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User:Anna Frodesiak.....thank you very much for the invite...but I will have to decline. As someone who now contributes alot to our policies and other admin pages I think it's best I stay above the fray of being an admin. I have been here a very very long time and think it's best if I am interpreting community consensus.... that I not be involved in daily implementation of thoses policies. I also think its best the next generation of Wikipedians police themselves. That said there are some tools I would like to use.....but not so much so that I would take on the burden of being an admin. Again thanks for thinking of me.--Moxy (talk) 03:15, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Need Your Help Solving a Mystery!

Dear Moxy,

I was just reading the article on Qin Shi Huang and noticed that the reference of its lede to his was downplayed by the clause "though a closer examination renders the account doubtful". Reviewing the article about the burning and burying, I noticed a section titled Skepticism, which was based on the work of a single unlinked scholar named Michael Nylan. I checked the talk page of Qin's article and found an unsigned comment complaining about this downplay, and here the story became even stranger. The complaint mentioned that the references justifying it were themselves of dubious quality, one being from the Falun Gong and the other a Christian media outlet. I have replied to the comment and am seeking the expertise of a Wikipedian focused on ancient Chinese history. I checked the China article and found you to have many recent edits there. Care to lend a hand?

Sincerely, Duxwing (talk) 01:52, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

The Washington Times

Hello,

I was just wondering if you can take a quick look at the talk page at The Washington Times about ongoing lead issues. There has been a lot of news spamming and unencyclopedic content pushed lately, and it would be nice to have someone more level headed look at it.

Thanks!

Marquis de Faux (talk) 00:38, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Australia's head of state, again

Howdy. An Rfc at Monarchy of Australia has opened, concerning the topic head of state. GoodDay (talk) 20:27, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

If you're able, please check for deletions of edits in the page history Travelmite (talk) 22:29, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

I like this source....what you guys think.... worded very well. Cheryl Saunders (2003). It's Your Constitution: Governing Today. Federation Press. p. 106. ISBN 978-1-86287-468-8.--Moxy (talk) 22:35, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes. Of course, every textbook would more or less say the same. No point to having an RfC when it is ignored and links to it deleted from the talk page. Travelmite (talk) 23:40, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Will be honest here....I'm a little lost on what you're talking about....what was deleted?--Moxy (talk) 23:43, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

I think Travelmite is pointing out that when Skyring made adjustments to the Rfc at Monarchy of Australia, he deleted my mentioning the 2016 Rfc which was held at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Politics. I've since restored it. GoodDay (talk) 23:48, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Skyring started an Rfc, about 20 minutes after I started mine. A bit a of mix up at first, but we combined the two in to one. GoodDay (talk) 23:50, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

I can't find any academic sources about this.... there are few that mention there's been a debate but that's clear to most scholars what the legal standing is.--Moxy (talk) 00:26, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

When the great David Smith declares the governor-general Australia's head of state, Elizabeth II just doesn't have a chance ;) GoodDay (talk) 17:30, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Oh yes. Skyring/Pete will dig in his heels. GoodDay (talk) 21:00, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Religions

Hi, I am having trouble transferring all my citations to the article so I am adding them manually.

Yaz.17 (talk) 17:15, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

@User:Yaz.17 best bring this to the articles talk page... references and formatting issues that need to be addressed before they will let you put it in.--Moxy (talk) 17:20, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

I re-uploaded it. There should be citations included now if you would like to check them out. Yaz.17 (talk) 17:23, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Don't get caught plagiarizing word for word?--Moxy (talk) 21:39, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

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Religion

Hi! I'm not seeing the copyvio problem there – could you lay it out for me in words of one syllable? I saw the text you searched for in the book, but not that it was in the content added by the student user. What did I miss? Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:11, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Dyslexia

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Opinion needed

Hello. Would you be interested to say your opinion about the issue raised here — Talk:List of heads of state of Angola#Requested move 2 November 2018? Thanks in advance. --Sundostund (talk) 02:17, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Slovak artists

How about requesting references first, before removing? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:05, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Going to copy info from main article.... list of people isn't helpful tells us nothing. Going to clean up the article.--Moxy (talk) 15:07, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Good luck! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Dammit the main art article was deleted as being unsourced and just a list like the main article.....will have to rewrite the section on my own. Working on this today and tomorrow.--Moxy (talk) 16:17, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

H. H. Holmes

Hi. I have reverted an edit of yours on this article, and would like to remind you about WP:BRD. When your Bold edit has been Reverted by another editor, the recommended next step, if you continue to think the edit is necessary, is to Discuss the dispute on the article talk page with other editors, but not to re-revert it, which is the first step to edit warring, a disruptive activity which is not allowed. Discussion on the talk page is the only way we have of reaching consensus, which is central to resolving editing disputes in an amicable and collegial manner, which is why communicating your concerns to your fellow editors is essential. While the discussion is going on, the article generally should remain in the status quo ante until the consensus as to what to do is reached.

