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Thanks for responding. The whole thing seems to be coming down to the issue of Starwood Festival and its suite of associated articles having so many spam links. If you could weigh in on that it would be nice but not critical. No one seems worried that I'm a sock puppet. So, thanks! I understand. Mattisse(talk) 19:52, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

You will want to check your mail

Good stuff. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:54, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Coolness! Bishonen | talk 21:39, 13 November 2006 (UTC).

Yes, good, better, how about also positioned more in the middle, not so far down? Leave it to you, but wouldn't it look more persistent? Bishonen | talk 21:54, 13 November 2006 (UTC).

On a topic in no way whatsoever related to the previous one

If I solemnly promise not to remove animated gifs from your pages, regardless of how annoying and spinny and flappy they may be, or how badly they make my little puppy head hurt, and limit myself to sad comments like Giano, will you call the zombie off? You're scaring visitors to my talk page. KillerChihuahua 23:53, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Sad? Did you ever see anybody more graciously delighted with a pretty gift than Giano with his colibri, which is still flapping away on his page? Hmmm. Oh, you don't have to do all that, just read your mail. Bishonen | talk 00:24, 14 November 2006 (UTC).

Goodness, you're right, it was Geogre. How could I have gotten who was sad and who was delighted so thoroughly confused? Going to obediently read mail now... KillerChihuahua 00:32, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Sad? You want sad? 1. I remember when I used to get e-mail. 2. I'm way too young to have the latest health problem. Geogre 02:12, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, you got an e-mail on the same subject, Geogre, and you got it first. I can't help it that it kind of died. For Capital Geogre, only the capital SAD? I hope not, sweetheart! Bishonen | talk 02:17, 14 November 2006 (UTC).

I did? Things definitely die in my inbox, but that's because of the atmosphere. How about all-season radials and all-season disorders? Nah, this is more out of season old man's disease. The capital? I haven't any money. I shall open the box and see what's in there. :-) Geogre 11:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Great fire of london

Congratulations on the FA. It's a cracking article despite all the FAC sparks. (groan......sorry) --Mcginnly | Natter 00:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Heh, thanks. You mean it was a crackling article? Bishonen | talk 01:02, 14 November 2006 (UTC).

Looking forward to reading the finished entry! Best, El_C 01:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

You mean yuo'll read it once the present stub has been expanded with a bit of concrete information? Yeah, that's a good idea. Bishonen | talk 02:12, 14 November 2006 (UTC).

I realize it's a work-in-progress; (no) rush! El_C 02:40, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

West Wycombe Park FAC

Doh! that's what tiredness does to you. Although if I remember from about 2 months or so back there used to be a template or something at the top of the page to say it had been closed!!! AH well. Ill remove it. Is there anyway to put the page up for review again. There really wasn't that much discussion and, though it's a nice page, I have seen better ones not make FA status. (all those images and red links). It just appeared that Giano's prestige as a FA writer was the main reason it passed (plus of course the quality of the writing). Ill raise the issues on the talk page anyway.... cheers --Errant Tmorton166 12:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

• Do you have something specific? The fact that you don't like it is sort of irrelevant, in that we all have to come to that point where we begin to employ criteria rather than taste, where we have to recognize that not all that we like is good nor all that we do not like bad. The article passed many voters, went through revision, and was not treated reverently by the voters at all. The theory that it passed because of its author is absolutely bizarre. Those comments were not fawning, and the author has plenty of people (apparently) who will oppose because of outside matters. Fortunately, most of those could tell that there were no legitimate grounds for objecting. Geogre 13:26, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

• "There used to be a template or something at the top of the page"—I don't think so, I believe you must be thinking about some other kind of transcluded page. FACs never had a "closed" template as far as I know. The Featured article review is the place to put a FA up for review, but you're—obviously—not supposed to do that as soon as it's been promoted. I'm sure you can see the unreasonableness of prolonging the FAC process indefinitely by essentially moving a page from FAC to FAR. Anyway, it's all in the guidelines at the top of the FAR page: three months is typically regarded as the minimum interval. I don't quite understand your point about the page sailing through because of "Giano's prestige", as FAC definitely doesn't work like that. Also, the reason Giano has prestige is that he's good. Bishonen | talk 19:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC).
• In a nutshell: Giano has prestige for the same reason that the page sailed through - because he's good. Very good. You complain that "there was little discussion" - perhaps that was because of the rather stunningly simple maxim that if it ain't broke, don't fix it and Giano's work is not broken. Hopefully this will help clarify the perceived lack of harsh criticism. KillerChihuahua 19:45, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

French theatre

You Geogre and BoG know about these things what does "cage de scène" meen in English - is it "the wings" it's for the ledoux copy-edit Giano 13:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

