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November 2018

Hello, I'm Longhair. I noticed that you made a comment on the page User talk:Diannaa that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Misplaced Pages is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Longhair\ 10:33, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi! I see you're having some problems with your article. To understand why your edits are being reverted, and also redacted from the visible edit history, you might want to read this policy: Misplaced Pages:Copying text from other sources, which applies not just to finished articles, but also to article drafts. -- The Anome (talk) 10:38, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

A question

A question comes to mind as I watch the development of your draft. If this work is Drewes' magnum opus as you have written, why can I not find a single reference to it anywhere online? What sources are you drawing from for your draft?

As an aside, I would point out that plot summary that you added in this edit is still a very close paraphrase of the SparkNotes page and is still considered a copyright violation. I'll offer you the opportunity to address that rather than having me report a second copyright violation (which could get you blocked. WikiDan61_ReadMe!! 21:28, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello, you cannot find a single reference to King Lear (1957) because it has NOT been seen in public exhibition for over 60 years. The BBC has video of it from 1976, but that all. It have two private owners, one in New York State, and the other in London. I'm documenting the painting here before it's sold in 2020 by Sotheby's in New York. The Painting is currently in my procession, and I'm describing it directly. When I have finished the article I will put up photos of it, and the specific images I am describing. If it is not bought by a museum, it will go back into a private collection for another 60 years plus. This is why it is important to get this article online, and the museum galleries aware it still exists.

As for the summery of King Lear, the summary has been written millions of time, in 100 languages. Whatever way you write it, someone will have written it the same. Anyway, it's completely OUT of Copyright. No one owns it. Because William Shakespeare's been dead for over 500 years, and he's not suing anyone!

Unfortunately, what you're describing falls under Misplaced Pages's definition of original research, which is disallowed at Misplaced Pages. However, you seem to have some amount of expertise in the area, so I would recommend that you try to publish your work in a reputable art journal, where it can be peer-reviewied. WikiDan61_ReadMe!! 00:50, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

As you can see, all of the reference sources for Cubism, Futurism, Dadaism, Surrealism, Abstract Impressionism, Colour Field, Fantastic Art, Bauhaus art, and Gestaltism, are from Misplaced Pages itself, and are Open Source, and do not fall with the classification or definition of "original research". This is generic information describing pictorial representations. Like other who are documenting art work for posterity and public education, I'm using established sources to place the artwork in it's historical context. What is plainly apparent if you have read the article, and click on the links for the reference resources. This article is on NO WAY "disallowed" and fulfils Misplaced Pages's goal of recording human history, art, science, and culture, and expanding public knowledge and awareness.

Yes, you have made extensive references to other Misplaced Pages pages (which are generally not considered reliable sources; see WP:CIRCULAR), but it would be consider original research to assign any of these categories to Drewes' King Lear. As a matter of fact, given that there are no sources that I could find (and mind you, I'm not an art expert), it would be original research to claim that this painting exists at all. Basically, unless there has been significant coverage of this piece of art in reliable sources, your draft will not likely become eligible for publication. I would urge you to find such sources before you spend much more time developing the actual draft. WikiDan61_ReadMe!! 13:11, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Read the completed article! This is a work in progress!! When I finally submit the completed article for review, then please comment. Thank you.

I will do so. I just hate to see so much work be done only to go unpublished for lack of sources. WikiDan61_ReadMe!! 13:20, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Now have a loon at this - Earwig's Copyvio Detector:

https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Draft:King_Lear_(1957),_a_painting_by_Werner_Drewes_(Bauhaus_School)&url=&oldid=867798547

Violation Unlikely 31.0% confidence

You keep deleting my summary, and it's just harassment!!

