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** '''Was solved + you informed''' - use Wikidata To store data in templates populating Infobox settlement is not the way to go. It is a fringe solution. You can easily monitor vandalism in WD. On, top, it will not be only you - what happens if you are gone? - but other users too. Cape Verde data is probably interesting to other Wikipedias too? ] (]) 01:21, 4 March 2019 (UTC) ** '''Was solved + you informed''' - use Wikidata To store data in templates populating Infobox settlement is not the way to go. It is a fringe solution. You can easily monitor vandalism in WD. On, top, it will not be only you - what happens if you are gone? - but other users too. Cape Verde data is probably interesting to other Wikipedias too? ] (]) 01:21, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
*** Wikidata is not a solution: that would mean I have to make 240 edits there to update populations after a new census. You may call it a fringe solution (there is no official ban on data templates, is there?), but it works well and requires little maintenance. And what happens whem I’m gone? Well, that’s what the documentation is for. If for instance Portuguese[REDACTED] is interested (they’re only one that has a similar number of articles on Cape Verde), they can copy the data template. ] <sup>]</sup> 07:27, 4 March 2019 (UTC) *** Wikidata is not a solution: that would mean I have to make 240 edits there to update populations after a new census. You may call it a fringe solution (there is no official ban on data templates, is there?), but it works well and requires little maintenance. And what happens whem I’m gone? Well, that’s what the documentation is for. If for instance Portuguese[REDACTED] is interested (they’re only one that has a similar number of articles on Cape Verde), they can copy the data template. ] <sup>]</sup> 07:27, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
**** '''Hoax'''. No need to make 240 edits. ] (]) 14:21, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
* '''Support''' - individual wrappers are a barrier for users that are not familiar with them. And every time a feature is missing the wrapper has to be edited. ] (]) 21:13, 3 March 2019 (UTC) * '''Support''' - individual wrappers are a barrier for users that are not familiar with them. And every time a feature is missing the wrapper has to be edited. ] (]) 21:13, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
* '''Oppose'''. Template {{tl|Infobox Russian District}} was recently converted to wrapper after it was taken to TfD by people who prefer principles over actual usability, and against my objections. Now it does not work and shows false information (see ] for example). If {{tl|Template:Infobox Russian federal subject}} gets converted to wrapper, against my objections - and I am currently the only user who works with these templates - it is not going to work and will show false information as well.--] (]) 21:29, 3 March 2019 (UTC) * '''Oppose'''. Template {{tl|Infobox Russian District}} was recently converted to wrapper after it was taken to TfD by people who prefer principles over actual usability, and against my objections. Now it does not work and shows false information (see ] for example). If {{tl|Template:Infobox Russian federal subject}} gets converted to wrapper, against my objections - and I am currently the only user who works with these templates - it is not going to work and will show false information as well.--] (]) 21:29, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

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Module:See also if exists

Nearly duplicate modules, only difference is that Module:Category see also if exists hardcodes category namespace. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 04:34, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Also, it seems like bad code design to me that neither template is a wrapper around the corresponding template without the "if exists" suffix, and instead hardcodes its text. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 04:37, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose (as creator of both). No, that's not only difference. {{Category see also if exists}} does not require the "Category:" namespace prefix when linking categories. Thousands of uses will break if this is required.
See these examples:
  1. {{See also if exists|Category:Spain}} → See also: Category:Spain
  2. {{Category see also if exists|Category:Spain}} → See also: Category:Spain
  3. {{See also if exists|Spain}} → See also: Spain
  4. {{Category see also if exists|Spain}} → See also: Category:Spain
Also, {{Category see also if exists}} displays a warning if none of the items exists. {{See also if exists}} gives no warning.
It would save everyone a lot of time if @Pppery did some WP:BEFORE and actually examined and tested modules&templates before nominating them as near-duplicates. This nom replicates the lack of homework in Pppery's nomination at WP:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 December 29#Template:Cat_main. I just hope we don't have the same levels of bluster and obfuscation as Pppery displayed then. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:01, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
I'm not proposing merging the templates, I'm proposing merging the modules while having the two templates still do their separate things, which can be done without breaking thousands of uses. {{category see also if exists}} and {{see also if exists}} will continue to exist, and both will use the same module, passing it different parameters which the module can use to distinguish between the two cases. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 05:16, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Sigh. Still no acknowledgement that you had not spotted the key difference, nor any clarity about whether/how you propose to retain the distinctions. Just like last time.
@Pppery, for the avoidance of drama, why don't you simply:
  • withdraw this nom
  • design the merged module in a sandbox, so that you can actually show that what you propose is possible without creating unwieldy code
  • if we agree that it works, then we can just boldly merge. If not, bring it back to TFD.
Personally, I think that this whole thing is waste of time, but if you do want to spend your time this way, then I don't see why you would object to demonstrating your proposed code before an XFD. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:34, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
@BrownHairedGirl: I've written a merged module at Module:See also if exists/sandbox, with Template:Category see also if exists/sandbox and Template:See also if exists/sandbox calling it. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 14:48, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
@Pppery: please don't make me do the spadework. Please do a sandbox for both templates, and demonstrate them with a set of testcases like I did above. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:05, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
@BrownHairedGirl: Done. Both tests are green at both Template:Category see also if exists/testcases and Template:See also if exists/testcases and both Template:See also if exists/sandbox and Template:Category see also if exists/sandbox call Module:See also if exists/sandbox. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 16:09, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: It is better to let other editors (apart from BHG and Pppery) comment.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hhkohh (talk) 00:44, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@Hhkohh: What exactly do you mean the the relisting comment: It is better to pend other editors comments. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 04:44, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Pppery, fixed. Just mean I hope other editors comment here in next 7 days Hhkohh (talk) 05:03, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Puke

