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:Ah, I didn't see that. I saw the album ratings template in other TV articles before implementing it here. The consensus is three years old, mostly about a different template and a few editors who didn't contribute to that have recently contributed to its inclusion so it might be a good idea to have a new discussion. ] (]) 06:41, 11 October 2018 (UTC) :Ah, I didn't see that. I saw the album ratings template in other TV articles before implementing it here. The consensus is three years old, mostly about a different template and a few editors who didn't contribute to that have recently contributed to its inclusion so it might be a good idea to have a new discussion. ] (]) 06:41, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

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Since you're fairly new, I'm just going to assume you're not completely familiar with Misplaced Pages's guidelines. See WP:MOS for the general one, and maybe WP:VG/MOS for the one specifically on video games.

Right now, Disney Infinity: Marvel Super Heroes has a section called "Additional content". There is no other section about "content". I've also said before that the Playsets and Toy Box expansions are already covered in the release table, so what you're doing is redundant and therefore unnecessary. Please familiarize yourself with Misplaced Pages's guidelines before reverting again for no reason. --Soetermans. T / C 12:55, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Same goes for Disney Infinity 3.0 of course. It simply does not make sense having a "additional content" section when an entire table with released content is additional. --Soetermans. T / C 12:57, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

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What is the problem with small caps? Can you point me where it is stated that it isn't allowed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexT1234 (talk • contribs) 13:37, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't think it looks good and other similar Misplaced Pages pages don't have capitals. Remember to sign your comments using 4 ~'s. Feel free to consult an admin. Matt14451 (talk) 15:03, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

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Being a finale of Any kind does not automatically create notability. That's why we have the GNG. Supergirl already has several pages that don't meet that criteria and will eventually be merge. Please look at the select episodes from Arrow or Flash and how they differ from supergirl. Many of the reviews in the supergirl episode shouldn't be used because they are not professional reviews.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:06, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

@Bignole Why did you move the conversation from your talk page? I'll improve it tomorrow anyway with professional reviews from places like IGN. Some of the Arrow/Flash episodes aren't significant. Matt14451 (talk) 21:12, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
It isn't moved. Some people respond on one talk page, some have back and forth. I never know who wants to do what. Plus, I was on my mobile account at the time and you didn't sign your message (which I took as maybe you were relatively new and probably wouldn't know to watch my page for a response. I apologize if that was wrong). The page still doesn't meet the notability criteria. Adding a couple of reviews and ratings stuff isn't enough. I would recommend putting stuff in a draft page to work on. Then moving it once it meets the GNG and if it is appropriate. We've already had a discussion that most of Supergirl's episode pages need to be merged to a season page, because they are nothing but plot summaries and a few reviews. Not enough to warrant a page, even if the barest of GNG criteria are met.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:17, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
@Bignole Apologies for not signing my message on your talk page, I forgot due to being angry but did watch your page. What else can be added for it to meet "GNG"? I've previously created Arrow episodes with not much more. Matt14451 (talk) 14:20, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
Per the GNG, there needs to be significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. A few reviews is not "significant coverage". Just the bare minimum coverage is talking like 5 or more professional reviews (not fansites, not user generated pages like TV.com, etc.). Then you need to show that there is a need for it to exist outside of the season page. Just for a few reviews is not sufficient. There should be enough independent coverage on the episode (e.g., production information, casting information beyond simply "John Doe was cast as Jane Doe" type of announcements). See what is done at Pilot (The Flash). Honestly, if we were to go through and remove information that was either trivial or irrelevant (example, using the idea that a director had directed 3 episodes of "Arrow" as "Production" information is both irrelevant and just fluff to make the article look fuller.) most of those pages would not exist. It is more that people don't bother either putting work into them to make them viable, or work in them to remove them. Technically, the way pages should be created is the main article (Arrow), then a list of episodes page, then season pages, then episode pages, and only when they need to be split. instead, people create all of them at the same time and there's no real information in any of them that justifies that level of splitting.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:09, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Thanks for standardizing all the dates. No ego here, As long as they all fall in in date-order when asked, that's all I wanted!

