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	You made this (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Special:MobileDiff/853542028) reversion saying "No reliable sources" but my edit was adding sources for several alumnus. Was there a problem with the sources? ] (]) 05:54, 10 September 2018 (UTC)		You made this (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Special:MobileDiff/853542028) reversion saying "No reliable sources" but my edit was adding sources for several alumnus. Was there a problem with the sources? ] (]) 05:54, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

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			Similar question with regard to your at ], where you call 'fancruft' although all the links are blue. Is there a reason why you think this town, in contrast to all other towns, cannot possibly be the home of notable people? ] (]) 12:37, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

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Downers Grove, Illinois Page

I would like to explain my edits that you undid on the Downers Grove, Illinois page. I worked at the Downers Grove Museum for a year, spending a great deal of time scouring through primary and secondary sources related to the Village. After reviewing Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines, I learned that Misplaced Pages does not accept unpublished sources, so I understand why you reverted my edits. However, I do not believe my sources are "crap local historical society work," nor do I consider myself biased just because I formerly worked with a municipality related to the Village. I am a dedicated local historian trying to better inform readers of the Misplaced Pages page. You questioned my addition of information about the origin of Downers Grove's name - Pierce Downer settling at a grove of trees in 1832 - but that is how the town got its name, according to several contemporary published sources in that period.

I could greatly use your advice on how I can to productively contribute to the article using my knowledge of sources related to the topic. What makes a published book a reliable historical source in Misplaced Pages's eyes? Are there things I should look for? Would I contribute more positively if I tracked down the information from my unpublished source in the published sources they cited? What is trivial historical information vs. Misplaced Pages-important information? Zbishop139 (talk) 05:41, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Lack of Respect!

John from Idegon on April 2017 you reverted a change to the Detroit Catholic Central page. "If you use Misplaced Pages for soapboxing, promotion or advertising again, as you did at Detroit Catholic Central High School, you may be blocked from editing without further notice."7 John from Idegon (talk) 01:01, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

I am sorry, who are you?

I am a 1988 Graduate of Detroit Catholic Central. There was no promotion or advertising. I am a proud alumni (Father and 2 Brothers also graduated from CC) and was elected as President of the National Association of Appraisers which is the largest professional trade organization for real estate appraisers in the United States.

Explain to me why this is not a legitimate edit to the Detroit Catholic Central Misplaced Pages page and specifically in the Notable Alumni?

Regards,

John T. Dingeman — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdingeman (talk • contribs) 17:51, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Jdingeman, exactly who is it you think I need to be? User:John from Idegon will tell you everything you need to know about what I do on Misplaced Pages. Perhaps you may want to check a bit and see if your perception of what Misplaced Pages is matches with reality before you come to my, or any other Misplaced Pages editors' talk page with another attitude laden and entirely incorrect message. Which by the way you need to sign by typing four tildes at the end. John from Idegon (talk) 19:45, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Please can you look at this

Hi John, hope things are well - please could you take a look at this school - I've cleaned up the infobox and removed unnecessary external links but the article is completely unsourced and there's a quite bit of information that is not needed and needs to be removed. You know what to do best, if you could take a look, would really appreciate it, thank you Steven (Editor) (talk) 20:42, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi. I didn't see any good way to rework it, so I stubbed it. I'll put NCES data in it so it has a reference. Steven (Editor), if you feel ambitious, perhaps you could look up Maryland's athletic authority and use it to build an athletic section? If not, I'll get to it when I get to it. John from Idegon (talk) 22:11, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Ah John, you did a great job, thank you so much Steven (Editor) (talk) 18:53, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Joanne Garvey

I am relatively new to editing and creating pages. I understand that the new page I created for Draft:Joanne M. Garvey (attorney) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) could use some work as well as additional independent secondary sources. However, I am at a loss for who could possibly rise to the level of Notability? Garvey was an amazing woman, and her accomplishments should be recorded for posterity on Misplaced Pages. She was the first woman on the State Bar of California Board of Governors, she was the first female president of the Bar Association of San Francisco, she formed the California Women Lawyers, and was the founder of the State Bar of California Taxation Section. I could do some additional research, and could add some additional cites, but I do not know how to address a subjective claim that she is not "notable." Let me be clear, I have no conflict and am not being compensated. I am passionate about recognizing some of the top tax attorneys in the United States. Please help me to understand this new "deletionist" movement, and whether I should bother trying to write about notable attorneys. TaxPapa (talk) 04:59, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