Unused and seemly inappropriate template. I'm guessing this is supposed to be subst-only? I'd say stick to WP:TROUT... Zackmann (/What I been doing) 23:59, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

  • Delete unless convincing reason to remain is found. --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:00, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete - seems pretty offensive. --Gonnym (talk) 07:50, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete; never used. Jc86035 (talk) 11:22, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
    @Jc86035: I just used it and it didn't show up in search from that link ~ R.T.G 13:40, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
    @RTG: That's because you didn't substitute it. The search would only match your use of the template if you'd substituted it, since it searches for part of the contents of the template and not the name of the template. Jc86035 (talk) 13:46, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
    @Jc86035: Understood and done, thanks. ~ R.T.G 13:49, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  • We created the template after there was an excessive amount of people people trouting people for the silliest things and it was getting somewhat ridiculous, I think. It's very clearly a joke, given the message contents and the TINC banner on the template page itself. I'm not sure how it could be offensive. I didn't expect for it to ever be used. If people are intent on deletion, please userfy it for me. Legoktm (talk) 07:44, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep ~ R.T.G 13:40, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
    @RTG: Why? Jc86035 (talk) 13:42, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
    @Jc86035:Why? Because he used suicide as a joke and people got offended and he rubbished them for it. Endless bad faith, puke. Check out the talk section on WPSignpost humour page for this month and you'll get the idea. ~ R.T.G 13:44, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
    @RTG: No, I meant, why should we keep the template? I'm not disagreeing of your use of it, although you're the only person who's ever used it. Just saying "keep", as I'm sure you're aware, is not really a substantive argument. Jc86035 (talk) 13:48, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
    @Jc86035: I suppose, because it is puking on McCandlish. I think that is very substantive! A more serious opinion? Awk, it's probably not very constructive, and it's too big. The words suggest it was used only once for a specific issue. Maybe it would be okay in a reduced image format without the text, so it could be used in comments, but you'd have to use it a lot for it to catch on. ~ R.T.G 13:55, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep. I just received one of these, over a matter of "probably beyond {{Whale}}" socio-political interest to the community at large, and found it both hilarious and effective in getting the templater's message across. Given that I just posted something recently in my own defense that "this is not NeverOffendPedia", I'd be hypocritical to argue to censor a humor-not-humor template just because some people might be offended by it.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  13:53, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
    @SMcCandlish: I think the nomination is more "no one ever used this" than "this is offensive", since the use on your talk page (as mentioned above) is so far the only use of the template. Jc86035 (talk) 13:58, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
    Now that's funny, ~ R.T.G 14:01, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
    Hmm. I generally buy that argument for utility templates (if not used, there is no utility). I'm not sure it's so good for community-interaction ones intended for project and user space. Given my talk-page-stalker rate (which has probably markedly increased over the last 3 days), it might see more use. :-) Sometimes templates languish due to orphaning and can get picked up after they've appeared in a few places. (Categorization and inclusion in lists of templates also plays a role.)  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  14:04, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete and then re-purpose as 🤮, which could see a lot more uses. —Kusma (t·c) 14:13, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Template:PulitzerPrize HistoryAuthors

Unused navbox that is superseded by Template:PulitzerPrize History Zackmann (/What I been doing) 23:58, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Punjab Gharana Lineage Tree

Unused navbox, no parent article, mostly redlinks. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 23:57, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Punjab MLAs

Unused navbox, no parent article, mostly redlinks. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 23:56, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Purveyors to the Royal Court of Austria-Hungary

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 23:55, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:T-Team F.C.

Unused navbox with mostly red links Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:25, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:TRT 1 programming

Unused navbox with no parent article and full of red links Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:25, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

  • Delete - 3 links only. Also as a personal opinion, these style of navboxes are pointless as the fact that they share a channel has almost no relevance to a reader. A reader would more likely care about similar programs on different channels broadcast at the same year (Modern Family and Big Bang Theory) then two different programs on the same channel which were broadcast years apart. For those cases where a reader does want to read the broadcast history, we have a List of X article and categories. --Gonnym (talk) 07:50, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Template:Tai Chung FC squad

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:24, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

  • Delete - it actually does have a parent article at Resources Capital FC, however that article does not list a squad so this navbox is pointless. The article should be created before a navbox which can't be verified and kept updated. --Gonnym (talk) 07:50, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
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Template:TamilNaduStatewideOfficials

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:24, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Tchadense

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:24, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Television in Europe categories

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:24, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Television stations in Afghanistan

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:24, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Telford and Wrekin

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:24, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:The Real World

Unused navbox with no parent article and not helpful navigation Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:24, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Tianjin Radio

Unused navbox with no parent article and all red links Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:23, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Tirunelveli

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:23, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Tokyo Anime Award for Domestic Feature Film

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:23, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Top Montenegrin male singles tennis players

Unused navbox with no parent article and no links Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:23, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Topic (South America)

Unused navbox with no parent article and all red links Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:23, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Tours VB team

Unused navbox Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:22, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Town of Bassendean suburbs

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:22, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Towns of Gippsland

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:22, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Townsville City

Unused navbox Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:22, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Trademark-EU

Unused navbox with mostly red links Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:22, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Tram and light rail transit in the European Union

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:21, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Trambesòs

Unused navbox with mostly plain text Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:21, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Turan Tovuz PFC squad

Unused navbox with mostly red links Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:20, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

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Template:Turkish Cup winners

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:20, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

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Template:Turtle categories

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:19, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Turów Zgorzelec current roster

Unused navbox with mostly red links Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:19, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Twenty20 Cup 2009

