. I have a 6 ft. sheet of initialisms and acronyms that will probably take me 3 years to learn. Atsme☯ talk22:23, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Did you look at the main page and see it on there? I took a screenshot for you in case you want a souvenir, which I can email to you if you'd like. Fabulous work, it flew right through the review. That's very rare on a first try. You should be proud. There are all kinds of little widgets you can put on your userpage to commemorate the occasion if you want to.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:20, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
The article's main page, or one of the links on the banner? Not quite versed in navigating DYK. I would love a souvenir, Alf - thank you bunches, and thank you for the kind words, but I can't take full credit. I had one helluva teacher in you! Where do I get the widgets? Oh, and I added the DYK tool, I think. I need to read up on the DYK procedures, because right now it's all a bit confusing. Once that light goes on in my head, I'll be on the fast track. I also made my first template, and uploaded more pictures to Commons. That was fun, too. Just have to be careful I don't grow roots in this chair. I lose track of time, and before I realize it, 10 to 12 hrs have passed. Atsme☯ talk02:46, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
No, the actual front page of Misplaced Pages that the whole world sees when they land on it. It's still on there now, so you can see it live, but in case you don't get this in time I'll send you the screenshot anyway. It's amazing how time flies, isn't it?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 02:58, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, that's the payoff for writing good new content. Amazing, isn't it? Do you know how to check page views in the article history? Wait till the date changes and you'll see your article got thousands of views today.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 03:05, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Sure is a good feeling, Alf. Amazing, and very rewarding. Page views? I don't know how to check page views. That is really awesome beyond words! Is there a link to the Widgets for my user page? --Atsme☯ talk03:17, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure if there's a general link. I use little teensy ones that I copied off someone else's page, you can see them on my user page. Also you can just look at other people's userpages who do DYKs and see what they do. That's probably the best way to find them, but also there might be a category or a list of them somewhere, I just don't know.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 03:24, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
DYK for Alligator gar
On 20 July 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Alligator gar, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that alligator gars(pictured) are "living fossils" that can breathe in both air and water? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Alligator gar. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Great works!! You have improved a lot....Keep up....
The herald15:33, 27 July 2014 (UTC) The Herald - how sweet - thank you!! And thank you for being so patient and giving of your time. I'm pretty excited about a couple new projects I'm working on offline, and also trying to improve a very inaccurate "start" article that relies heavily on self-published sources, and original research. Atsme☯16:13, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
On 19 October 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Bowfin, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that bowfins can survive up to five days' exposure to air because they can breathe both air and water? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bowfin. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of American paddlefish to FA status recently. If you would like to see this (or any other FA) appear as "Today's featured article" soon (either on a particular date or on any available date), please nominate it at the requests page. If you'd like to see an FA appear on a particular date in the next year or so, please add it to the "pending" list. In the absence of a request, the article may end up being picked at any time (although with about 1,287 articles waiting their turn at present, there's no telling how long – or short! – the wait might be). If you'd got any TFA-related questions or problems, please let me know. Bencherlite10:46, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Bencherlite. I believe in the DYK/GA/FA process, admire the reviewers for their diligence, and generosity of their time, and hope I will be able to help bring more quality articles to Misplaced Pages. Atsme☯12:25, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
intrinsic beauty of sharing knowledge
Thank you, free at last, for quality articles such as American paddlefish and Gabor B. Racz, written with the background of experience and in the spirit that there's "something indescribable, yet intrinsically beautiful about sharing knowledge", - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
A year ago, you were recipient no. 1072 of Precious, a prize of QAI! Thank you for great wishes, starting early, - I am still on my way and found in a 16th century text (and music) inspiration to go over the mountains, be inspired, support each other, and sing! All the good wishes are open now on my talk, to be shared, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
Awww...thank you, Gerda Arendt. Your "Precious" prize generates feelings of warmth, love and peace. You are a very special Wikipedian as its founder and distributor. 15:00, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
In recognition of your COI Ducks essay, which I find to be of value in facing the fact that Misplaced Pages has a serious ongoing problem. It takes bravery and moral conviction to stand up against the forces of organized COI editing. Thanks for your work. Jusdafax15:38, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
By the way, I see you had the same type of visitor I had today. I've banned him from my talk page, just so you know you aren't the only one. Best wishes, Jusdafax21:47, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Atsme, gotta love being propped up to do a favor for others, only to be thrown to the wolves with no one by your side, eh? Welcome to Misplaced Pages! I've been wracking my brain trying to figure out how to make it up to you, and then i remembered..... ice cream exists. Please have some. You deserve it. petrarchan47tc23:10, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Believe it or not, I just sat down with a bowl of ice cream (Chocolate Royale) and fired up the computer and read this, so yes, I thoroughly enjoyed all the treats, thank you! Atsme☯02:14, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
I really can't claim to be a fan of the essay, but I would like to say that I appreciate the edits made in response to my concerns. I also respect and appreciate that you were willing and able to hear my concerns in the midst of an emotional and confrontational discussion. Formerly 9812:54, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, Formerly 98. I am flattered and honored by your gesture of kindness. I do hope we can work together in a productive collaboration in the near future. I really do like your style. Atsme☯00:23, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
A kitten for you!
Woke up just now to see Nirmala already a GA!!! Gratitude........
(It was this or something called "bubble tea"- hope you like beer!) I see WP has regained a bit of its sanity. Welcome back xxxooo petrarchan47คุก00:07, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading the pictures
A cute pinto foal for you!
Thanks for uploading the photos, I added them to the articles (both the I Am Jose ones to his article, and one of him and the arena picture to the TWHNC article. Thanks again! 😊 White Arabian Filly (Neigh) 20:33, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Meow! This cat swings all ways, vax and anti-vax, and will accept homeopathy, acupuncture, traditional Chinese medicine, and milk. And kitten hugs.
