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Indef. block for NorbertArthur

In early October, NorbertArthur (talk · contribs) was blocked by Alex Bakharev for personal attacks (after coming off a one-month block by Mets501 for this comment). I unblocked him later that month because he assured me that he would not make any more. Since then, Arthur has made comments such as, pizdaFATHERFUCKER Named: KHOIKHOI whithout testicles now he becamed a fucked admin after liking everybody's ass wants to intruce his shit of russians policies here. my words: FUCK RUSSIA AND UK, TO FUCKED COUNTRIES THAT SUCK OUR DICK. Fuck your mother all here. Bogdangiusca had to warn him to stop, or else he would get "get banned and this time for good". About a week later, Arthur made the following comment in an edit summary: i told you all mtf provide a source for your fuckin 21.5 mil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When I unblocked him last month, he promised me here that I can re-block him if he makes other personal attacks...but how many more blocks should he be given? I say, one more, and hereby propose that NorbertArthur be blocked indefinitely. Comments welcome. Khoikhoi 20:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm no admin, but repeated posts like that, after multiple warnings and blocks, certainly seems to warrant an indef block. This one either doesn't understand our framework, or is simply uninterested in working within it. --Doc Tropics 20:59, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd support an indef block in this case. ++Lar: t/c 21:04, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

After the last offense I reblocked him for 6 months. If this is an age problem; let us see in 6 months whether he grows up. Only this time without parole. `'mikkanarxi 21:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I think he's unlikely to grow up at 23 years old. Two years older than me. Grandmasterka 22:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

(Personal attack removed) Standard 24 hour blocks, one for each set of personal attacks from now onwards should be more than sufficient to get the message across (unless there is an actual problem, e.g. vandalism). Also, if you do permanently block him, don't forget to delete his userpage; it contains personal information.--Euthymios 22:55, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Right. Well, I think a one-month block is more than enough of a message, and I consider personal attacks to be an "actual" problem. Besides the fact that Khoikhoi was the one who unblocked him. Grandmasterka 23:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Play nice or play elsewhere. Guy (Help!) 23:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks like that aren't even subtle; he even promised he could be banned for such behavior. Khoi, you say one more attack gets ban, I say negative one more attacks gets a ban. This kind of personal attack is not OK, and clearly a 24 hour block does nothing. Give him 6 months or indef. -Patstuart 23:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I hardly see the point in any more chances, and aside from the personal attacks, his editing itself has always been problematic at best; a permanent block seems the only reasonable action at this point. Jayjg 23:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Indefinitely block now. And caution User:Euthymios that inappropriate comments like that will lead to a block of his own. — Knowledge Seeker দ 01:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow, Khoikhoi, he never bothered using English to curse me out. Believe it or not, he's said even nastier things in Romanian than the example cited here. Concur with indefinite block. - Jmabel | Talk 08:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, but I would like to add my comment: NorbertArthur has for sure been asking for it, and he has been repeatedly engaging in inexcusable behaviour - the worst part of it was in Romanian. I was the target of such an outburst after I had asked him (for a second time) to write family name first in category brackets for articles on people (where he kept intervening). Judging by other users' talk pages, I see that he has done most of his trolling in Romanian.

Let me add that there is not a single piece of writing which could be cited as valuable from this user. In fact, all he has done was to create forks, use personal guesses to replace data, and create a problem in many articles by confusing and confounding Romanian people who live abroad with Romanian-born citizens of other countries and with Romanian ethnics who have lived their entire lives in foreign countries. Refusing to pay attention to guidelines, he has also uploaded copyrighted material - knowing full well that it was not public domain (this IMO, equates vandalism). As far as wikipedia is concerned, he is merely a habitual troll. Dahn 20:32, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Just looking through the edit summaries of his 30 or so contribs this month I find

1. Joffrey Lupul is Romanian at 100%, you stupid!
2. MOLDOVAN NATION DOESN'T EXIST STUPIDS!!
3. i told you all mtf provide a source for your fuckin 21.5 mil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jmabel | Talk 07:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

And more, he's already evading his block: Khoikhoi 00:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

UPDATE:

1. what a fuck is your problem mtf KHOIKHOI TO REVERT MY EDITS????? SUCK MY DICK
2. YOU JUST SUCK MY DICK MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!

Ba da ba ba ba... Khoikhoi 04:40, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Can't you just feel the love? I think he's got a crush on you : ) Doc Tropics 04:45, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I think than and indef block would be in order though... -- Grafikm 14:09, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I can definately feel the love, see his latest comment:

I came here and I say the following things: you are all a gang of hipocritic racists against the Romanian nation. I tried now for almost an year to do something, but with people like you there's no way back to recuperate. I'm not sorry at all for what i wrote and I'll be never! This wikipedia is for me just a shithole on Internet and I will tell you why, because its based on lyings and on point of view from other people (ex. Mikkalai, Khoikhoi). I not a accusing you user DC76 at all and I respect you of what you did. I know me too to use a polite language for people that I respect and for people that I don't respect like 95% of the wikipedia i usa that language. The respect is deserved. And for my future I will continue to edit wikipedia for one purpose: to destroy it. Nobody here knows that beyond my username NorbertArthur I'm the "owner" of an another 15 usernames that I edit on and no one of you will can fin out that 'cause its very good hidden. I'm not sorry for what I'm doing and you don't have the right to judge me ok? I proposed not one, not ten but hundred ideas, I think even more then 70 sources that where prooving what I was sustaining, you ignored all. to arrive a common point but I realized that you people are too low-minded to understand and that there's no purpose anymore to help just to destroy. The stupid admins like Khoikhoi they juste see the things against me, they don't see what me I endured from all you others by insulting my country and my people. But, there's always a way of neutral point. If everybody here will try at least to be one time in their life to be sincere and to listen to the other and not being racists, I promise and personally engage to stop all this and colaborate in good aim. But that will not happen I'm sure. I think I said all I had to say and explain.
Arthur 24 November 2006

