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Three maintenance templates were recently added to the top of the article without explanation. They were:

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These were then combined into a "multiple issues" template and the "needs to be updated" was dropped. Neither the "out-of-date information" nor the "incomplete" warnings seem valid to me.

The article has been continuously updated, and includes information current through at least the second quarter of 2016. The article has been carefully written to identify the time at which each event happened, and in most cases when specific sources commented on Boko Haram. If there is an issue with this somewhere in the article, the specific statement (or at a minimum, section) should be flagged so that other editors will know how to fix it. As it stands, I'm at a loss to even know where to look in the article for the problem. If the issue is that there's nothing on 2017 yet, let's say so - and not put a scare template at the top suggesting that the entire article is somehow tainted.

The article is also quite extensive. Doubtless there is more that could be included, but that's true of any Misplaced Pages article. There is certainly no reason to believe the article is so incomplete as to be fundamentally misleading to the reader. If there's something missing, please explain what it is on the Talk page (or better year, find a couple of sources and add it). EastTN (talk) 14:25, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Actually, the article is fundamentally misleading to the reader. There are actually two groups spoken of in this article. One is Jamā'at Ahl as-Sunnah lid-Da'wah wa'l-Jihād, commonly known as Boko Haram, lead by Abu Bakr Shekau, which is an independent group And the other is Islamic State West Africa Province (Wilayat Garb Ifriqiyah), led by Abu Musab al-Barnawi, which is part of the Islamic State.

They separated in August 2016 after Shekau defied IS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and was replaced as leader by Abu Musab He then went back to leading fighters under his original groups name.

This fact is actually stated in the body of the article (under the 2016 section "Weakening and split", but the lede has not been corrected to reflect this and speaks of them as one group. Two separate articles are needed. This one should remain for the group known as 'Boko Haram'

And the article needs to be entirely cleaned up. The majority of the article is simply news. Large blocks of text with random list of attacks, the majority non-significant. Misplaced Pages is not news. The whole "campaign of violence" section needs to be edited.

I will just go ahead and make some improvements...Kuching7102 (talk) 00:44, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Signedzzz Gutting material claiming copyvio

It seems he is concerned about the UN material. Our policy on copyright says:

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The material is coming from Reports from "UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs" and these reports are quoted and republished verbatim by other websites like this and many others evidently with no objection from the UN. Therefore I can't see any basis for a claim of copyvio. Legacypac (talk) 21:08, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Much of what you wrote above is irrelevant. "Works of the United Nations or one of its bodies are generally copyrighted" isn't particularly encouraging. The source says "This report is produced by OCHA in collaboration with humanitarian partners". That was, and still is, enough for me to doubt its copyright status. I would want a second opinion before I could consider quoting large chunks from it. It is questionable in any case whether doing so would improve the article. zzz (talk) 22:32, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
The underlined words are the important part, but here ask the UN directly. I disagree with your mass removal of the material. Legacypac (talk) 22:43, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
If you need to ask the UN directly, I suggest you do that. There is a new report every month: are you suggesting adding 7,000 bytes of verbatim quotes per month? Going back how far? I was thinking of adding these reports to External links, then anyone can read them if they want. Per WP:PRIMARY, it is probably inappropriate to copy out chunks from them here. Although, if anyone wanted to summarise them, that might be an idea. zzz (talk) 22:57, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. http://reliefweb.int/report/nigeria/lake-chad-basin-crisis-update-no-13-7-march-2017
  2. http://humanitariannews.org/20170510/nigeria-lake-chad-basin-crisis-update-no-15-09-may-2017

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They don't know that:

killing people does not constitute the supposed personhood of the Universe (the god/allah) actual. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:4100:5800:5584:67A3:6753:D00C (talk) 05:02, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

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