Drmies (talk) 14:34, 15 March 2016 (UTC) Soft kitty, warm kitty, little ball of fur. Happy kitty, sleepy kitty, purr, purr, purr. *lol* Thanks, Drmies. If that cat ever authors a book about feline acupuncture, I'll do my best to include a section on the motivation and inspiration behind it. In kitty language, CAM/Alt Med can only mean one thing - creature comfort. Cats are pretty amazing creatures, as I'm sure you're well aware. Following is what homeo-pity meant to our 20+ yr. old barn cat who actually knew she was going to die. I say that with conviction because of the events that led up to it, beginning with her rare visit to the house. She stood at my front door meowing until I answered. I didn't know what was wrong with her - she looked fine for her age - so I picked her up, and sat on the porch swing with her in my lap. She responded well to a little love and attention; laid very still purring while I gently rubbed her head. After I went back into the house, she stayed there in the swing. I found her little lifeless body the next morning exactly where I left her. She came to tell me goodbye. Atsme17:04, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
Well earned, although I personally have to admit that when I saw "involuntary recumbency" in the edit summary I was thinking that it was some sort of euphemism for being sick or in the hospital or something. John Carter (talk) 14:26, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you Brianhe - it's not only a creative barnstar, it's one that is udderly appreciated. It really moooved me. Sooo...along the lines of what John Carter said, when I first saw "involuntary recumbency" I thought someone was going to force me to ride a recumbent. Q: What did the cow say to the cow-tipping rednecks? A: Don't mooove a muscle! 15:39, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi Atsme, I saw your post on Anarchyte's talk page and just now discovered your amazing work on Misplaced Pages. Why have you not yet applied for the Rfa? Xender Lourdes (talk) 00:34, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for the kind words, Xender Lourdes. I actually self-reverted after I re-read A's user page and realized their userbox correctly displayed their time as an editor, which to me is pretty amazing considering all the accomplishments in such a short period of time. And thank you Xender for your contributions and the excellent work you've been doing. I actually have given some consideration to adminship but I'm not quite ready for it. I occasionally help at DRN when I can - not as much as I should - and from time to time I'll close at ANI, but at this point in time, I very much enjoy working with the Equine Project team, creating articles, reviewing GA/FA candidates, improving/expanding articles for GA/FA promotion as well as helping others prep theirs, and I also enjoy spending time on Commons, providing photographs that are needed for articles, and helping review FP candidates. It's "happy time" for me. Admins have a huge responsibility, and to do the job right requires a great deal of time, patience, and understanding. Perhaps after I achieve most of my goals as a content creator and GA/FA contributor, adminship may be something I'd consider. 04:26, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
For your thankless efforts at the Faisalabad GA review, and, in general, for all your splendid contributions to Misplaced Pages. We are blessed to have someone like you here! Sainsf (talk·contribs) 07:45, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
...comes around. With the "what" being the fact that I'm going to have that image on my talk page beyond the death of humanity itself, when only the barren expanses of the empty internet remain. But I'll let crazy pig man speak for himself. Colonel Wilhelm Klink (|Mistakes) 01:31, 30 August 2016 (UTC) Seriously though, I'm glad you enjoyed my depository of failed amateur comedy user page.
Colonel Wilhelm Klink, I don't trust that the internet will be here in recognizable form in the future, so I printed & framed your crazy pig man and hung it on the wall. Our little pot bellied pig gazes upon it dreamily every day. 15:13, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
I hope your pig gets many hours of enjoyment from it (because God knows nobody else will). Now the only thing left to do is invite Kramer over to your house. ("Jerry! It's the pig man!") :) Colonel Wilhelm Klink (|Mistakes) 18:11, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
On 10 November 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Chris Sherwin, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that animal behavior scientist Chris Sherwin wrote that insects can experience "negative mental states"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Chris Sherwin. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Chris Sherwin), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
for your engagement on the NPP and ACTRIAL issues whether or not your opinions concur with mine. At least you now have the eyes and ears of the WMF. Thank you :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:58, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Thank you Kudpung, but it is you I applaud for your leadership and steadfastness in this worthy endeavor. I believe we are of the same opinion regarding the essential elements; however, as an ideaologist I'm not above throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks, especially when there's a stalemate. It is long past due for the project to have safeguards in place to assure sustainability and integrity of the encyclopedia. 16:41, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Congrats again, and having looked at the FPC page, I actually have a question that reflects my limited knowledge of photography: what does "high EV" mean? --Tryptofish (talk) 21:32, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, Tryptofish - EV = Encyclopedic Value...it's a requirement for WP:FP candidates, but not for Commons FP candidates. They judge differently. 21:37, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
And Tryp, I had the perfect template made for that, too - Self-whale... for when a trout just isn't enough, as you already know, but reminders don't hurt considering the antsy trigger fingers of template deletionists which make the saying "use it or lose it" encyclopedic. I was hoping that my template creator would add the words "...when a trout just isn't enough." to the self-whale template but I was happy and appreciative for the template he created. I will add that he did make the perfect template for Just curious... which included the emoji & dots... 22:35, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Special Barnstar
To Atsme, for your tireless and patient mentoring of me on the article Charmayne James in order to bring it to good article status. My first good article attempt. And also for your outstanding editing skills. There aren't enough words. Thank you!
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Oh my!! I'm speechless, MONGO. Anybody know a good ghostwriter I can contract to write a speech for me? I'm too emotional to write it myself right now but I can dictate the parts I want expressed in my own words. Oh, and I prefer someone who won't turn on me 20 years from now. 🤣 God save the flag-wearing eagle!! 🤠 18:29, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
Just don't let the wackos drag you too deep into their cesspool of idiocy. If their system of government actually worked, the cities/municipalities and states where they are in charge would not all look like either a war zone or a poorly maintained boy scout jamboree tent city.MONGO15:34, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
Well deserved, Atsme. You've been a cool head and someone who is able to inject some good humor into moments where things could, or are ready to, blow apart with tempers and impatience on either side of a discussion at some highly charged talk pages, not just at the Donald Trump article. Thanks for recognizing her, Lionelt . -- ψλ ● ✉✓13:31, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you so much, my WP friends. I am flattered, very appreciative of the kind words, and equally appreciative of your efforts in deflecting potential disruption by putting collegiality first when editing highly controversial political articles. I often visit the “Thought Grenades” at the top of my user page - it helps keep things in perspective. The world is experiencing a Trumpadigm shift, much of which has been a culture shock to the establishment, a wake-up call on a world-wide scale, and a welcome reversal to those who opposed the open border/global direction proposed by establishment elites who mistakenly believe they know what’s best for everyone, including how best to spend other people’s money. The compilation of Davy Crockett memos by Edward Ellis speaks volumes, as does this very telling email. Happy editing!!! 15:54, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
Holidays and special occasions
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How sweet!! Thank you!! I intend to make it the happiest Thanksgiving ever!! I say that every year and because of my spotty memory, each one is the happiest!!! Atsme16:43, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Wow - animated, too. Love it!! Thank you, Brandmeister.
Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas!
I've been hearing from the elves that you've been a little worried about how Santa's list is looking for you. They say he's almost done with his second check, and so far it looks like you've hardly been naughty at all! Thanks for the work you do and the help and nice words that you have shared with me. You have brought joy into my work here.
...for your card. I hope that you and yours have had, and will have, a good holiday, and a happy and productive New Year. BMK (talk) 20:38, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
Best wishes for your Christmas Is all you get from me 'Cause I ain't no Santa Claus Don't own no Christmas tree. But if wishes was health and money I'd fill your buck-skin poke Your doctor would go hungry An' you never would be broke." —C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1914. Montanabw
Thank you, Montanabw. I imagine it's snowing where you are right now, so snuggle up by the fireplace and stay warm. I hear a fire in the fireplace is ok on Christmas Eve because Santa has an alternate route. 🎁 Atsme20:37, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
You're welcome :), Haha same here!, By Monday It'll all be back to normal & everyone will be miserable again , Thanks and I wish you a very Happy New Year too :) .... again! . –Davey201022:10, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, Horsegeek - I'm enjoying the fireworks displays all around me while being thankful for the rains we just had, especially considering the expanse of my coastal hay fields - the same fields we haven't been able to cut because of all the rain. 02:50, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Wishing you a wonderful Thanksgiving with lots of good food and family!
White Arabian Filly
Ohhhh...how sweet!! Thank you, White Arabian Filly. I'm feeling a little homesick for our American traditions and above all missing my family, but it's hard to resist the beautiful sunrises and sunsets of this island. Wishing you & yours a very HAPPY THANKSGIVING!! 23:38, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Tryptofish I think your English is great, and I'm impressed with your French. I'd be happy to give you a personal tour of the island as my honored guest if that will lift your spirits. As for Papiamentu, I can throw out a few sentences....Un buricu no ta un bestia bunita, ma tampoco un bestia mahos. And in closing, I can say without reservation, "Mi ta hari henter dia." 23:32, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
Totally not! I can speak Cantonese, and a bit of Vietnamese. Mostly on the understanding side though. So not perfect! Horsegeek18:06, 24 November 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek
"Gobble. The gobble is a loud, rapid gurgling sound made by male turkeys. The gobble is one of the principal vocalizations of the male wild turkey and is used primarily in the spring to let hens know he is in the area." Happy Thanksgiving! Let's just say you've been gobbled. Horsegeek18:04, 24 November 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek
Horsegeek, if I've been gobbled, it's probably because my wattle confused ole Tom. Hoping you had an amazing turkey day!! 😂 23:06, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi, Ozzie10aaaa - thank you so much for the beautiful wishes! I will reciprocate in kind by wishing you and yours a joyous and merry Christmas and a Happy New Year as we near the close of 2016. I pray we'll be around to celebrate many more!! 16:57, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas
Hoping you stay warm and have lots of good times and good food this holiday season! White Arabian Filly
"Here's hoping that the worst end of your trail is behind you That Dad Time be your friend from here to the end And sickness nor sorrow don't find you." —C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1926. Montanabw 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi Atsme, could I get some feedback or assistance from you on how to convert Muhammad Ali into a GA article? Please note that there are some regulars who have been contributing to this article, and if you decide to get involved personally, it might help if you comment on the talk page of this article. Thank you. Soham321 (talk) 00:06, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi Soham321, I'm happy to help. Will give it a look tomorrow. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you, too!! May your holidays be filled with many blessings! 02:02, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
Merry Christmas 2016
Merry Cristmas everybody!!!
"And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold,
I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord."
My apologies for not reaching you sooner; I've been on a three week break for some reason. Hence, let me belatedly thank you for your thoughts this holiday season; I am very grateful for the thought, and I sincerely appreciate the gesture. Allow me to wish you and your loved ones a happy (remainder of the) holiday season, and a prosperous year to come. :) Colonel Wilhelm Klink (|Mistakes) 21:49, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Beautiful picture, Northamerica1000. Thank you, and HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU!!! My kindest & warmest wishes to you & yours with hopes for a prosperous and peaceful new year. 14:16, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, Davey2010 - can you believe another year just passed us by? Wow...I hope we can celebrate many, many more!!! HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU!!! 🎉🎈🍾🍸 14:13, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
You're welcome, I know eh 2016 had gone too quick but in the end It was a crap year so kinda glad it did fly by! :), Arr thanks and I too hope we celebrate many more!!!, I hope you and your family have a very Happy and Healthy New Year :), –Davey201016:03, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
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Thank you, Adityavagarwal - such sweet words. I'm still eating Halloween candy, so that's a one-day holiday that keeps on giving!! 15:00, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
Enjoy the candy! :D It is awesome that despite the halloween being finished, your candies are not. I am taking a few candies from you, as it is not over yet, and i also love to eat them! :) Adityavagarwal (talk) 16:20, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
Happy thanksgiving
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How about combining a Barnstar with a Christmas Card? That is why this message is appearing on your talk page. Simultaneously and at the same time, this barnstar is conferred upon you because during this past year you worked and contributed your time to improve the encyclopedia. You also have received far too little recognition for your contributions. In addition, this is a small attempt at spreading holiday cheer. I've appreciated all the things that you have done for me. The Best of Regards, Barbara (WVS)✐ ✉ 01:01, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and troll-free and you not often get distracted by dice-playing. Ealdgyth - Talk13:58, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, WAF!! We'll probably have the cold without the snow (as usual) but it promises to be another wonderful Christmas to remember! 16:27, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Awwwe, Kudz - thank you! The well wishes themselves are what make the holidays happy, not the templates they come in. Add to that, the holiday music and watching Miracle on 34th Street, and I get so santa-mental. 04:48, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
Season's greetings
Hi Atsme, thank you for the lovely card. I would never have guessed that it was a Christmas tree worm! They're beautiful. Anyway, Merry Christmas to you and wishing you all the best for the New Year. SarahSV22:17, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you! Imagine...3 more sleeps, SV - and I've become duly dutifully santamental... 🤶🎁🎉🎊 🥂🍾 00:38, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Merry Christmas!