I think this is more than enough evidence for an indef. block. Khoikhoi 22:01, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

A guy evading block with proxies and confessing to have socks? Indef and checkuser please. <_< -- Grafikm 22:02, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

They're not proxies, he just has a dynamic IP. BTW, I just blocked one of his socks a few minutes ago, although it wasn't active. Khoikhoi 22:04, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi everybody, I would like to point out that User:NorbertArthur's remarks coppied above were in response to my post here. User:Khoikhoi has pointed to me this response of his above, and here is our discussion.

I do not know NorbertArthur, because I am relatively new on Misplaced Pages. But I noticed his first rude remark he made a couple days ago in the subject line of the article Romanians, resulting in that article being blocked. Prior to the incident I also edited a little that article; there was a dispute, some people agreed to come to some middle solution, but several others continued their prefered warring, and everything we suggested was immediately reverted. For example, me and Khoikhoi supported diferent POV, but somehow we were able to talk and find common ground. If it were just we two, this article would have been long settled. I guess the simple fact that some users supporting differnt POV try to talk to each other is perceived by some as "treason", and even in majority by number, we are being dismissed. Despite the fact that there are 10+ editors in that article, the edit war was basically between three users: NorbertArthur against tow others. The propositions from both sides were going to the extreme from edit to edit until NorbertArthur perhaps did not resist, and started his famous now remarks. You know the rest of the story. Just as the extreme edits by the three users before, NorbertArthur's remarks after the block increased exponencially in rudeness from response to response. In an interval of less than 3 day to go to such lengths, wow! I agree with Doc Tropics's comment above, he had a very-very passionate crash. :-)

I don't know wikipedia policies well, I am new here, so I don't "recommend" anything to the person who'll be taking the decision. You know better.:Dc76 00:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Since no one seemed to object to the idea of a ban, I've extended it to indefinite. Khoikhoi 02:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I think you should throw in a checkuser as well... -- Grafikm 14:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Threeafterthree

User:Threeafterthree has, for many months, been attempting to remove any designation on biographical articles of individuals as "Jewish", particularly famous and respected people like Albert Einstein, though he apparently has no issue with it if the person happens to be Harold Shipman, the U.K.'s worst mass-murderer. In addition, he has been insisting on removing "Antisemitic" categories from various individuals considered antisemites, but insisting on adding the "Racism" category to various Jews and Jewish groups, and insisting that people like Leo Frank were not "innocent", but merely "convicted on circumcstantial evidence". All in all, it adds up to something quite ugly. If that weren't bad enough, he's been edit warring as an IP editor, for which he has been blocked 3 times in the past week and evading his blocks and sockpuppeting as a third editor. I've blocked all the accounts for a month, but I'm wondering if a permanent block is more in order. Thoughts? Jayjg 23:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Jayjg, reading your comments here, I would support an indefinite block on this user. Suggesting hatred towards a religious group is just not on. I think you have done very much the right thing here. --SunStar Net 00:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Can you provide examples of suggesting hatred towards a religious group?--131.109.1.41 15:30, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Very odd. By what definition is a convicted murderer, whose conviction was never overturned, "innocent"? And I don't see any edits by this user to Harold Shipman at least as far back as 2002. -- Kendrick7 00:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Very odd response. Frank is infamous for having been falsely convicted and, in fact, being an innocent man: The Leo Frank case is considered one of the most egregious miscarriages of justice in the legal annals of Georgia... The degree of anti-Semitism involved in Frank's conviction and subsequent lynching is difficult to assess, but it was enough of a factor to have inspired Jews, and others, throughout the country to protest the conviction of an innocent man...Slaton reviewed more than 10,000 pages of documents, visited the pencil factory where the murder had taken place, and finally decided that Frank was innocent. He commuted the sentence, however, to life imprisonment, assuming that Frank's innocence would eventually be fully established and he would be set free... etc. As for Shipman, did you bother clicking on the links provided? Jayjg 02:58, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Jayjg, do you think that prior to your block Threeafterthree (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) was avoiding accruing a history of blocks through puppetry? It seems rather odd that he'd never been blocked before under his user name. (→Netscott) 03:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

My point is, Leo Frank isn't innocent in the eyes of the law. You don't seem to have picked the best edits to criticize here. -- Kendrick7 04:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

The case is a famous miscarriage of justice according to everyone who's written about it extensively, to the best of my knowledge, and so there's no reason to keep removing the category. Threeafterthree has e-mailed me to say that the two other editors are people he lives with. I assume he means User:68.9.116.87 and User:Backroomlaptop.

There are similarities in editing style, articles edited, and general interests. Lots of Jewish-related interests, and specifically removing that people are Jews, even from well-known Jews such as Steven Spielberg (Threeafterthree removed that) and Elie Weisel (Backroomlaptop's first edit was to remove from the first sentence that Wiesel is Jewish, then add to the end of the lead that he's of "Jewish decent ". ) Threeafterthree even removed "of Jews" from a quote which said that Martin Luther's work had tragic effects "on later generations of Jews." He twice removed "of Jews," saying he was correcting the quote, but the quote does say "of Jews."