Unused navbox Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:19, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:United Future MPs

Unused navbox with only 1 link Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:19, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:UAFA associations

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:18, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

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Template:UIL District 3-3A High Schools

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:18, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:UK Parliament benches

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:18, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Unicode chart CJK Unified Ideographs Extension B

Unused template with no clear purpose Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:17, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Universitario de Sucre squad

Unused navbox that violates WP:ACCESS Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:15, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

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Template:University of Cape Verde

Unused navbox Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:14, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:United Kingdom Independent Broadcasters

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:14, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Urban public transport in Algeria

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:14, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Uriyangkhai people

Unused navbox Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:13, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Urologic procedures in women

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:13, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Victoria, Crown Princess of Sweden

Unused navbox, superseded by multiple others. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:07, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Spanish general election, 1979

Unused election template. Data already present on article page. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:00, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Spanish general elections

Unused election template Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:00, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Spanish senate election, 2004

Unused election template Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:00, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Summary of Vidhan Sabha elections (Nov 2010 - May 2015)

unused election template that is broken anyway. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:00, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Swiss Federal Council election result

Unused election template with no actual data. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 21:59, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Trinidad and Tobago legislative election, 2007

unused election box. data already present on necessary page. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 21:46, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Transnistrian presidential election, 2001

unused election box. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 21:46, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Tokelau Island council election, 2005

unused election box. data already present on necessary page. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 21:46, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Togo presidential election, 2005

unused election box. Not clear if there even is a parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 21:46, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Tamil Nadu legislative election results by alliance 1996

unused election box. data already present on necessary page. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 21:45, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:1977–78 Pacific Coast Athletic Association men's basketball standings

unused template Zackmann (/What I been doing) 18:48, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: @Zackmann08: we are talking about endash one in TfD.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hhkohh (talk) 21:43, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Zackmann08, because all those other seasons like 1977–78 Fresno State State Bulldogs men's basketball team are as notable at 1977–78 UC Irvine Anteaters men's basketball team and should be created. This template will also be used at 1977–78 NCAA Division I men's basketball season, when that article is created. Rule of thumb: if you're cherry-picking off one or a few members of an established class of templates already in used on many articles, you probably should not be making the deletion nomination. Jweiss11 (talk) 19:16, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
@Jweiss11: I'm not cherry picking anything... The template is unused. --Zackmann (/What I been doing) 19:35, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Unused British Columbia provincial election 2013 templates

All of these templates are unused and the associated data has already been placed in the article (2013 British Columbia general election) in a much clearer format. --Zackmann (/What I been doing) 21:39, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom. --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:00, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep. The point of these templates is not and never has been for the main overview article about the election itself, where the results are indeed much better presented in a table format. The actual purpose, rather, is for the "electoral history" section of each individual district's article (see e.g. Kelowna West) and the "electoral record" section of each MLAs biography (see e.g. Ben Stewart). Those results tables are supposed to be formatted in templatespace just like this, so that those two articles crosslink each other and their results data can't be edited in contradictory ways that diverge from each other, so these are entirely normal. The real problem here isn't that these templates are useless — it's that for some weird reason, this set hasn't actually been applied to the articles, and instead the pages these templates are supposed to be on are currently hardcoding their 2013 results tables in-page instead of actually calling these templates. This can easily be corrected by actually replacing the hardcoded tables with this template, so these should be kept and actually applied — note, as well, that some of their sibling templates in Category:2013 British Columbia general election results by riding are already being used correctly, so literally the only problem here is that the person who created them didn't actually finish the job of applying all of them in the places they were meant to be used. Bearcat (talk) 15:33, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep, per Bearcat's statement. These templates should be hooked into the articles for the politicians whose names are in them, a process that I can help with this weekend. PKT(alk) 17:21, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Update: I'm about halfway through the list (working up from the end)....PKT(alk) 19:16, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
  • If kept based on Bearcat's argument, these should be placed in the holding cell (To review) so what was proposed can be tracked like any other TfD result. --Gonnym (talk) 23:06, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Template:Portal-Info-Intro

Delete. Unused, and no indication how it would be used. UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:15, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Turkish general election, 1950

unused election stats template. Data already present on the article's page. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 21:15, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Turkish general election, 1954

unused election stats template. Data already present on the article's page. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 21:15, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Turkish general election, 1957

unused election stats template. Data already present on the article's page. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 21:15, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Turkish general election, June 2015 nationwide and overseas

unused election stats template. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 21:14, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Turkmenistani presidential election, 2012

unused election stats template. Data already present on the article's page. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 21:14, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Turkmenistani presidential election, 2017

unused election stats template. Data already present on the article's page in a much more complete format. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 21:14, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:US Virgin Islands governor election, 2002

unused election stats template. Data already present on the article's page. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 21:14, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:US Virgin Islands senate election, 2004

unused election stats template with no actual data Zackmann (/What I been doing) 21:13, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:United Kingdom general election, 2005

unused election stats template. Data already present on the article's page. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 21:13, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:United Kingdom local elections, 1909

Unused navbox, no parent article, nearly entirely redlinks and plain text. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 21:13, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:United States House of Representatives elections, 2016 imagemap

unused election stats template. Data already present on the article's page. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 21:12, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:United States gubernatorial elections, 2017 imagemap

unused election stats template Zackmann (/What I been doing) 21:12, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Venezuelan presidential election, 1998

unused election stats template. Data already present on the article's page. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 21:12, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Western Cape provincial election, 2004

unused election stats template. Data already present on the article's page. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 21:12, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Winnipeg municipal by-election, 14 April 2005/Position/Councillor, St. Norbert

unused election stats template Zackmann (/What I been doing) 21:11, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Winnipeg municipal election, 2006/Position/City Councillor, St. Norbert Ward

unused election stats template Zackmann (/What I been doing) 21:11, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Misplaced Pages categorization navbox

