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*I would suggest an indefinite AP2 topic ban: anyone who posts is unlikely to ever be productive in the topic area and a time limited TBAN will only kick the can down the road. Also noting that I've given them the 9/11 DS alert on the off chance they go on to create disruption in that area. ] (]) 14:39, 27 May 2019 (UTC) *I would suggest an indefinite AP2 topic ban: anyone who posts is unlikely to ever be productive in the topic area and a time limited TBAN will only kick the can down the road. Also noting that I've given them the 9/11 DS alert on the off chance they go on to create disruption in that area. ] (]) 14:39, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
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    SMcCandlish

    SMcCandlish and Roy McCoy are banned from interacting with each other for six months. This ban is subject to the usual exceptions. GoldenRing (talk) 12:04, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
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    Request concerning SMcCandlish

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    Roy McCoy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 06:48, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
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    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 17:47, 30 April 2019 SM dismisses the University of Oxford style guide, cited by Number 57 and not by me, as an unreliable source in contrast to more reliable OUP reference works.
    2. 17:53, 30 April 2019 Accuses me of straw-man argumentation and of misquoting him in my defense of Number 57.
    3. 05:54, 1 May 2019 I reply, informing that I have discovered another style guide, the OUP Academic Division's Guide for authors and editors, which is incontestably published by OUP and also proscribes the comma he is attempting to impose.
    4. 13:42, 1 May 2019 SM writes of "comma-averse news style guides (and unreliable-source blogs)", though without direct reference to me. This doesn't yet misrepresent me; it does, however, ignore the previously cited and less-easily-dismissable OUP guide, as he will repeatedly do thereafter.
    5. 22:45, 3 May 2019 SM ignores the incontestably found and cited OUP guide, misrepresentingly asserting that I am citing "internal house style sheets". This is the beginning of his repeated misstatements in this regard.
    6. 22:19, 7 May 2019 He continues, writing of "the fact that Oxford's in-house 'marketing about the university' stylesheet is irrelevant to encyclopedia writing and has no connection to Oxford U. Press style".
    7. 04:06, 8 May 2019 I protest that the Guide for authors and editors is indeed an OUP publication and provide a citation from it proving this.
    8. 05:00, 8 May 2019 SM writes "Let's take a vote: Who else here can't tell the difference " and again repeats his misstatement regarding the OUP manual.
    9. 05:13, 8 May 2019 Cites WP:IDHT, prompting my interest in consensus and and my ensuing question in that regard.
    10. 07:03, 8 May 2019 Continuing to assume good faith (i.e. that SM has sincerely failed to understand), I again place the link to the guide and the quote.
    11. 02:15, 10 May 2019 SM repeats the misstatement. "McCoy's own source list keeps mistaking such sources (e.g. Oxford internal marketing stuff) for academic ones anyway".
    12. 04:49, 10 May 2019 As SM is still giving the appearance of not understanding, I explain about the Oxford style guides again and ask him to (1) acknowledge that the guide I've been talking about isn't the one he's been saying it is, and (2) respond to the question of whether or not he thinks a consensus on the comma issue exists.
    13. 11:51, 11 May 2019 SM refuses to respond; edit summary: "Meh".
    14. 13:23, 11 May 2019 I repeat the requests.
    15. 17:23, 12 May 2019 SM replies at length but still without responding to the request, adding a new misstatement without retracting the old one.
    16. 17:27, 12 May 2019 SM asserts that I'm proving his point for him, "trying to rely on an internal memo of a publisher as if it is one of their public-facing works. It isn't."
    17. 17:27, 12 May 2019 Continues to ignore the requests; accuses me of "having (or faking) reading comprehension problems".

    A sequence of alternating repeated requests and repeated nonresponses leads to EEng's putting an end to the exchange (and to the discussion) by politely requesting both SM and myself to refrain from further comment. I apologize for having inadvertently bothered anyone.


    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. 21:17, 1 March 2013 "With regard to pages or discussions related to WP:MOS, SMcCandlish is prohibited from making bad faith assumptions about other participants; strongly advised to avoid commenting on contributor, particularly with regard to WP:NPA and WP:CIV; and encouraged to keep his contributions to a reasonable length."
    2. 8 November 2014 " drowning follow-up discussion with aggressive and overly wordy postings; and the continued general display of battleground attitude that has been characteristic of your conduct in this field for long. This is unacceptable: if you get a community sanction, n matter whether it has run out or not, it means the community expects you to actually modify your behaviour. You clearly didn't."
    3. 12:06, 6 September 2015 "I have topic-banned User:SMcCandlish for two months under DS procedures, as this filing and related discussions display recurrent issues of battleground attitude over style issues."


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    • Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on 21:17 1 March 2013 by Sandstein (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA).
    • Gave an alert about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on 04:51, 4 May 2019.