This was my first attempt at an edited. KrazyforKomix (talk) 16:18, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I finished adding the DTS template to the page this morning, it's quite time-consuming so it took a couple of days. The full dates look better than just numbers. Matt14451 (talk) 16:27, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Casualty (series 31)/GA1

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Hi, sorry I forgot I did anything there. I have now blanked the page. Matt14451 (talk) 21:16, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Discuss instead of edit-warring

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@Radiphus: I was restricting the table size to the page width and merging cells to make it consistent with other articles. Both actions make it easier to read. Please don't be disruptive yourself. Matt14451 (talk) 13:03, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
Could you provide a screenshot explaining how exactly you "restricted" the table? The table had always remained within page limits as you can see here. Your changes (screenshot and diff) made the table harder to read for the following reasons :
  • Increasing the font size, caused more line breaks. It is common practice in award tables to set the font size at 95%.
  • Removing the CSS style "white-space:nowrap" from the "Category" column, caused line breaks in more than one columns.
  • Merging cells in the "Nominee(s)" column, that contain data about different awards is poor writing. We merge cells on the left side of the table which contain general data (year, award) that may apply to multiple rows, with which they are exclusively related. - Radiphus (talk) 13:39, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=677283022642168&set=a.677282862642184&type=3&theater. I guess it was caused by the "white-space:nowrap". Why is merging cells in the left-hand column acceptable but not in the right-hand columns where the exact same content is in adjacent cells?Matt14451 (talk) 13:59, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
What is your screen resolution and did removing "white-space:nowrap" fix your problem? You can see the old revision of the page, which includes your changes here. Please let me know. In regard to merging the cells that contain data about different awards, this makes the table harder to read, as it disrupts the normal reading from left to right (general to specific). I don't know where you might have seen something like that, or why you think this is a good idea, but take a look for example at List of awards and nominations received by Game of Thrones, where cells containing data (recipient and result) on different award ceremonies are never merged, even though they are adjacent to each other. - Radiphus (talk) 14:26, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
Not sure of my screen resolution but problem is solved with that edit. I think it's easier to read when cells are merged as there's less repetition, any policy? Matt14451 (talk) 14:36, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
I don't have time to look policies up. It's a matter of common practice and common sense. Also, word repetition and data repetition are two different things, and i don't see how the table's readability is affected in this case. Would merging cells in the "Result" column in order to avoid word repetition make it even easier for you to read the table? Anyway... I will remove "white-space:nowrap" as this was introduced only recently and i am not sure if that's causing your problem. Please continue this discussion in the article's talk page if you would like to insist on your changes. - Radiphus (talk) 15:01, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Doesn't seem notable link

hey, Matt14451

I want to discuss of the page 'Bojack horseman season 5', I was edited that page and add one external link which is the relevant source for that page and I think it is also the notable link, I talk about that on the Teahouse page and the experience users also says that this is the notable link and they say that talk to the editor, so much so I am here. so can you please explain why this link was removed. the eternal link I add is http://www.whyit.in/bojack-horseman/ --Harshil84 (talk) 14:02, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi The link doesn't seem to have any useful information other than what is already available on the Misplaced Pages page, such as cast and plot. Small review from site which isn't notable otherwise it would belong in the reception section. Article without external links section doesn't necessarily look bad, look at other season articles for BH. Matt14451 (talk) 14:14, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) @Harshil84: I actually didn't say that the link is notable. Rather, I highlighted the policy which says that Non-notable sites can be used as external links. That's why I also asked you to discuss it with Matt14451, since there must have benn another reason. Now you have got the answer and I hope it helps. Also you have received a warning at your talk oage for this link spamming. Knightrises10 (talk) 14:17, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for your input. Notable was probably the wrong word, I should have just said it's inappropriate. Matt14451 (talk) 14:23, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Sock Puppet Investigation opened.

I have opened an investigation into you, see here. Thanks. Esuka323 (talk) 18:02, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Copyright problem: List of Adam Ruins Everything episodes

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Hi, I copied the series overview and episode table from the main article so there's no copyright violation. Matt14451 (talk) 06:13, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Apprentice episodes

When replacing the over-detailed episode sections with the table please include episode summaries with each episode in that table - If you don't want to do this then kindly stop replacing all of the content, I'm not going to do half the work so with all due respect you either do ALL of the work or don't do it at all,
I'd rather not spend the next few weeks edit warring with you nor do I want to see either of us blocked,
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Draft:Supergirl (season 2)

I want to bring it to the mainspace, but something is keeping Robert McClenon, the AfC reviewer, from approving. Would you be willing to help? --Kailash29792 (talk) 16:20, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