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:25, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Without Grace

Unused navbox with no parent article and no actual links. Just plaintext. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:24, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:World Surf League Women's Tour

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:24, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:2014 in ASEAN football (AFF)

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:24, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Bug and issue tracking systems

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:23, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Bufo

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:23, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Briobecca Urayasu squad

Unused navbox with no parent article. Nearly entirely redlinks Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:23, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

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Template:Brazil national under-23 football team matches

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:23, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

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Template:Boys' Youth European Volleyball Championship

Unused navbox with mostly redlinks Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:23, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Bora Bora family tree

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:22, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Birmingham metro area schools

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:22, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Bigs

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:21, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Big 10 Conference (West Virginia Scholastic conference)

Unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:21, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Best Asian Film HKFA

unused navbox. Superseded by {{Hong Kong Film Awards}} Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:21, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Bernice Summerfield audios

unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:20, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

It seems I created this navbox and never got round to adding it to the articles. Will you still want to delete it if I do? Fifty of these pages have no navboxes, despite clearly being closely related (instalments of a single series, with clear boundaries for inclusion). I don't know of any strict rule that navboxes need a parent article, and the Bernice Summerfield one comes pretty close here anyway. If the rule is that strict, dozens of navboxes like Template:Eighth Doctor audios will also have to be deleted, because there isn't an Eighth Doctor audios parent article. —Flax5 15:08, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Template:Bengali desserts

unused navbox with no parent article. Mostly redlinks Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:20, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Belgian Footballer of the Year

unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:20, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 14:08, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Template:Belarusian Second League seasons

unused navbox with no parent article. Entirely redlinks Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:20, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 14:08, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Template:Bears1940DraftPicks

unused navbox with no parent article. Also violates WP:ACCESS Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:19, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Batangas labelled map

unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:19, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Balrampur district, Chhattisgarh

unused navbox Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:19, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:BIG Synergy

unused navbox which is too complex to be useful. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:19, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:BAF Leadership

unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:18, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Aviation accidents and incidents in Ireland

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The result of the discussion was keep. Ww2censor has now added it to numerous articles. No reason to delete it now. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:48, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:18, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

  • Keep: this was discussed previously when it was not in use. The template is now in use in each of the articles listed so there is no reason to delete. There is also really no reason to have a parent article because that would only be a summery of the articles themselves and likely put up for deletion. If you think it so necessary, please be my guest and create it, but remember it's a navigation box. ww2censor (talk) 00:10, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep not unused, see no need for a parent article for this kind of navbox. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 00:27, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Aviation accidents and incidents by years templates

unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:18, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Atlas-Europe

unused navbox with no parent article. Almost entirely redlinks Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:18, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Assembly Constituencies of Nalgonda

unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:17, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:AMU-Leaders

unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:17, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:AMU-Foreign

unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:17, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Gangstar

Unused navbox with no parent article Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:11, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:ESPN Montana

Unused navbox with no parent article Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:08, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

  • Keep: I see 6 links in the infobox. It's being used. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:09 on March 2, 2019 (UTC)
    • Update: Placed on 4 of the 6 pages. The other 2 were no longer sports formatted. One was Active Rock, the other was Sports but had gone off the air last month. Zackmann08, please don't be deletionist and actual help the project. It's easy to tag something for deletion, it's better to actually put the 10 minutes to make the project better. Thank you. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:20 on March 2, 2019 (UTC)

Template:Editor-review

Unused template that has been maintained solely for historical reference for over 5 years. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:07, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Echox

Unused template, not really clear what it would be used for. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:06, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Unused chart subtemplates

With {{chart}} now using Module:TreeChart, these subtemplates are no longer used. NOTE I have specifically nominated the subtemplates that are UNUSED. There are a number of sub-templates that are deprecated but remain in use. The full list of sub-templates is Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Chart/. I am only saying to delete the ones that are 100% unused. The rest can be dealt with later. --Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:03, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Rick Riordan

No links, no transclusions. Appears to exist in split form as Template:Camp Half-Blood, Template:Kane Chronicles, and Template:Magnus Chase and the Gods of Asgard. Editors can use one or all as needed. See Rick Riordan for how they look together. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:38, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Unused database population templates

Unused templates with no clear purpose. Population data shouldn't be taken from massive switch statements in a template. --Zackmann (/What I been doing) 18:30, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Rouse Properties West

unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 18:25, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Rouse Properties East

unused navbox with no parent article. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 18:25, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Rounding

unused and pointless template. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 18:24, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Old Bara District

Unused navbox, replaced with {{Bara District}} Zackmann (/What I been doing) 18:24, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Australian place/cleanup

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was keep. Was not clear that this is a subst-only template (non-admin closure) Zackmann (/What I been doing) 19:17, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Unused sub-template. not sure what its purpose would be? Zackmann (/What I been doing) 18:15, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