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Pls join the ongoing chat about the new addition so and yes restore would be best Talk:H. H. Holmes#Moxy's edits.--Moxy (talk) 00:17, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

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Infobox Chinese templates

I think it is very cavalier of you to anoint yourself the arbiter of what is "useful" for English readers, especially when you did not move said information to "main page". CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 20:20, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

opps sorry forgot to save it to the other page ...all done now.--Moxy (talk) 20:46, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

No, that's besides the point. It is quite inappropriate to remove an infobox when there is an ongoing discussion on the content of said box. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 20:56, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Oh I see had no clue people were talking about the spammed boxes I thought it was the main infobox they wrere talking about. It should not be in the article to being with//// will explain on that tlak page in a bit.--Moxy (talk) 21:01, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

spammed boxes is merely your opinion. For instance, the infobox at ], now ], had been present since March 2010 before you unilaterally removed it. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 21:08, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Would be great if it was that size now or even the size when it passed the GA review...but on well.

I think it's quite clear that there's no consensus for your edits to China and Taiwan. Scriptions (talk) 22:20, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Seems your right nreserved sethe ofor efiotrs lIke it.. despite the accessibility concerns. When you guys have a chance you should read over WP:SANDWICH and WP:GALLERY and WP:UNDUE. Don't lose the GA status because your not aware of some basics.--Moxy (talk) 02:07, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Galleries in Uganda article.

Hello, I appreciate you contacting me about your concern about the galleries. I am been doing a lot of cite maintenance which led me to the Uganda article. I often edit for presentation if I see items to be improved. Example: I changed the use of multiple image to thumbnails to eliminate the use of px, WP:IMAGESIZE. I do not edit for content unless I am knowledgeable about the subject. The reason you gave for image removal was WP:SANDWICH which I am aware of. I felt the images added to the article and using a gallery was a more appropriate presentation. I used the second gallery to group the other random images. They were pushing other images away from article content, "Avoiding stack-ups", Help:Pictures. I agree that the article has too many images (including 2 for education) but contributors resist the removal of content. Content for many of the images is lacking. Example: The climate classification image has no supporting text in the article, not even a section header.

The images in the first gallery probably belong in Conservation in Uganda which was probably created to shorten the Uganda article but is lacking content. Like I said the images in the second gallery seem random and could easily be removed. Feel free to remove any content. -- User-duck (talk) 16:45, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

What's up?

Hey, Moxy...

If you have any questions or concerns about portals and the direction they are heading, I'd be happy to discuss them with you.

In the meantime, perhaps I can clarify the rationale behind the recent growth of the portal system...

The strength of the current portal model is to display between 20 and 70 topics. As you go over 70, the whole thing tends to bog down, such as with load times and possibly even time out errors. My guess is that most people won't bother to click through a slideshow much longer than that anyways. Cramming more into a portal simply overloads it while burying topics in overlong slideshows.

In order to do huge subjects justice, the tendency is to split them into multiple portals. That has been one factor driving the proliferation of portals.

But, we've been having trouble with some editors trying to make sense of portals as a whole, confused by the growing eclectic list of them.

What we've been focusing on over at the Portals WikiProject is subject or point-of-contact enhancement...

The big philosophical concept we are implicitly exploring these days is whether or not an article with a link to a like-named supporting portal is more enhanced than an article without such a link.

The answer seems to be that portals provide useful support to whatever subject they are made for (as long as they don't fall below the display range mentioned above), and therefore, they enhance the like-named subject articles they are added to.

That has been the main driving force for the creation of new portals.

With the technology we have at the moment, subjects with particular media support (such as a navbox footer and pictures on their root article) are much easier to build than those without those elements. Also, the limit of WP's search engine makes it difficult to harvest past the 11,000 results limit. These factors have influenced the current assortment of portals we have now.

Though, we are adapting ways to fill in the gaps.

As for the development of portal technology and features, the driving force has been the complaints lodged in the RfC of last Spring.

For example, one major complaint was that material on portals had grown stale (being unmaintained). Another was that their coverage never changed (being unmaintained). Yet another was that news items were out-of-date (being unmaintained).

Therefore, the Portals WikiProject undertook to redesign all the components of portals to make them run by themselves.

This has resulted in virtually maintenance-free portals.

A side-effect of this is that the code for portals is almost entirely interchangeable. The code for one often works for another. This has resulted in portals being able to be built in almost a single click.

