Talk:Fasting: Difference between revisions

Browse history interactively ← Previous edit Next edit →Content deleted Content addedVisual WikitextInline

Revision as of 01:54, 3 November 2018 editZefr (talk \| contribs)Extended confirmed users, Pending changes reviewers69,445 edits →Fasting Cuisine in Hinduism: cmt← Previous edit		Revision as of 17:24, 14 March 2019 edit undoZefr (talk \| contribs)Extended confirmed users, Pending changes reviewers69,445 edits →Uses in cancer treatment or prevention: new sectionNext edit →
Line 65:		Line 65:
	::: ],A book is a secondary source.The source you removed was written by one of India's best cookery writer.I don't think you can find a better source than her.Let me know what is your definition of ].Thanks] (]) 22:43, 2 November 2018 (UTC)		::: ],A book is a secondary source.The source you removed was written by one of India's best cookery writer.I don't think you can find a better source than her.Let me know what is your definition of ].Thanks] (]) 22:43, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
	::::The specific book source provided, and all its pages before and after page 8, provide "how to do" recipes. It's not a good secondary source. Further, the text the source supposedly supports reads like advice: "a whole fasting cuisine with dozens of recipes is available for those practicing the ritual." From ]: "an article should not read like a "how-to" style owner's manual, cookbook,". --] (]) 01:54, 3 November 2018 (UTC)		::::The specific book source provided, and all its pages before and after page 8, provide "how to do" recipes. It's not a good secondary source. Further, the text the source supposedly supports reads like advice: "a whole fasting cuisine with dozens of recipes is available for those practicing the ritual." From ]: "an article should not read like a "how-to" style owner's manual, cookbook,". --] (]) 01:54, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

			== Uses in cancer treatment or prevention ==

			relies on animal studies and conjecture about unconfirmed effects and mechanisms of fasting on cancer. PMID 25502434 is a review of animal studies and is not representative of human cancer; see ]. PMID 29587670 is a short ] of animal research on fasting and cancer, providing no relevant or comprehensive information on human cancer; it fails ]. PMID 24280167 and PMID 28539118 are theoretical discussions of cancer mechanisms, and so are conjecture from primary research far from meeting MEDRS. The encyclopedia requires the best-established facts from scientific consensus among experts for such statements, as discussed in ]. These sources don't meet this standard. Please discuss and don't ]. --] (]) 17:24, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Revision as of 17:24, 14 March 2019

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Fasting article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Misplaced Pages? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1, 2, 3Auto-archiving period: 31 days

Template:Vital article

This article has not yet been rated on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Christianity: Eastern O. / Latter Day Saints Low‑importance

	Christianity portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Christianity, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Christianity on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ChristianityWikipedia:WikiProject ChristianityTemplate:WikiProject ChristianityChristianity
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy (assessed as Top-importance).
	Latter Day Saints portal This article is supported by WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement (assessed as Low-importance).

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Religion Top‑importance

	Religion portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Religion, a project to improve Misplaced Pages's articles on Religion-related subjects. Please participate by editing the article, and help us assess and improve articles to good and 1.0 standards, or visit the wikiproject page for more details.ReligionWikipedia:WikiProject ReligionTemplate:WikiProject ReligionReligion
Top	This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Judaism

	Judaism portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Judaism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Judaism-related articles on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.JudaismWikipedia:WikiProject JudaismTemplate:WikiProject JudaismJudaism
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Buddhism

	This article falls within the scope of WikiProject Buddhism, an attempt to promote better coordination, content distribution, and cross-referencing between pages dealing with Buddhism. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page for more details on the projects.BuddhismWikipedia:WikiProject BuddhismTemplate:WikiProject BuddhismBuddhism
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Alternative medicine

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Alternative medicine, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Alternative medicine related articles on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Alternative medicineWikipedia:WikiProject Alternative medicineTemplate:WikiProject Alternative medicineAlternative medicine

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Health and fitness

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Health and fitness, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of health and physical fitness related articles on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Health and fitnessWikipedia:WikiProject Health and fitnessTemplate:WikiProject Health and fitnessHealth and fitness
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Science

	Science portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Science, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Science on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ScienceWikipedia:WikiProject ScienceTemplate:WikiProject Sciencescience
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Politics

	Politics portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of politics on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PoliticsWikipedia:WikiProject PoliticsTemplate:WikiProject Politicspolitics
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Islam

	Islam portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Islam, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Islam-related articles on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IslamWikipedia:WikiProject IslamTemplate:WikiProject IslamIslam-related
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Food and drink

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Food and drink, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of food and drink related articles on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Food and drinkWikipedia:WikiProject Food and drinkTemplate:WikiProject Food and drinkFood and drink

???