  • Keep - This is not an unused sub-template at all. It is meant to be substed, which is why it doesn't appear to be used. It's an easy way for editors to reformat infoboxes in articles and remove invalid fields giving the article a fresh infobox to work with. A lot of Australian articles are using incorrectly formatted infoboxes from years gone by that are missing parameters that have been added since the article was created. In many cases, hacks to get around deficiences in the old infobox are present. As should be obvious by the name, it is a "cleanup" template. A trout to the nom for not bothering to ask a simple question. --AussieLegend (✉) 18:22, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
    • @AussieLegend: the template had ZERO documentation, didn't use {{subst only}} and doesn't have a single mention of safesubst in the code, so how was anyone to know it was a subst-only template? The name "cleanup" doesn't make anything obvious. I actually thought that it was someones attempt to cleanup the templates code, I.E. a sandbox of sorts. That is the entire reason we have {{Doc}}. If you had bothered to use it, then I would have known what the template was for. Furthermore, just merge it with the base template. You don't need a separate version of the template for substitution purposes. Just because you don't like that I TfDed your template, doesn't mean I deserve a WP:TROUT. --Zackmann (/What I been doing) 18:43, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
      • You could simply have looked at the edit history and asked me for information, or maybe point out that the template was missing documentation. This could easily have been resolved with a question on my talk page. It's not a matter of me not liking that you TfDed the template, it's that you took one glance and decided that because you had no idea, then the template should go. Try taking a little initiative next time. None of us are perfect. Things slip by. These were all things I was going to do earlier this year but unfortunately the local hospital decided to kill my wife so I've been tied up with other crap. --AussieLegend (✉) 18:53, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
        • @AussieLegend: there are thousands of unused templates, I'm not going to review the edit history of every template dude. No need to make this some major drama. All I did was nominate the template. That is the purpose of TFD is to flush this stuff out. Clearly the template is still being used. Had no way of knowing that. --Zackmann (/What I been doing) 19:16, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox biosphere reserve

Unused template with no documentation indicating what it would be used for. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 18:14, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

For information: Previous discussion at Misplaced Pages:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 September 30 #Template:Infobox biosphere reserve. I created it following a request from John Cummings. I think it's reasonably clear that it was intended to be used in articles for some of the 650 Biosphere Reserves. --RexxS (talk) 18:45, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Infobox drug/simplified

Unused template. No reason for a "simplified" version of {{Infobox drug}}. Zackmann (/What I been doing) 18:13, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Team Dixie

A not very notable short lived stable. Navbox is not necessary. I do not see how it would help in navigation. StaticVapor message me! 06:56, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Zackmann (/What I been doing) 17:10, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Basic portal start page

Delete This is the template that allows automated creation of Portals without prior discusson. There is no community consensus that any such undiscussed portals should be created, so this template is contrary to consensus as well. UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:36, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-automated creation, as it involves user interaction. The save button must be clicked on by the user, which is referred to as semi-automated. Automated page creation is when software saves the page rather than a human, is covered by the bot policy and is under the sole jurisdiction of the bot approval group (BAG). Automated page creation of any page type would absolutely require prior discussion over at Misplaced Pages:Bots/Requests for approval.    — The Transhumanist   07:45, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep. This tool can be used to create missing portals which should exist. It can also be used to create unwanted pages, but that issue is already being addressed in other forums. Cheque fraud is a problem, but the correct solution is not a ban on ballpoint pens. Certes (talk) 13:47, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately for you, that doesn't change the fact that there is no consensus that this particular tool should exist. Can you point to a single case where this template was used to create a portal based on prior consensus? Possession of burglary tools and plutonium is illegal in most jurisdictions. UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:52, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Like articles and most other Misplaced Pages content, editors create portals and templates as they see fit without engaging in a detailed discussion of each page's merits. Of course, they should follow any relevant policies and guidelines, but I don't see how creating this template breached any of those. Anyone who disagrees can then raise an XfD such as this one. This template has been used to create missing portals such as Portal:Money, one of the High-importance Portal pages and based on a level-3 vital article. Certes (talk) 14:14, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep. There's no consensus that portals have to be discussed before they can be created. Even if such consensus existed, there's no reason why this template shouldn't be used after such a discussion. Therefore there is no reason to delete this widely used template. WaggersTALK 14:03, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep. User conduct matters should be dealt with at a more appropriate forum – particularly when deleting a template would be trivially easy to overcome (just store the code in a text file on one's computer), and when the template also has other uses: converting old-style un-maintained portals to use automatic transclusion of content instead of outdated content (e.g. see search results for insource:"basic portal start page" in Portal namespace, which includes results like Portal:Biography, Portal:Association football, Portal:Geography, Portal:Australia). Note also that portal skeleton templates have existed since 2005 – indicating that the concept of starting a portal from a subst:ed template is not controversial, just the user conduct. - Evad37  14:34, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
That's not the previous version, since it shows redlinks where the subpages have been deleted. UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:08, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Portal:Biography currently looks a lot less useful that this old version. Instead of a (too long) list of all featured biographies, it had resources inviting editing and collaboration, and a nice On This Day section. —Kusma (t·c) 16:59, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
That version resulted from {{Box portal skeleton}}. It had some advantages over the results of {{Basic portal start page}} but needed to be maintained manually. Rather then deleting it, perhaps {{Basic portal start page}} can be made to behave more like {{Box portal skeleton}} whilst retaining the advantages of automatic updates. Certes (talk) 17:13, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Automatic updates have some advantages and some disadvantages. Some mixed system is probably best (I think the DYK magic is wonderful to suggest potential candidates for portal DYKs, but is not smart enough to be used to display DYKs on the main portal page without potential embarrassment, compare the DYK section of Portal:Spiders). —Kusma (t·c) 20:23, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks: fixed. It now shows DYKs about the spider rather than the Spiders. Certes (talk) 20:45, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep – Dear UnitedStatesian, your statements about community consensus are false, and I respectfully request that you withdraw your nomination. There is well-established community consensus to create portals, otherwise, there wouldn't be a type of page called a "portal", there wouldn't be a portal namespace, or portal guidelines. Why would we have a namespace for portals if portal construction were not allowed by the community? We have a portal namespace for the same reason we have an Article namespace: to facilitate the creation of pages of those types. The same as with articles and other page types on Misplaced Pages (except bot accounts), there is no community consensus that portals must be discussed before their creation. Such a system was tried for portals for awhile, but was rejected by the community. So, not only is there community consensus to create portals without discussion, there is also community consensus against requiring discussion before portal creation. Generally speaking, you can create any type of page on Misplaced Pages without prior discussion, including articles, categories, templates, modules, etc. Why would portals be an exception? If the community had made an exception for them. But, it hasn't. Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   17:55, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete there is wide community concensus against this semi automated process. The proponent says he can create portals (with all this content) in just 3 minutes which suggests not much thought goes into what goes on the page. This process should not exist until and unless it gets a wide spread agreement this automated content creation is the way to go. Legacypac (talk) 19:44, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep, the problem is not this structure template, but using it without adapting properly to each topic. Creating a good portal can start from a template like this, but should proceed from there to something adapted to the content and should get regular manual maintenance. Manual maintenance is not a problem, but a necessity to create interesting portals full of relevant content. —Kusma (t·c) 20:23, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep For some reason, there seems to be a belief that the (perceived) problematic rate of portal creation can be properly solved by removing the tools used to create them. That is not a solution, no more than banning kitchen knives would reduce stabbings. Don't blame the tools guys. If there are technical issues with the template, feel free to report them on WT:WPPORT where our editors can (usually very quickly) address them. — AfroThundr 02:15, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment - As the proposer of a topic-ban on the creation of portals by TTH, I am deferring an opinion on deleting the tool. My inclination is to agree with User:Certes and User:AfroThundr that the tool is not to blame, but I am deferring an opinion. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:25, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
    Deleting the template would not be an effective proxy for a topic ban. Anyone wishing to create portals could easily copy and paste an existing portal, changing the topic name. Certes (talk) 12:24, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep, the template works fine and can create a portal easily (provided the content to fill the portal exists). --Auric talk 12:44, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Template:Lang-arwi

