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WP:Videowiki

The tool has become significantly easier to use as of this week and is now "all on Misplaced Pages". Still not perfect and still a lot of technical work to do. The tool is based around scripts such as this one Misplaced Pages:VideoWiki/Gout.

Basically one builds the script, adds the images to the script, and than hits LINK to generate the video, followed by UPDATE to load it to Commons. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 04:46, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

a significant step forward--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:05, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes we have been collaboratively creating a video tutorial for the video tool :-) Works amazingly smoothly. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:38, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

I've had my first go at doing a voiceover: Misplaced Pages:VideoWiki/Dengue_fever. I found that the native recording interface introduces distortions and often clips the recording very close at the ends (both on my computer and on my phone). Using a different app on my phone (mp3 recorder) got much better results. Will maybe do a few more as examples. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo) 12:23, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

The partnerships listed on the WP:MED page

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Medicine#Partners lists three partnerships:

• Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Medicine/Cochrane
• Misplaced Pages:WikiProject CRUK
• Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages education program in medicine

The CRUK one ended in 2015 as far as I know. What partnerships should be listed? I'm happy to do the formatting if people let me know the current list. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo) 23:55, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

We could add the one with Wiki Journal of Medicine and VideoWiki :-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:57, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Would IIAB be relevant to add too? Misplaced Pages medical content seems one of the major components of what it carries. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo) 12:23, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes for sure. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 03:13, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes Misplaced Pages:WikiProject CRUK is I think defunct for the moment - everyone I dealt with has moved on. Johnbod (talk) 03:25, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

I've now updated the Partners section with the additional projects and commented out the CRUK collab. I've converted the CSS into templates, so the parameters should be easy to change to replace the images (I'm not really sure about the videowiki one) and any of the subtitle links T.Shafee(Evo&Evo) 08:12, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

User:Evolution and evolvability looks amazing :-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:53, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

This looks great. Thank you for helping! JenOttawa (talk) 14:00, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Therapeutic abortion

Hi everybody, I would like to report the following issue to users more familiar than me with this kind of matters. A newly registered user recently replaced the content of Therapeutic abortion with a redirect to Abortion#Induced, claiming that they made it in accord with a decision taken in 2010. The page has been then restored in 2015 and nobody complained for that until now. A quick look at the version that preceeded the redirect showed a pretty poorly sourced article, with a lot of POV issues. In any case, I'm not in condition to assess if the item was good enough to deserve a specific article or the information stated in at Abortion#Induced is to be considered enough. Just wanted to signal this situation. Regards, Horst Hof (talk) 10:14, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Agree with the redirect User:Horst Hof. Refs are insufficient for that article. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 10:46, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Infobox for procedures

I would like to add to WP an infobox for procedures that would take advantage of WikiData semantic relationship. E.g., MeSH code for Parathyroidectomy. Where can I make a proposal for new infobox? EncycloABC (talk) 14:50, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

did you mean--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 23:24, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Or do you mean {{Medical resources}} Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:39, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

@EncycloABC: We know that most readers only look at pages for less than 30 seconds, so we try to keep the information in the lead and infobox as concise as possible and limit it to items that the general public will be looking for. As a consequence the template {{Medical resources}} was created to hold the sort of information that a medical professional might be looking for and placed that at the bottom of the article (assuming medical professionals will be able to scan the entire article), so that the first section of the article remains as simple and uncluttered as possible. That is particularly important as we are trying to translate as many medical articles as possible into as many languages as we can.

To answer your specific example, The MeSH code for Parathyroidectomy would be best placed by using the {{Medical resources}} template. I've now updated that template to fetch the MeSH descriptor ID (P486) from Wikidata, and placed it as a demonstration in Parathyroidectomy #External links. You can see how I updated {{Medical resources}} from its page history if you're interested in updating it further to get more information from Wikidata. --RexxS (talk) 12:30, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

@RexxS: is it worth moving the procedure classification data from {{Infobox medical intervention}} to {{medical resources}} to then free up that infobox for human readable information, or would a new RfC have to be run at the infobox page? Little pob (talk) 16:03, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

If you want my opinion, I'd just do it. We shouldn't have to run a formal RfC on every edit! But perhaps it's worth waiting to see if anybody here can see any objections to doing that job, and if so, then discussing them on the template talk page (or start an RfC). Template {{medical resources}} ought to already have the codes needed, so it may be just a question of deprecating the parameters from the infobox and eventually doing a bot/AWB run to remove them and add {{medical resources}}. It looks like there are currently 1454 transclusions of {{Infobox medical intervention}}. --RexxS (talk) 16:58, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

thank you for help with it. I quite motivated to do information for humans AND also for computers/machines. To surface well knowledge in WD and improve WD.EncycloABC (talk) 19:26, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