    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    SMcCandlish has repeatedly violated expected standards of civil behavior stipulated by the discretionary sanctions notice at the MoS talk page. My primary complaint here relates to the two WP:CIV provisions, that one should not intentionally make misrepresentations and that one should not ignore reasonable questions. McCandlish's refusal to observe these principles, documented above, has led to a disruption at the MoS talk page. I have attempted several times to resolve this problem at McClandish's talk page (), but was brusquely dismissed and instructed not to respond there further. In not proposing a specific sanction I was following the advice at WP:TINJ, that "it is best not to request or demand specific solutions", to "eek solutions, not justice", and to "ask for practical solutions". If Robert McClenon is suggesting that a topic ban or block would be the most appropriate sanction in this case then that is what I request, though noting that the idea did not originate with me and that I would want such a ban be of minimum length, as I want neither to exclude McCandlish from further discussion of the topic nor to appear to be trying to do so for whatever motive. If his uncivil behavior continues, however, then it might presumably be found that the ban should be extended. I did propose "an actual sanction of some sort" in my previous comment (the present comment having been shortened as requested), though I did not suggest a specific one and indeed have no experience in matters such as this qualifying me to determine a specific measure. I was in the process of abbreviating the diff explanations when I noticed the comments that have now come in from administrators, and hastily post this now in consequence of that. Is it desired that I shorten the explanations? I didn't realize they had gotten so long and apologize for not doing a word count on them before I posted. I can prioritize this over a response to the IBAN proposal if desired.


    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    06:13, 21 May 2019

    Responses by Roy McCoy

    I reply to the posted comments.
    @Robert McClenon: I don't understand who you are, where you have come from, or why you said it didn't appear that I had tried to discuss the problem on McCandlish's talk page when I had indicated in my statement that I had. Nonetheless, the revised version of my original statement again adresses this, and I hope you are now satisfied that I did indeed try as best I could to resolve the matter without proceeding to dispute resolution here. I have also complied with your assertion that I needed to request a sanction, reluctantly adding one and explaining my not having specified one before – though, again, I did recommend an unspecified sanction. "A topic ban or block" does not represent my final proposal on this; I have other ideas that I will present if afforded the opportunity.
    @El C: I have shortened the report per your request, I hope adequately.
    @Sandstein: I have deleted three of the diffs and revised the explanations of others to exclude failures to observe other aspects of the WP:CIV directives than the two indicated in both versions of my statement. I was within the twenty-diff limit, am more so now, and do not feel that I should be obliged to trim the list further, thus suggesting that the number of violations (or quantity of violation) was less than it was. I observe also that there is no clear violation – no matter how many diffs are listed – unless the untruth of what I am asserting to be the misstatement is determined. This might in another case be difficult, but not in this one.
    @GoldenRing: I don't know that El_C hasn't already had a look at the discussion, but in any event the part of it most germane to the immediate discussion is the repeated back-and-forth that occurred when I repeated the requests and McCandlish continued not to respond. This is not mere arbitrary squabbling with both parties equally guilty, as one might tend to judge at first glance. Either the repeated statement was accurate, in which case I was at fault and should be sanctioned with no consideration of any sanction for McCandlish; or it was inaccurate, in which case I was justified in continuing to request a retraction, he was in violation of the cited WP:CIV directive, and any sanction should be placed on him rather than me. I can't stop the administrators from slapping a quick one-size-fits-all IBAN or whatever if that's what you want to do, and I can't complain about justice having digested WP:TINJ; but I'm sure a more appropriate result is possible, also from the viewpoint of simple effectiveness and success regarding the stated DR goals.
    I'm approaching the 500-word limit. May I reply to Ealdgyth, and may we perhaps go to a somewhat higher word limit on this case, also for McCandlish? Thank you. –Roy McCoy (talk) 02:02, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

    Discussion concerning SMcCandlish

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    Statement by SMcCandlish

    Statement by Robert McClenon

    It appears that the filing party has not tried to discuss the disruptive editing on the talk page of SMcCandlish. The use of a conduct forum such as WP:ANI or Arbitration Enforcement without requesting a sanction (and while saying that one is not requesting a sanction) adds heat and no light. Either ask for a topic-ban or a block, or go back to the user talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:17, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