No incoming links, no transclusions, no documentation. Not a valid language code. The written script in question is not a language, according to Arwi. – Jonesey95 (talk) 07:59, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Latest preview software release/Windows Internet Explorer 7

No incoming links, no transclusions, no documentation, no content. – Jonesey95 (talk) 07:54, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Latest preview software release/Media Center

No incoming links, no transclusions, no documentation, no content. Superseded by Template:Latest stable software release/JRiver Media Center. – Jonesey95 (talk) 07:52, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:No personal headings

Superseded by Template:Uw-npa 14:33, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ 00:08, 20 February 2019 (UTC) Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hhkohh (talk) 00:47, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Infobox settlement wrappers

Numbered list, to see the quantity of templates proposed for substitution:

  1. Template:Infobox Austrian district (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 88 transclusions
  2. Template:Infobox Bangladesh district (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 60 transclusions
  3. Template:Infobox Cape Verde settlement (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 240 transclusions (used on different types: municipalities, parishes, and others)
  4. Template:Infobox Colombian province (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 47 transclusions // Created 2017 - 1 editor, 2 others fixing broken things
  5. Template:Infobox District Slovakia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 78 transclusions
  6. Template:Infobox England region (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 8 transclusions on region pages, 9 on list pages
  7. Template:Infobox Finnish municipality (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 316 transclusions
  8. Template:Infobox French communauté (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 49 transclusions (is that one type at all? used on items with different type name: Communauté d'agglomération/Agglomeration community, Métropole, Communauté urbaine/Urban community)
  9. Template:Infobox French region (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 32 transclusions
  10. Template:Infobox German Regierungsbezirk (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 34 transclusions
  11. Template:Infobox Helsinki subdivision (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 90 transclusions
  12. Template:Infobox Latvian municipalities (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 112 transclusions
  13. Template:Infobox London Borough (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 32 transclusions
  14. Template:Infobox Neighborhood Portland OR (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 93 transclusions
  15. Template:Infobox Nepal district (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 78 transclusions
  16. Template:Infobox Prefecture Japan (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 55 transclusions
  17. Template:Infobox Province Peru (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 189 transclusions
  18. Template:Infobox Province Spain (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 38 transclusions
  19. Template:Infobox Province TR (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 81 transclusions
  20. Template:Infobox Russian federal subject (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 89 transclusions
  21. Template:Infobox Singapore neighbourhood (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 118 transclusions
  22. Template:Infobox South African municipality (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 292 transclusions
  23. Template:Infobox St. Louis neighborhood (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 79 transclusions
  24. Template:Infobox townlands (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 87 transclusions (used on different types: townlands and parishes)
  25. Template:Infobox Venezuelan municipality (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 216 transclusions
  26. Template:Infobox UAE community (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 74 transclusions

Unnecessary wrappers for {{Infobox settlement}}, with limited transclusions, on pretty stable sets of articles. Subst:itution will reduce the maintenance overhead, reduce the cognitive burden for editors, and enable articles to benefit more immediately from improvements to the current parent template. Direct transclusion of Infobox settlement is common practice.

Background
Graphs are unavailable due to technical issues. Updates on reimplementing the Graph extension, which will be known as the Chart extension, can be found on Phabricator and on MediaWiki.org.
495 765 transclusions of Infobox settlement in article space.
The 26 wrappers in this deletion proposal account for 0.54% of these transclusions.
  1. Recent batches of similar wrappers, which were all deleted: 2018 November 23, 2019 February 6, 2019 February 16.
  2. Despite being named "Infobox settlement" the template is not only used for settlements. Per its documentation, Infobox settlement is "used to produce an Infobox for human settlements (cities, towns, villages, communities) as well as other administrative districts, counties, provinces, et cetera—in fact, any subdivision below the level of a country". That is practice for over a decade, it is used on ~ 500000 articles.
  3. The transclusions of the above templates sum up to 2675 transclusions of Infobox settlement. That is 0.54 % of the total of ~ 500 000 transclusions. Each has less than 320 transclusions, hence each has less than 0.064 % of the total transclusions.
  4. As of now there are 55 active templates in Category:Templates calling Infobox settlement. The above proposal would therefore reduce the quantity of these templates to 29, and 50.9 % of the current quantity.