This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Food and Drink task list:

To edit this page, select here

Here are some tasks you can do for WikiProject Food and drink:

Help bring these Top Importance articles currently B Status or below up to GA status: Agaricus bisporus (i.e. mushroom), Beef, Bread, Curry, Drink, Food, Ham and eggs, Soy sauce, Sushi, Yogurt
Bring these Top Importance articles currently at GA status up to FA status: Beer, French cuisine, Sugar
Bring these High Importance articles currently at GA status up to FA status: Apple, Burger King, Fish
Participate in project-related deletion discussions.
Delete unrelated trivia sections found in articles. Please review WP:Trivia and WP:Handling trivia to learn how to do this.
Add the {{WikiProject Food and drink}} project banner to food and drink related articles and content to help bring them to the attention of members. For a complete list of banners for WikiProject Food and drink and its child projects, select here.
Provide photographs and images for Category:Misplaced Pages requested images of food
Consider joining this project's Assessment task force. List any project ideas in this section

Note: These lists are transcluded from the project's tasks pages.

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Fasting article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Misplaced Pages? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1, 2, 3Auto-archiving period: 31 days

Archives

1, 2, 3

This page has archives. Sections older than 31 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III.

Medical effects / Immune System - Why not a medical citation made ?

The piece of text quotes a Telegraph article. This can't be any more acceptable than quoting opinion. Why isn't the research or a paper quoted here? https://en.wikipedia.org/Fasting#Immune_system

There is very little medical reporting positive or negative here. The majority is religious information

It is promarily a bodily, physical thing, there surely ought go be medical reports, uses, pros and cons, based on real understanding. I find it a little concerning that the religious aspects are so favoured when they are one things we know we can not prove. Whereas medicine has everything we know really works and is not mentioned very much relatively or generally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/Fasting#Immune_system

Eating breakfast was associated with significantly lower CHD risk in a cohort of male health professionals.

A medical citation for the above breakfast-eating article is

Cahill et al.

Prospective Study of Breakfast Eating and Incident Coronary Heart Disease in a Cohort of Male US Health Professionals

Circulation. 2013; 128: 337-343

doi: 10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.113.001474

Full free text

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/128/4/337.full

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/128/4/337.short?rss=1

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ocdnctx (talk • contribs) 17:12, 1 March 2014

Fasting and osteoporosis

I am surprised this article says that fasting can help to prevent osteoporosis - it may make people very thin, which can increase the risk of osteoporosis. Vorbee (talk) 15:18, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

A chart review on fasting adverse effects

Here is a very recent (2018) article using the method of chart reviewing for a period of 2006 to 2011 from a residential medical facility, for a total of 2539 charts. They found a very very low rate of serious adverse effects for water fasting (so not intermittent). This is not really a review but the method used is quite strong, might be interesting to add to the article? --Signimu (talk) 14:22, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Fasting Cuisine in Hinduism

User talk:Zefr, The source I cited provides information on foods allowed to Hindus during fasting.If citing the whole book is not acceptable, then page six of the book gives information on Hindu way of fasting.Is adding that acceptable to you? At the moment there are no sources for information preceding what you deleted.I look forward to your comments.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 15:21, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

WP:NOTADVICE says that Misplaced Pages is not a "how to" source, and WP:NOTRECIPE indicates that the encyclopedia is not intended to provide recipes for foods. If you can find a WP:SECONDARY source (book, news article) covering these foods, then that would be acceptable. --Zefr (talk) 15:25, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

User talk:Zefr, you say and I quote "WP:NOTADVICE says that Misplaced Pages is not a "how to" source, and WP:NOTRECIPE indicates that the encyclopedia is not intended to provide recipes for foods."Totally agree with that.In the article, I am not providing any recipes. All I am doing is providing a source where these could be found.Do you think you are interpreting the guidelines correctly?Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 16:45, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

A secondary source would take your view out of the issue, which is the point of WP:RS. --Zefr (talk) 20:58, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

User talk:Zefr,A book is a secondary source.The source you removed was written by one of India's best cookery writer.I don't think you can find a better source than her.Let me know what is your definition of WP:RS.ThanksJonathansammy (talk) 22:43, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

The specific book source provided, and all its pages before and after page 8, provide "how to do" recipes. It's not a good secondary source. Further, the text the source supposedly supports reads like advice: "a whole fasting cuisine with dozens of recipes is available for those practicing the ritual." From WP:NOTADVICE: "an article should not read like a "how-to" style owner's manual, cookbook,". --Zefr (talk) 01:54, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Uses in cancer treatment or prevention

This edit relies on animal studies and conjecture about unconfirmed effects and mechanisms of fasting on cancer. PMID 25502434 is a review of animal studies and is not representative of human cancer; see WP:MEDANIMAL. PMID 29587670 is a short op-ed of animal research on fasting and cancer, providing no relevant or comprehensive information on human cancer; it fails WP:MEDRS. PMID 24280167 and PMID 28539118 are theoretical discussions of cancer mechanisms, and so are conjecture from primary research far from meeting MEDRS. The encyclopedia requires the best-established facts from scientific consensus among experts for such statements, as discussed in WP:MEDSCI. These sources don't meet this standard. Please discuss and don't WP:WAR. --Zefr (talk) 17:24, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Categories: