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Possible edit war at Triune Kingdom of Croatia
Hello Ban kavalir. Your edits have been mentioned by User:KIENGIR at User talk:EdJohnston#Talk:Triune Kingdom of Croatia. This looks to be a complaint about a possible edit war at Triune Kingdom of Croatia. The way things are going on that article does suggest an edit war in progress. This means that admins may have to take some action unless the local participants can work something out. You can respond on my talk page if you wish. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 00:34, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
- Hello Ban kavalir. You have been using the word 'sabotage' a lot at Talk:Triune Kingdom of Croatia to refer to edits by User:KIENGIR. Admins are likely to consider this a personal attack. Unless you moderate your tone soon, you are risking a block. The steps of WP:Dispute resolution are available to all good-faith editors who are willing to keep their temper in check. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 17:25, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Answer
Dear EdJohnston the user User:KIENGIR has on purpose sabotaged the article so it could be reverted to a more bias or personal stance of his, contrary to scientific objectivity and historiography. I have explained in the TALK page the ways the user has committed this, by using false arguments and fabricating sources (links and maps which are not associated with the given subject or era, as an example). As the user has not contributed in any way to the article and has committed sabotage in changing the text and leaving old sources which didn't correlate with the new bias text. My contribution to that subject via creating the article, content, sources and media have been in 99% of that article and the majority on the content on the subject of Croatia during the 19th century. If you wish to lose an editor which main scientific and research subject is that era, by promoting unacademic and unprofessional behavior mentioned before by the mentioned user, then be free to do so.
SY dr.sc. Ban kavalir (talk) 17:53, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
- Keeping in mind WP:ASPERSIONS, please withdraw all the personal attacks against KIENGIR in the above, or I will proceed with a block of your account. You may have valuable knowledge in this area, but if you can't negotiate properly, your experience here will be disappointing. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 18:20, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
2nd Answer
Dear EdJohnston no personal attacks have been made, user User:KIENGIR was not contacted or was confronted even on his personal page (like the user did on mine). All the stated is in accordance with the provided material and references to unacademic and unprofessional behavior by the user which resulted in sabotaging the article to make it more bias (see TALK page). Also in the same talk page the user uses words like the user just repeats some failed rant (and people here dont rant) which are unlike the ones mentioned before, insults of personal nature. If you wish to continue down the path of supporting such unacademic types of editing articles, be free to block me. I have been an editor here for 5 years and unlike my academic peers and colleagues who take this project as a place not for academics since such sabotages like the one done by User:KIENGIR are promoted and supported by the administration.
If this proceeds I will no longer continue to edit on Misplaced Pages, as well as revoke my position and all participation and support in the Croatian Academic Misplaced Pages projects (were academics and students attribute by editing articles in accordance with academic and scientific standards) like did my colleagues and students from the Misplaced Pages projekt studenata odsjeka Povijesti umjetnosti Filozofskog fakulteta (Misplaced Pages project of students of the department of Art history of the Philosophical faculty) due to the same reason of supports of sabotage of articles, unacademic and unprofessional behavior. You will lose a person which contributed to 19th century Croatia in one week more then the whole project did in years and support a person who deleted texts and sources to make a bias article in which he did not contribute not even by one quote.
SY dr.sc. Ban kavalir (talk) 23:12, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Discussion elsewhere
Though you haven't chosen to respond on my talk page, I've made a couple of article suggestions at User talk:EdJohnston#Talk:Triune Kingdom of Croatia. In particular, I noticed the lack of English language sources in the article. It's not my job to decide on article content, but I welcome negotiation among the editors concerned. EdJohnston (talk) 15:18, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
March 2019
Hello, and welcome to Misplaced Pages. You appear to be repeatedly reverting or undoing other editors' contributions at Central Europe. Although this may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Misplaced Pages this is known as "edit warring" and is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, as it often creates animosity between editors. Instead of reverting, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.
If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Edit warring on Misplaced Pages is not acceptable in any amount, and violating the three-revert rule is very likely to lead to a block. Thank you. Dr. K. 23:31, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Central Europe; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
Points to note:
- Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
- Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. IamNotU (talk) 05:14, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
Discretionary sanctions notice about the Balkans
This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.
You have recently shown interest in the Balkans. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect: any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Misplaced Pages's policies, or any page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.
For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.