Also, Threeafterthree enabled 68.9.116.87 to evade 3RR at Kahanism. The anon added Category:Racism at 21:51 Nov 16, and reverted three times; then Threeafterthree arrived to revert at 02:57 Nov 17, despite having not edited since September 1. There's also one distinctive thing that Threeafterthree and one of the others do, which I won't mention here. I'd say they're all the same person. SlimVirgin 05:31, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, there are two versions of this document on the web. The one you link to from Canada has "of Jews", the American one does not . His edit is correct for the reference at elca.org which was actually being cited in the article. -- Kendrick7 10:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

The link in the article is dead, so how do you know? SlimVirgin 19:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

The link in the article is to the elca.org domain, even though they may have moved the page. So now you are saying User:Threeafterthree has psychic powers? Or are you saying he hacked that website and removed the words from the WP:RS just to make you look foolish? -- Kendrick7 21:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, mentioning someone's religion first thing in the lead is really a matter of taste. I'd view articles starting "Antonio Banderas is a Catholic actor" or "George Bush is a Methodist politician" as fairly silly. Are you seriously complaining about this edit on Steven Spielberg? -- Kendrick7 11:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

It's not a question of "complaining" about any particular edit. The question is whether the accounts are run by one person. SlimVirgin 19:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Why block for one month? Why block backroom indefinately? This seems really excessive.--131.109.1.41 15:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

But the paragraph he removed was an unsourced tirade calling Steven Spielburg a worse anti-Semite than Mel Gibson, no? You have completely mischaracterized this as User:Threeafterthree "removing that people are Jews". When you are wrong about things that can be checked, it makes it harder to trust you on things which can not be checked. -- Kendrick7 21:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Then instead of relying on one link, why not spend a few minutes looking through his contribs? Then you'll see the similarities for yourself. And please review CIV. SlimVirgin 07:38, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

How is Kendrick being uncivil? Because he caught your mistakes and mischaracterations of this user? This case is beyong flimsy. What did this editor do to you to warrant this? --131.109.1.41 15:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

You seem to have a strange understanding of American law, Frank was murdered before all the flaws in his case were properly analyzed. "The eyes of the law" see these flaws even more so.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 05:18, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't the cabal, and its usuall members who have shown up here together, again, have anything better to do than to witch hunt and block editors? Seriously guys, and gal, you are so transparent!--198.176.188.201 12:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

And you are an insulting troll. Thank you for your for insults, please go back to ED or Wikitruth or whatever hell you come from. An infuriated Elaragirl 16:20, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

A one month block is a very long block. I do not support this block and think it should be withdrawn. If an editor poses an immediate threat of disruption, then you should block for a few hours or a day at most, during which time you should come to ANI to gauge consensus. Otherwise, you should do a discussion or warning on the user's talk page. In this case, I see no immediate threat, nor any attempts on Jayjg's part to warn or discuss and consequently feel that the block should be recalled. I make no judgment on whether the blocked user exhibited any anti-Semitic edits, only on Jayjg's implementation of policy, which I find flawed and unfair to the accused. -lethe 21:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Will314159 Legal threats

Having recently come back from a 10 day block for "violations of WP:AGF, WP:CIVIL, and WP:NPA." and for recuting "...meatpuppet editors off-site", User:Will314159 has now issued not-so-thinly-veiled legal threats against User:Isarig here, here, and here. Armon 12:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

(Isarig had been blocked on 13 Nov for "Personal attacks on Juan Cole" -all the threats have been after that, 14 November 2006, 21 November 2006, and 22 November, respectively) Armon 13:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Will didnt make legal threat. All what he did was warning isarig not to WP:LIBEL. I think Isarig should be blocked instead because he libelled Juan cole here http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Juan_Cole&diff=87446122&oldid=87402322 Peace. --Nielswik_(talk) 15:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Isarig's opinion is unlikely to be enforceable as libel in the US -especially as he would be able to point to published charges of antisemitism/antisemitic comments made by others against Cole. This does not mean that Will, as a lawyer, could not make life difficult for him via a frivolous lawsuit. Isarig has been blocked for violating NPA, however, that was apparently not enough for Will, and his legal threats amount to harassment of his "opponent". Will should be blocked, ideally permanently, as he's shown no acceptance of WP's mission, culture, or processes -or any progress towards it. Note the accusation below that I am Isarig's sock or "meatpuppet" because I find his behavior unacceptable. << armon >> 02:53, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages should avoid libel whether or not it is technically actionable - armon's claim that a libel claim may not be enforceable in one particular country is hardly a reason for Misplaced Pages to endorse libelous statements. In addition, the U.S. Supreme Court has clearly held that opinions can be actionable as libel -- the case Milkovich v. Lorain Journal Co. held that opinions can be libelous insofar as such opinions "may often imply an assertion of objective fact." (In this particular case, the "opinion" certainly does imply such an assertion and would be actionable if someone chose to pursue it). I find armon's insistence that Will be blocked permanently to be distasteful, as he appears to be trying to use Misplaced Pages policy to remove an ideological opponent. Will's statements that Isarig should avoid libel do not appear to me to be threats or personal attacks. csloat 03:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

csloat accuses me of using policy to silence my ideological opponent. I have no problem with "ideological opponents", I do however, object to the non-stop page disruptions since May 06 which both csloat and Will have engaged in. csloat is rightly worried that Will being banned will further isolate himself on Juan Cole, because without him, csloat will be the only intransigent party, regardless of "ideology". Further to the charge, if I really wanted my "ideological opponents silenced", I would do better to "go after" those who present a real challenge, not those who troll and produce low-quality, POV edits which have no real chance of remaining. << armon >> 06:18, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know of any page disruptions that I have been engaged in since May 06 (or any other time). I've been a very constructive Misplaced Pages editor for a couple years now. Will's participation is not my concern, but I do object to demands for permanent blocks against users who may be misguided but who clearly want to improve wikipedia. csloat 07:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

