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Hispanic as a physical description

I think it would be good for this article to include some information about the controversial use of hispanic as a physical description for police and news. Since it is an ethnic (cultural) description and contains no information about the physical (racial) appearance of someone.

Actually, a small minority of Filipinos are of Spanish or part Spanish descent, and would probably identify as "Hispanic". Interestingly, not all Spanish descended people would identify as such, especially the Basque Nationalists.

Saying that people from Spain are not Hispanics is a non-sense. "Hispanic" is a word that means "coming or related to Spain and Spanish culture". Every language uses that word that way. ex: in French "les cultures hispaniques" means "the Spanish or Spanish related cultures.", not related to Mexican or Guatemaltec cultures which are mostly native indian !!

It would be like excluding english people from "anglo-saxon" culture and considering Jamaican or Australian aboriginal culture as the anglo-saxon culture!!

It is the same for "latin" or "latino", these words mean "related and descent to roman culture", not "from South and Central America". Of course Central and South America are included in the "latin" group because they have a Spanish, Portuguese and French heritage; but they don't represent all latins or latinos by themselves !!!!!!...

American people usually forget that the "original" latins or latinos are Italians, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Catalans, Romanians, and some Belgians and Swiss people...

It has nothing to do with any race or any "physical" description of people.

I live in a neighborhood that was once all upper middle-class whites, but now it's predominantly working-class Hispanic. As a long-time resident of my city, I'm seeing the neighborhood detioriating quickly. It's scary.

It seems to me that better terms for minority status would be Meso-American and South American not Hispanic or Latino. I agree with the article about Spanish people being classified as European Americans (or Europeans) not as a protected underclass. How is a Spanish person any more deserving of protection than say an Italian or Swede?

spanish protection

I'm half Spanish and live in Texas. My last name is Fernandez. I have green eyes. My skin is probably lighter than 90 percent of most white peoples'. I'm listed as white on all govt. documents. I'm all for trying to teach people the difference between Spanish and South American. Pop culture defines latino as dark skinned, but that's not because of the spanish part, it's the native american part, of which I have little or no common ancestry. However, I still think that Spanish people should be given special consideration when it comes to minority protection. Why? Because I have suffered, first hand, the effects of racism against "hispanics". Because my last name is Fernandez, people always assume I'm mexican. Living in Texas, that might be a natural assumption. But this has hurt me several times. My father owns a small business, and on more than one occasion, stupid, ignorant rednecks have actually turned down business deals with him because they don't wanna do business with "a mezzican". This racism is bad enough, but it's also misplaced! My dad is as white as any of them and speaks perfect english (probably better than those rednecks). Even though my family never had to overcome financial barriers, we have had to overcome social barriers. If we are going to solve anything though, it won't be with affirmative action or such similar programs. It will take proper education for the youth for the future generations to truly understand race and racism.

Don't stay in that country, if people is so ignorant. Come back to Europe. Spain is the better place to live in Europe (maybe in the world), and, in contrary with the US opinion it is a rich, modern, westerner and "white" country. It is a latin country because you have roman/mediteranean cultural like the Italian, French and Portuguese, not because we come from Mexicans ! In spanish "latin" is "latino", (latino doesn't mean latino america!) hehehe... and an hispanic country because hispanic relates to Spain.

Disambiguation in census data

This page is easily the most linked-to disambiguation page in the whole wikipedia, and the reason is that there are a large number of articles on places in the United States that include information from the United States Census Bureau that all refer to the number of 'Hispanic' inhabitants. See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Hispanic for many, many examples.

Would it be possible to:

• add a new topic for, well, whatever is the proper term for an Hispanic person living in the United States,
• refer to this in the disambiguation page; and
• get a bot to replace all links from census data to Hispanic to the new page?

m.e. 07:57, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

That would be Hispanic American. We should stick to US Census terms, meaning we use ]. --Jiang 08:19, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

looks good m.e. 09:01, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

An automatic bot would be easy to write since the census data is always essentially in the same format. You know, "... of the population are Hispanic or Latino of any race". No need to manually accept every modification -- the possibility of errors is slim. Wipe 01:07, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Two diferentes articles would be better, in my opinion.

Hispanic American

Hispanic American in the United States or Hispanic American person living in the United States

User:Gimferrer

Yes, that was YOUR opinion. But it had already been solved here, yet you decided to go ahead and vandalize the article anyway. You split it unnecessarily and changing the value and context of the entire article from describing what hispanic american is into a stub describing the terms latino and latin, which has nothing to do with the title of the article. The you attempted to change it forthermore by omitting the true definition of the word. I've already discussed this in length on your user page at User:Gimferrer. Al-Andalus 12:58, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Actually, most Americans are just a bunch of racists and ignorant monkeys (just take a look at their 'democratic' political system, it is so funny to see those meetings of politicians screaming as those idiots wave their American flaggies). Of course, I am aware that there are some American people that have some brain, especially in NYC, but I just wanted to criticize their society as a whole.

It's impossible to make them understand something not related to their so-called 'pop culture', that is: burgers, baseball and TV. Just leave that country and come back to Spain.

Proudly signed by: --GTubio 21:06, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Portugese

Where do Portuguese speakers, like those from Brazil fit in? jengod 20:41, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)

Most Spanish-Mestizos in the Philippines consider themselves as Filipinos(Asians) and not Hispanics.

Deleted two paragraphs

I deleted the two paragraphs that describe how the term "hipano" is used in Latin America because it simply is not true. "Hispano" in Spanish is used in reference to Spain. The part that said that Latin Americans of Chinese ancestry are not considered "Hispanic" is nonsense because absolutely nobody considers him/herself "hispanic". The term is simply not used. It's a term used in the US and only in the US and this is very important to note in order to understand the issue.

Brazilians and Filipinos do not consider themselves either Hispanic or non-Hispanic. The term is not used. It's a US thing and can only be understood as such.

--Lupitaº 17:08, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)