• The big thing we need to do before the move is decide what we want to put in that place instead. People have ideas? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:34, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Hmmm. Off the top of my head: Synonyms/eponyms. Specialty. Approach method(s) (i.e. open, endoscopic, transvenous etc). Alternative options (e.g. chemotherapy, radiotherapy, sclerotherapy, WLE etc - rather than alt-med). If the information is available, things like typical cost and procedure length might be of use to some readers. Little pob (talk) 15:55, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Little pob's list sounds like a good starting point. WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:50, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes those sound excellent. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 10:10, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Okay drafted a new version {{Infobox medical intervention (new)}} Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:12, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, looks good. Little pob (talk) 12:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

2018 Kivu Ebola outbreak

should anyone wish to lend a hand(yesterday …... today 45 cases in one day) thanks--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 23:21, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Expresso Addict thanks--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 11:46, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Diabetes move

I am feeling a little bit disappointed over the move from diabetes mellitus to diabetes. I see little evidence for consensus. It also clashes with the long-held policy of this project that WP:COMMONNAME should not compromise the accuracy of the name of an article. Any thoughts? JFW | T@lk 11:51, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

The article was previous at diabetes mellitus, and diabetes redirected to it. Now it's the other way around.

It looks like the WP:Requested move was discussed for four weeks (which is a long time for RM) and that the votes were about 2:1 in favor of the move. I'm not enthusiastic about this outcome, but I don't think it's a disaster. Right now, it feels more pointless than either helpful or harmful (to me). WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:21, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

We start with "Diabetes mellitus (DM), commonly known as diabetes," I do not have a strong position either way. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:44, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Help needed in early psychiatry

Hi. I wonder if someone here would be willing to read and edit the Psychiatry section in Arthur M. Sackler. Was this a wrong headed treatment? We have sort of a double whammy in the primitive nature of psychiatry and the controversy surrounding OxyContin and Purdue Pharma so your discretion would be appreciated. I do not wish to smear anyone's reputation, and am attempting only to rely on facts as we see them now. Got quite a long way to go on this bio. Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:15, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

I could also use some help if someone here could read and edit the Marketing section. Harvard published a pretty damning history last week in NEJM. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:54, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Allopathic medicine

Please see Talk:Allopathic medicine#Make this page a disambiguation page WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:10, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

commented--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:55, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

WPM2Cochrane - a tool for linking WikiProject Medicine to the Cochrane Library

At the Insight Centre for Data Analytics, we are currently working on the development of a tool which would help contributors and editors of articles in WikiProject Medicine with the task of identifying relevant Cochrane reviews. The source code and results of the first release of WPM2Cochrane is available on GitHub. We very much appreciate your comments and suggestions to improve this tool.

Arash.Joorabchi (talk) 17:24, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

thank you for posting--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 16:52, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Top viewed medical articles by language (with totals) for 2018

• Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Medicine/Topviews2018byLang courtesy of Edgars. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:30, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Didn't thought they will make into wiki. Will make them prettier, add some wikistyle :) --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 13:29, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

More stats regarding the breakdown of total pageviews by language here Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Medicine/Stats/Totals2018 Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:58, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Discussion of Xconomy and HealthLeaders on the reliable sources noticeboard

There is a discussion on the reliability of Xconomy and HealthLeaders (healthleadersmedia.com) on the reliable sources noticeboard. If you're interested, please participate at Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard § Xconomy and HealthLeaders for eMix. — Newslinger talk 00:05, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

• related issue...Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/EMix--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Gut bath

Gut bath, which currently redirects to Pharmacology (an article where it is not mentioned), has been nominated for deletion at RfD. You are invited to the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 May 16#Gut bath. Thryduulf (talk) 08:00, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

• give opinion(gave mine)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 09:27, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
• If you were one of the early commenters, please go back to the discussion and see whether the additional information is helpful to you. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:01, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

RfC about organizing the sections

• Talk:Methylphenidate#RfC_about_placement_of_content

• Also started a general conversation here Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 06:52, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

commented--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:46, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

eClinicalWorks draft

When I read Death by a Thousand Clicks: Where Electronic Health Records Went Wrong, I was surprised to find that one of the characters in the story, eClinicalWorks, had no Misplaced Pages article. I started messing around with one at User:ImperfectlyInformed/eClinicalWorks. If anyone wants to help out, feel free; I'm not super well-practiced at writing new articles. II | (t - c) 08:43, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