That he wants to improve WP is problematic in itself. His improvements entail scrapping NPOV. << armon >> 11:02, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

• My computer has been out for a while because of a worm. I have previously warned Isaig of a gross violation of civility and libel. I have had no respone from him or others on this matter other than this preemptive action from Isarig's sockpuppet. there are some other complaints I need to make against other persons for gross incivility. if this is the proper place to make it then here goes. It is the grosses violation, and entirely uncalled for. Because it is in the edit line, it's permanent and can't be erased. It's for keeps. He's constantly noticing people and wikilawyering. i think Armon is his meatsockpuppet.

WP:CIV for calling Cole a "jewbaiter" in an edit log.

• • (cur) (last) 01:21, 13 November 2006 Isarig (Talk | contribs) (Cole is a jewbaiter, so his jewbaiting quotes are in. thsi was moved to v&C, but you've deleted V&C, so it's back here) Unless somebody else has already done it. Godspeed John Glenn! Will 17:16, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

• Some claims are so laughable they need no response, but i got suspended for another laughable claim for which i never had an opportunity to respond. So I better respond to this one. I deny I made a legal threat to Isarig. I advised him that he had subjected the Misplaced Pages foundation to libel with his namecalling and he needed to stop it. And I also said that if others didn't report him that I would. I put it on my talk page because he has a habit of deleting warnings on his talk page. I put it on the Cole talk page to get feedback to see if somebody had already noticed it because I had no feedback from Isarig about it and I didn't know how to notice it. And I will tell Professor Cole about this because he is a friend of mine and it's funnier than hell that Isarig would get so vulgar. Here is somebody that is wikilawering and turning people in all the time for the slighted imagined rule violations and going aroung libeling people in the grossest way. He can't be allowed to get away with this. Maybe he's already been punished for it, I don't know. Please advise. I have had no feedback. And as for Armon, to each his own. Godspeed John Glenn! Will 18:18, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The comment about how you would "inform" Cole about the matter together with the other comments seems like a legal threat. Please stop. JoshuaZ 21:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Will asserts that he is a lawyer- see here, therefore the phrase: I will advise Professor Cole if the Misplaced Pages community fails to discipline you. suggests a more credible legal threat than simply telling on him. << armon >> 01:34, 23 November 2006 (UTC) I suggest a block. << armon >> 01:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Will may be a lawyer, but it is a stretch to claim that "advise" is being used in such a legal sense in that sentence. It is doubtful that Will is Cole's lawyer and it is unlikely that Cole would accept Will's counsel under the circumstances. But I believe the problem here is not Will -- if Misplaced Pages is sued because of a statement that Isarig published, it is Isarig and not Will who is at fault, whether or not Will is the lawyer who initiates such a lawsuit. csloat 03:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

If was pretty obvious what was being implied. How else would a person (Juan Cole) who has no professional or personal contacts with another person (Isarig) do anything to negatively affect the second person other than through a legal matter. I really don't see how Will can deny what was clearly being insinuated.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 05:20, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

The word "advised" is very common and is often used in non-legal settings. As a university professor, for example, I often "advise" students. In another example, I often "advise" friends (or seek "advice" from same) on personal matters. I believe this may help clear it up. I have no way of knowing whether it was Will's intent to use the term in a particular way, but I assure you that it is even possible for lawyers to use the term "advise" in a non-technical sense. Will may have simply meant that he intended to send Dr. Cole an email. That doesn't necessarily excuse the action, but it does make it a lot less sinister than is being implied here. I would add, again, that the legal problem, if there is one, lies with the party posting illegal content, and not the party who takes action (or who informs someone) of said content. After all, we don't need a legal adviser to expose something that has already been posted to a public website.csloat 07:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, then Will's threats were utterly unnecessary other than for trolling and/or harassment. As for the "ultimate meaning" of "advise" or "inform", we might as well argue about what the meaning of "is" is, rather than putting it in the context of Will's posting of WP talk page debates on Cole's blog to solicit POV warriors, his "ends justify the means" approach to editing here, and his complete lack of regard for any policy other than WP:IAR. His "deniablity" is far too implausible. << armon >> 11:02, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I have been contacted to step in, as the blocking admin, but I am home with my family for Thanksgiving, and will have no time to step into this dispute today. I am sorry. RyanGerbil10(Упражнение В!) 19:33, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

These are clearly legal threats, regardless of the apologetics, and should not be tolerated. Jayjg 22:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. As such, I have blocked the user for 45 days, considereing that legal threats are a fairly dramatic step up in poor user behavior and will not be tolerated. As always, I appreciate admin review of my block, and will abide by any changes the community suggests. RyanGerbil10(Упражнение В!) 22:36, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm a newby and there's a lot I don't understand. But I don't think legal threats have been made. In my neck of the woods one might "advise" someone of something, and you'd only be telling them it happened. You'd not be suggesting they sue, nor would you be "advising" them of how to go about sueing someone.

