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EFC Africa is it worth it?

I just saw on WikiProject MMA on MMA organisations that need creating that Extreme Fighting Championship needs an article created. Is it worth recreating the article as the last time I supplied evidence that the organisation got high TV ratings and was the biggest MMA organisation in Africa. Dwanyewest (talk) 22:54, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

We do not need to create any articles, and should probably seek to delete most of the ones we have. Please wait until the coverage passes WP:SIGCOV in mainstream outlets beyond MMA-only outlets like Sherdog, MMAUnderground, and SBNation. Chris Troutman (talk) 21:41, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Picture on UFC Fighters that became Champion

Picture UFC Fighter (Champion or Former Champion) Plan I am here to introduce a Plan to have Pictures of the UFC Fighter who became Champ or former champ to have a picture on every single UFC Fighter Wikapedia page.

🥇BUSriderSFUser (talkcontribs) 21:18, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

As we get fair use, CC BY-SA, or public domain images they can be added. That's often not easy to do and it's not something I would trust you with, as you've uploaded an image without the proper permission. Chris Troutman (talk) 21:39, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
Under Creative Commons licences as long it valid it can be uploaded and use. Credit if user who started it if needed. It is what it is. 22:15, 2 April 2018 (UTC)🥇BUSriderSFUser (talkcontribs)
That response isn't even coherent. Chris Troutman (talk) 22:16, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
I re uploaded to new Picture that will comply with all Creative Commons Rules Regards 🥇BUSriderSFUser (talkcontribs) 22:18, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
Nope deleting that, too. You can't just grab images from the internet and upload them. The source of the photo has to unambiguously state that there's permission. Please read WP:CIR. Chris Troutman (talk) 22:33, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

@Chris troutman: I went a UFC Event were Max Halloway was in action took a record and picture on Phone, but quality maybe medium like. Is that one okay? 🥇BUSriderSFUser (talkcontribs) 02:54, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

If you took the picture then you can release it as public domain or CC BY-SA. I think we'd prefer a decent-looking picture, but a picture you're donating would be fine. Be advised that this is a community-consensus thing. Chris Troutman (talk) 04:28, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

CM PUNK UFC 225

@Chris troutman: https://en.wikipedia.org/Mike_Jackson_(fighter)#Mixed_martial_arts_record since the Former WWE Champion/Former WWE Superstar CM PUNK is Fighting Mike Johnson (fighter) why not give him a Misplaced Pages. Just to avoid confusion that CM Punk is not fighting Michael Jackson as the TMZ Report mistakenly said. 🥇BUSriderSFUser (talkcontribs) 04:52, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Professional Fighters League

With the Professional Fighters League getting its $1 million dollar tournaments running, they finally have a series of shows lined up. Unfortunately, the pages for events have been set up individually and this has already drawn issues. I think with it being a "seasonal" thing that maybe it would be better to set up a yearly page like Bellator MMA. That way all the events and point systems will be on one page. Thoughts? Udar55 (talk) 15:45, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Styles

User:PRehse, User:InedibleHulk, User:Ppt1973,User:Papaursa,User:Gsfelipe94,User:Psycho-Krillin, User:Kevlar, User:Brusinggiant, User:Evertonfc13, User:Udar55, User:CASSIOPEIA

In a previous discussion, we discussed the idea of removing the styles param from the MMA infobox completely, since it has been misused, and with the evolution of the sport, most people don't really even have a particular style anymore. I wanted to get a consencous to remove the parameter entirely. Thoughts? TBMNY (talk) 12:50, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