Wish you a Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year 2018!
Hi Atsme, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year,
Thanks for all your help and contributions on the 'pedia! ,
–Davey201013:21, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Looks like that picture will be as close as I'll be getting to snow this year! Thanks, Davey!! Buckle up for 2018!! 16:31, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
What a surprise!! So happy to meet your acquaintance Bzuk. There are several parallels in the adventures we've experienced in life. I reciprocated on your TP. 19:24, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, Buster7 - wishing you & your loved ones a Blessed and Merry Christmas, and may the New Year reward you with success, happiness and harmony. 05:25, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
Awww, thank you Rosiestep!! Hope Santa brings you everything you wished for, and that the New Year rewards your efforts with much success and happiness!! 05:33, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
oh hey Atsme! Didnt see you there. You too, have a great new year. Naa, nothing different for me at all, just another day like every other day. Well, except for the TV shows. They have many special programs on 31st. —usernamekiran(talk)18:51, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, Martin!! And wherever you may be performing or traveling - BE SAFE!! Thank you for all you do and have done. May our 2018 be even more productive and inspiring than last year!! 00:09, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt, thank you sweetie pie. I love your "Precious" gems. Just one question - in 2014, you adorned my page with the 3 yr. precious gem. Has time stood still? *lol* 17:16, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
I am perhaps too brief: in 2014 I found you precious, still on this page, but collapsed, therefore I sent the reminder that it was three years ago. It's forever ;) - Did Texas see my green heart? (There will more tomorrow, but a start is made.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:22, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi, Peter! My last exposure to rebreathers was on my little island of Bonaire - I attended a rebreather demonstration (can't remember what year but maybe around 2005ish). I remember Jean-Michel Cousteau was on-island, but can't remember if he was the host of the demo or just staying at Buddy Dive...or it could have been Captain Don's Habitat...again, memory fails me...plus it was after the Rum Punch party, which is what I remember most because of the fun and dancing. What I do remember is not trusting my ability to keep up with the maintenance of a RB. I also did not venture into tech diving although my ex-significant other was all into deep diving and high flying, but not at the same time. My red line was drawn just north of operating lights and underwater housings for various cameras while still being able to check my computer (PSI, time left at depth), and remembering I was at least 50 to 75 ft. underwater. Like most others, I've heard the horror stories of rebreathers but the most compelling argument for me (on the plus side) was "no bubbles" which was paramount to u/w photography, so my curiosity never really waned. Soooo....what has changed over the past 20 years? I am most interested in cost & ease of maintenance, the products used, and cost of equipment. I'll be using it primarily on Bonaire which is still a NITROX dominate dive location. I've had 3 rather disconcerting episodes of skin bends, the 2nd of which required O2 but nothing in a deco chamber, so I limit my dives to 50 ft max., every two days if that much. 19:04, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
An SCR without electronics is relatively simple to maintain, and there is less to go wrong, but it can still kill you without warning in some types of failure, so if you choose to go this route, it should be with a clear understanding of the risk. I don't know what units are currently on the market. My personal experience is with Draeger Ray and Draeger Dolphin, both of which seem to be off the market. Both of these are constant mass flow systems, which are pretty safe unless the orifice blocks, and the orifice is a tiny hole which is easy to block if there is any dirt in the gas supply line. Adding an oxygen monitoring system allows a warning if this happens, but costs in complexity and maintenance, also money. There are quite a number of military SCR's around, but I have never actually seen or handled one. They are pretty reliable when managed according to SOP, which means well maintained and set up by trained staff. At present I don't use a breather because I am almost always mapping, and OC just less hassle and adequate for the purpose. My most frequent current dive buddy is a bit of an equipment tinkerer and shifts among two modified ECCRs, OC sidemount and OC backmount with no obvious pattern. He has not managed to kill himself yet, but has had a bad CO2 hit as a result of an incorrectly installed scrubber, in spite of an obligatory 5 minute prebreathe and all systems checked out as good. A good bailout valve saved him on that occasion. I once had a loop flood which led to a scrubber breakthrough and high CO2, but it was gradual, and I bailed out early, so was an inconvenience rather than a catastrophe.
SCR will produce some bubbles, but far less than OC, and quiet. For photography of skittish animals they are a significant step up from OC. Your 50 foot limit makes things a bit less risky in general, as there should be adequate gas in the tank for bailout to OC, and you can run a fairly rich mix.
SCR is generally heavier and more bulky than a single Al80, which is the standard vacation rig. This may be a problem, depending on the user, and how you plan to get it to the water. There is a bit of a learning curve for buoyancy control, but with your experience, it should not take long. No worse than with a dry suit, but a bit different.
Travelling can be a bit of an issue. Many destinations will not have the right size cylinder, or the right connections. If they are set up for breathers, it may not be a problem.
Most of the development recently has been in CCRs. They are becoming more reliable and more idiot-resistant, and in parallel, more idiots are probably using them. It is a bit of a race. Fatality figures are not changing by orders of magnitude, and are still significantly higher than for OC. Most fatalities still appear to be due to user error. A bit like guns and cars, but less likely to kill someone else.