Where this is heading has become rather obvious to some of us in the Portals WikiProject: eventually, there may not be any physical portal pages at all. Just a link or button on the sidebar menu that the reader clicks on to create a portal that appears on the fly, that disappears when they leave the page. We call that the "Quantum Portal".

Until then, portals must be stored pages, like all the rest of the pages on Misplaced Pages. But perhaps not for long. Quantum portals may be just a few years away.

There are many ways to look at the portals project, but the main factor of that area of the community is that it is a center of innovation and applied imagination. So, that makes it into a lab. Who knows what developments will come from there. We've already transformed portals once, and it looks very likely that portals will transform again and again. The portals of the future may be something very different indeed.

Only time will tell.

I think it is a healthy thing.

We are already seeing glimpses of possible applications for the underlying technologies to be applied to improving other areas of Misplaced Pages. Such as semi-automating development and maintenance of outlines, indexes, glossaries, books, navbox footers, articles (see Food), and so on.

MediaWiki has evolved into a robust wiki-supporting system, but many of its innovations have been made with non-Misplaced Pages wikis in mind. The design of the main encyclopedia has been relatively unchanging or static. Therefore, in order to remain in touch with MediaWiki's improved capabilities, we need centers of innovation like the portals project. The editors there are tinkering with some very interesting tools, which they may in the future apply all over the place in new and useful ways.

I hope I've been able to provide some perspective on portals and how they fit into the big picture. Again, if you have any questions or concerns about portals and the direction they are heading, feel free to share them with me.

Cheers.

Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   00:08, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

I agree with The Transhumanist's "crash course" summary here. Portals really were about to be killed off, as unmaintained, outdated junk, and have been saved by a measure of automation as to their content presentation, though there are ways of "sculpting" that. The new system keeps them functional for readers without much editorial overhead.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  00:49, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Good point. Regarding sculpting, they are highly modular, and highly customizable, with several contributory templates to choose from.    — The Transhumanist   09:44, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

What about the original colors?

• This all sounds great ....so we can keep all the colors...any way to pic only FA images for Portal:Canada? Would love to see portals I made keep there official colours....--Moxy (talk) 14:38, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

• Canada
• Ontario

WikiProject Canada

In answer to a question from The Transhumanist on my talk page: {{Box-header colour}} accept a |colour= parameter which can be set to standard values such as red or to a RGB hexadecimal value in the form #rrggbb, e.g. #ff0000 for red. (|color= should also work.) Certes (talk) 00:23, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

@Certes: See Web colors#X11 color names. The colors rendered by Box-header colour are not the same as the colors inputted. Indigo, for example, turns out like Medium Orchid:

Border colours and text colours are also lost.

Evad applied some algorithm to convert the entered colors to MOS-compliant accessible colors.

Canadian Red turns out like this:

For the actual color, see https://www.colourlovers.com/color/C40C0C/Canadian_Red

It would be nice to customize, when a specific color theme is desired.    — The Transhumanist   00:46, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Portal:United States has a color problem too.--Moxy (talk) 04:23, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Ah, I see! The template uses Module:Color contrast to tone down the colours in a complicated way. Essentially, it produces a pastel shade in the right part of the spectrum which would make a suitable background for black text. I can see why you might not want to do that, as pinky grey doesn't really shout "Canada". We'd either need a fork of Box-header which does the same thing without the colour mangling, or some new parameters to override the calculations and specify the various colours explicitly. I expect that this is all done because some colour combinations have accessibility issues, but I hope that readers who can see the current version would be equally comfortable with white on dark red. Certes (talk) 13:00, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

On second thoughts, it's probably best to use {{Box-header}} directly:

Canada is a big country with lots of red and white things.

Certes (talk) 13:14, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

@Certes: Cool. Thank you! Now I can do Portal:Color.    — The Transhumanist   18:33, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

I also think that for the country related portals, falling back to {{Box-header}} will be a good idea (that's how I got the colors at it at Portal:India) — fr  14:05, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Canada's issue

Can I add the sound file of the national anthem "O Canada" to the article. Mr. James Dimsey (talk) 13:33, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

There have been a few talks about it in the past and most seem to have a problem with it especially the of key American band version.--Moxy (talk) 16:44, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you again

I thank you for editing the article and removing this huge amount of images. Because if the religion section has many images, this will not be something fair to the rest of the other sections. Mr. James Dimsey (talk) 14:26, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

how did you do this?

With this edit to List of Canadian monarchs, you added a citation that looks like this:

<ref name="LanegranUrness2008">''''. Minnesota Historical Society Press; 2008. <templatestyles src="Module:Citation/CS1/styles.css" />] ]. p. 10.</ref>

This cite has similarities to cites that I've seen elsewhere what were done by visual editor and that include underlying html normally provided by the cs1|2 templates. This cite lacks all of that except for this:

<templatestyles src="Module:Citation/CS1/styles.css" />

which, as far as I know, is used only by the cs1|2 module suite and {{Catalog lookup link}}. That tag shouldn't normally appear in article wikitext.