  • If removing is 1 and keeping is 10, I'm a 6.5 right now. Whena fighter has a solid background in a martial art / combat sport, having a styles parameter can be useful (although some styles can be mentioned in the rank parameter, there are others without proper ranks - like boxing). A possible solution could be having a "background" parameter to replace styles. Psycho-Krillin (talk) 01:48, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
I think replacing it with something like "background" would be fine. I'm generally in agreement with the notion that "style" could get over- or mis-used, and with the growth and development of mma, it's less and less relevant. However, I do still think it's relevant and useful for the reader to know that someone like Wonderboy Thompson is by and large a karate guy, and someone like Demian Maia is basically a jiu-jitsu guy. Not sure if there is a hard-and-fast way to designate when it's a valid use, but if someone has a notable pedigree in a particular martial arts field, I think it's worth including in the infobox. --Wikisian (talk) 04:41, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
@Wikisian: That's already solved by the ranks param. TBMNY (talk) 10:16, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
A rename to "background" is fair; that's probably a more accurate label. I think the consensus for inclusion of a 'style' was a) notable Olympic/World Championship accomplishments, or b) having competed as a professional, in that discipline. Just being a guy known for being nifty in jiu-jitsu, for example, is not enough. --SubSeven (talk) 05:13, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
I think if someone's established to the point of mattering in a particular discipline, that will be clear enough by the Rank field. Removing Style is preferable to me, for reasons mentioned by others here. Any mixed martial artist with Misplaced Pages notability is safely assumed to use boxing, wrestling and jiu-jitsu to some degree by default, regardless of belts or medals to show for it. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:29, June 16, 2018 (UTC)
I would say "rank" wouldn't seem to incorporate notable experience in areas of wrestling or boxing or Muay Thai or even American kickboxing, really. So I'm curious what the thought is on how that would be handled. It looks like notable experience in those areas was the original intention of "styles" anyway. So are we saying that's no longer worth mentioning in the infobox? I noticed there is an actual "wrestling" parameter, but it doesn't look like it's being used in the way it was intended either. There's also the question of the "martial art" parameter, and what is the intended difference between that and "style." --Wikisian (talk) 06:19, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
@Wikisian: Wrestling is solved already by the Wrestling param. Muay Thai, boxing, and kickboxing accomplishments is solved by the records, which are already in the infobox, too. TBMNY (talk) 16:23, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
@TBMNY: I mentioned the wrestling parameter, and how it doesn't look like it's being used in the way it was intended, just as you're saying "style" isn't. And also as I said, there is a question of the "martial art" parameter, and what is the intended difference between that and "style." --Wikisian (talk) 02:37, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
@Wikisian: In what way is the wrestling param not being used correctly?
I agree with removing the parameter. It is a magnet for original research and cruft. And as noted all MMA fighters use a variety of techniques and any particular style they've specialized probably is covered elsewhere. Much is gained by getting rid of it and little is lost. SQGibbon (talk) 17:51, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I have no objection to removing that parameter. It has often been a subject of dispute and OR. The martial arts a fighter has seriously studied can be listed in the article, assuming they can be documented. Papaursa (talk) 22:54, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Weight numbers in infoboxes

User:PRehse, User:InedibleHulk, User:Ppt1973,User:Papaursa,User:Gsfelipe94,User:Psycho-Krillin, User:Kevlar, User:Brusinggiant, User:Evertonfc13, User:Udar55

User:CASSIOPEIA has been putting weight class numbers in MMA infoboxes, which he claims are there because they're in ] guidelines, despite the fact that a consensus was never reached on that particular part of the guideline, and hasn't ever been used. Additionally, the weights he has been using are actually not even correct. He is listing lightweight as 145-155, when it just isn't true. I would try to give you his reasoning for the sake of balance, but I haven't been able to get an answer out of him to be honest, so he's more than welcome to give his reasoning for intentionally putting wrong numbers in the biographies. Anyway, I'm making this because I want to get a consensus to remove all the weight-class numbers, since the weight classes themselves are suffice (especially since they're clickable), Thanks. TBMNY (talk) 06:08, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Greetings to all. Pls note weight range is as per WP:MMA/MOS (open the syntax to view) and please see per conclusion from admin as the guidelines in the page existed fo 8+ year with no disagreement/debate from MMA community that would considered it is accepted (not by word but othe editor's words - pls read the ANI message link provided above, advising user TBMNY's disagreement/suggestion to the WikiProject MMA talk page as the comments from other editors as well as the admin pointed to the same conclusion. I mainly follow what the example given by the guidelines and stated time and time again, whatever consensus agreement decision I will follow. It is disappointing that when user TBMNY questions my edit and I reply "immediately" within one minute time frame, TBMNY didnt not check the guidelines links I provided and / or have a dialog or communication or assume good faith especially toward an active and regular MMA contribution as myself and report my action to ANI, . (pls see the ANI comment by all editors and admins). I have stated time and time again same as all the editors and admin, bring the suggestions/disagreement to WikiProject MMA talk page and seek consensus agreements if changes is needed and I am happy to follow without qualm. It is the guidelines stated example of such and not my invention and I merely follow what is written and the example provided, I should not be the target of ANI report but it should be a talk page discussion and agreement. I disagree with some of guidelines in Misplaced Pages, but I dont go against what the guidelines and edit what I think is correct / what I want. My sole opinions and thoughts do not count as this is Misplaced Pages, but mass agreed consensus is the how it works here. If one feels so strongly that a guidelines should be changed/updated, pls state and justify the case and seek consensus agreements of the masses.
This is the link of my messagew to TBMNY but they didnt comment nor reply - Conor McGregor,‬ Khabib Nurmagomedov and Noticeboard. And pls note I am not at war with TBMNY here - all All I say are
  1. I just mainly follow what the guidelines and example given,
  2. I didnt invent or written the guidelines which stated 8+year ago
  3. changes/suggestion of guidelines/example do need mass consensus agreement
  4. whatever the mass MMA community decision if a guidelines should change/amend/modify/delete, I am happy to follow.
  • In the weightclass field, try to include the name of the division and the ranges. Example: (pls open syntax box to view)
syntax
|weightclass=] (185–205 lb)
Light heavyweight (185–205 lb)
Thank you. CASSIOPEIA 06:53, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
Nobody opposed the guidelines because nobody even knew that that specific guideline even existed or used them until you started using them. Even though those guidelines are there, there was no consensus to add those. So there's no consensus to add them, but you say there has to be a consensus to remove them. Don't you see the logical flaw in that? There should be consensus both ways. Additionally, since Misplaced Pages is based on verifiability, even if a Wiki project has a guideline for something that is false, you should not follow follow it. Wiki projects are not rules that must be followed. Since I'm sure you would admit that the weights listed are incorrect, why are you going out of your way to edit hundreds of articles with false information? Nothing about how this website works would say that's a good decision. TBMNY (talk) 07:11, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
I agree with you. They should be removed. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 11:17, 14 July 2018 (UTC)