@Kailash29792: Hi, it seems to have enough unique content like home media, music, etc. Episode summaries will be removed from the episode list one the article is brought into mainspace so it'll be even less of a copy then. It also has a similar amount, maybe more, to the season 1 article. I would move it into mainspace now but I'll let you do it as the creator. Matt14451 (talk) 16:28, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
I thought you'd say a lot of content is missing under "Production" and "Release", and dump sources I could use. But I just need the article to be big enough to enter the mainspace and thank you for saying it is, even if not FL worthy. I just hope Robert too agrees. --Kailash29792 (talk) 16:59, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, not sure what can be added. Compared it to similar articles. His criticism is that the article identical to the episode list but that will be changed significantly once this goes live go that's invalid. Matt14451 (talk) 17:19, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
@Kailash29792: It's annoying that there's a really high standard for articles like Draft:Supergirl (season 2) but others like The Simpsons (season 29) are accepted with literally just a lead, infobox and episode table. Matt14451 (talk) 18:13, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
Yes it is indeed annoying. I have raised an excellent question at List of Supergirl episodes, but I wonder if it will be addressed. Now that the production section is comprehensive, only the release section is small. Do you know what else can be added there? --Kailash29792 (talk) 18:48, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
I've added broadcast information for the UK airings of the season. I couldn't find a source for the finale date other than IMDB but left it as it's a reasonable date. Matt14451 (talk) 19:24, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
@Kailash29792: Looking at the various discussions that have took place regarding this article there seems to be 3 editors in support and 2 who oppose and possibly haven't seen the latest version. I think it'll be ok to copy-and-paste merge the articles. Matt14451 (talk) 15:42, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
So far there's you and AussieLegend who support the move (who's the third? Legacypac?), and two who oppose: Alex and Brojam. I've requested them to re-evaluate, and if at least one of them comments positively I'll move the draft. --Kailash29792 (talk) 15:50, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
I meant you as the third. Creator should still be eligible to vote. Legacypac possibly, didn't give any objections about content. Matt14451 (talk) 15:53, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft:The Simpsons (season 30)

Hello, I noticed you have been moving The Simpsons (season 30) as a draft article. I do not know if you noticed, but I ended up changing my vote throughout the discussion. I just did not cross out my initial redirect vote. In fact, I blatantly said to the user in the comments, "I will agree to keep the article but the guide has to only have scheduled episodes only, not unscheduled episodes. Sound fair?" So please stop moving the season 30 article to a draft. Consensus should really be to keep the article, especially because the season started last night. Thank you. JE98 (talk) 02:21, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

The article has hardly any content, the episode table can be moved to the list of episodes page. Next step will be an AfD. Matt14451 (talk) 06:52, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Gogglebox

There is no requirement to repeat the same discussion for the same topic everywhere - actually doing that can be considered forum shopping, and thus the consensus applies across all. A discussion on an article talk page need not apply to just that article. Two separate discussions, two uninvolved editors you requested for not agreeing with you, no support. You can start a third, but I can give you spoilers on the result. Your edits were done last week (Special:Diff/860776259) - you need to gain consensus for them as they are now being disputed. There is no time limit on when edits can or cannot be disputed - you could have done it in 2016, and they could be disputed. As for links, see The Cry discussion. In the last revision before you edited it (Special:Permalink/860776259), the titles all included "Episode" - this was not changed. -- Alex 16:28, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