So, what I'd like to know is: what were the steps you followed to make this edit?

—Trappist the monk (talk) 01:36, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

No clue what your talking about. ...source was copied over from another article and looks to have been there for a decade..--Moxy (talk) 01:52, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Can you point me to that article? I can't seem to find any use of the book title 'Minnesota on the Map: A Historical Atlas', it's ISBN, or its url in any article except List of Canadian monarchs.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 09:28, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

and I under stand now I need to wait to see what other people say about it so I will wait to see what other people say thanks for working with me

Thank you!!

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New Zealand photo

I was going through the article of New Zealand and found some amazing content. I was wondering if you would like to use our image as a source?

https://e179972f79f7516043ae-53e9ddd31018e7e74260f1cf6690e837.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/c_134-holiday.jpg?

 Eagerly waiting for your reply :)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Argha09 (talk • contribs) 07:09, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Please explain

Hi Moxy, could you please explain this reversal? There were some good edits in there. Thanks. Thayts ••• 17:36, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for bring it up....in the revert I missed a good IP edit as seen below. Other then that ....removed 2 images added because of sandwich to text ... removed duplication of portals at the bottom.... and a language abbreviation in the lead has been disputed for a long time.--Moxy (talk) 22:23, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Alright, well there were also some grammar fixes. I agree with you about the language in the lead. Thayts ••• 08:28, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

English forces under the Earl of Leicester and then Lord Willoughby faced the Spanish in the Netherlands under the Duke of Parma in a series of largely indecisive actions that tied down significant numbers of Spanish troops and bought time for the Dutch to reorganise their defenses.

References

1. Ground Warfare: An International Encyclopedia, Volume 1. ABC-CLIO. 2002. p. 45.

Merry Xmas

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Kyrgyzstan edit

Hello Moxy!

This message is in reference to the recent edit you made to the Kyrgyzstan Misplaced Pages page "(→‎Gender in Kyrgyzstan: moving huge new addition from student to main article on the topic Demographics of Kyrgyzstan as per WP:UNDUE lots for this country overview article)." I took a look at the WP:UNDUE that you cited and don't quite understand how my contribution does not abide by the guidelines for "depth of detail, quantity of text, prominence of placement, juxtaposition of statements and imagery" that would deem a contribution inappropriate. As a new user, I would appreciate your expertise and input.

Thank you! Charlotteaurelius (talk) 23:55, 16 December 2018 (UTC) Misplaced Pages talk:Wiki Ed/California State University Long Beach/International Studies 319 TuesThurs (Fall 2018)

Country articles are supposed to be overviews of all the topics related to the country.... what was added overwhelming and far too much detail for this article..... it was moved to Demographics of Kyrgyzstan ...a more suitable article.--Moxy (talk) 00:00, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I understand what you mean about detail, however, the politics section of the Kyrgyzstan article is lengthy and contains multiple subheadings as well. Gender seems to be a relevant topic to the overview of a country, as is religion or politics. Do you think a shorter section would fit the guidelines for due and undue weight better? Thanks again!

Charlotteaurelius (talk) 00:12, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Adding a paragraph on the topic would be resonable. ....noting was lost... tell your teacher it's all at Demographics of Kyrgyzstan. Will be doing this with the majority of additions.--Moxy (talk) 00:17, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your concern about my professor being able to access my work. Thankfully Misplaced Pages Edu gives professors access to all student work, whether or not it is moved or deleted. My inquiry was for my own purposes. Could you clarify your last statement? Thanks, Charlotteaurelius (talk) 00:32, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Gender Equality added gender equality portion from sandbox https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User:Nw510510/sandbox&redirect=no

How's it going man I think you keep reversing my contributions. I'm trying to add a section on gender equality in Eritrea for one of my college assignments can you revert my additions back on the main page? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nw510510 (talk • contribs) 04:17, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

the additions are inappropriate for the pager trying to find them 2. Please continue editing the page you created.--Moxy (talk) 04:20, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

pls do not add this all over.... your draft page is fine for your assignment. Will be emailing the teacher explaining what the problem is with the addition by all the students.--Moxy (talk) 05:10, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

• Hi Moxy - we're going to get in touch with the professor. I'm sorry that this happened. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:18, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Gender Equality dded gender equality portion from sandbox https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User:Nw510510/sandbox&redirect=no

What do you mean inappropiate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nw510510 (talk • contribs) 04:31, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Remove my section on the VR article

Hi!