I would argue that a plot summary of King Lear is unnecessary in this article, as there is already a sufficient plot summary in the main article. Your article should limit itself to descriptions of the painting, and the ways in which it interacts with the King Lear plot, without a need to reproduce the entire summary within your article. Or, if you do feel the need to include an extensive summary, copy the one from the King Lear Misplaced Pages page. As long as you provide proper attribution (you can make an entry in the talk page noting that you have copied the plot summary from another Misplaced Pages article), you are free to use this text, rather than text you find elsewhere on the internet (no matter how hard you try to mask it as your own words). WikiDan61_ReadMe!! 14:39, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Obviously you are too egocentric to understand that I'm not writing this for you!! I'm writing this for the million of people, especially young people interested in the history of are, who DO NOT KNOW the plotline of King Lear, and so WILL NOT KNOW how to UNDERSTAND the painting!!!

Look, just do your won article and stay away from mine!!!

If you want to know just how out of copyright this play is, watch this:

King Lear|Full Movie|1916|:

VIDEO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxnQSmHUb2E

As I said, I'll see any "copyright" challengers for this 500 year old play in court!!!

Please don't copy material you find elsewhere online

Hello. I am Diannaa and I am a Misplaced Pages administrator. Prose you find online is almost always copyright, and cannot be copied here, not even into sandboxes or drafts; it's against the copyright policy of this website to do so. All prose must be written in your own words. The plot description we keep removing is extremely close to the one found at https://www.sparknotes.com/shakespeare/lear/summary/; that's a copyright web page, and it's not okay to copy it here or even to closely paraphrase it. There's more information about copyrights and how it applies to Misplaced Pages at Misplaced Pages:FAQ/Copyright. The Misplaced Pages copyright policy and its application are complex matters, and you should not edit any more until you have taken the time to read and understand our copyright policy. Further copyright issues will result in you being blocked from editing. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 14:24, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

1 Do you actually know the plot of King Lear? 2. Can you READ??? 3 Are these identical????

Now have a loon at this - Earwig's Copyvio Detector:

https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Draft:King_Lear_(1957),_a_painting_by_Werner_Drewes_(Bauhaus_School)&url=&oldid=867798547

Violation Unlikely 31.0% confidence

There is NO copyright infringement, because King Lear DOES NOT have any copyright privileges - so STOP interfering with my article!!!!

The Plot is the plot, and whatever way you tell it. it's still the same plot!! OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLAY I'M SUMMARISING!!!

You can only tell a plot through it's narrative structure!!

This is the summary

Sparknotes.com - Summary

Plot Overview Lear, the aging king of Britain, decides to step down from the throne and divide his kingdom evenly among his three daughters. First, however, he puts his daughters through a test, asking each to tell him how much she loves him. Goneril and Regan, Lear’s older daughters, give their father flattering answers. But Cordelia, Lear’s youngest and favorite daughter, remains silent, saying that she has no words to describe how much she loves her father. Lear flies into a rage and disowns Cordelia. The king of France, who has courted Cordelia, says that he still wants to marry her even without her land, and she accompanies him to France without her father’s blessing. Lear quickly learns that he made a bad decision. Goneril and Regan swiftly begin to undermine the little authority that Lear still holds. Unable to believe that his beloved daughters are betraying him, Lear slowly goes insane. He flees his daughters’ houses to wander on a heath during a great thunderstorm, accompanied by his Fool and by Kent, a loyal nobleman in disguise. Meanwhile, an elderly nobleman named Gloucester also experiences family problems. His illegitimate son, Edmund, tricks him into believing that his legitimate son, Edgar, is trying to kill him. Fleeing the manhunt that his father has set for him, Edgar disguises himself as a crazy beggar and calls himself “Poor Tom.” Like Lear, he heads out onto the heath. When the loyal Gloucester realizes that Lear’s daughters have turned against their father, he decides to help Lear in spite of the danger. Regan and her husband, Cornwall, discover him helping Lear, accuse him of treason, blind him, and turn him out to wander the countryside. He ends up being led by his disguised son, Edgar, toward the city of Dover, where Lear has also been brought. In Dover, a French army lands as part of an invasion led by Cordelia in an effort to save her father. Edmund apparently becomes romantically entangled with both Regan and Goneril, whose husband, Albany, is increasingly sympathetic to Lear’s cause. Goneril and Edmund conspire to kill Albany. The despairing Gloucester tries to commit suicide, but Edgar saves him by pulling the strange trick of leading him off an imaginary cliff. Meanwhile, the English troops reach Dover, and the English, led by Edmund, defeat the Cordelia-led French. Lear and Cordelia are captured. In the climactic scene, Edgar duels with and kills Edmund; we learn of the death of Gloucester; Goneril poisons Regan out of jealousy over Edmund and then kills herself when her treachery is revealed to Albany; Edmund’s betrayal of Cordelia leads to her needless execution in prison; and Lear finally dies out of grief at Cordelia’s passing. Albany, Edgar, and the elderly Kent are left to take care of the country under a cloud of sorrow and regret.