So, bottom line. If there is something available that fits you comfortably, and you are willing to be quite meticulous in maintenance, setup and pre-dive checks. an SCR should be good for the depths you want and for the photography. · · · Peter (Southwood): 09:04, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, Peter - good info to know. Might have to arrange for you to give a presentation on Bonaire some day. I remember well what all was involved in preparation for a dive when I was producing the web promos for the Aggressor Fleet - particularly, the Okeanos Aggressor. We were anchored off Cocos Island (2 day boat trip from Costa Rica) when, during our stay, the ship's dive master announced that the hammerheads were circling the cleaning station and to don our gear. I made haste - quickly grabbed my video camera, put it in the u/w housing that was at the charging station, donned my scuba gear, and did a long stride into the water from the aft platform. The swift current swept me to the anchor line, and I (luckily) grabbed hold of it to make the decent. It wasn't until I was at 90 ft. and had found the perfect spot to record that I realized my housing was full of seawater. In my haste, I had forgotten to put the o-ring screw back on the housing after charging. Ugh!! There is so much prep just getting the camera equipment ready that I'd rather not take on any additional prep or maintenance, especially if it involves life support. Camera gear plus the bulk of a CCR and all that goes into the pre-checks, makes me think that's a job I'm simply not equipped to handle. I dive NITROX in an 80cf steel which gives me anywhere from 90 to 120 min u/w depending on depth. When I dive deeper than 50 ft., I'll have a hang tank with at least 40% O2 to off-gas (because of my prior skin bends episodes). If we're far offshore, I will keep using the O2 on board until we get back to shore. So far, that has worked well for me. I noticed that of late, I am now enjoying more of the underwater world while living vicariously through the divers on the production crew of The Blue Planet. I used a mini-rov on the Great Lakes in one of my productions, (thanks to NOAA), but what The Blue Planet crews have done is absolutely phenomenal. Maybe in another lifetime I'll be able to experience a small portion of it. 21:04, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Has anyone not flooded a camera housing? I have also neglected to fit the O-ring. I found out at 18m, but the camera is an Olympus TG-3, so it just needed a rinse with freshwater. All my other floods were with all O-rings in place and not easily explained. The predive tests of a rebreather are supposed to detect any inadvertent assembly errors, like leaving out O-rings, but as my buddy found out, they don't always work as intended.
The world is too big to see it all. I have restricteded my ambitions to see those parts I can access at affordable cost, and to dive once a week on average. Occasionally I get lucky, and get to visit other places or dive more frequently. Like you, I get to see the more exotic places on video. Good old Attenborough. What a job! Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood): 03:29, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
That's not a lede - that's a 5-short-sentence paragraph, typical of what one would hear upon input of the address in a GPS device such as Google directions on a smart phone. I'll see what I can do with it over the weekend. 22:26, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
Could you please take a look at this lede too? There may be too much about alumni and not enough about the history, where I have added more referenced content.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:20, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
And if you can find a way to remove the self-published sources from the lede (which is usually not referenced anyway), that would help. Thanks!Zigzig20s (talk) 23:27, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
And if you can find a way to remove the self-published sources from the lede (which is usually not referenced anyway), that would help. Thanks!Zigzig20s (talk) 23:27, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Zigzig20s - sorry for the delay but the weekend was hectic and I'm slow start today. Re: your question - not quite advertising but WP:PUFF, yes. It could be phrased differently if it's to be included at all. this is advertising] or not please?Zigzig20s (talk) 16:51, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Zigzig20s - sorry for the delay but the weekend was hectic and today is Monday. Re: your question - it's not quite advertising but it is WP:PUFF. I was unable to find more than that one source that ranked Franklin at all, much less ranking it #4, and the cited source was not CNN; rather, it was Time, and the section is published in Partnership with realtor.com so it does not qualify as a RS. I also see where that passage was reverted, as it should have been. I think the whole paragraph needs to be phrased differently....perhaps something along the line of... From 1940—2010, Franklin experienced substantial surges in overall population and economic growth as a result of its close proximity to Nashville. In 2000, the growth rate surged to 108.19%, followed by a decade of fluctuating declines, leveling off in 2011 to 2.36% with minor annual fluctuations until 2017 which showed an increase to 4.87%." 18:39, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Phantom Thread
I was about to edit the page to include more paragraphs and the award table. I wanted to save the page first, then edit later. Furthermore, it has 24 wins and 85 nominations, which is pretty much notable for a standalone page. Daerl (talk) 13:23, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
Daerl - thank you for bringing the other 2 articles to my attention. I now see there is a WikiProject Film/Film awards task force. I’m not quite sure a separate list article for accolades passes WP:NOT since the very nature of accolades is puffery and promotion. I have asked DGG for his input. I encourage you to continue your good work as I will not revert your reverted redirect, but it is still best to get input from DGG and perhaps others, just to be on the safe side. 14:18, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
It some cases we may need to do it, because ofthe size of the article. I do not think we should otherwise. But including them is `ec content if they are sigificant awards, and in some fields the standards for that can be rather loose. Just like with notability details, my personal tendency is to let fields I do not have a primary interest in continue their established patterns , hoping that they'll do the same for the ones I'm concerned about. Otherwise theere would be too many arguments--I consider the sort of content included in some other fields articles ridicuous, but I can't challenge everyone and I can't clean up everything. I will however look at these instances. DGG ( talk ) 15:27, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, DGG - my concern is that the columns in RS are typically involved in the entertainment business so I question the independent source qualification, but that's borderline. As we all know, celebrity tends to be considered notable well beyond what is considered encyclopedic. Being famous for discovering a cure for cancer is encyclopedic whereas a list of people pretending to be something they're not and getting overpaid for it and then receiving awards for it is not what I consider encyclopedic - it's great for fan club sources but an encyclopedia? Meh. Also, the awards are already mentioned in the respective BLP's of the recipients. I'm only one iVote so I'll leave it with you. 15:42, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
There are a great many subjects where there is no clear boundary between encyclopedic information and promotion. And we do cover the promotional parts of the world, too, albeit in an encyclopedic manner--so there are necessarily going to be fluid boundries.There arefields of entertainment where this is much worse than cinema. I don't consider "Being famous for discovering a cure for cancer is encyclopedic whereas a list of people pretending to be something they're not" to be sensible. No person yet has discovered a cure for cancer as an absolute, and the nature of the problem makes me think nobody every will. People have made thousands of small contributions to the knowledge of cell biology, and their encyclopedic significnace depends somewhat on what the steps were, and somewhat on what the steps led to. Most of them taken indicvidually are a very small contribution to human welfare as compared to the any important work of artistic creativity. As for what people in general areconcerned with, peoplein general areconcerned with the activities of other people, and have an immense curiosity about them. Human society is based on this in real life, and in particular on tho opprotunity for increased interaction made possible in human evolution by the development of facial expressivity and of language. People prepare for real life -- and escape the limits of their own real life--through fiction. People are mostly interested in even sicentific biographies not for the science, but for the biography--the fascination with someone like Einstein or Darwin or Watson is the same as the fascination with a performer--what could have given them the ability to do these extrordinary things. I can easily go on with this for hours.