User:PRehse, User:InedibleHulk, User:Ppt1973,User:Papaursa,User:Gsfelipe94,User:Psycho-Krillin, User:Kevlar, User:Brusinggiant, User:Evertonfc13, User:Udar55 - TBMNY Greetings to all. Pls see below to TBMNY comments
1. Nobody opposed the guidelines because nobody even knew that that specific guideline even existed or used them until you started using them.
comment by CASS: could you provide proves or history diff or comments of the above please? User:PRehse and User:Papaursa have been around for a long time, if changes to guidelines on MMA page, they might notice or aware what are on the guidelines
2. Even though those guidelines are there, there was no consensus to add those.
comment by CASS: could you provide proves or history diff or comments of the above please? or merely your opinion here?
3. Additionally, since Misplaced Pages is based on verifiability, even if a Wiki project has a guideline for something that is false, you should not follow follow it.
pls see below verifiability. MMA unified rules is governed by Association of Boxing Commissions and Combative Sports (ABC).Please see the below tables for weight ranges indicated by ABC (145–155 Ib) and not ((146–155 Ib) and other organisation. As you claimed that the lower weight ranges should be one pound on the higher limit (146–155 Ib) instead of (145–155 Ib) for Lightweight, (186–205 Ib) instead of (185–205 Ib) for Light heavyweight and so forth and so on, then please provide source for verification so we may learn.
4. Wiki projects are not rules that must be followed
comment by CASS: WikiProject has guidelines and not rules which all Wikipedians follow. If in case such guidelines might not apply/flaw/contradict/etc, then one can boldly edit them; however, if other editors think otherwise, then discussion should follow. Should no consensus among the small parties could be achieved then go to WikiProject talk page and state the case and seek consensus agreement. Should one find one opinion above all then maybe creating a personal blog and set own rules would be appropriate.
5. Since I'm sure you would admit that the weights listed are incorrect
comment by CASS: as I said time and time again - I did not agree not I disagree on the weight ranges - I merely apply them; however as of now I would case a vote on the weight ranges indicated with the justification and verification the table below. To say will happily follow the that consensus agreement if community vote different that of mine
6. Nothing about how this website works would say that's a good decision
comment by CASS: so far, you are the only one that find this disagreeable, for those who (2 editors) revert my edits, I have post the guidelines link to them and I heard nothing from them so far after


# Organisation Name Info Reference
1 Association of Boxing Commissions and Combative Sports (ABC) Unified Weight Classes – MMA
2 New Jesyey State Athletic Control Board Submit comments by November 2, 2002 to:
3 International Mixed Martial Arts Association MIXED MARTIAL ARTS UNIFIED RULES FOR AMATEUR COMPETITION - as per March 2017 (on page 8)
4 MMA referee.com Unified Rules - Learn the Rules of MMA
5 MMA Fighting.com As per June 2008 on Association of Boxing commision updated Unified Rules of MMA
6 UFC Canada 2.Weight Divisions