I read a long article about electronic health records recently. It's main point was that the EHR systems suffered from not understanding the audience. Should you write down "leg pain", because that's what the billing office wanted to know, or "osteoarthritis in left knee", which is what the next provider needs to know? Every ailment or only the ones that seem important right now? And, perhaps more importantly in terms of making physicians regret their career choices, now that you can technologically enforce it, you can make that highly trained doctor click all the buttons, to the point that it takes half their work hours. Back in the day, it was all on paper, and there were nurses and other staff who could manage the bureaucratic end of things. If I can find it again, I'll post a link. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:54, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Anisochromasia - Anisochromia

Hello WT:MED friends, which direction should Anisochromasia & Anisochromia be merged in? I don't know enough to make the call. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:56, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

My Stedman's Medical Dictionary (27th ed., 2000) lists anisochromasia but doesn't seem to mention anisochromia anywhere, even as a synonym. Note the two articles give subtly different definitions: Anisochromasia is described as non-uniform colour within individual red blood cells (consistent with Stedman's), whereas Anisochromia is implicitly described as non-uniform colour between different red blood cells. Whether that distinction is legitimate, I do not know. Adrian J. Hunter 09:52, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Charring cigarettes again

May I informally request views on some COI edits made at Phillip Morris's request? See Talk:Electric smoking system#Suggested to shorten IQOS section HLHJ (talk) 01:04, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Charring cigarettes? That reminds me. Why the article has a funny title? The title of the article does not match the content. I cleaned up the very long section. It was bloated. I do not want a separate article created. QuackGuru (talk) 04:44, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Drug interactions on Wikidata

Almost all the drug interactions listed in Wikidata appear to be from a 2012 reference. There are quite a few drug interactions that I expected to find but were missing (e.g. fentanyl x amiodarone). Is Wikidata missing interactions, or is there a threshold of severity required that I'm overlooking? I've updated the wikdata item for fentanyl, so please revert if I've made an error. Additionally, is there any scope to use the qaualifier field to indicate the nature or severity of the interaction? T.Shafee(Evo&Evo) 07:39, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

I suspect they are simply an omission, but wikidata:Wikidata talk:WikiProject Medicine is probably a better place to inquire about Wikidata standards. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:40, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

@Evolution and evolvability: Jo-Jo Eumerus is right about the best location to discuss, but just as FYI for colleagues here who aren't familiar with Wikidata, each property on Wikidata has a discussion page that outlines its use and its original conception. So in this case, you can follow the links from fentanyl (Q407541) to significant drug interaction (P769) to the property talk page and see the sort of limits and constraints that are expected. For fentanyl, you'll have to use your expertise and judgement (or just cite a reference, as you did) to make the case that it meets the definition "a clinically significant interaction between two pharmacologically active substances (i.e., drugs and/or active metabolites) where one substance (so-called 'precipitant') alters the pharmacokinetics or pharmacodynamics of another substance (so-called, 'object'). The property should be used in this direction: <object> <drug action altered by> <precipitant>". HTH --RexxS (talk) 16:42, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

@Jo-Jo Eumerus and RexxS: Thanks for the info and recommendations. I've also reposted over at WD Med. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo) 02:21, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

References

1. Phansalkar, Shobha; Desai, Amrita A; Bell, Douglas; Yoshida, Eileen; Doole, John; Czochanski, Melissa; Middleton, Blackford; Bates, David W (2012-09). "High-priority drug–drug interactions for use in electronic health records". Journal of the American Medical Informatics Association. 19 (5): 735–743. doi:10.1136/amiajnl-2011-000612. ISSN 1067-5027. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
2. Farré, Magi; Torrens, Marta; Farré, Adriana; Fonseca, Francina; Papaseit, Esther; Pérez-Mañá, Clara (2018). "Drug Interactions With New Synthetic Opioids". Frontiers in Pharmacology. 9. doi:10.3389/fphar.2018.01145. ISSN 1663-9812.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)

Journal article needed

I am trying to get hold of the full text of PMID 29268618. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:22, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Enter sci-hub.tw in your address bar and hit enter.

When the page loads, input that paper’s doi: 10.1177/1367493517748373

Hit enter, solve the captcha, then there’s no paywall. Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 16:31, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Seppi; that was easy. Had by student editing once again. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:46, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

• Misplaced Pages talk:School and university projects/IIT SSSUP polo Valdera SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:53, 20 May 2019 (UTC)