    Result concerning SMcCandlish

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    • I agree that this should not be processed until it is substantially more concise. Identify the few edits that are, in your view, the clearest violations of the sanction at issue, and briefly explain why. That will suffice. Sandstein 14:21, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
    • @El C: If you think the complaint is lengthy, try reading the discussion on which it is based. GoldenRing (talk) 14:46, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
    • The irony of the filer mentioning that SMC was "encouraged to keep his contributions to a reasonable length" is withering. From watching this blow up, it basically boils down to the filer wanting SMC to apologize/retract/acknowledge something that the filer feels SMC wrongly said. Frankly, I don't blame SMC for eventually getting a bit curt in his replies, as the filer has gone on endlessly about ... something... and continued to do so even after SMC asked the filer to stop posting. At some point, you just have to stop, and this filing is ill advised. I recommend no action, although if this sort of continued posting keeps happening, the filer might find a boomerang in their future. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:26, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
    • I've had a crack at reading the discussion at WT:MOS. Frankly, I think the suggestion made by EEng is an excellent one and one which might possibly be imposed as a sanction on both SMcCandlish and Roy McCoy. The exact form of such a sanction might, perhaps, need to be somewhat more formal than the rather casual statement in the diff. The behaviour there is not egregious but it's not good and it's not one-sided. I could support, say, a six-month IBAN between SMcCandlish and Roy McCoy in the scope of MOS discussions. Thoughts? GoldenRing (talk) 14:46, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
    • I too find a lot of merit in EEng's recommendation, and a six month mutual iban between SMcCandlish and Roy McCoy would seem to be a more diplomatic way of phrasing it. I would also very strongly encourage study the art of brevity - perhaps even going as far as recommending a 24 hour block for every 100 words over the word limit they are in any future dispute resolution forum. Thryduulf (talk) 11:05, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

    BorchePetkovski

    BorchePetkovski is topic banned from all areas pertaining to Macedonia, broadly construed, indefinitely. El_C 20:28, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
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    Request concerning BorchePetkovski

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    MJL (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 23:37, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    BorchePetkovski (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
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    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 14 April 2019 In this edit, they try to replace Greek Macedonians with Macedonians in Greece. This is the first example is on the face of things not too bad, but they do receive a healthy warning for it from Dr.K.. Violation of MOS:MAC (disclaimer: I helped to write that guideline)
    2. 21 April 2019 User is reverted for adding unsourced content (WP:OR).
    3. 21 April 2019 User then changes the population numbers within the infobox and even breaks a source. They were then warned by Jingiby this was disruptive
    4. 29 April 2019 User seeks to change the name of the election within the infobox from 2019 North Macedonian presidential election to 2019 Macedonian presidential election. This is quickly reverted by Teratix with a note to discuss on talk. The user never takes up that offer.
    5. 1 May 2019 Same change as preceding diff of previous day. Clearly did not listen.
    6. 6 May 2019 BorchePetkovski violates WP:UNCIVIL by telling Number 57, "There is only Macedonian... What's wrong with you..."
    7. 23 May 2019 User creates a move request on a page that is currently a redirect for no clear reason. User had requested the page in question be renamed 2019 Macedonian presidential election. This was how I became aware of them.
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    Additional comments by editor filing complaint
    1. 13 April 2019 User's first edit is to request 2019 North Macedonian presidential election be renamed to 2019 Macedonian presidential election.
    2. 20 April 2019 claims this is cultural GENOCIDE of Macedonians.
    3. 21 April 2019 also makes vague claims of propaganda.

    It is my personal opinion that the editor in question is simply WP:NOTHERE. They likely are simply an SPA used to push a POV. –MJL ‐Talk‐ 23:42, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Done.

    Discussion concerning BorchePetkovski

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    Result concerning BorchePetkovski

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    • I'm tempted to close now. Was tempted to close yesterday. But I suppose we can give the editor time to respond, though that seems like more of a procedural gesture than anything. El_C 14:22, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

    SashiRolls

    Awilley has applied a No personal comments restriction on SashiRolls for one year. El_C 00:24, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
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    Request concerning SashiRolls

