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Arab diaspora - copyrighted material restored again after redaction
Hi Moonriddengirl, thanks for your work on fixing the copyright problem in the Arab diaspora article on October 20th. Unfortunately, someone has obtained the now-redacted material, and restored it again with this edit: Special:Diff/870692029/871005673. I've just restored the article to the last version before that. Could you maybe take a look, and redact the intervening edits? Thanks... --IamNotU (talk) 21:24, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you, IamNotU, for your continued diligence there. :) I have rev-deleted and also tagged the IP, which is certainly being used for block evasion by the same user. --Moonriddengirl 21:51, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
- Great, thanks for doing that! --IamNotU (talk) 21:57, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Copyright question
Can I ask a quick copyright question; if text in an article is a very close paraphrase of the source cited, would that be considered a potential copyvio? I've always taken the view I should write original prose with the source as supporting information. WCMemail 16:12, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
- Hello, User:Wee Curry Monster. Yes, if content is very closely paraphrased to a copryight protected source, it would be considered a potential copyvio. This is because close paraphrases are likely to be derivative works, and only the copyright holder has the right to authorize these. See Misplaced Pages:Copying_text_from_other_sources#Can_I_copy_if_I_change_the_text_a_little_bit? and Misplaced Pages:Close paraphrasing for more information. --Moonriddengirl 19:55, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you I appreciate the answer. This is the source mentioned page 15, the text in the Gibraltar article was The occupation of the town by Alliance forces caused the exodus of the population to the surrounding area of the Campo de Gibraltar. I have an editor restoring this, claiming that the text is not a close paraphrase of the source. Could I ask for your second opinion. WCMemail 12:18, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
- Hi, Moonriddengirl. If you have a moment, it would be great if you could give us some guidance in this specific case.
- The sentence in Stephen Constantine's book is
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Compounding this difficulty, the allied occupation of 1704 prompted the exodus from Gibraltar of virtually all the resident civilian population.
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- and the sentence in the article (summarizing information from Stephen Constantine's book and many other sources) is:
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The occupation of the town by Alliance forces caused the exodus of the population to the surrounding area of the Campo de Gibraltar
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- According to your opinion and WP's guidlines, would you say this could be a case of copyvio? Thank you very much for you time! - Imalbornoz (talk) 21:29, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
- Hello, User:Wee Curry Monster and User:Imalbornoz. :) This is my opinion. I think as a stand-alone sentence this text is not too closely paraphrased. Many of the duplicative words are pretty standard, not striking, and the structure has been changed in many respects. That said, if I were doing this, there's one would that I would change. "Exodus" - it's not the most commonly encountered of words, and "departure" or perhaps "evacuation" (I don't know the context) would likely serve as well. I would also further distinguish by not following the core order of the sentence, which can be broken down "occupation prompted/caused the exodus", to something more like "The residents left the area after the Alliance forces took occupation of the town." That said, if this is the only sentence, it seems distinguished enough to me and as it is de minimis on top of that I would consider that the revision suffices. My only big concern would be if this were one sentence out of an entire passage that was paraphrased sentence for sentence, in which case you might duplicate the structure of a larger source.
- Unless there's more content to cumulatively cause concern or there's some reason to avoid modification, might I suggest that perhaps changing "exodus" and perhaps tweaking order a bit further could settle the matter without further ado? :) --Moonriddengirl 03:01, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
Thank you Moonriddengirl, much appreciated. Fondest regards and Merry Christmas. WCMemail 09:16, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you very much, Moonriddengirl! - Imalbornoz (talk) 12:39, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- Hi! There is an alternative sentence and we would very much appreciate it if you think that it might have a problem with copyright:
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The occupation of the town by Alliance forces caused the exodus of more than 98% of the population, mainly to the surrounding area of the Campo de Gibraltar.
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- Even though the word "exodus" is not very common in the general language, many sources use it to describe this specific episode, so I thought keeping the word might not violate copyright (and would avoid us a long long discussion on what would be the most precise alternative word to use). For example:
- "The exodus from the city was an affecting and melancholy spectacle." (Frederick Sayer, The History of Gibraltar and of Its Political Relation to Events in Europe)
- "This event produced an exodus of Spanish Gibraltarians who abandoned Gibraltar's urban core, having pledged their loyalty to the ruling Bourbons (since 1700), and therefore did not wish to pass under the control of the Hapsburgs" (Andrew Canessa, Bordering on Britishness: National Identity in Gibraltar from the Spanish Civil War to Brexit)
- "Its ruins furnished materials from which Algeciras and Gibraltar were built and also San Roque when the inhabitants of Gibraltar settled there after their exodus in 1704." (Edward Ranulph Kenyon, Gibraltar Under Moor, Spaniard, and Briton)
- "No doubt there was as much lingering hope of again possessing the strong place they had wrested from the Moors in the minds of the Kings of Spain, when they contributed to keep up this contradiction, as it may be called; as a wish to soften the bitterness of their loss and to reward their loyalty to the Crown, when they conferred all their former privileges to their subjects, as if the city had never ceased to be under their dominion, and that the exodus of the inhabitants to other parts had only been made for reasons of convenience." (George James Gilbard, A popular history of Gibraltar)
- Do you think that, only taking copyrights into account, it would be all right to keep "exodus" or would it still be necessary to find an alternative option?. Thanks! - Imalbornoz (talk) 15:37, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Merry Merry
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Happy Christmas!
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Hello Moonriddengirl,
Early in A Child's Christmas in Wales the young Dylan and his friend Jim Prothero witness smoke pouring from Jim's home. After the conflagration has been extinguished Dylan writes that Nobody could have had a noisier Christmas Eve. And when the firemen turned off the hose and were standing in the wet, smoky room, Jim's Aunt, Miss. Prothero, came downstairs and peered in at them. Jim and I waited, very quietly, to hear what she would say to them. She said the right thing, always. She looked at the three tall firemen in their shining helmets, standing among the smoke and cinders and dissolving snowballs, and she said, "Would you like anything to read?"
My thanks to you for your efforts to keep the 'pedia readable in case the firemen chose one of our articles :-) Best wishes to you and yours and happy editing in 2019. MarnetteD|Talk 03:58, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
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- Thank you, MarnetteD; that's a funny and heartwarming story and a very kind sentiment. :D I hope the new year brings you splendid things. --Moonriddengirl 02:26, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
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Revdel requests for articles I have just cleaned up
Hey there Moonriddengirl. I have just been spending the past week scrutinizing several articles for potential copyright violations. Sadly, I found these articles to be full of them. I have spent hours preparing their pruning. Most of the violations I uncovered were excessive (in-ref) quotations from copyrighted books and journals. For example starting with this edit right up to this the entire article was just copy paste of whole pages of books. I have done what I can to eliminate the plagiarisms and close paraphrasings on that article as well as a few other articles. It would be much appreciated if you could revdel all the revisions of these 4 articles prior to my clean ups. Regards, Dilpa. Dilpa kaur (talk) 07:05, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
- I wonder if this editor has understood the copy-vio policy. I've already pinged Diannaa, but repeat that ping here too. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:45, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
- This material does not qualify for revision deletion, because it's properly attributed quotations. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 14:17, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
Sammy Jo Prudhomme
Much of the "college career" section of the Sammy Jo Prudhomme page appears to be copied and pasted from her OSU bio and her USC bio Joeykai (talk) 04:19, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks. I've tagged it, Joeykai, and explained to the individual with a little more detail than they've received in the past why we can't use it. Let's hope it takes! --Moonriddengirl 13:20, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
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