I was wondering if you would care to elaborate on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Virtual_reality&diff=871092017&oldid=871074106&diffmode=visual You removed it on the ground of: "remove as its sourced to a private YouTube channel" I do not really understand this. Does this mean that you cannot refer to SpaceX's offical youtube channel as a source for their rockets?

Sincerely — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrconter1 (talk • contribs) 11:00, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Splitting articles

Hey, I noticed you are splitting out articles created by WikiEd students. Articles that are split need attribution (see WP:SPLIT). Also, categories would be helpful. Natureium (talk) 17:49, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Yup will go back and fix it all after I do 27 more--Moxy (talk) 20:24, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

@Moxy:​ the easiest way to give proper attribution when splitting articles is to provide a link to the source article in your edit summary. Trying to comply with attribution policies after performing the split would be considerably more work. Bradv🍁 22:37, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

I agree with Bradv's comment that attribution is most easily done at the time the edit is made. Besides that, other things may intervene, both on- and off-Misplaced Pages (formerly called, "real life"), and you may never get around to the intended attribution later. Remember that, unlike Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines which are recommendations, attribution is not "merely" policy, it is obligatory per Misplaced Pages's licensing requirements. Also, articles that are split should have discussions on the Talk page first, unless they are completely uncontroversial. There has already been at least one split performed that doesn't meet this criterion (Chad). See also the discussion at Wiki Ed Noticeboard. Adding Natureium. Mathglot (talk) 08:33, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

In the case of the split of portions of Mauritania to Slavery in Mauritania, I see no consensus justification for the split on either of the two article Talk pages or anywhere else. Furthermore, the split was incorrectly carried out. Some portions of what you removed from the article was written no later than 14:00, November 29, 2016 by CollinsTheRock (diff) and therefore antedates recent Wiki Ed student editing at the article by two years. This material should not have been removed without discussion or attribution. (There may be other, even older content that was removed; it would take me too long to run it all down, so I didn't bother.) For the moment, I've reversed this split to the status quo ante, until we can figure out where we are on this one.

This was rather a minor headache to figure out, document, and fix. I don't relish the idea of doing it again twenty more times. Can you please hold off on any more splits for the time being, and go to the Talk pages of the articles concerned, or some other appropriate venue, to discuss these splits first? If you have performed other splits, please immediately raise a discussion on the Talk page of the article(s) concerned to justify it (them) as noncontroversial, and please double-check that the content you moved was the content you intended to move. I should note that this article and the Chad article are the only recent article splits of yours that I have checked. I have no idea what the status of any others might be. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 09:09, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

I dont think you understand what is going on here. We have students adding huge sections to our country articles that are essays style and overwhelming undue in size for theses articles. I an not going to sit here and see our article all messed up because some kid needs to pass a course. Fell free to join an ongoing chat at Talk:Yemen#Infant mortality section one of the many examples....as per WP:EDITCONSENSUS --Moxy (talk) 12:51, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

I've added the required attribution for ten splits you did from December 15 to 17. Please do this yourself in the future when moving content from one article to another. It's required by the terms of our license. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 15:23, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much....... had every intention on fixing when done.... but have been having to deal with some that don't know what's going on. Still waiting on email from the teacher.--Moxy (talk) 17:11, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm following the discussion at WP:ENB and I do understand what you say about students adding unduly long sections to country articles. I appreciate your efforts towards dealing with it. Multiple avenues are open for this: reversion, reduction to proportional length, split leaving summary behind, and so on. Still, leaving attribution is required and not optional.

You're right that the professor needs to become involved if this is as widespread as you claim. As User:Ian (Wiki Ed) said in this post to you at ENB, the best way to do this is by going through the appropriate Wiki Ed person, as they have additional methods of contact open to them. I'm sure they would give you a heads-up if you ping them. I don't think the situation is of such extreme urgency that one needs to rush to split immediately without attribution, and approaching this too precipitously may lead to compounding the issue as in the case of Mauritania. I'll have a look at Yemen, thanks for the tip. Mathglot (talk) 18:24, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

I think I can see why this is a big problem all over this year over passed years....pls see User talk:Diannaa#Tank you so much.--Moxy (talk) 18:36, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Moxy, when it comes to something like this, you should treat student editors like other Wikipedians. If they dump a whole lot of content into an article that you can viably split into an article, I think you should do so. It's helpful to explain to the student what you did, and it's good if you can ping me (or Shalor, or Elysia, based on what's assigned to the course), in case we need to explain anything further to them or the instructor. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:09, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Sound good I will add more to my post to them and link our policies and guidelines in the edit summary. Pls see my post at Diannaa page as linked above. You guys are running into some serious problems and most people aren't like me and won't move things will just delete them. --Moxy (talk) 19:17, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Merry