My Summary- Plot Overview

Summary of King Lear, a play by William Shakespeare (Note: This play has been out of copyright for over 500 years; and this summary is in the author of this article’s own words) The aging king Lear of Britain decides to retire from the throne and divide his kingdom evenly among his only heirs, his three daughters. Vain and prideful, however, first he puts his daughters through a test of their love for him, asking each to tell him how much she loves him – by what measure and in what degree. Goneril and Regan, Lear’s older daughters, give their father vain glorious flattering answers, and receive their share of the kingdom. But Cordelia, Lear’s youngest and favourite daughter, remains silent, and when pressed by the king for an answer, tells him she has no words to describe how much she loves her father – but loves him no more than she should. Lear flies into a rage at this response and disowns his truthful daughter Cordelia, disinheriting her. Lear offers Cordelia to the Duke of Burgundy and the King of France who both have courted Cordelia, without marriage dowry of land penniless. Burgundy says that without her dowry he will not take her. The king of France, with love and chivalric grace, says that even without her dowry he still wants to marry Cordelia even without her land or wealth, and she leaves with him to France, to marry, without her father’s blessing. The vain king Lear soon learns that he made a bad decision. His deceitful daughters Goneril and Regan swiftly conspire to undermine what little authority king Lear still holds in his former kingdom, and to disown the promises they both made to honour and maintain him in his retirement. Unable to believe that his beloved daughters are betraying him, Lear begin to become insane. Fleeing his daughters’ houses their insults and abuse, to wander on a heath during a great thunderstorm, accompanied by his Fool a man wiser than he, and by Kent, a loyal nobleman in disguise. Meanwhile, Edmund, the illegitimate son of an elderly nobleman named Gloucester a still loyal former advisor to king Lear. Tricks his father into believing that his legitimate son, Edgar, is trying to kill him. Duped by his half-brother and fleeing the manhunt that his father has set for him, Edgar disguises himself as a crazy beggar and calls himself “Poor Tom”; and like Lear, he heads out onto the heath. When the loyal Gloucester realises that Lear’s daughters have turned against their father and dishonoured their promises to him. Gloucester decides to help Lear in spite of the danger. Regan and her husband, Cornwall, discover his activities, accuse him of treason, and cruelly torture and abuse Gloucester; to wit Regan having viciously blinded Gloucester by plucking out his eyes with her fingers, they turn him out to wander blind into the countryside. There he meets his son Edgar, who disguised as the crazy beggar “Poor Tom”, leads his unknowing farther toward the city of Dover, where Lear has also been brought. At Dover, they find a French army has landed by sea, as part of an invasion forces led by Cordelia, whom having received news of her father’s dispossession, has returned with the aid of France - in an effort to save her father, and punish her sisters. Deceitful Edmund, disloyal, ambitious, and philandering, has becomes romantically entangled with both Regan, and Goneril – who’s husband, Albany, is increasingly sympathetic to Lear’s cause. Goneril and Edmund conspire to kill Albany, in a pact to marry and take all the kingdom for themselves. Blind and despairing Gloucester tries to commit suicide, but his son Edgar saves him, by leading him off an imaginary cliff; and making him believe he has fallen from a great height, and been saved by the grace of God, to live on in the world. Meanwhile, the English troops reach Dover, and the English, led by Edmund, rout and defeat the French army led by Cordelia. Lear and Cordelia are captured. Then, in the climactic scene of tragedy, Edgar duels with his half-brother Edmund and kills him; news arrives of the death of Gloucester; out of jealousy over Edmund, Goneril poisons Regan, and then kills herself when her treachery is revealed to her husband Albany; Edmund’s betrayal of Cordelia leads to her needless execution in prison by hanging; and Lear finally dies, out of grief, shame, sorrow, and self-blame at Cordelia’s untimely death; with Albany, Edgar, and the elderly Kent, being all who are left to take care of the country, living as they must, under a cloud of sorrows and regret.