89.12.133.115 (talk) 04:48, 28 February 2019 (UTC) // withdraw LU per 2010-09-19 decision 89.12.43.84 (talk) 22:58, 2 March 2019 (UTC) // add chart 89.14.48.38 (talk) 03:20, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Comments
  • Support although I find the name of the template very confusing, it's clear this is the parent template for settlements AND regions, and I strongly support a merge, as it benefits readers and editors. It's easier for editors to have a single template, and makes future maintenance and updates easier. Removing wrappers also has a secondary benefit, because it means that some attempt can be made and standardising and simplifying template code. This makes the template easier to maintain. --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:55, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Support replacement and delete - The process of consolidating all these wrappers helps standardize and simplify the whole process - including maintenance, documentation (which 11 of the nominated templates here have none). If the template name is an issue, it should be solved so this repeated issue can stop distracting from the actual process. --Gonnym (talk) 09:52, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Support, with a reminder to the nom to not substitute templates without making sure they subst cleanly. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 12:44, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Templates tagged. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 13:22, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete all, after replacement, per nom. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:39, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose, I created the Colombian province infobox with a unique entry for indigenous groups, which not only applies to these provinces, but can be used in many other cases too. There is no maintenance issue as long as it is maintained, but that needs to be assessed on a case-by-case basis. It is not hurting anyone if these infoboxes exist. Tisquesusa (talk) 15:56, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose say that I (or any other editor) want to automatically transclude population figures for Peruvian provinces from Wikidata. Right now, I would just edit the wrapper and add {{wikidata|property|P1082}} once. If the wrapper is deleted, achieving the same result would require editing 189 articles. That doesn't seem like an improvement.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 13:56, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
    • Not true, User:Underlying lk, one can do that in infobox settlement too. And probably it is easier to do it right in a centralized place than in 1000s of templates, if your solution means to create one template per type of entity. 77.183.43.199 (talk) 21:47, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
    • Underlying lk, seeing as how that feature doesn't exist in that template, I'd say that argument doesn't really have much weight as you'd have to get consensus for any change like that, and no one can say if that change will get the consensus or not. However, if the feature should be good to implement for {{Infobox Province Peru}}, it can also be implemented for all other articles. --Gonnym (talk) 12:18, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose - dedicated wrappers are very useful to me as heavy user: for instance the Cape Verde template uses the official geographic code to look up the administrative divisions the settlement is in (with consistent links, which would be lost for new articles after substitution) and the population. When a new population census has been held, these can be updated in one edit instead of 240 edits. And I use the infobox templates for maintenance, vandalism for instance. I really don't see the maintenance burden these wrapper templates present, in the history of the Cape Verde template I see some minor edits like the new way to handle coordinates. Note that the way these infoboxes show up in the articles will not change at all, so there no advantage there. If people want to add extra information fields and don't know how to do that, they can ask on the template talk page. Markussep 09:34, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
    • Was solved + you informed - use Wikidata To store data in templates populating Infobox settlement is not the way to go. It is a fringe solution. You can easily monitor vandalism in WD. On, top, it will not be only you - what happens if you are gone? - but other users too. Cape Verde data is probably interesting to other Wikipedias too? 78.55.183.179 (talk) 01:21, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
      • Wikidata is not a solution: that would mean I have to make 240 edits there to update populations after a new census. You may call it a fringe solution (there is no official ban on data templates, is there?), but it works well and requires little maintenance. And what happens whem I’m gone? Well, that’s what the documentation is for. If for instance Portuguese[REDACTED] is interested (they’re only one that has a similar number of articles on Cape Verde), they can copy the data template. Markussep 07:27, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Support - individual wrappers are a barrier for users that are not familiar with them. And every time a feature is missing the wrapper has to be edited. TerraCyprus (talk) 21:13, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Template {{Infobox Russian District}} was recently converted to wrapper after it was taken to TfD by people who prefer principles over actual usability, and against my objections. Now it does not work and shows false information (see Vokhomsky District for example). If {{Template:Infobox Russian federal subject}} gets converted to wrapper, against my objections - and I am currently the only user who works with these templates - it is not going to work and will show false information as well.--Ymblanter (talk) 21:29, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
    • You offer nothing to substantiate your claim other than "see Vokhomsky District"; and have made no comment about the supposed issue with that article on its talk page, nor on the template's talk page. Even so, the supposed issue with a past wrapper creation does not mean that the alleged issue will affect the replacement of wrappers proposed above - the vast majority, furthermore, having nothing whatsoever to do with the mere 89 transclusions of Infobox Russian federal subject. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:29, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
      I provided enough information. This is a systemic problem for all settlement/division template converted to wrappers, not just for Russia. I am not really suprised you are not willing to see the problem, since you were one of the users lobbying the conversion in the first instance.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:31, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Simpsons episode

Propose merging Template:Infobox Simpsons episode with Template:Infobox television episode.
Infobox Simpsons episode is one of only two episode infoboxes that have a separate show-specific infobox. In being a separate infobox, the template has not been kept up-to-date with the changes of the main episode infobox:

  1. Missing the |teleplay= and |story= parameters, which episodes such as "Black Widower" and "'Round Springfield" should use.
  2. Missing the |multi_episodes= parameter, which episodes such as "The Great Phatsby" should use.
  3. Missing |photographer=, |editor= and |runtime=.
  4. Missing short description.
  5. Non-standard episode numbering - while ~10k articles use a numbering style which is based on the episode number of a current season (as in season 30, episode 2), this uses the total number of episode in the show (as in 641). This gives much less context to the reader and there is no reason to deviate from the norm here.
  6. Inadequate documentation (including no TemplateData).
  7. No real maintainers, as can be seen from Category:Pages using infobox Simpsons episode with unknown parameters, compared to {{Infobox episode}}'s category.