# Weight classes organisation URL
1 Flyweight under 125.9 pounds

Bantamweight 126 lbs. - 134.9 pounds
Featherweight 135 lbs. - 144.9 pounds
Lightweight 145 lbs. - 154.9 pounds
Welterweight 155 lbs. - 169.9 pounds
Middleweight 170 lbs. - 184.9 pounds
Light Heavyweight 185 lbs. - 204.9 pounds
Heavyweight 204 lbs. - 264.9 pounds
Super Heavyweight over 265 pounds

(2) New Jesyey State Athletic Control Board
2 Straw-weight under 115 pounds

Flyweight over 115 to 125 pounds
Bantamweight over 125 to 135 pounds
Featherweight over 135 to 145 pounds
Lightweight over 145 to 155 pounds
Welterweight over 155 to 170 pounds
Middleweight over 170 to 185 pounds
Light Heavyweight over 185 to 205 pounds
Heavyweight over 205 to 265 pounds
Super Heavyweight over 265 pounds

(1) Associatin of Boxing Commissions and Combative Sports

(3) International Mixed Martial Arts Association
(4) MMA referee.com
(6) UFC Canada

; ; ;
3 Flyweight (Up to 105 pounds)

Super Flyweight (Over 105.1 to 115 lbs)
Bantamweight (Over 115.1 to 125 lbs)
Super Bantamweight (Over 125.1 to 135 lbs)
Featherweight (Over 135.1 to 145 lbs)
Lightweight (Over 145.1 to 155 lbs)
Super Lightweight (Over 155.1 to 165 lbs)
Welterweight (Over 165.1 to 175 lbs)
Super Welterweight (Over 175.1 to 185 lbs)
Middleweight (Over 185.1 to 195 lbs)
Super Middleweight (Over 195.1 to 205 lbs)
Light Heavyweight (Over 205.1 to 225 lbs)
Heavyweight (Over 225.1 to 265 lbs)
Super Heavyweight (Over 265.1 pounds)

(5) MMA Fighting.com "Unified Rules of MMA now includes 14 weight classes". MMA Fighting. Retrieved 2018-07-14.</ref>


This is the ANI launched by TBMNY

What the fuck are you doing? You're just putting a bunch of random clutter to make this section unreadable. You should shorten it so I even know what you're saying. TBMNY (talk) 20:55, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Mass changes to maybe hundreds of articles without consensus or reason

This is not an admin issue at all it is a content problem which is outside the scope of this page. This is better discussed at the Wikiproject. ~ GB fan 11:33, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


CASSIOPEIA had made MANY edits to MMA biographies without any real reason of consensus, and there are far to many for me to reasonably revert. In his description, it links to an essay that has nothing to do with his changes whatsoever. Can something be done about this? Thanks. TBMNY (talk) 08:45, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

TBMNY The changes is as per WikiProject Mixed martial arts -Weight ranges - under WP:MMA/MOS - open the syntax boxes to view. - copy from WikiProject MMA guideline as below:
  • In the weightclass field, try to include the name of the division and the ranges. Example:
syntax
|weightclass=] (185–205 lb)
Light heavyweight (185–205 lb)