You, like many newcomers to Misplaced Pages, have a misconception of how it works. It's your applied standard of importance that is subjective. Our standard for inclusion, notability, is quite objective. As the person wanting the new content in the encyclopedia, it is up to you to show it. Have you read WP:My first article? I'd strongly suggest you do so. You also have a link to the Teahouse on your talk page. After reading the items linked here, along with WP:RS, WP:ANYBIO and WP:5P, you can ask there for clarification on the policies and guidelines. Neither myself, or any other article reviewer, is going to do your research for you. Your statement on your userpage illustrates the depth of your misunderstanding. Until you have a clue as to how clueless your above post sounds, please don't waste my time. John from Idegon (talk) 05:22, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

List of schools in Reading, Berkshire and List of schools in Wokingham

Hi John from Idegon, sorry to see you are having some health issues. Don't worry about replying to this if you are busy, but if you have time I wondered if you could advise me.

User has added non-schools to these two articles. I have reverted once and user has reverted back. I don't want to get into an edit war and am not sure how best to engage with this user to reach consensus. Is there a policy I can point to? Can you advise?

Best wishes, Tacyarg (talk) 07:05, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Tacyarg. I looked and have no idea what's right or wrong with either. I do next to nothing with British topics. Perhaps ClemRutter, one of the co-coordinators for WP:WPSCH would be of more help. Or possibly Steven (Editor), who also works on British schools. Sorry. John from Idegon (talk) 00:57, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks, that's really helpful - thanks for the suggestions. Tacyarg (talk) 07:33, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Sock Strike

Hi there, I have removed the socks comment per Misplaced Pages:Dealing_with_sock_puppets#Cleaning_up_after_a_sock_puppet_is_blocked. This is just to inform you. regards. --DBig Xrayᗙ 09:50, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Weird Florida Schools

Hi John! Just a comment on Lakeland Senior High School (Florida), where you removed a notable, noting she attended Lois Cowles Harrison Center for the Visual and Performing Arts rather than LHS...We have this weird setup in Florida where we have schools-within-schools. Every student at Harrison is by definition a student at LHS, but not necessarily the other way around. Some schools have as many as 5 of these schools-within-schools. Weird, huh? Anyway, just wanted to let you know if the editor pushes back they are definitely operating in good faith. Jacona (talk) 17:30, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Mobius Motors

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I don't understand why you have decided to mark my Edit on Mobius Motors as promotional, I have done a lot of research on automotive companies on Misplaced Pages and am positive my article does not feature any promotional information. In any case, remove the sections with promotion-like information rather than reverting a whole article, which I have worked very hard to improve over the last couple of weeks. There is very little information about Kenya and Africa, and Wikimedia has recently been mobilizing us African writers to provide more content about our continent. Now I may not be a Misplaced Pages gurus (like you are), but am trying to create more awareness about my country Kenya. Mobius Motors is the first automotive company in the country, I need to make their Misplaced Pages profile as good as possible. You sir are frustrating my efforts Peggit (talk) 03:40, 7 September 2018 (UTC) It is very insensitive of you to revert changes, remove the bad parts within the article instead. Peggit (talk) 03:44, 7 September 2018 (UTC) It's all bad. You've entirely esased all the previous content without consensus, and it's malformed. Many of your sources are poor. This is not how you go about editing an article.Competence is required. Your edits are totally incompetent. You do not have a "right" to add stuff to Misplaced Pages. When you signed up for an account, you agreed to follow Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines. You are not. John from Idegon (talk) 03:58, 7 September 2018 (UTC) Is it possible that you think my sources are poor because they are not from credible news sources in US? See, I just don't think you are in a position to determine that. This is an article about Kenya, written in Kenya, it affects Kenyans (being about their first and only local automaker and all that), by a Kenyan, using Kenyan sources. You are not in a position to decide that my sources are bad. As for changing everything, I had written the earlier article, but it was too hasty. I've gone back to the drawing board, done my research properly, verified my sources, and generally improved the article. I am quite flummoxed that you claim the article is of poorer quality than the earlier one. Because I wrote both articles, I made a point to compare them side by side just now, there is no way the earlier one was better. Even a grammarly check gives a higher score to the most recent article. Peggit (talk) 04:15, 7 September 2018 (UTC) Now that's rich. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peggit (talk • contribs) 04:19, 7 September 2018 (UTC) Playing the race/ethnicity card is a ploy used when you have no other argument, and I won't entertain it. I've left you a note on your talk detailing why your addition as you've made it can never be acceptable. Deal with that, or not. I'd strongly suggest you not change the article again until you cool down and try to absorb what I've told you. I have no agenda other than protecting the wiki. Your snide insinuations are out of place and a violation of a two pillar policies. Please do not post here again. John from Idegon (talk) 04:31, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