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    MrX (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 22:11, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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    SashiRolls (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    1RR
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    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1RR violation
    1. 16:26, May 26, 2019 Revert 1 (Original edit)
    2. 19:38, May 26, 2019 Revert 2 (Original edit)
    1RR violation
    1. 19:21, May 22, 2019 Revert 1 (Original edit)
    2. 22:13, May 22, 2019 Revert 2 (Original edit) - Request to self-revert
    Assumptions of bad faith, personal attacks, and WP:BATTLEGROUND editing
    1. May 26, 2019 "Of course, everyone knows that the inner cabal doesn't have to follow the rules and can bully folks around to their heart's desire. Are y'all donors? special ops? just lucky?"
    2. May 24, 2019 "Cf. wp:tag team 1) I am not your mate. 2) Cf. sources & methods Chapter 1 is gaslighting the opposition."
    3. May 25, 2019 "You are giving the appearance of doing everything you can to make Gabbard's biography look bad" ... "I personally hope it because you dislike her candidacy, rather than because you want to play psychological games with people on the internet: but neither is a good excuse for the POV editing."
    4. May 24, 2019 "I think I'll just leave AmPol2 to the trolls. Adding big blue-links to Russian media entries is obviously not standard practice, except for folks like Cirt (and others in his cabal). It is rhetoric. Ciao. "
    5. February 19, 2019 "I would remind Snoog & MrX that tag-teaming is a well-known strategy that is frowned upon."
    6. February 21, 2019 "By reverting me restoring information you removed from the lede, you are subverting the BRD process in your typical gaming style"
    7. February 25, 2019 Shortly after the content dispute referenced in the about two diffs, SashiRolls stalked me to a completely unrelated matter at ANI.
    8. Repeatedly refers to me as "Snoox" which is apparently intended to imply that Snooganssnoogans and I are tag team editing, or the same user.
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. September 3, 2016 Topic-banned from Jill Stein for six months
    2. December 16, 2016 Indefinitely prohibited from commenting on AE requests to which they are not a party.
    3. December 20, 2016 6-month block for disruptive editing and wiki-hounding.
    4. June 23, 2017 1-year indefinite block.
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    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    Full disclosure: I inadvertently violated 1RR myself on May 19 because I did not realize that the article was under 1RR and did not notice the page notice. Once I became aware, I acknowledged my error here. Most of my edits were undone by SashiRolls and I did a self-revert here. - MrX 🖋 22:11, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

    • The so called "consensus" was three people more than three months ago at Talk:Tulsi_Gabbard/Archive_1#Russian Propaganda and I was not even aware of it until after I posted this request. Since February, the issue underlying the content has resurfaced in the media. What is odd is that, if SashiRolls is relying on the three month old three person consensus, why he both removed and added material about the disputed content.. By my count, there are three people who currently support this material in the article, and it is being actively discussed on the talk page and at WP:NPOVN. In other words, consensus is currently being worked out.
    • El_C I'm not exactly sure what it means to "further a content dispute", but if you are suggesting that I brought this here to win a content dispute, I guess that is a reasonable suspicion to have and I can only point to my contribution history. I am only asking that admins address the 1RR violations to make sure they don't continue occurring, and that SashiRolls stops berating anyone who disagrees with him. How you get there is your prerogative.


    And please tell SashiRolls to stop referring to me as Snoox. It's pure harassment.- MrX 🖋 12:26, 27 May 2019 (UTC)


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    Statement by SashiRolls

    This toxic bullying and false report to AE timed for the beginning of the work-week should result in MrX being blocked. There is a reason why MrX does not follow the AE instructions (explain HOW the diffs violate 1RR), because they do not. On 22 May, MrX boldly re-introduced an NBC News article which had been rejected by TP consensus back in February (not quite unanimously: the sockpuppet "Dan the Plumber" was the lone voice arguing for its inclusion on her BLP). Both edits MrX incriminates on 25 May 2019 are related to this prior TP consensus as I made clear in my edit summary and are exempt from 1RR: Edits made solely to enforce any clearly established consensus are exempt from all edit-warring restrictions. In order to be considered "clearly established" the consensus must be proven by prior talk-page discussion.

    Looking more closely at MrX's claim about my editorial action on the 22 May 2019 it should be noted that the first was a straightforward removal of the undue material and the second was a rewrite adding 2 reactions directly relevant to the affair, but leaving the "info" in place. Even MrX had accepted on the TP that this should be first discussed on the campaign talk page before being added to the BLP. MrX: "I can live with it being in the campaign article for now." (source)

    The only other significant edit I've made to the page was to restore the mention of TG's membership on the House Foreign Affairs Committee that an IP had removed with a deceptive edit summary. Therefore, MrX's claim that I have reverted "most of his edits" (9RR) on the 19 May 2019 is patently false. MrX is assuming nobody will look into this pants-on-fire lie. The only edits made by MrX on 19 May 2019 that I touched in any way are related to the bad faith Daily Beast article implying that Gabbard is a Russian stooge. edit: this is not quite right, I also restored the long-standing section titles MrX wanted to change

    Snoox: this is a convenient abbreviation for the two people who have been consistently working together to POV-push on Gabbard's BLP since January. As Thucydides mentions below, MrX (and Awilley for that matter) are curiously silent about Snoog's clear violations of NPA Snooganssnoogans: "I think it's time that you stop filling talk pages with your bad faith accusations, feverish unsubstantiated smears and conspiracy theories." source.