• Non Frankoi linguarum dice. However, I'd guess that it is the wings, yes. The boxlike place for scenery. I thought everyone in the UK spoke French now, so perhaps one of them can answer. Geogre 13:55, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Non non mon ami. Tout la monde ne parlez pas la francais en Angleterre, wir alle Amerikanisch sprechen weil wir so viele Hamburgen essen. OK und danke schon Giano 14:06, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Ever hear of Misplaced Pages? The free online encyclopedia, available in several languages including French? Consulting that I would guess that "cage de scène" is not the wings but the the part of the stage occupied by the actors and sets. Paul August ☎ 14:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

this site seems to suggest this is the case - It's a Canadian thesaurus - WT stands for whole term and FT stands for french term. --Mcginnly | Natter 14:49, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks I'll check it out later, at the moment I have another Canadian fish to fry! Giano 15:28, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, just a sec - looking at the definitions of gridiron - "In theatres, the gridiron is a metal framework suspended above the stage from which lights and other items are hung" - the cage de scène - that makes good sense to me now. I thought we call this the "lighting rig" in the UK, gridiron seems north american, I'll ask my father he'll know, he's a noted thespian (poor mother) --Mcginnly | Natter 15:46, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

IS HE?...I've always wanted to know someone famous - Gosh - do you remember that Miss World contest, when the interviewer was asking all the contestants their ambitions, and they were all saying "help little children" - "work with the poor" - "pay for my granny's opperation" - and "Get laid by someone famous!" I wish I was famous - I did once sit near Wendy Craig in the theatre at a pantomime when I was a child, and once played bridge in the same room as Princess Diana so I suppose I am almost famous. Giano 16:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh Christ! I hope I'm not almost old enough to be Mcginnly's father Giano 16:07, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I once met Michael Stipe when he attended a play I was performing in--such a nice man and with such beaitful blue eyes! Anyway, in the states, we refer to this as the truss, lighting truss or grid. This is used to support lighting instruments, curtains, scenic elements and/or the fly system. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 16:17, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I tried to run over Michael Stipe...several times, in fact, but he always got his little blue bicycle out of the road in time. I met him and the rest of the REMmers. I know many current and past rock stars, and I held hands with Bono once (really), but my favorite among them is Billy Bragg. My most famousest meet was Bill Clinton. I had an interesting life, but that's all over. Geogre 16:26, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

But this is from the Ledoux page, they didnt have lighting in the 18th century, just a few old jam pots with candles in I expect Giano 16:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, they had quite a bit of lighting...often the scenic elements: flats and such would have banks of candles on the back, large chandeliers would hang above the stage to illuminate the actors as well as footlights. If you've seen the movie Amadeus, there is a scene onstage where Mozart meets the Emperor following the performance of one of his operas. If you look closely, you can see the banks of candles behind the flats. The chandeliers over the stage began to be replaced in larger theatre towards the end of the 18th century. These were replaced with light from the wings and footlights, all of which utilized relflectors. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 16:30, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

When I said noted - I meant mostly by himself and the rest of the family - He's an Am-drammer you see. Usually at this time of year we're all forced to endure several "extraordinary renditions" in the name of family unity - having heard his "Pirates of Penzance" last year, I did think about suggesting that the white noise at Guantanamo is replaced with a hi-fi recording. --Mcginnly | Natter 17:55, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

The image of some poor soul being driven mad by "I am the very model of a modern major general," "There is beauty in the bellows of the blast," or "Climbing over rocky mountain" brings a smile to my face. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 18:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll see if I can get you a ticket; grimaces are usually what are on our faces, but I wish you luck. --Mcginnly | Natter 23:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

"Personal Attacks"

Telling the truth is not a personal attack. Furthermore, you are not welcome to edit my personal page. What I have posted about Allister is very much the truth. And for your information, Allister vandalized another persons main page accusing that person of being a sockpuppet of me. Stay out of things you are not involved with. Alyeska 22:06, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Funny how your making my argument for me by blocking me from editing my own user page. Alyeska 22:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Brilliant. You make an accusation against me without actualy looking up the history, and when confronted by the person you've made the accusation to you just try to silence me by locking my page from editing and refuse to discuss the issue. Alyeska 22:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC) User:Alyeska

You need to stop telling experienced users that intervening against your policy violations is not their business, because it is. As a Misplaced Pages administrator, I am involved with any policy violations I see on the site. So are other experienced users: Calton, for instance, knows more about policy than many admins, and obviously a whole lot more than you do. Since you ignored my civil request to not restore the personal attack on your userpagepage, I have removed it again and, this time, protected the page from editing except by administrators. Please let me know when you're ready to keep your userapge reasonably civil (it's far from polite as it is, either, but not restoring the attack against Alistair is the only thing I'm insisting on at this point in time). I won't take the trouble to post links for you about the userpage policies you're violating, since Calton already has, and you don't seem to have bothered to click on them. Please read his links, they contain all you need to know about the amount of control you have of your userpages. I also urgently invite you to review WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. Please don't make the editing climate here unpleasant for other people. Bishonen | talk 22:28, 14 November 2006 (UTC).