		Happy Christmas!
		Hello Moxy, Early in A Child's Christmas in Wales the young Dylan and his friend Jim Prothero witness smoke pouring from Jim's home. After the conflagration has been extinguished Dylan writes that Nobody could have had a noisier Christmas Eve. And when the firemen turned off the hose and were standing in the wet, smoky room, Jim's Aunt, Miss. Prothero, came downstairs and peered in at them. Jim and I waited, very quietly, to hear what she would say to them. She said the right thing, always. She looked at the three tall firemen in their shining helmets, standing among the smoke and cinders and dissolving snowballs, and she said, "Would you like anything to read?" My thanks to you for your efforts to keep the 'pedia readable in case the firemen chose one of our articles :-) Best wishes to you and yours and happy editing in 2019. MarnetteD|Talk 08:44, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Help portal

Sorry, didn't know.    — The Transhumanist   12:45, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

NP....::).--Moxy (talk) 12:49, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello there

I am a newcomer to Misplaced Pages. I don't know much. Please help me and teach me, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndyUSWCAX (talk • contribs) 03:01, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

2019

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:55, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Please check out "Happy" once more, for a smile, and sharing (a Nobel Peace Prize), and resolutions. I wanted that for 1 January, but then wasn't sad about having our music pictured instead. Not too late for resolutions, New Year or not. DYK that he probably kept me on Misplaced Pages, back in 2012? By the line (which brought him to my attention, and earned the first precious in br'erly style) that I added to my editnotice, in fond memory? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:35, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Edit

Is this edit right? I have never seen any rule that says Centre always comes first. It's usually left to right... IsabelleFlake (talk) 19:23, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

It makes sense I guess....there's no rule.--Moxy (talk) 22:01, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

AN/I notice

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. DARTHBOTTO _talk•cont 17:36, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Random images

Yup, as I had thought, it was different earlier, as in: {{#switch: {{#expr: {{CURRENTSECOND}} mod 9}} |0=], Madhya Pradesh.]] |1=] (standing second from left), after winning the finals at the ]—their third of six consecutive Olympic golds.]] |2=], Rajasthan]] |3=], Karnataka]] |4=] |5=].]] |6=]'', a martial art native to Kerala]] |7=] competes at a chess tournament in 2005. Chess is commonly believed to have originated in India in the 5th century CE.]] |8=] has set many batting records, including most runs in both tests and ODIs and most number of centuries in both tests and ODIs, making him one of the most successful cricketers ever.]] }}

This is not a real program though, which would have required Saravask's skills, and I myself could have written it. Will investigate why and when it was changed. These are the headaches in a heavily trafficked article such as India. You should really repost it there. There was no edit-warring over this bit. Thanks for catching it though. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:44, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

I removed my post... as I see in a section above people are talking about this. It is very odd to see images changing some more relevant than others some better quality than others etc.. but I see you're engaging in problems a lot larger than just images. Looks like someone took portal technology and slipped it into an article in an attempt to shoehorn in every image they liked. Wondering if we should bring this up see if others think we should have a policy against or for this type of thing in an article.--Moxy (talk) 15:53, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Could you explain "portal technology" a little please? I didn't understand that part clearly. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 17:09, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

They use Template:Random slideshow to pic random images.--Moxy (talk) 19:23, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Visible minorities tables

My recollection is that a user was behind the mass additions of visibility minorities tables that were full of zeroes, such as would be created from this for Two Hills, Alberta, but major cities have zero zeroes in their demographic composition, which is why the tables are appropriate at Edmonton, Calgary, etc. I have tried finding the banned user but have had no luck yet. Thought it was Djodjo666 but no block history. Perhaps that was a sock of a sockmaster. Looks like I am totally wrong on that. My wires likely just got crossed with my memory of Djodjo666 adding equivalent tables at one point. (Sorry Djodjo666). Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 02:54, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

So I found this discussion – Offensive demographics tables – which the now permanently blocked xenophobic UrbanNerd initiated, characterizing these tables unjustly as offensive. Djodjo666, Moxy, and I were each involved among others. Hwy43 (talk) 04:23, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Also (and off-topic) why are there no edit buttons associated with each section on your talk page?! :) Hwy43 (talk) 04:24, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

That looks about right....I posted a message on one of the city articles. As will start the consensus process again.--Moxy (talk) 04:47, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Hooray, edit button! Thanks.