What is much, much more worrying is that Isarig is apparently free to post "(Cole is a jewbaiter, so his jewbaiting quotes are in. thsi was moved to v&C, but you've deleted V&C, so it's back here)" . This would be a deeply unpleasant slur even if it was genuine - and to accuse supporters of Israel of potential "dual loyalty" is not (on the face of it) jew-baiting.

I trust Isarig doesn't mind others referencing the fact that particular people are Jewish - oh, look, he takes considerable objection "what relevance does the alleged Jewishness of the lead prosecutor have to do with the article? Other than to push the POV that it is religiously motivated, that is?Isarig 06:46, 10 November 2006 (UTC)".

PalestineRemembered 19:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Ring modulator (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

The previous ANI discussion regarding activity by this editor under his previous username is here. He has also been blocked under this user name for incivility. Yesterday he issued this warning to a new user for making and reversing their own test edit. He then contacted User:HighInBC, whom he thought was an admin, and asked for the new user to be blocked. HighInBC correctly responded that a block would be inappropriate given the nature of the test edit, and instructed Ring modulator that use of the blatant vandal warning was inappropriate in this circumstance. Hoping to not scare off the new user, HighInBC removed Ring modulator's warning, replaced it with a welcome message on the new user's talk page, and told the new user the message was placed in error. Today, Ring modulator placed this message on the new user's page, even though the new user had made no further edits. This seems to be harrassment in my view. The message was properly removed by User:Dina. Dina contacted Ring modulator, told him she removed the message and why. Ring modulator responded to Dina with this uncivil edit. Ring modulator has continued to use the blatant vandal warning inappropriately here. I feel Ring modulator should be blocked again for incivility and biting new users. Accurizer 12:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

On a related note, I've indefinitely blocked Blindnimratt (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) for this edit (their first and only one) to Ring modulator's talk page. This is obviously someone's sock, but can anyone identify whose? —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 16:49, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Normal Bob Smith (2nd nomination)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Normal Bob Smith (2nd nomination) needs input from unbiased non-SPAs. —Quarl 2006-11-22 19:56Z

violations of WP:RS, WP:NPOV and WP:Assume good faith by User:Beit Or, User:Humus_sapiens and User:Jayjg,

Moved to User_talk:Aminz#Moved_from_WP:ANI

I want to unblock User:E104421 and User:Karcha

Hi, guys.

User:E104421 and User:Karcha were recently blocked as sockpuppets of each other since the checkuser investigation have shown they both use IPs from the same University. Later User:Future Perfect at Sunrise found some evidence suggesting that they might be different people and unblocked them, then DMC found the evidences to be unconvincing and reblock them again. Now I had an E-mail exchange with both users. I know their real names and University IDs as well as the official University E-mail addresses. They appear to be separate people and the victims of a terrible coincidence and claim they even did not know each other before the incident. They work on different departments and have different status within their University. There is a small probability that one is a meatpuppet of the other, but it seems to be unlikely.

As I understand from DMC's messages on my talk page the checkuser only confirms that they both are using the same University IPs, there is no other hidden indication they are the same people not available to all Wikipedians, so it is essentially a judgement call.

I think in this case we could assume WP:AGF and believe the editors, rather than lose two notable editors. I there will be no objections I will unblock E and K in a couple of hours. Alex Bakharev 00:26, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Lacking any tools to verify it myself, your explanation sounds quite reasonable, as does your unblock. --Doc Tropics 00:30, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I have unblocked the guys Alex Bakharev 04:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Ummmm, there was somewhat of a consensus to have Karcha remain blocked here. This user is extremely disruptive, with 90% of his edits being reverts, and the rest being personal attacks like "Kill Persianism". I don't see what good to the project we'd be doing if we unblocked him. As I said previously, I have no problem with E104421 being unblocked, however. Khoikhoi 07:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

To Khoikhoi: Khoikhoi, i want you to prove my "kill persianism" claim. Where did i say this. You are manipulating persons. I didn't say "kill persianizm".--Karcha 10:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

If you prove this i will go out from wiki but if you can't prove this we have to think about your neutrality as an admin.--Karcha 10:12, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Karcha, don't be pushing your luck. It was "Kill Paniranism", and it was in several edit summaries on 15 November. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:19, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it was kill paniranism and if i say persianism this consists of racism. I'm not a racist. However paniranism is different, this is a political manner.--Karcha 10:25, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

No strong opinion on Karcha on my side, but I'll second Alex' opinion that E should be rehabilitated. Like Alex, I've been in contact with both users and found what I consider pretty strong evidence that they are different individuals (in addition to what I posted earlier). If there's consensus for a community ban on Karcha, let's get this clarified here - although my impression is his disruptiveness so far has not been quite up to the level where community bans have been handed out in other cases. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello everybody. As I said before, I have nothing against the unblocking of E104421, as in case of doubts, as Alex noted, we should assume good faith. As for Karcha, I can only reiterate my belief that he should be blocked; and please, spare us sophisms like "oh, I didn't say kill iranism; I said kill paniranism: it's different". Was also calling Khorshid "Khorshit" a "political" position?. What I see, is a constant pattern of disruption.--Aldux 15:12, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I have reblocked Karcha, as I was under the impression that there was somewhat of a consensus to not unblock him/her in the first place. If we want to unblock him, there should be some support here to do so. Khoikhoi 18:49, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

• Firstly, I am not sure that I can post my oppinion here or not. If not. Please cancel it totally.
• Why am I here; I was a kind of mediator.I contacted with these two users by mail and by phone later.I tranferred mails to some admins which they are take place in this discussion. I know the details, and something disturbed me in this matter.