As for the specifics. The facts of the awards of RS beyond question as widely reported objective facts. That the people or films may have won the awards because of publicity is not really issue in sourcing--the fact is they did win them. That the voting is influenced by publicity campaigns is also true, and needs to be discussed in the context of the individualawards, for a great deal is known about the publicty campagns for major filsm, and their relationship to specific awards. I think our coverage here is, if anything, superficial. There can be a concern about what awards are considered important enough. The major ones are in the bios of the subjects, ut onot the ones of medium imporyance. Possibly, we may need to consider to what level we want to go, and for what level of film we want the splits. Present usage is inconsistent. Yjr weakness of Misplaced Pages here is both in that it depends on the interests of the writers, and second, that there are is no rule that says the amount of space devoted to a subject, once it is clear that it is notable, or to aspect of a subject, is to be proportionate to its importance. I find that aburd, as absurd as the fact that to the extent we have a rule it depends , just like notability itself, on the amount of coverage, not the importance. Back to my film for the evening; I have a new bio of Darwin, but that's not what I want just now. DGG ( talk ) 01:50, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
FWIW
I'm sort-of back, though I don't know for how long. Figured you'd want to know, since you seemed worried at talk that something may have happened to me. Nothing did, I just got really sick of WP and un-bookmarked it. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPantsTell me all about it.16:43, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Probably some good advice, there. For what it's worth, the yes-it's-actually-in-my-will announcement on all my online accounts that would be forthcoming were I to die unexpectedly would likely cause quite a shitstorm, and leave most Wikipedians who like me too busy laughing in schadenfreude at a certain group to be too upset over it. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPantsTell me all about it.17:03, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Lede
Hello again. Would you be interesting in expanding the lede of Outstanding American by Choice please? It would involve doing a bit of research in terms of when it was started, whose idea it was, how many awards have been given, etc. Please ping me when you reply. Thanks!Zigzig20s (talk) 09:09, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
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Hi Atsme. I'm sorry to have to bring this to your attention. Over the past several months I have observed behavior from you that I believe is at odds with the community's expectations, and what is usually tolerated. I have lost count of the number of editors and admins who have tried to get you to stop using article talk pages as forums for discussion about other subjects, media bias, clickbait, propaganda and the like, as you did here, here, here, here, here, here, and here. I had hoped that quietly hatting your reflections about Barack Obama on the Donald Trump talk page would have had given you the hint that this type of behavior is disruptive, but I see that I was mistaken. To avoid any ambiguity, the conduct I'm referring to is described in WP:TALKNO, WP:NOTFORUM, WP:FILIBUSTER, WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT, WP:POVFIGHTER, WP:REHASH, WP:SOAPBOX, WP:ARBAP#Final decision, and WP:ARBAP2#Final decision.
Please consider this a final request to stop disrupting article talk page discussions. Article talk pages are for discussing specific edits to the articles they are attached to.- MrX 🖋 12:26, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
This was an interesting read over my morning coffee. Almost as occasionally ironic as the Family Circus or Beetle Bailey comic strips could be (also read over morning coffee), and certainly as humorous. Unlike those comic strips though, the repeated installments of this talkpage Wiki-humor seems to have no end. Ah, well. Going back to concentrating on the java now. <insert cartoon laugh emoji here> -- ψλ ● ✉✓14:07, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
The Obama (and Hillary Clinton) articles are FAs...in any effort to find a path to meet similar expectations, some comparative analysis between the FA articles on Obama/Clinton and the horrid and sordid mess that is the Trump article is not only necessary, it is nearly mandatory. Likewise, comparing coverage of past Presidents is fine if it helps us put things in perspective now with the current one.MONGO15:08, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
MrX hatted the Atsme's comment but left his own "Bullshit" comment with embedded link to an unreliable Youtube clip? That's cute.MONGO15:12, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I looked at each of the diffs in MrX's post above. It looks to me like there are plenty of toxic comments on both "sides", no surprise there. But Atsme, I do have a problem with at least one part of some of your comments: the contention that it is somehow unfair to cover the controversies about the alleged relationship of religious bias to the travel ban, because Obama also took actions against terrorism arising in the Middle East. It's a false equivalency. There is no question that reliable sources report that Trump has expressed support for banning travelers based on being Muslim – whether or not one thinks that he is actually biased or just trying to address national security, whether or not one thinks that his campaign comments have anything to do with his in-office policies, and whether or not one agrees with the Supreme Court decision. On the other hand, there is also no question that reliable sources have never documented Obama expressing support for banning travelers based on being Muslim, while there is plenty of reliable sourcing indicating that Obama has said that he would oppose doing so. So, just calling it down the middle per NPOV (and you know of course what my personal opinions are), that kind of argument is unhelpful in making content decisions on WP. And to argue that the false equivalency is useful in making the page an FA is plainly incorrect. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:09, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Not sure anyone said anything about a false equivalency being useful for FA. The point is any FA on any similar topic is useful as a template overall for articles no where near FA which I have done several times when I worked on FAs. (I confess this has been helpful at least for me.)MONGO17:41, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I agree that similar FAs are useful in that way. What I am saying is that arguing that: because the Obama page is an FA and it does not include content about him wanting to travel ban Muslims, so to make the Trump page an FA it too should not include such content – that's a weak argument. When you commented about comparative analysis, it sounded like you were saying that any of the Obama comparisons in Atsme's comments were useful in that way. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:48, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I just went through a harrowing ordeal this morning with a very angry raccoon in a trap on my porch, and just now sat down to unwind with my first cup of morning coffee when I logged on to find these unfounded PAs against me by MrX. I am dismayed but not surprised by his appalling behavior toward me considering this diff, and more recently on the Trump TP, his POV about the travel ban and omission of material that provides clarity, followed by his response to another editor calling it "bullshit".