With the clarity you have since provided at Talk:Edmonton#Do we need to duplicate PROSE in a chart? I think this is easily resolvable. I will cease advancing this here and keep it over there. Hwy43 (talk) 04:53, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

H:? listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect H:?. Since you had some involvement with the H:? redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Steel1943 (talk) 17:03, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Help listed at Redirects for discussion

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Portal:Help listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Portal:Help. Since you had some involvement with the Portal:Help redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Steel1943 (talk) 17:06, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

I took care of the problem....as last thing we want are people not familiar with our help system redirect thousands of pages to the wrong thing.--Moxy (talk) 16:05, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Poverty in Ethiopia

https://en.wikipedia.org/Poverty_in_Ethiopia

"Despite these improvements, poverty is still extremely low within the country"

do you mean high?

http://www.worldbank.org/en/topic/poverty/publication/ethiopia-poverty-assessment

poverty remains widespread in Ethiopia

Libby Kane (talk)

Help requested for Template:Ancient history

This template has seen a lot of content dispute recently. Some accounts (and ip addresses) just keep making wholesale changes to the entire structure of the template without discussion at the talk page. I had recently requested and obtained protection for it, but it expires in a week. Could you keep this in your watchlist or suggest some one else in topic area history to do the same. Regards, (gnanvit (talk) 07:05, 20 January 2019 (UTC))

I don't know how to read or find what you told me was being discussed. It's hard to understand this website

I don't know how to read or find what you told me was being discussed. It's hard to understand this website — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:F2C0:E006:34:1124:5606:3E04:189A (talk) 00:49, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Great to hear from you have been trying to communicate for days with you. Could you read over WP:Quotations and WP:Circular.--Moxy (talk) 00:53, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Ok thank you I'll take those two things under consideration and I really appreciate you sending them my way!

Where/how do you think creating links between articles should happen? Adding to "see also" headings? adding/links to many articles in the article

does my question make sense? I'm trying to help with what I percieve to bea lack of some cohesion — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:F2C0:E006:34:1124:5606:3E04:189A (talk) 01:12, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Hopefully MOS:SEEALSO will help.... but basically we don't need to link common terms like Canada or terms already Linked In the article.--Moxy (talk) 01:20, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

thanks again for more info, and that summation — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:F2C0:E006:34:1124:5606:3E04:189A (talk) 01:24, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Hal Lesueur birth certificate

Greetings, could you please explain why the source is not usable? It is also available through familysearch.org for everyone to review. 78.87.46.5 (talk) 07:15, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello?!?

you did not respond to my message above. Why not? Libby Kane (talk)

Pls review WP:ANCESTRY.COM-EL.--Moxy (talk) 20:37, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

that was someone else's message. I'll post my message again below... Libby Kane (talk)

Poverty in Ethiopia

https://en.wikipedia.org/Poverty_in_Ethiopia

"Despite these improvements, poverty is still extremely low within the country"

do you mean high?

http://www.worldbank.org/en/topic/poverty/publication/ethiopia-poverty-assessment

poverty remains widespread in Ethiopia

Libby Kane (talk)

feel free to make any adjustments with sources as you see fit..... I'm not the creator of the content just the person to transfer the information to a new article from an existing page.--Moxy (talk) 02:13, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

but you didn't attribute the article to anyone other than yourself so you are infringing on the copyright of someone else (or multiple people). Libby Kane (talk

See page history. --Moxy (talk) 20:27, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

THANK YOU MOXY

I never imagined that you would welcome me but on that note thankagain (----) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Praisenwachi200 (talk • contribs) 18:54, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

NEED A FAVOUR!!!

I am a new user in Misplaced Pages so if I may .see a tourist that would be you. Agreed pretty please I really. need it okay text your reply to my talk page (----) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Praisenwachi200 (talk • contribs) 19:11, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Moxy

Mythologies of the indigenous peoples of the Americas

Many thanks for your comment on my recent edit. You say that" "OMG theses source have zero value now"

Far from being 'of zero value', they are actually invaluable and very precious records of stories that would otherwise have been lost. Far from going out of date, these sources are all UNIQUE RECORDS of myths that were transcribed around the turn of the 20th century. Academics depend on such records to write studies of mythology.

All are available to view online via websites such as archive.org. So they are still very much alive

I've been working with world myths and legends for over 30 years and have written collections for many prestigious publishers including the British Museum, Oxford University Press and Cambridge University Press so I do know what I am talking about!

Don't hesitate to get in touch if you'd to discuss this further. Best wishes TraditionalTales (talk) 11:56, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Operation Barbarossa Hitlers wiki page

@Moxy:Jack90s15 (talk) 05:02, 3 February 2019 (UTC) I just changed it because that's not the proper statistic for Operation Barbarossa,it was about 3 million. I was just trying to make sure that the right information is portrayed. that is why I linked it to the operation Barbarossa page, since it shows total size of the force, which is about 3m for the the axis powers for June 22.