    Where the problem originates is clear, but will AE do something about it and deal with the Snoox? I predict that much will be made of my abbreviating their names into a harmless portmanteau and the legitimately venomous comments will be ignored. Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy to proven wrong and see some signs of integrity, but I won't hold my breath based on my experience... MrX's claim that I "followed him to an unrelated ANI" discussion is false: he was prosecuting someone for reverting the "Dan the Plumber" sock who had been hyper-active on the Tulsi Gabbard talk page. Conclusion: MrX wants to make my life complicated by starting a groundless AE case timed to coincide with the beginning of the workweek, because he knows I work for a living. This sort of aggressive behavior is defined at WP:HARASSMENT: Harassment is a pattern of repeated offensive behavior that appears to a reasonable observer to intentionally target a specific person or persons. Usually (but not always), the purpose is to make the target feel threatened or intimidated, and the outcome may be to make editing Misplaced Pages unpleasant for the target, to undermine, frighten, or discourage them from editing. 🌿 SashiRolls 04:12, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

    Sandstein: Leave this open until Thursday and I will provide you with plenty of diffs to show you that the language I used is the most appropriate language to describe MrX's actions. However, during the workweek I do not have time to assemble the proof. Already, you can see that both 1RR claims are wrong and that there is a great deal that is disingenuous in this report. (MrX claims that he never saw the previous talk page consensus until after filing the report, even though it was linked to in the very diff he provided above and it was already alluded to on the talk page; he claims I reverted most of his 9RR on 19 May 2019, which is likewise demonstrably false.) I can dig up plenty... that's why the case was started on Monday: so I wouldn't have time to do so. Interesting how Objective3000 and myverybestwishes have piled onto this without saying a single word about the bogus complaint their friend MrX brought, or about me. Here's their old pal Calton getting blocked for helping out with the bullying: §§ 🌿 SashiRolls 19:26, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

    Statement by Thucydides411

    Let's look at the first series of diffs that MrX gives, because they paint a different picture from the one MrX is presenting:

    There was consensus on the talk page that the accusation of Gabbard receiving Russian support should be removed: see this thread. This consensus was not immediately implemented, but SashiRolls subsequently removed the accusations, in accordance with the talk-page consensus (diff), and referenced the talk page consensus in the edit summary: "removed opinion piece following TP consensus". Snooganssnoogans reinserted the material (diff), without engaging on the talk page. This was a violation of consensus, which, given SashiRolls' edit summary, Snooganssnoogans should have been aware of. SashiRolls then edited the material (diff). MrX then added back in some of the material SashiRolls' edits had removed, with a somewhat deceptive edit summary calling the changes a "CE" (copy-edit): diff. This again goes against the previous consensus, which is that this material was not significant enough to be in the biography of Tulsi Gabbard. A new consensus should be established on the talk page, not edit-warred into the article. SashiRolls then removed this addition (diff), incorrectly attributing the last addition to "Snoox" (perhaps an oversight, but portrayed as intentional by MrX above).

    A couple of comments:

    1. The first clear violation of Misplaced Pages rules in this sequence was the reinsertion by Snooganssnoogans of material that there had been a consensus to remove. Snooganssnoogans should have gone to the talk page to seek consensus for reinstating that material.
    2. While on the one hand, SashiRolls reverted more than once, Snooganssnoogans and MrX were ignoring consensus. They should have gone to the talk page if they wished to establish a new consensus, rather than putting the material back in right away.
    3. The material in question is highly questionable, both from the perspective of WP:WEIGHT and WP:BLPBALANCE. MrX accuses SashiRolls of battleground mentality, but it is difficult to look at the content that MrX and Snooganssnoogans are trying to reinsert into the article and not see some sort of POV pushing going on. If this material is reinserted, fully half of the article's section on Tulsi Gabbard's campaign would be about accusations that she has received favorable coverage from Russian media. This is clearly disproportionate, and MrX and Snooganssnoogans should not be rushing to reinsert this material without first obtaining consensus.

    The principle of "clean hands" is at work here. The editor bringing this complaint, MrX, has themselves ignored the consensus at the article. The material that MrX was attempting to reinstate was problematic from both BLP and weight perspectives. Note that MrX did not decide to bring a case against Snooganssnoogans for violating WP:CONSENSUS, but instead brought a case against SashiRolls for supposedly violating WP:1RR - the obvious difference being that Snooganssnoogans and MrX agree on the content issue. That leaves me with the impression that AE is being used in service of a content dispute. A neutral complaint would at least have mentioned Snooganssnoogans' and MrX' violation of WP:CONSENSUS - or better yet, AE would have been entirely avoided. The admins evaluating this case should take a close look at MrX's edits at Tulsi Gabbard, and judge not only SashiRolls' behavior, but also that of MrX. -Thucydides411 (talk) 03:17, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