I stopped reading the rules after Alistair demonstrated he wasn't following the rules he is charged with enforcing. I stopped reading the rules when people said "well the rules let you do this" and then afterwards someone found a contrary rule just to get my information removed. You obviously read my opinion on my page. You know I have zero confidence in Wiki policy given my past history of being abused by it. Alyeska 22:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I've read your opinion on your page, but I haven't studied the history you seem to want me to (I'm not even sure what history--that between you and Alistair, or what?), and quite frankly I don't have the time of the motivation. You see, I don't need to do that in order to know that you don't get to edit here in contempt of Misplaced Pages policy, as you do. Your generalized attack on Alistair is unacceptable regardless of circumstances and background. If the policies are too much to get your head round, I would have thought it made sense for you to take the word of people who do know about them—people like Calton, or like me—rather than spitting at them. If you consider an administrator is abusive or unfair—again, I know nothing about the conflict between you and Alistair—you can post an informal complaint on WP:ANI, or open a request for comment on him. To decide to defy policy is not one of your options. Bishonen | talk 23:06, 14 November 2006 (UTC).

You have my word that I won't mention Alistair by name. Infact, I am going to remove the section in question entirely because its been more trouble then its worth. The topic is a source of irritation for me. However, having typed up the topic has made it a far greater irritation that I quite simply don't want to deal with any longer. Fair enough? Alyeska 23:19, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Not by name and not by hint either, please. OK, I've unprotected. Bishonen | talk 23:38, 14 November 2006 (UTC).

Thanks

Hi, Bishonen. I was surprised to see you back in the TM article after having been gone several months. I think you made some good edits. I apologize for changing the word "claims" in a couple instances where you made edits. I agree with the guideline on Words to avoid that this work detracts from NPOV.

You're right in noting that it's odd that the organization doesn't have a name. The problem is that there are many branches, and there really isn't any umbrella term. I'm not sure what to do about this.

I noticed that you used the British spelling "practise". Is there a guideline on American vs British spelling? Thanks.TimidGuy 02:28, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's on my watchlist, and I get an impulse every now and then. I've been watching you improve the article a lot, I don't know how you have the patience (patiense?). Is there a guideline? Good grief, there's a wikitreatise and a battlefield, as I'm sure you know, TactfulGuy. ;P I didn't intend to change American to British, but only, according to my lights, to change the noun "practice" to the verb "practise". I understand now that to make such a distinction in spelling the parts of speech is British. Please change it back. It's not that I want "claims", it's just that "says" looks a little, well, style-wise, it's kind of childish, to my ears, in this kind of context. I'd hardly ever suggest "heightening" the style, I'm against all that, but honestly, in this case... How about "states"? Bishonen | talk 07:36, 15 November 2006 (UTC).

Thanks so much, Bishonen, for your kind words. : ) It means so much to me coming from an experienced editor and administrator like you. And I agree that "states" is a good choice. Thanks again. TimidGuy 12:06, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

New at this

I'd be happy to receive your help in properly sharing my information on the page. I'm completely new at this. I notice that statements counter to the TM position are "allowed" on the page, and there are several areas where I think such statements should be added.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanaats (talk • contribs)

Please talk to TimidGuy, Tanaats. I'm only a drive-by editor of TM. Bishonen | talk 07:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC).

RfC on RPJ

Hi. I'm advocating a case on behalf of a user who is experiencing numerous problems with RPJ. I can see from RPJ's talk page that you have interacted with him in the past. If you have a moment, would you be so kind as to head over to the RfC page and leave any guidance that might help in resolving this dispute. Thanks so much, and have a great day! →Bobby← 15:47, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I see that I warned him, then blocked him, for personal attacks and trolling back in April. (His charming comment on my block warning is still right there on his talkpage.) It looks from the RfC and the block log like his behavior hasn't changed any. I wonder if it may be getting time for a community ban on this persistently unpleasant editor, rather than bothering the ArbCom with an obvious case? Let me think on't. Bishonen | talk 16:46, 15 November 2006 (UTC).

Thank you for taking the time to comment on the RfC. For the record I have asked the Mediation Cabal to get involved, but only to bolster the case before taking it to the ArbCom. However, if this step is not necessary, I would certainly consider doing the Arbitration now. What do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramsquire (talk • contribs)

Do it now. If you cast your eye over a few old RFAR requests—look in the History of WP:RFAR—I think you'll find that cases this obvious do get accepted, rather than sent back with a request for prior mediation. I think the arbcom has realized, perhaps a little belatedly, that it's unfair to make good-faith editors jump through that pointless extra hoop before they can get POV warriors and abusers arbitrated. Arbitrators know that productive users deserve their protection and support. If I were you, I would more or less just link to the RFC, which is already very telling, and describe in a few words what's happening on it. Good luck. Bishonen | talk 22:10, 15 November 2006 (UTC).