Thank you. CASSIOPEIA 08:50, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Your link doesn't point to the guidance.Nigel Ish (talk) 09:01, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Nigel Ish Hi Greetings. update the the link as above. see here - WikiProject Mixed martial arts -Weight ranges - under WP:MMA/MOS - open the syntax boxes to view. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA 09:10, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
That infobox is from 2009, and was never added with consensus. It was just someone decided to add that. We had been doing it the same way forever. Why did you feel the need to add useless clutter? Oh yeah, also, all the numbers you put are wrong. For example, you put lightweight as 145-155 lbs but it's not. It's 146-155. Every single you edit you did is wrong TBMNY (talk) 09:33, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
TBMNY, If it is posted since 2009 which is about 8 + years ago and no one disagree/ change / debate about it (if it is not consensus in the first place - but I don know it is or not), but info is still there and I dont think I do anything harmful to the article as I just follow the guidelines as they are posted under WP:MMA/MOS of WikiProject Mixed martial arts and also different combat sport has different weight ranges even sometimes the name are the same. The example in the syntax section stated the number as (185–205 Ib) for MMA Light heavyweight class and not (186–205 Ib) which would translate to (145-155 Ib) for MMA lightweight class and not (146-155 Ib). I didnt invent all the above or go against anyone here as I said I just follow the guidelines. Lastly, when you questioned me, I replied to your talk page immediately and yet without discussion. reply nor see my explanation, you brought this to ANI as I thought communication is the key in Misplaced Pages to understand things better before jump in here in ANI. CASSIOPEIA 12:06, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Is there any reason why this discussion needs to be here rather than at the MMA Wikiproject? This seems to be a debate about the contents of the MMA MoS.Nigel Ish (talk) 12:38, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Nigel Ish May be TBMNY could answer the question as they brought this here. If the guidelines are there for 8+ years, yet no discussion to change/debate/disagree in MMA WikiProject and I mainly follow the guidelines, I dont understand why this is raised here nor what harm have I done to the articles. CASSIOPEIA 12:58, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
I am sorry but if they've been there for eight years then they are established guidelines, by not addressing them the project accepted them. The fact that the data added is wrong is a different matter, but there shoud not be a case raised for following the guideline that has been there for 8 years.  MPJ-DK  01:30, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Project guidelines usually come from the agreement of the project members on project talk page and and final agreement content will then place in the guidelines sections. As TBMNY claimed someone just placed them there without consensus agreement, then they might have read through all the project talk page to know that and if so, pls provide link so we may learn from it. Even if the project talk page do not have such topic of discussion, and the guidelines existed there for 8+ years without any challenge/ debate/disagreement, and I mainly follow have written on the guidelines, of what faults have I committed here? I am one of the NPP and AFC reviewers, and often check notability guidelines for subjects of the articles, I dont go through all the Misplaced Pages notability talk page or history to check if the guidelines are consensus agreed 2 days ago or 10 years ago, if any reviewers have to do that, then I dont think we could do any reviewing at all. We take what is written in the Misplaced Pages guidelines pages as what they are. I have worked with TBMNY on a few occasions as both of us are MMA editors, where they provided the URL and I did the inline citations and we thanked each other on that occasions. TBMNY edited on MMA related page sometimes but contributed many images of the fighters. I am one of the half dozen active editors working on MMA articles especially UFC related events/ and fighters. I have created close to 40 MMA event articles and about 60 MMA fighters articles in Misplaced Pages. I have also heavily updated MMA articles' content and in List of current UFC fighters alone I have contributed over 1,800 edits, requested many MMA related pages for protection and reported/fighting vandalized edits in MMA pages. Any editors are welcome to check my claims above as all editors' edits are transparent to all in Misplaced Pages. What I am tried to illustrate here is that I have no intention of harming any articles in Misplaced Pages or work against consensus agreements nor I am here to have war with TBMNY, but would be nice to receive "assume good faith" approach from TBMNY as we both are MMA editors and have a civil discussion and check the guidelines in the first place instead of coming to ANI without read my explanation on their talk page. If TBMNY deems guidelines need to change/amend, then bring such discussion to the project talk page. I am happy to follow the consensus agreements. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA 16:39, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
The problem is that these edits are disrputive and I doubt you'll remove all of them because of how long it would take. Again, even if we were to assume that the weights should be listed (which I don't), the numbers are still completely wrong. So unless you're willing to remove every single one of them manually, I figured this would be the best place to get them removed en masse. TBMNY (talk) 21:38, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