    @Awilley: I agree that there is a problem with editors dividing into two groups, but they're not strictly "left" vs. "right." In this case, the "left" group you identify is trying to insert material that is troubling from a BLP perspective into an article about a left-wing politician (Gabbard), and the "right" editors are trying to remove it. The "right" editors are trying to insert defenses of the left-wing politician by left-wing journalists (Greenwald and Taibbi), while the "left" editors are criticizing the inclusion of those defenses. In other fora, the "left" editors have argued strenuously against citing material by Greenwald and Taibbi. The actual dividing line appears to be one's views on Russiagate, with Gabbard, Greenwald and Taibbi falling on one side of the line, and their critics on the other side.
    The BLP issue here should really be addressed, with editors popping in to a BLP to insert critical material (about Russiagate, of course - what else would it be about?) which is very similar to material that was previously removed by consensus. With this material, half of the section on Tulsi Gabbard's Presidential campaign would be devoted to a few sources that allege she's supported by Russia. This sort of behavior - trying to push Russiagate into every article - is a real problem. It's also going on at other BLPs. To give you an example, Russiagate now makes up one quarter of the lede at Julian Assange. This is far more weight than is given to anything else Julian Assange has done - the founding of WikiLeaks, the US diplomatic cables, the Iraq and Afghanistan War logs, etc., and it clearly can't be in line with WP:BLPBALANCE. I'm sure that if you look more closely, you'll see this pattern repeated across other BLPs tangentially related to Russiagate. -Thucydides411 (talk) 15:21, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
    @Sandstein: Do you have a judgment on the issue of MrX and Snooganssnoogans ignoring consensus to reinsert material with problematic consequences for BLP? This sort of issue is a wider problem with the group of editors identified by Awilley, and can be seen, for example, at Julian Assange, where the lede has also been loaded up with Russiagate-related material, in a way that violates WP:BLPBALANCE. -Thucydides411 (talk) 18:03, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
    @Objective3000: WP:DUE is a question of weight. One sentence about Russiagate in the lede of Julian Assange might be due, but an entire paragraph, complete with details of exactly how many Russian intelligence officers were indicted by Mueller, is way out of proportion. All of WikiLeaks' many publications together receive less space in the lede than Russiagate. This is a serious BLP problem: see WP:BLPBALANCE. -Thucydides411 (talk) 19:13, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
    @Awilley: I provided diffs in my initial comment here, showing how MrX and Snooganssnoogans ignored the previous consensus, even after it had been pointed out to them by SashiRolls. The normal procedure when there exists a prior consensus to remove material - especially when that material raises BLP concerns - is to discuss first and edit later. That wasn't followed here. The approach was to add the material back in first, regardless of the previous consensus and the BLP concerns, and to discuss later. The principle of "clean hands" should be addressed here, since the editor raising this enforcement request themselves acted improperly. -Thucydides411 (talk) 19:18, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

    Statement by My very best wishes

    I disagree with assessment by Thucydides411 that there is a group of contributors who are "trying to push Russiagate into every article" which "is a real problem". This is Misplaced Pages:Casting aspersions by Thucydides411. Per WP:NPOV, the coverage in WP must reflect the coverage in RS, and it does, at least on this subject. The "interference" is so significant because it "helped" to effectively disable the entire political system in the US, as a result of electing certain officials and their actions. My very best wishes (talk) 17:19, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

    Statement by Objective3000

    @Thucydides411: I haven’t weighed in on the Assange lead, and don’t wish to start a content discussion here; but I don’t think you are using a good example to make your point that some editors are trying to push Russiagate into every article by claiming problematic BLP behavior related to the Assange article lead. The first sentence of the relevant DOJ announcement is: “A federal grand jury returned an 18-count superseding indictment today charging Julian P. Assange, 47, the founder of WikiLeaks, with offenses that relate to Assange’s alleged role in one of the largest compromises of classified information in the history of the United States.” Seems mighty due. We all know there exist problems in the AP area; but I don’t see editors trying to shove undue material about Russia into every article. O3000 (talk) 18:24, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

    @SashiRolls: Interesting how Objective3000 and myverybestwishes have piled onto this without saying a single word about the bogus complaint their friend MrX brought, or about me. How did I “pile on”? My comment was about Thucydides411’s general claim about political editors. I am otherwise uninvolved. O3000 (talk) 19:56, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