This is not the place for a discussion, you should have started it as the talk page of the disputed article. I assume you meant Special:Diff/860776259, over 1 week ago and another user has added content since, therefore it's established and assumed to be accepted. We can't just remove any sourced content we don't like from any time and expect the original editor to generate a consensus. There is one editor who supported me so you can't claim I have no support. I still disagree with you completely on that matter. The Cry was only one season so is different. There should be consistency but in the meantime the series I have already done are established and accepted. Still haven't said why you removed episode numbers for each series either? Matt14451 (talk) 16:58, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
It's a discussion about your behaviour, hence here is correct. What policy states that as soon as one other editor contributes, then your version is established? Hint: There is none. As I said, you could have done it in 2016, and they could be disputed. And it is. That editor did not support you, they gave you a suggestion first and that was it. Every requested editor you asked for disagreed with you - why request them when you're not even going to use their advice? And did I remove the episode numbers? No, they're still there. -- Alex 01:39, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Regardless of what you think this discussion is about, you should have started one about the content on the talk page of the article after being reverted, see WP:BRD. As I said, you can't remove content from 2016 as it is assumed to be accepted once another editor edits the page. They are there now but you did remove episode numbers per series, leaving only overall episode numbers. Matt14451 (talk) 07:20, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
As should you have, so it was both of our edits that were being disputed. And what policy supports that? You seem keen on repeating it but have nothing to back it up. There is none, it's your own jargon. I removed no such thing - what was in the second column after my edits? -- Alex 09:17, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
My edits were over a week old and accepted by editors of page as indicated by further changes by a different editor, what's your excuse for not starting a discussion on that talk page? You removed the column that includes the number of episodes per series. I can't remember the policy that I read but I know it exists. You can't revert a two-year old edit and expect the original editor to start a discussion, that's ridiculous, use common sense. A column with each number preceded by the word episode is not easy to read and is redundant. Your edits are here - https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=List_of_Gogglebox_episodes&oldid=862472490. Matt14451 (talk) 15:48, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
What policy states that as soon as one other editor contributes, then your version is established? It's not that hard to answer. If you can't link it, you're making it up. If you can't back up your arguments, don't make them. Go Google it. Stop lying. And I know where my edits are - all episodes numbers included in it. Easy. -- Alex 15:51, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
I'm not lying, stop casting aspersions, tried Googling. Common sense as well. It's not easy to read, ridiculous to include episode in every row, it makes it harder to read, literally no benefit. Matt14451 (talk) 16:09, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
So, to sum it up, no policy, no argument, personal beliefs only, despite no editor that you requested supporting you. Did I get it? -- Alex 16:10, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Sarcastic personal attack again... "Thank you, it does look better." is support from another editor so stop saying there's no support for similar changes. Again, what is your excuse for not starting a discussion? I saw you cited WP:TV as rationale but where specifically is the support? To paraphrase you, I find it interesting to came to the Gogglebox article after I edited it... Matt14451 (talk) 16:21, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
No support. And you want to personally attack after not wanting personal attacks. Sigh. New editors who don't know their policies. -- Alex 16:24, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
I literally just quoted support so there is support. I paraphrased you so you're admitting you personally attacked me multiple time? Another policy you've broken. Matt14451 (talk) 16:27, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
"Please don't use mean words to me! Oh, here's your mean words back at you!" Funny how that works.
Funny how you state there's "support" without proof. Everyone else on Misplaced Pages supports all of my edits. I just said there is, now you have to believe me! No proof needed! Worked out that other policy yet, or are you still lying and making it up? -- Alex 16:30, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
I have told you to stop with the personal attacks multiple times yet you ignore me. Proof you're so desperate for - https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Casualty_(series_33)&action=history. Again, what is your excuse for not starting a discussion? Matt14451 (talk) 16:34, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
I don't see your discussion for support either. Where is it? Not there. Pot, kettle, black. Found that made-up policy yet? WP:MYVERSIONISESTABLISHEDYOUCANNOTREVERTIT, maybe? -- Alex 16:40, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
I copied the quote above from that page from an edit summary, clearly there. You looking for WP:MYEDITSAREALWAYSBESTANDNOONECANDISAGREEOTHERWISEIREVERTTOPERSONALATTACKSSTRAIGHTAWAY? Productive isn't it... Matt14451 (talk) 16:43, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
And where is the discussion for it? You have nothing to back up your changes. Edits coming to that Casualty article soon... -- Alex 16:46, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
It wasn't discussed but obviously accepted by regular editor of page by their edit summary, discussion not needed when no objections. If you remove my changes then I will revert you. Matt14451 (talk) 16:50, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Based on what policy? -- Alex 16:55, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Consensus is assumed by no one reverting my changes since, thanking me as well. If you want to remove my changes again you need to gain consensus, either by no one reverting you which I have already said I will or through the talk page of that article. Matt14451 (talk) 17:00, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
And that statement is, again, based on what policy? Proof of the thanks? -- Alex 17:02, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
I can't remember the policy as I already said, common sense as well. I have already given you a quote and a link, what other proof do you want? Matt14451 (talk) 17:05, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
So, you're making things up again. No policy, no argument, no explanation to revert. -- Alex 17:08, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
I found WP:EDITCONSENSUS which applies to both Gogglebox and Casualty examples mentioned above. I made edits then other user(s) made subsequent additions to my edits, therefore a new consensus was made. You need to make a new consensus to make further changes. Matt14451 (talk) 20:21, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

FireTune

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Draft:Mr. Black

Hi Matt14451 You have moved my recently created article on Mr. Black to Draft. I can see that a Mr. Black article existed in 2006 and was deleted back then. However, this is a new article. The name is being used for the title of a new Australian television series which has been filmed and will debut soon. Can you please restore this article? J Bar (talk) 23:31, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

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Have a look at this discussion and consensus about not including review score tables on television articles. - Brojam (talk) 20:54, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't see that. I saw the album ratings template in other TV articles before implementing it here. The consensus is three years old, mostly about a different template and a few editors who didn't contribute to that have recently contributed to its inclusion so it might be a good idea to have a new discussion. Matt14451 (talk) 06:41, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

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