There are plenty of other diffs just like those to demonstrate BATTLEGROUND and INCIVILITY by MrX toward editors who oppose his POV, but unlike what he just did to me using diffs that do not support his aspersions, I am going to extend him the courtesy of not listing them now. As for the diffs MrX provided above - specifically the most recent about the travel ban, and the older discussions between myself and MjolnirPants, this diff speaks volumes.
I won't waste valuable time going over each diff individually but will if needed. For now I'm pinging NeilN to advise him of the chilling effect of MrX's aspersions, and to please advise MrX to cease and desist from such behavior. Content disputes have nothing to do with behavior, unlike the behavior MrX has exhibited in the diffs I provided above - and there are plenty more if additional evidence is needed. It is hard enough to work under DS restrictions that are already in place on those articles without having to deal with unfounded threats and unsupported allegations by MrX.
MrX hatted my argument and evidence, and his only basis for doing so was WP:IDONTLIKEIT. The following diffs demonstrate my participation in the discussion about the SCOTUS decision on the travel ban, and the clarity I felt was needed but was omitted for no good reason - see TALK:Donald Trump#Travel ban:
my iVote was a "conditional oppose" and proposal of what I felt was needed;
added that I was ok with it being in the body text not the lede
MrX's POV about Trump's intentions. (his bullshit comment was part of that discussion)
my response to MrX's comment about Trump's "intentions", and included a RS
Tryptofish - you know full well how the discussion between Mpants and I ended yet you are still of the mind to say my comments were "toxic"? Do you not remember this? It is easy to collect diffs of debates and pretend it's disruptive as what MrX just attempted to do. I'm not going to argue about his aspersions against me and other editors while he conflates content disputes with incivility. I will admit to getting out of character once regarding FLOTUS - but it was on a user's TP and the topic was so ridiculous that my normal politeness escaped me for a moment but only after I was wrongly accused of casting aspersions. There's only so much a person can take - I actually used the word "hell" in that discussion. MrX's generalizations in the diffs he provided are another of his attempts to prove misbehavior like what he has done with other editors who oppose his POV - this is about MrX systematically getting rid of his opposition, threatening them and making them afraid to edit for fear of being taken to AE - and all because he isn't getting his way as often as he'd like, and his comments prove he is disgruntled over it. His proposals and edits have not been gaining consensus the way he'd like for them to because other editors are actually providing sound reasoning & evidence in opposition - and that's why he chose to hat my discussion. He does not want that material in the article. And Tryp - your criticism about the religious aspects appears to be a misinterpretation on your part and that is not helpful to this discussion. Again - my iVote was a (conditional) Oppose - so please read more of that discussion before criticizing me over something I didn't do. If you're going to specifically call my comments toxic, please quote what I said that you believe to be "toxic", and I will gladly apologize and try to avoid doing it in the future. I'm not seeing it in any of those diffs. 17:52, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for making me waste 10 minutes at work, I could of been doing something useful like being snarky somewhere! PackMecEng (talk) 19:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I totally get it how something like that racoon can make someone's day miserable. Sorry that happened. I did not intend to call your comments "toxic", so I apologize if that's what it sounded like. My remark about "toxic" was about the entire topic area, intended to indicate that lots of editors were at fault and no one should think that, somehow, you were the trouble-maker. Beyond that, we can discuss this more when things are calmer. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:00, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Tryp - she was obviously a nursing momma, which melted my heart. I instructed my ranch hands to be careful with her, and to release her at the back of the ranch by the creek. Poor thing - she fought all the way. I'm confident that she'll find her way back to her babies. I just hope the experience will keep her from coming back. I've also made arrangements for a different style of outside container system to avoid waking-up in the wee hours to a menagerie of wild animals feasting on my back porch. 🤯 20:04, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I remember once a long time ago that a rabid racoon got into the back yard of my parents' house – no fun there either, but obviously for a different reason. Maybe you could hire those scary clowns in the photo above, to stay outside your house, to scare critters away, and probably scare a lot of people too! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Yes, its a hot topic arena and some play nicer than others...no one there is likely entirely innocent so I think of Romans 2:1 --MONGO18:05, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I googled Romans 2:1 to see what it says, and the page that came up first for me had a picture of a woman wearing a hijab as, apparently, the web page author. There must be some kind of message in there. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:09, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm going to think of the cute little puppies that whistle britches linked to - laughter and cuteness are good medicine - but please, I pray that no one keeps a diff of my comment here as evidence that I support fringe or alt med. 🙀 18:11, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm already working on my topic ban request at AE... You should have shown more respect to WP:FRINGE.
Seriously guys, the fighting is the problem, not a symptom of the problem. Stop the fighting and WHAMMO! American Politics is a fun topic to edit in again. So seriously, to everyone who hasn't already taken my advice: Go watch some puppy vids. We have drama boards for a reason: If it's not worth taking there, it's not worth saying anything about. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPantsTell me all about it.18:15, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the smiles!! This is how I want my TP to be all the time...a happy place!!! 18:29, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
MPants at work, the fighting is silly all around really, but inevitable when there are virtual SPAs that are here to do little more than find out ways to make Trump look as bad as possible, and much of that borders on BLP violations. One should think before they edit: do I dislike this person or their agenda so much that it will impact my ability to be neutral...and if the answer to that is yes, then they should find a new playground. BLP is not negotiable and while including the bad and the good is important, violating UNDUE and COATRACK is also policy/guideline violating. I really see no reason why these articles should suffer the immediacy of relying solely on current events headlines and craftily worded "news". A slow, deliberate quest to improve the articles should be the norm. I mean even if some find the subject reprehensible, they can rise above that by at least trying to be neutral, or they can vent their frustrations at some blog somewhere.--MONGO22:29, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Please don't tell the puppies this, because I wouldn't want to worry them, but there are just as many SPAs who want to make Trump look as good as possible. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:26, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Not that it really matters Atsme, but I'm disappointed that you see no fault in your participation in article talk page discussions, and at the same time, accuse me of making "unsupported allegations" (even though I provided diffs). Shame on you for claiming "this is about MrX systematically getting rid of his opposition" as if you know the operation of my mind, or my intentions. You response is riddled with contradictions, false assumptions, and an astounding lack of self-awareness even after multiple editors have called you out for your talk page conduct.