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    • I'm the last person to defend SashiRolles, and once again I am not impressed with their behaviour, but Thucydides411 also brings up some compelling arguments. I, too, am not sure I wish to see AE used to further a content dispute, which may be what is happening here. El_C 11:41, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
    • I've had my eye on this dispute for a couple of months now, and despite seeing that SushiRolls is extremely annoying to collaborate with I have refrained from taking any action besides general warnings. My reason is this: It's common knowledge that the American Politics topic area has many editors whose editorial positions tend to consistently favor one political ideology or another. Close enough RfCs in the topic area and you'll notice that certain groups of editors almost always end up on the same side with each other. Ask all these people to individually rank all the other editors on a "right" vs. "left" spectrum and the results would be highly correlated with the same editors consistently showing up on the "right" and "left" sides, although with some disagreement about where the "center" is located. Calling these people "civil POV pushers" or "tendentious editors" may be a bit harsh, but for the sake of conciseness let's use the term "tendentious editors". Normally these tendentious editors roughly balance each other out, with content disputes and RfCs being largely settled by the positions and arguments of the "swing voters". However in this case it would seem that the article's subject (Tulsi Gabbard) occupies the unenviable position of being disliked by both Republicans and Democrats, and from what I've seen of the talk page, SashiRolls seems to be the only tendentious editor interested in pushing back against edits that portray Gabbard in a negative light. (I don't see TFD as a tendentious editor.) I know very little about Gabbard, mostly just what I've read in the snippets of various reverts, but somehow I doubt that the question of whether she received support from "Russian Interests" is the most notable aspect of her 2020 campaign (judging by the weight it is given in the 3-paragraph subsection in the edit warring diffs above). I don't want this to be misinterpreted as declining to sanction a disruptive editor because they're pushing the right POV. The POV pushing is still a negative, but for me in this particular instance the importance of POV is small compared to the issue of BLP. I'm unsure of the best outcome in this particular situation. SR has been annoying and disruptive, but I would weakly oppose a topic ban, for now. Perhaps a warning? I fear I'm going to regret making this comment at all when SashiRolls interprets it as a nod of encouragement, which it is not. ~Awilley (talk) 13:25, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
    Also note I'm not suggesting we turn this into a boomerang. MrX, from what I've seen, is a relative newcomer to this particular conflict, and I'm not surprised that he got fed up with the situation. ~Awilley (talk) 15:21, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
    @Sandstein: I'm happy to give User:Awilley/Discretionary sanctions#No personal comments a whirl and see if that has any effect.
    @MrX: I'll warn about "Snoox". Initially I overlooked it because I thought it was just short for Snoogansanoons, whose name I routinely misspell.
    @Thucydides411: I'm starting to regret my comment already. I don't think the focus should be on groups of editors, and I'm not willing to start throwing sideways boomerangs based on bare assertions. If you want to call for sanctions against Snoog- or MrX you can dig up diffs and start a new thread. ~Awilley (talk) 18:49, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
    I've gone ahead and applied the No Personal Comments sanction on my own. That at the very least was warranted. ~Awilley (talk) 00:18, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
    • I'm not interested in the 1RR issue, but I would support a sanction for the general battleground attitude exhibited in the other diffs, reinforced with the response here: "This toxic bullying and false report to AE timed for the beginning of the work-week ...". We don't need editors with a temper like that in controversial topic areas. Sandstein 17:43, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

    Batvette

    Batvette is indefinitely topic-banned from post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people, broadly construed. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:21, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
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    Request concerning Batvette

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    Ahrtoodeetoo (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 05:04, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
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    Batvette consistently battlegrounds, ignores AGF, and personalizes nearly every dispute. He often literally taunts the (unspecified) editors who disagree with him; in fact, for the last week his user page included a taunt of his political opponents. Specific edits include:

    1. describing another editor's comments as lame and not competant
    2. suggesting that another editor has not reached a level of education to differentiate adjectives from adverbs (also includes a taunt of Batvette's political opponents)
    3. You people will continue to cling to the most specious of arguments to preserve its existence with silly wiki lawyering behind facades of innocent faces.
    4. Willful ignorance is hardly a talking point I feel obligated to waste time on
    5. And the WaPo RS furnished directly supports this assertion nearly verbatim in its lede paragraphs suggests an intent to troll this discussion. I will not further respond to such nonsense. This discussion appears to be going nowhere but neither am I. These boorish tactics will not serve you well when recorded for posterity on this page.
    6. (to another editor:) Trump thanks you for assisting in his 2020 reelection.
    7. if your side finally brings around NPOV what have you won? Victory over cretinous dishonesty.
    8. We know that neither of you are oblivious to Trumps unpopularity with some in his party so I can only take his persistence in pushing it as an argument of intellectual dishonesty and you both projecting it to my ignorance after stating the fallacious nature of the point to be trolling this discussion. You must have a lot of free time on your hands to want to fill these pages with such unconstructive actions.
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    • El_C, I don’t know if you’re American so perhaps you’re unaware that it’s a national holiday in the U.S. It seems fair to give Batvette until tomorrow (Tuesday) to respond. R2 (bleep) 00:32, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
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    Statement by Batvette