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I don't understand why you have decided to mark my Edit on Mobius Motors as promotional, I have done a lot of research on automotive companies on Misplaced Pages and am positive my article does not feature any promotional information. In any case, remove the sections with promotion-like information rather than reverting a whole article, which I have worked very hard to improve over the last couple of weeks. There is very little information about Kenya and Africa, and Wikimedia has recently been mobilizing us African writers to provide more content about our continent. Now I may not be a Misplaced Pages gurus (like you are), but am trying to create more awareness about my country Kenya. Mobius Motors is the first automotive company in the country, I need to make their Misplaced Pages profile as good as possible. You sir are frustrating my efforts Peggit (talk) 03:40, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

It is very insensitive of you to revert changes, remove the bad parts within the article instead. Peggit (talk) 03:44, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

It's all bad. You've entirely esased all the previous content without consensus, and it's malformed. Many of your sources are poor. This is not how you go about editing an article.Competence is required. Your edits are totally incompetent. You do not have a "right" to add stuff to Misplaced Pages. When you signed up for an account, you agreed to follow Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines. You are not. John from Idegon (talk) 03:58, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Is it possible that you think my sources are poor because they are not from credible news sources in US? See, I just don't think you are in a position to determine that. This is an article about Kenya, written in Kenya, it affects Kenyans (being about their first and only local automaker and all that), by a Kenyan, using Kenyan sources. You are not in a position to decide that my sources are bad. As for changing everything, I had written the earlier article, but it was too hasty. I've gone back to the drawing board, done my research properly, verified my sources, and generally improved the article. I am quite flummoxed that you claim the article is of poorer quality than the earlier one. Because I wrote both articles, I made a point to compare them side by side just now, there is no way the earlier one was better. Even a grammarly check gives a higher score to the most recent article. Peggit (talk) 04:15, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Now that's rich. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peggit (talk • contribs) 04:19, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Playing the race/ethnicity card is a ploy used when you have no other argument, and I won't entertain it. I've left you a note on your talk detailing why your addition as you've made it can never be acceptable. Deal with that, or not. I'd strongly suggest you not change the article again until you cool down and try to absorb what I've told you. I have no agenda other than protecting the wiki. Your snide insinuations are out of place and a violation of a two pillar policies. Please do not post here again. John from Idegon (talk) 04:31, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

September 2018

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Majik Ninja Entertainment. Ritchie333 09:51, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Red link

There is multiple issues with adding this person to Northwestern High School (Indiana) of which I only listed one. The citation you added helped some, but no where in it does it say she attended the school. Jackfork (talk) 05:22, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Fisrt off, she is a he. I tagged it citation needed for attendance. Dude was a star high school basketball player in a state where high school basketball players are worshiped only slightly less than Jesus. The needed source is easily available. I'll look for it tomorrow. It's bedtime now. Please note that your explanation (WP:TOOSOON) was completely off the mark. The guy has been notable for certain for 8 years now. Not all redlinks are bad. John from Idegon (talk) 06:20, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Snyder

Thanks for keeping an eye out for bogus notable alum listings. I honestly don't believe Snyder is notable, but I did verify he is indeed a 1959 graduate of the school: http://www.donslist.net/CACHE/1536400/TAHS1959_0067.jpg. Most of the school's yearbooks are available online. I re-added his info. Do you think he's notable? 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:3059:8016:5847:3E43 (talk) 09:29, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

I have no idea what you are talking about. Please see note ar the top of the page before responding. Thanks.John from Idegon (talk) 09:32, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Edgar Snyder on Taylor Allderdice High School. 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:3059:8016:5847:3E43 (talk) 09:34, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Discussion about this at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:3059:8016:5847:3E43 (talk) 03:15, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Question regarding why you reverted my edit?

You made this (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Special:MobileDiff/853542028) reversion saying "No reliable sources" but my edit was adding sources for several alumnus. Was there a problem with the sources? Botlord (talk) 05:54, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Calabasas

Similar question with regard to your revert at Calabasas, where you call 'fancruft' although all the links are blue. Is there a reason why you think this town, in contrast to all other towns, cannot possibly be the home of notable people? Almond Plate (talk) 12:37, 10 September 2018 (UTC)