1. The major reason to block these users was allegation of puppetry. E104421 blocked temporarly for puppetry, Karcha blocked indefinitely for puppetry plus some distruptive behaviours.
2. Now, allegation of puppetry is failed.
   1. E104421; no crime-no penalty, Unblocked. Ok.
   2. Karcha; no pupetry crime, there is distruptive edits.
      1. Karcha, now indefinitely blocked;Reason: distruptive edits.
3. Lets take a balance; lets put this crime one side and punishment to other side. If there is a balance, everything is ok.If not then no punishment/or another punishment is suitable.You can see also other users'(like as Korshid) distruptive edits/bad words.

• I posted a message to Karcha some hours ago, to keepaway from edit-rv war.
• also I posted a message to Khoikhoi to invite showing good faith.
• Thanks a lot for your tolerance to my intervene. Regards to all.Must 19:36, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I am second to Mustafa that it is kind of illogical to clear an account from the sockpuppeting allegations and permablock another one for been a sockpuppet. I am not a great fun of Karcha as an editor but since he is blocked for been a sock and the base of the allegations appear to be doubtful we should not probably reblock him. Maybe we could put him on Community Probation per Misplaced Pages:Community sanction? So any admin who would find him disruptive could permablock him? The situation starts to look like as a Wheel War so I would not repeat my administrative actions, but I would be great if an uninvolved admin could review the situation. Alex Bakharev 11:50, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Disclaimer: I am not an admin. However, Must left a note asking me to review this, so I have. There is no question that Karcha has been disuptive in the past and made inappropriate comments and edit summaries. Also, Karcha has a definite tendency to edit with a nationalistic POV. However, there is a certain inconsistency to how these cases are being handled, and an indef block seems excessive. I agree that Community Probation would be a useful tactic. This would allow Karcha an opportunity to demonstrate some good-faith editing, while ensuring that he is closely watched. Further, I think some kind of Mentoring would be useful, preferably from an editor or admin who is familiar with the topics in question, and has some familiarity with the culture; I have a strong impression that much of this comes down to "cultural differences" and an incomplete understanding of how to "play well with others". I would request that the admins involved consider and discuss the possibilty that a combination of Probation and Mentoring would help Karcha become a more productive editor, thereby benefitting both the individual, and the project. --Doc Tropics 18:41, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Just to add my two cents in as an editor who has been following this from the get-go. All I want to say is that we should try to be more lenient with relatively new users. Look, we have all joined Wiki at one point and were newbies at some stage. There was a point when we didn't know how Wiki and its rules worked. And let's not forget that Internet is international, when a university student from one corner of the world joins wiki, it might take some for him to adjust and learn to work efficiently in a completely international and free environment. A indef block right off the bat seems too excessive is all I am trying to say, I think he has gone through enough to understand that certain disruptive editing patterns will not be tolerated in the long run. I have run across other newbie editors who were engaging in certain disruptive editing (some of them that also seemed nationalistic) and I have always tried to tell them that they should concentrate on learning how Wiki works with an emphasis on a watch-and-learn attitude. In the end they always come around :)) I will also try to keep in contact with K about this and try to answer any questions he might have. A lame attempt at humor/insult by trying to make a pun out of a user's name from Khorshid to Khorshit shouldn't be the basis of an indef. I mean, nobody is Jesus, everyone looses their tempers at one point, let's ask him to apologize to that user. Just give the guy another chance, if he goes back to disruptive editing patterns, it can be dealt with accordingly. Even California has a three strikes rule, not one-strike rule. :))) Cheers! Baristarim 11:07, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Bad faith behavior by Shamir1 and Amoruso (continued)

New discussion: The following discussion of a few days ago was archived too early. Emboldened by the failure to get any action over his blatant dishonesty, Shamir1 has now repeated the same stunt with help of his side-kick Amoruso. To summarise: Amoruso and Shamir1 are completely aware that there is a major unresolved dispute over the article but each of them individually asked for unprotection on the false claim that it was resolved. Edits and . As soon as someone unprotected the article, Shamir1 did a massive revert to his preferred version , vastly more than the minor point he had conceded on the talk page. Of course he hopes that next time it will be protected the way he likes. Is this sort of abuse of the system allowed?

I ask again that action be taken to stop this behavior. The Arbitration Committee shouldn't need to be called on in such an obvious case. --Zero 02:53, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Previous discussion:

Palestinian Exodus is the scene of a long-running content dispute (but that's not what this complaint is about). Admin User:Steel359 protected the article on Nov 12 for this reason. However, User:Shamir1, one of the main warring parties, was unhappy about which version was protected so on Nov 18 he claimed on Misplaced Pages:Requests for page protection that the dispute was over. Since the argument was continuing ferociously on the Talk page, with Shamir1 involved, this claim was a deliberate lie in order to trick someone into unprotecting the article. And in fact Steel359 unprotected the article in good faith, only to be forced to protect it again soon afterwards. I respectfully request action against Shamir1 for this dishonest behavior. --Zero 05:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Looking at the history, User:Shamir1 has not edited the article since November 11. Do you have the wrong user there? -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 05:56, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