    I just saw this action so I will make my statement. Literally dozens of editors have made comments on the talk page in the last 2 months complaining of its NPOV nature. They have provided sound arguments with RS. A small handful of editors including the one filing the complaint have stonewalled opposing views. Complaintant stated falsely "a couple of editors" disagreed with consensus when I counted 28. ± Note that virtually all of the quotes he has provided, as colorful and admittedly heated as they are, are critical of other users COMMENTS and/or the tactics employed. Wiki policy is clear that youre supposed to comment about content, and users comments are content on a talk page. I apologize for perhaps being too wordy and posting some long rants, but do not mistake my criticism of other users arguments and tactics as attacks on their person. As for battleground that might be true if it were just myself arguing against their alleged consensus, however a review of that discussion does show 28 individual editors, the bulk of whom are experienced, having a problem with that page. Whatever the outcome of this its a point well taken and my comments probably should be shorter and less emotional. They would never have gotten that way had several editors been more open to compromise. Please see my history, Ive been here 13 years with no past disciplinary action. Perhaps this suggests the problem on that page isnt all me. Thank you. Batvette (talk) 16:34, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

    Statement by Objective3000

    R2 provides a sampling of the barrage of incivility. But, it’s not just the number of edits exhibiting battleground behavior, it’s the percentage. If you look through Batvette’s contributions, you’ll see that most of the edits include divisive, belittling, accusatory language aimed at other editors. And as one would expect, none of this has resulted in any consensus. I’m also bothered by their insistence on pushing the debunked claim that thousands of Muslims celebrated on NJ rooftops after the WTC collapsed on 9/11. O3000 (talk) 11:26, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

    O3000 I have by intent limited criticism not toward your person as you allege but to what you posted in the discussion. Furthermore the issue about Muslims cheering on rooftops was NOT debunked, and a link was provided to you. Here is another. https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/video-references-sept-11-celebrations-jersey-city-n-article-1.2452481?outputType=amp which leaves us with the semantics debate of "swarms" vs. "thousands". Its irrelevant on this page anyway, why would you bring this here?Batvette (talk) 16:43, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

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    Result concerning Batvette

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    • I'll give them a few more hours, but that's likely an empty gesture and, unless there's any objections, am otherwise ready to close with an indefinite AP topic ban. El_C 00:27, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
    • I've looked at the user's talkpage contributions at Spygate. the signal to noise ratio is pretty low with a high volume of unnhelpful and uncollaborative comments. I would support a topic ban. If I were placing it myself I'd do 3 months as kind of a "warning shot" since it's a newer user with few edits. ~Awilley (talk) 13:44, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
    • I would suggest an indefinite AP2 topic ban: anyone who posts this is unlikely to ever be productive in the topic area and a time limited TBAN will only kick the can down the road. Also noting that I've given them the 9/11 DS alert on the off chance they go on to create disruption in that area. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:39, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
    • I agree with the indefinite topic ban. Sandstein 17:39, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

    User:Snooganssnoogans

    Not actionable. Sandstein 17:37, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
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    Request concerning User:Snooganssnoogans

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    SunCrow (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:02, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
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    The article Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is currently subject to discretionary sanctions authorized by active arbitration remedies (see WP:ARBAPDS). An administrator has applied the following restrictions to this article: Limit of one revert in 24 hours: This article is under WP:1RR (one revert per editor per article per 24-hour period); see https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Alexandria_Ocasio-Cortez.
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    1. 05-27-2019 Partial revert of edit dated 05-27-2019; see .
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    3. 05-27-2019 Partial revert of edit dated 05-27-2019; see . The three partial reverts violate the 1RR rule.
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    User:Snooganssnoogans is an experienced editor who frequently edits on pages relating to American politics. has also been involved in several arbitration matters (see https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?search=snooganssnoogans&prefix=Misplaced Pages%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FEnforcement&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%7D&ns0=1).

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    Statement by User:Snooganssnoogans

    • This is a continuous series of edits (i.e. not a violation of 1RR). I could have done them in one large edit, but opted to do them in three uninterrupted edits to show clearly what I was removing and for what reasons (and also leave in recently added content that I didn't have a problem with). Snooganssnoogans (talk) 16:16, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

    Statement by User:MelanieN

    Snoogans is correct; there was no violation here. According to WP:EW, A series of consecutive saved revert edits by one user with no intervening edits by another user counts as one revert. It is understandable that the reporting party here did not realize that, since the 1RR statement posted at the article does not make it clear. IMO the wording of that statement should be clarified to "one edit or series of edits", or perhaps "one edit or uninterrupted series of edits".

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    • Consecutive reverts count as one revert. The three partial reverts are consecutive and don't violate 1RR. ~Awilley (talk) 16:21, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
      • @MelanieN: I don't think it's the job of a discretionary sanctions template to explain the definition of a revert. The "consecutive edits" thing applies to all reverts everywhere, including 3RR. Putting it in 1RR templates could educate some people, yes, but it would also be WP:CREEP-y and potentially misleading (some people might start thinking it's a special case when they see it in some 1RR templates but not others). ~Awilley (talk) 17:31, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
    • Closing as not actionable per comments above. Sandstein 17:37, 27 May 2019 (UTC)