TBMNY Hi and good day. If the guidelines stated as such with example, and I merely follow, there are no disruptive edits here. If you think the number should stated from one pound lower from current example on the lower weight limit range, then take it to the WikiProject MMA talk page. I understand your reasoning, some editors would agree with you but other will not and both side will present their reasons, but do note again, I didnt invent all this, it is in the guidelines and I merely follow what should be done. You might not like the way the guidelines layout or what should be included, then take it to the project but not to the editor who follow it. It is like saying only American English spelling should be used but Misplaced Pages stated any variances of English spelling are acceptable and follow the spelling as the content, yet editor would take the case to ANI stating the editor who performed the edit is disruptive instead of reading the guidelines and communicate with the editor first and bringing your suggestion to the talk page to gain mass consensus. Your target should be the talk page and not the editor who merely follow guidelines. Without read my message nor check the guidelines first and bringing this to ANI without assume good faith from an active editor as you might not agree/like the guidelines is not a spirit of an Wikipedian and for your to go against the guidelines to remove the edits that would be disruptive, an act to be cautioned to perform to avoid the implication it entails.
I do not know the initial reason of why the weight ranges were established in the MMA guidelines but do note fighters have competed not only in one specific combat sport but two or multiple disciplines such as Holly Holm, who have competed in Boxing and MMA, Mackenzie Dern and Fabrício Werdum in MMA and Jui-Jitsu or Mark Hunt and Alistair Overeem in MMA and kickboxing and etc. Sometimes, diff combat sport have diff weight classes and even the weight classes name are the same. And if a promoter would like to introduce their own weight classes, nothing prevents them from doing so as long as the fights are fought under the organisation and do not need to adhere to "association/federation/unification rules" of other country such as USA. To specify the weight range and sport specific weight range (if known) would be beneficial for record keeping and correctness of the article. If you look at professional boxing - see here Professional boxing, different weight classes added through since 1884 and with different weight classes name from different sanction bodies, for such, Misplaced Pages has defined the weight classes of it own to consolidate the confusion - see here - MOS:BOXING/WEIGHT. As for another example Wrestling here - amateur Wrestling weight classes vs Professional wrestling weight classes where different promoters in different countries have different weight classes. We could go on to see this type of weight classes differences in other combat sport, such as MMA, Jiu-jitsu, Karate, Sumbo, judo and etc. Since this is Misplaced Pages, we follow what Misplaced Pages WikiProject of that particular sport guidelines. For MMA we follow WP:MMA guidelines. Please note that some combat sports define weight classes by their upper limit; however in MMA WikiProject guidelines require the input of "weight ranges". Should you deem it is unnecessary then, bring it to WikiProject MMA to suggest the guidelines change and seek consensus agreement, just as many times editors suggest Bellator MMA to be included in teir one organisation instead of tier two especially after Rory MacDonald, Gegard Mousasi and Ryan Bader made the move to join Bellator from UFC with the result of no avail.
I understand you merely to protect the Misplaced Pages articles just I am as a Misplaced Pages vandalism fighter and would arguable to say I am the most actively vandalism fighter in MMA content related pages in Misplaced Pages and you are the other mirror on fighter images copyright watcher, but this is not the way to do it, instead seek collaboration and understanding by civil communication as it is the right way to go especially we both do work and actively involve on the same WikiProject. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA 04:19, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
No, there is nobody who would agree that the weight classes start where you put them. It's not up for debate. It's just a matter of fact. You know better than this. The pages you're linking to (Lightweight (MMA)), for example, even state the proper weight class (146-155), yet you put 145-155. There is not a single person who would argue that 145 is lightweight, and you know that. Just own up to your mistake. This is super cut and dry. There's no disputing this. TBMNY (talk) 07:43, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
TBMNY I am not arguing with you at all, if you read carefully. I merely said, to and seek consensus agreement if guidelines is to be changed. Your reason of I follow the guidelines is mistake which I have to own is flaw and you target the wrong person when I am only follow the guidelines which irregardless whether I agree or not of what is put on the guideline page. The guidelines change is not the merely your or my opinion but the community even the Misplaced Pages founder Jimmy Wales / Jimbo needed to seek community consensus recently to put up a banner on EN Misplaced Pages page regarding EU copyright directive bill would effect the existence of EU Misplaced Pages. Bring all your disagreements /suggestions of MMA guidelines to WikiProject MMA talk page, as I said before, I am happy to follow the consensus agreement of which ever which result turns out. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA 11:25, 12 July 2018 (UTC)


If you'e not disagreeing about the weights being wrong, why did you put them there? There's no guideline that says to use the wrong weights. TBMNY (talk) 11:32, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


References

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  2. "Unified Weight Classes – MMA – Association of Boxing Commissions". www.abcboxing.com. Retrieved 2018-07-14.
  3. "Unified Weight Classes – MMA – Association of Boxing Commissions". www.abcboxing.com. Retrieved 2018-07-14.
  4. "NJ State Athletic Control Board - Proposed Rules - Rules Governing Boxing, Extreme Wrestling and Sparring Exhibitions and Performance Bond Procedure". www.nj.gov. Retrieved 2018-07-14.
  5. . http://www.immaf.org. Archived from the original (PDF) on July 14, 2018. Retrieved July 14, 2018. {{cite web}}: Check |archive-url= value (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help); External link in |website= (help)
  6. "Unified Rules - Learn the Rules of MMA | C.O.M.M.A.N.D." www.mmareferee.com. Retrieved 2018-07-14.
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