Additionally, this infobox has some unique features not present in {{Infobox episode}}:

  1. A complete season episode list - which per this discussion has been removed from all episode infoboxes and should be removed from this one.
  2. A complete season list which should be removed as well, as it duplicates the season list that already appears in the navbox template at the bottom of every episode article.
  3. Using |show runner= parameter instead of a |producer= parameter, which per a recent discussion consensus seem to be against having a show runner parameter in the infobox.
  4. 3 unique parameters - |blackboard=, |couch gag= and |commentary=. The 3 unique parameters can either be added to the standard episode infobox, be used in a sub-infobox template or be removed. It's worth noting that a lot of other TV series have unique episode-specific features, which aren't represented in the infobox: Lost could have "Flashback/Flash-Forward/Flash-Sideways", "Featured character" and "Day" parameters; Star Trek: The Original Series can have a "Star date" parameter. The Simpsons is not a unique show in this aspect. Worth noting that the "Featured character" for Lost and the "Star date" for Star Trek: The Original Series are already represented in their episode list tables (yet are absent from the infobox). Gonnym (talk) 11:51, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Rewrite the base template to allow custom parameters and make the Simpsons template transclude the television template with those custom parameters accounted for. We also have to take Who Shot Mr. Burns? into account as a multi-part episode that is stretched between two seasons. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 15:47, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Convert to wrapper given the large number of transclusions (665) I think it is valid to have a separate template for consistency. Each of these has a {{{couch_gag}}} for example. While this can use the custom params, having a separate template keeps them consistent. That being said, I do think it should be converted to be a wrapper for {{Infobox television episode}}. --Zackmann (/What I been doing) 19:14, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
    • I personally don't see any valid reason why this show should have unique fields, while other shows don't. Nothing inherent special about those fields. --Gonnym (talk) 22:30, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Germanic diachronic

One transclusion. Substitute and delete. Steel1943 (talk) 04:26, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

  • Keep better as a template, too complex in my mind to be placed just in an article - easier to edit if separate.--Tom (LT) (talk) 10:01, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep per my comment above about Florida; this is huge enough to make the rest of the page harder to edit, and if you add or remove a character by mistake and don't notice it instantly, you won't know the difference because the code isn't simple. Nyttend (talk) 01:06, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete the argument that "it is easier to edit if separate" is not a valid reason for creating or keeping a template. The purpose of a template is to be able to reuse code. If this is only used on one page, no need for a template. --Zackmann (/What I been doing) 22:09, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
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  • Delete Not what template namespace is for. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 00:31, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Keep, no harm in keeping this bit separate. If "make article easier to edit" isn't a valid reason to have a template, it should be. —Kusma (t·c) 09:18, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
    • @Kusma: then you are welcome to open an RFC to have that added, but it definitely is not a valid reason. you can edit subsections of a page. The Template namespace is for reusable code, not to isolate sections of a page to make editing easier. --Zackmann (/What I been doing) 20:50, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
      • As I keep telling you, various other uses of the template namespace exist (and have existed peacefully for the last ten years), and you have so far not shown a problem with these uses. "Zackmann sees no need for this template" is WP:IDONTLIKEIT, not a reason for deletion. —Kusma (t·c) 20:56, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
        • @Kusma: say what you want, but you as admin should know better and WP:AGF. This is not a matter of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. I didn't nominate the template and at least 3 other editors agree with me that this is not what the Template namespace is for. Not just me and this is clearly not a case of Zackmann sees no need for this template but if you want to resort to personal attacks instead of focusing on the merits of the template, then go right ahead, I won't take part is such a discussion though. --Zackmann (/What I been doing) 21:03, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
          • @Zackmann08: You are right that I should not lose my temper, and I apologise. I just do not understand why you want to delete so many templates (most things that do no harm could just be left alone) and you don't seem to be listening to my arguments. Back to the template in question: There can be practical reasons why editors at a specific article wish to move particular bits of the source elsewhere. Template space is the best space for that, as with various diagrams. As Misplaced Pages:Template namespace says: Templates should not normally be used to store article text, as this makes it more difficult to edit the content.

(emphasis mine). It is not prohibited, and if using templates makes editing actually easier in specific cases, I don't see how we can use this bit of the guideline. Most of the template namespace is filled with typical templates used for standardising things across articles, but not all of the template namespace is like that. If single-use templates or standalone templates were to be prohibited in the template namespace, they would need to be moved elsewhere, not deleted. But there is no "correct" space for these things, so template space is the best choice at the moment. —Kusma (t·c) 21:18, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Module:Autonumber

Appears to be redundant to Template:Row numbers (I wouldn't oppose a merge, but don't see one as necessary). {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 18:06, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

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Template:Bs a team

Unused template with no links Zackmann (/What I been doing) 00:29, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Brockton Rox roster

Unused template with no links Zackmann (/What I been doing) 00:28, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:British suffragists and suffragettes

unused templates with no incoming links Zackmann (/What I been doing) 00:28, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:British courtesy barons

unused navbox, with mostly redlinks and no parent article Zackmann (/What I been doing) 00:27, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

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