The article had been protected since Nov 12 except for the brief unprotection on Nov 18 that I mentioned, that's why he didn't edit it. Look on the talk page to see his continued involvement in the dispute (8 edits since Nov 12). --Zero

I think what Zero is saying is that he had the intent of doing so, and ought to have action taken against him. An attempted crime is almost as bad as a crime itself. -Patstuart 07:36, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

"deliberate lie in order to trick someone into unprotecting the article" is a crime. Peace. --Nielswik_(talk) 07:55, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Note:User:Isarig did similar thing to Neo-Fascism. he requested unprotection, deleted the section in dispute, and then had his version protected. Peace. --Nielswik_(talk) 08:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

About Shamir1, if you look at his contribs he requested unprotection several times this week. He kept coming back each time after unprotection was declined , and yesterday (his third or fourth request) I decided to AGF and unprotect. It was promptly reprotected when the edit warring started again. I can't say I was surprised. -- Steel 12:42, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I say they should both at least get a severe tongue-lashing, and, if it checks out on Isarig, the version should be reverted. If it happens again, they should be temp-blocked for disruption. I would do so myself, but I'm not an admin. Patstuart 19:21, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

If anybody acted in bad faith it was User:Zero0000 himself. Note that this is not a content dispute per se - it's simply Zero0000 deleting mass sourced material. Amoruso 21:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

We're not debating here the legitimacy of the changes, we're debating the fact that this user seems to have made a bad-faith request to get the page unprotected, so that he could get his own version back before it was reprotected. Regardless of the legitmacy of the claims, that's breaking faith if it was true. Patstuart 22:04, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Zero is being delusional. I asked for page un-protection because the debate over Habib Issa (you can see it was the only debated issue) was settled with me and Shamir accepting not to argue over it anymore. We were actually willing to not add a sourced WP:RS WP:V WP:CITE material in order to end the edit war - and we didn't add it ! And now he complains ? Zero is obviously abusing the system by filing bogus reports. We all have a right to ask for page unprotection whenever we feel it's right. Amoruso 06:49, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

This has happened on other articles too, Amoruso ran out the number of reverts he could make on the Third holiest site in Islam, and he got Humus sapiens to revert it to the version he edited a long time ago, which had an old AfD message even. IMHO Admins shouldnt indulge in this behavior. And further goes to show the nature of WP:OWN by Amoruso.First, there was this revert -> and then This message on Humus sapiens talk page by Amoruso after which followed this very disruptive revert thestick 10:04, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Humus Sapiens tried to fix your vandalism Thestick. It's allowed of course and it's unrelated. Amoruso 22:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

MY Vandalism? Also, most of content that he restored has been deleted with total consensus. If he wanted to restore the deleted content, he could have reverted it to a recent edit instead of going back all the way to YOUR last edit. Admins shouldn't act like puppets. thestick 06:14, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Ashibaka unblocking without discussion

Ashibaka had unblocked User:Myrtone86 against consensus developed on this page and without so much as trying to discuss this with me, the blocking admin. I clearly stated the block was to prevent further disruptive edits yet he is claiming it was "punative". This is not the first time he has done this and seems to be protecting the user. The user was clearly editing disruptively and has been warned in the past. I really have a problem with Ashibaka's actions here and total lack of even trying to discuss it. pschemp | talk 04:37, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is applicable here but the top of the page says, quote:

This is not the Misplaced Pages complaints department. If you came here to complain about the actions of a user or administrator, or if your problem is a content issue and does not need the attention of people with administrator access, then please follow the steps in dispute resolution. These include: mediation, requests for comment, and as a last resort requests for arbitration.

Cheers, Yuser31415 04:47, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

It isn't, the block was a result of a discussion on this page and this is a continuation of a discussion already on the page if you read carefully. This is where we discuss behaviour *between* admins. It does need the attention of other admins, since only they can stop admin actions. Mediation is not needed for people who wheel war. pschemp | talk 04:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I see now. Sorry for bothering you ;) Yuser31415 05:07, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

• Agree, Ashibaka should know better. Not appropriate. – Chacor 05:37, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

• • Notice Myrtone86's block log, where Ashibaka continually saves him from preventative blocks that were the result of his actions. My good faith has run out for Myrtone and we don't need more enablers around here. Grandmasterka 05:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
• Agree, while it's possible Ashkiba was unaware of the discussion here, there was a clear consensus to block. I therefore support pschemp's reblock as well. Doc Tropics 06:02, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, hey look, I'm famous.

Ashibaka had unblocked User:Myrtone86 against consensus developed on this page and without so much as trying to discuss this with me, the blocking admin.

And you first complained about this user on ANI, then complained about me on ANI, without so much as telling the user (in the first place) or me (in the second place) about it. If you're going to report an incident here, how about you tell the people involved that they've caused an incident?! Maybe you wouldn't have even had to block Myrtone if you had simply told her about this page!

I clearly stated the block was to prevent further disruptive edits yet he is claiming it was "punative". The user was clearly editing disruptively and has been warned in the past.

I rearranged your justification, hope you don't mind. The user did this once before, like six months ago or something. I got the idea the user doesn't quite understand what the templates are for, but she's not abusing them and she was not at all likely to cause further damage.

This is not the first time he has done this and seems to be protecting the user.

The user e-mails me every time she gets blocked. I guess she found me because I'm close to the top of the list of admins. I check over her block, decide she is being a nice person making a lot of good contributions and just a few mistakes, and let her edit again. She has not once gone back to causing trouble, and frankly you are the first person to complain, not because the user was a danger to the encyclopedia, nor because I negatively impacted the project in any way by reversing your block, but apparently because I didn't respect your admin authority.