Will add real source with state André Mineau (2004). Operation Barbarossa: Ideology and Ethics Against Human Dignity. Rodopi. p. 1. ISBN 90-420-1633-7..--Moxy (talk) 05:11, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Apologies

So sorry about reverting your edit to Singapore I think I may have done an accidental rollback there. Cheers! 1.02 editor (C651 set 217/218) 05:17, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Top icons

Genuinely out of curiosity, where was the consensus/idea to add check mark top icons to the various templates you've been changing? Primefac (talk) 14:12, 10 February 2019 (UTC) (please ping on reply)

@Primefac:No talk trying it out.....waiting for feed back.....great to see someone finaly notice. What do you think does it make it clear that pages are policy or a guideline? TrYing it after a talk i saw about how our protocol pages seem like all the other pages and should be distinguished like an FA article. Was thinking if people like it..to move the template to a permanent home not in the temp..but transcluded automatically. It is odd our protocols dont have there own namespace or identifier like the MOS. I have no problem reverting if its causing some sort of tec issues,,,or if it was to bold.--Moxy (talk) 14:30, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

My initial reaction is that it is redundant and perhaps confusing given the inherent connotations of a check mark. Please ping me with a link to the discussion if you start one; I'm interested in what others think about this. — Godsy_CONT) 10:13, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

My thoughts somewhat echo Godsy's; I saw the check mark on the WP pages first and had no idea why it was there (was it a new system of patrolling, did they change the protection top icons, etc). Primefac (talk) 11:11, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

So really no problems you guys just didn't like it? no technical problems right? So 2 comments that is confusing and 12 thanks...so in general most think its a good idea will make a proposal soon.-- Moxy (talk) 12:20, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (Macedonia) - 2019 RFC

Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (Macedonia)/2019 RFC is not open yet. Your edits have been reverted. Please wait for when it formally opens. -- ✿ SilentResident ✿ 22:51, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Formally opens??? Not how that works at all but ok.--Moxy (talk) 22:53, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

The text which writes "THE DISCUSSION IS NOT YET OPEN, PLEASE DO NOT COMMENT", is quite clear on this. Sorry for that. -- ✿ SilentResident ✿ 22:56, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

I dont think you understood my comment ...cant tell people to post later after the RfC has been advertised. If still in draft space that would be ok...but after its posted not a good idea...when can I make corrections and post next month?? in a week? Was just about to make more corrections and remove the "draft notice" you highlighted above. If this only to be edited by one person it should be in their user space--Moxy (talk)

Actually the problem is you casted your vote in it, when you shouldn't. . Thats why you have been reverted. No votes, no matter from whom, are permitted until it opens. You are welcome to contribute to the RfC but without voting in it while closed. -- ✿ SilentResident ✿ 00:04, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Ok i get it you revert all without considering the corrections and amendments I get it. ..perfect that was all clear as mud!!!--Moxy (talk) 00:09, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

When the problematic changes are spread in more than one edit and sandwiched among your votes, then it is not like as if you gave me any options. Sorry. Next time be more careful. -- ✿ SilentResident ✿ 00:20, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

All good.....correction was reimplemented and I finally got a voice at the talk page . :-) --Moxy (talk) 00:24, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Poland

Hi,

I will have a look about the gallery soon. Thank you for letting me know about the scroll issue. I think your multiple image box is suitable, but then the map of universities above must be deleted to avoid clutter. It is outdated anyways. Best Regards. Oliszydlowski, 01:42, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi

I don't go to Canada to do this. I appreciate if you discuss all over the world before removing so much. Our page was already vandalised and the reactions will be mixed. No reason of oppression. I feel oppressed sometimes on Misplaced Pages (mockeries, oppression, dictatorship). Christina (talk) 18:03, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

You want me to do what? are you sure English Misplaced Pages is a place for you?--Moxy (talk) 19:19, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes, it is. Look, I was pissed off because our greatest kings, Burebista and Decebalus (Dacian), and Emperor Trajan (Romania) were deleted. Hungary article for instance has at least 2 galleries if not more, we have none for Romania. So I thought it's really unfair. You must understand, that here it starts our history. With Dacia and Roman Dacia. BOTH sanctuaries are to be kept, that's why I posted them again. We are called ROMANIA, Romania comes from Romans (Roman cohorts that mixed with the Dacians). Then the map of Dacia under Burebista is also important because it's exactly like present Romania. The Skull is also hugely important for Europe, since it's the oldest. Regarding the Cucuteni culture, it's really not that important. At least 65% of the territory is on present Ukraine and not Romania. What we lost very important, were the kings plus maybe that Christian cross. So now you understand why some users are emotional when you remove photos on their countries. Christina (talk) 19:51, 12 February 2019 (UTC)