You claim that I'm disgruntled because I'm not getting my way. As it happens, I not here to "get my way". I'm here to collaborate with other editors to improve content. I don't consider editors with different POVs "opponents." You say that my "proposals and edits have not been gaining consensus" the way I'd like. It so happens, I'm delighted with my ability to influencing consensus by making proposals, debating the merits, citing sources, and compromising on the final product. I stand behind my response of "bullshit" to the counterfactual claim that "there was never a "calculated plan to ban Muslims from our shores"" inasmuch as I actually provided a link to a video of Trump saying “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.”
Because I care about Misplaced Pages and I care about truth, I won't stand by while you continue to discredit reliable sources, deal in alternative facts, disrupt process, engage in whataboutism, and gaslight the rest of us. Good luck to you. - MrX 🖋 23:49, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
"...even after multiple editors have called you out for your talk page conduct." And many more who have encountered her and her edits in the last three years have no problem with her talk page and editing conduct. Except for those who seem to have a different political bent than she does. While we are required to edit neutrally, there's no reason why editors can't interact neutrally, and many do. It's pretty obvious what side you are on when you use the same term ("alternative facts") that is used negatively by Liberal media in reference to Conservatives or "Trumpers". Maybe, rather than collecting diffs to clobber with at a later time and threatening editors who see politics and the world differently than you do, you could be more charitable, truly demonstrate you care about Misplaced Pages (as you say above) and try to work with others rather than battle with them. Continually. And that goes for the others who are on the same side you are and behave in the same manner. Frankly, I'm incredibly sick of the talk page "wars" and obstructionism that takes place moment to moment at the articles you and I and Atsme and several others have in common. God, aren't you sick of it, too? Don't you want to see things get better between everyone involved and everyone work well together, no matter the political leaning? If not, I have to wonder why. -- ψλ ● ✉✓03:03, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Some kale for you!
Hello! Tryptofish has given you some delicious kale to go along with whatever else you have! You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else some delicious kale! Enjoy! --Tryptofish (talk) 18:25, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I might, perhaps, have been thinking about a certain chicken sandwich instead of bacon. But there's no question that bacon makes kale taste better, and kale makes bacon more healthy. So here's to everyone coming together someday! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:41, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
My obvious next question is...which one of you caters? I'm willing to give kale a try, but not on my own. I remember trying to cook venison on my own. 🤮 20:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I cook a lobster and pasta dish with kale and bell peppers sauteed into it (olive oil, no tomatoes). It's rather good, if I say so myself. But no catering. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:48, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Uhm...careful about posting such material to my TP...it leaves my (talk page stalker) "wanting"...so on that note I'll ask...what if I cover your airfare & expenses to Bonaire? I have friends on-island who would be willing to help share the costs for a week of healthy food by an expert who understands the ins and outs of hippos and seahorses. 20:55, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Please discuss in talk instead of continuing to edit information that is clearly contentious. I'll start a section. (And I'll try to invite the unregistered editor also involved but his or her IP address changes sometimes so I don't know if he or she will see my message.) ElKevbo (talk) 14:08, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
I think I speak for many editors when I say your contributions and presence here are respected, cherished, and appreciated. It is a pleasure to edit with you, as your personality shines through. I find these attacks against you, and yes, they are attacks, to be totally against the spirit of Misplaced Pages. Mr Ernie (talk) 23:38, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement sanction
The following sanction now applies to you:
You are indefinitely topic banned from pages related to post-1932 American politics, broadly construed. Please read WP:TBAN to see what a topic ban is. You may appeal the ban using the process described below, but, after an initial appeal, should it be declined, you may not appeal again more often than every six months.
You have been sanctioned for long-time and damaging disruption of talkpages in the area, as laid out by MrXhere. For a detailed discussion of my reasons, please see my comment here.
You may appeal this sanction using the process described here. I recommend that you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template if you wish to submit an appeal to the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. You may also appeal directly to me (on my talk page), before or instead of appealing to the noticeboard. Even if you appeal this sanction, you remain bound by it until you are notified by an uninvolved administrator that the appeal has been successful. You are also free to contact me on my talk page if anything of the above is unclear to you. Bishonen | talk09:41, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
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What I do remember is not trusting my ability to keep up with the maintenance of a RB. I also did not venture into tech diving although my ex-significant other was all into deep diving and high flying, but not at the same time. My red line was drawn just north of operating lights and underwater housings for various cameras while still being able to check my computer (PSI, time left at depth), and remembering I was at least 50 to 75 ft. underwater. Like most others, I've heard the horror stories of rebreathers but the most compelling argument for me (on the plus side) was "no bubbles" which was paramount to u/w photography, so my curiosity never really waned. Soooo....what has changed over the past 20 years? 
I am most interested in cost & ease of maintenance, the products used, and cost of equipment. I'll be using it primarily on Bonaire which is still a NITROX dominate dive location. I've had 3 rather disconcerting episodes of skin bends, the 2nd of which required O2 but nothing in a deco chamber, so I limit my dives to 50 ft max., every two days if that much. 19:04, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
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--Tryptofish (talk) 18:09, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the smiles!! This is how I want my TP to be all the time...a happy place!!! 18:29, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
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Like. I'm packing my bags! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:06, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
- listen to Hotel California while viewing the alluring mysteries of the island. You may have to supply the kale. 21:17, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