END.

Mr. Crick:

Copyright violation can happen not only when the text is copied verbatim, but when the copied text is a close paraphrase of the source text. It is clear that you have taken the SparkNotes summary and simply changed some words to make it "in your own words". Again, I suggest two alternatives:

1. skip the plot summary altogether (there is already a sufficient summary at King Lear), and simply write your article to highlight how the painting mirrors the play's plot;
2. copy the plot summary from the King Lear Misplaced Pages article and give proper attribution, thus avoiding any copyright issues at all. WikiDan61_ReadMe!! 15:45, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

PS: I will repeat an earlier warning: if you continue to introduce this material that has been removed multiple times, you will very likely find yourself blocked. At the very least, wait until this discussion between me, you and @Diannaa: has been resolved before reintroducing the questionable plot summary. WikiDan61_ReadMe!! 15:49, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

I have highlighted in bold the matching content for the first paragraph. I have to go to class now or I would do more. Hopefully this is enough to demonstrate for you the extent of the overlap and the reason why your addition is a violation of our copyright policy. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 15:58, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

You deleted my previous comment. So I'll comment on you highlights in the summaries:

Are you saying that in Shakespeare's play...

1. Lear if NOT the aging king of Britain.

2. He did not step down from the throne.

3.He did not propose to divide his kingdom among his three daughters.

4. His daughter did not remain silent, then answered him.

5. She did not tell him she had no words to tell him how much she lived him.

6. He does not fly off into a rage.

If all these things are true, them the play that YOU are describing IS NOT KING LEAR!!!

all these things happen with the first 10 minutes of the play!!!

Watch!

King Lear - Laurence Olivier

VIDEO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aprnQoOqWwY

Just work on you own things and stay away from mine!

There are many ways to describe the action of King Lear. You have chosen to echo the description that someone else wrote, and while the description you have chosen is an accurate one, it is not the only way to describe the action. I'm sorry if you don't agree with Misplaced Pages's rules; they can at times be very difficult to navigate, and many writers choose different platforms to create their work for this very reason. But if you choose to write here, you must obey Misplaced Pages's rules. Also, please note that Misplaced Pages is a collaborative platform. You are free to develop your draft (but not to violate copyrights while doing so), but if your article should ever manage to be published (see my earlier concerns about sources and original research), it will be edited by other users, and you will not be able to stop that process. If you wish to write a piece that you have ownership of and that others cannot meddle with, you will need to find another platform to do so. WikiDan61_ReadMe!! 16:33, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Harassment:

https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Harassment

Why are YOU the only person who is 24/7 interfering with my article. No one else. ONLY YOU!!

If a formal complaint is made. As I stated preciously, in a reply to you from me, you deleted. I will deal with it personally in the Law Courts. It's nothing to do with you. It's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS or responsibility!

Now again. Please stop interfering with my work, and get on with your own life and activities. Refer whoever to me, and I will refer them to my lawyer.

Thank you.