I think this user poses no danger to the project, you disagree. That's okay. You posted on my talk page telling me that I was totally and obviously wrong and you were going to reblock, and I didn't argue with you. You obviously know better than me. I yield. But you seem to have your panties all in a knot over a relatively minor disagreement. What's up with this "Don't be so flipping disrespectful to your fellow admins"? I didn't say you were doing a bad job adminning. My chain of thought was, "good user, well-intended block over a legitimate mistake, user wants to get out of jail and edit again, I'll just fix things up for everyone". I even checked and noticed I had unblocked the user a few times before, so I left a warning.

I really have a problem with Ashibaka's actions here and total lack of even trying to discuss it.

If you are so up on discussing things today how about you try discussing this with the user responsible rather than huddling around in the admins' Masonic lodge to decide what to do, then simply telling the user "bam, you're blocked, problem solved". Also, maybe you could tell me when you start a discussion about me. Maybe this would solve some problems as well. Ashibaka tock 07:49, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

• I think conflicts such as this can be avoided if an admin, whenever undoing a block made by another, notifies the blocking admin of having done this. The blocking policy also recommends that. (Radiant) 11:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
• Oh God, not again again. Now we apparently have two incorrigible editors. Endorse reblock - I would have if Pschemp hadn't - and I strongly suggest Ashibaka refrain from unblocking this particular user anymore. "The user e-mails me every time she gets blocked. I guess she found me because I'm close to the top of the list of admins" - no, it's probably because you've twice and now three times shown yourself to be a soft touch who won't bother doing the courtesy of checking with your fellow admins before you overturn their efforts to protect the encyclopaedia just because Myrtone can be polite when he/she wants. You're 43rd in the list of administrators, I doubt Myrtone has chosen you at random each time. --Sam Blanning 13:11, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I'd say this isn't really about Ashibaka per se - Myrtone is hardly the only user who effectively cannot be blocked because a sympathetic admin will overturn any such blocks by default. This perennial issue seems to stem from wikiculture. (Radiant) 14:23, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

RE: Sam Blanning-- you're right, and I've asked Myrtone to use the {{unblock}} template in the future instead of e-mailing me. Ashibaka tock 18:22, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. --Sam Blanning 18:33, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Myrtone used to mail me a fair bit as well but since I've never unblocked, has cut way back. I've never unblocked because I found the blocks to be justified, this user, good intentions or not, is disruptive and blocks seem to be the only way to get a change. Support reblock, suggest that Ashibaka should post here, email or otherwise contact the blocking admin in future before unblocking. Overturning another admin is something not to be done lightly and merits discussion. ++Lar: t/c 11:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Endorse reblock as well. Agree that unblocks such as this should be discussed -- Samir धर्म 11:20, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Lady Nemisis

User is a new account with obvious familiarity with Misplaced Pages offering article-for-hire services. I have no real problem with article-for-hire businesses in theory; HOWEVER, one of this users first major actions was the creation of an AfD discussion for Arch Coal which was the subject of a contentious scandal involving ANOTHER Article-for-Hire business, called MyWikiBiz. See the Signpost article dealing with this issue The similarities seem TOO MUCH for coincidence; an article-for-hire account that is trying to involve themselves in an article that was the main point of contention for a prior article-for-hire scandal? Not sure what to make of this, but it should be watched CLOSELY. --Jayron32 05:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

She just left what I interpret is a taunt on my talkpage. We may need to get Jimbo Wales in this unless the MyWikiBiz incident is considered a precedent and the community responds. --physicq (c) 06:03, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, the user is now blocked. --physicq (c) 06:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's one of our usual trolls (Rainbowwarrior1977, Courtney Akens, etc. etc. ) Antandrus (talk) 06:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd assume so -- who the heck would hire someone who misspelled their own handle? --jpgordon 06:13, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

LOL, What a shame, I was just working up a really good, frothy head of wrathful indignation. The response to this whole situation, including the initial comments, deletions, and block...makes me kinda proud to be a wikipedian :) --Doc Tropics 06:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Note that the taunt referred to by Physicq210 above contained the phrase "Why the long face, pussycat?", which was also used in a post yesterday by now-blocked User:Isitcozimblack of "Short Shorts and High Heels" fame above. Newyorkbrad 06:29, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

"She" left word on my talk page as well. This in-duh-vidual has obviously been here before (he said, stating the obvious). - Lucky 6.9 06:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Note: look at User Talk:Lady Nemisis. It appears that they are trying to be unblocked because they actually took cash to fix an article, and are now unable to do so. Too bad, so sad.... --Jayron32 17:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

LMAO! I still think this whole thing is TTBS (Typical Troll Bull-Shit), but either way, ya gotta laugh :) --Doc Tropics 18:46, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't end. Looks like Lady Nemisis has been unblocked, and has added the following tripe to her/his own talk page. Read the dif here: Really now, can we block this user indef once and for all??? --Jayron32 04:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

They've been indef blocked and the talk page protected from editing. Nothing else to see here, please move on. Naconkantari 04:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

What appears to be trolling of some sort

Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Mandarin_Emperor_style_dildo please look into this right away ▪◦▪≡Ѕirex98≡ 08:26, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• I've left a note on the Chinese noticeboard and asked someone to comment on the content of the Chinese sources of the article in question. - Mgm| 08:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• It is more then that, there are multiple users, in the voting, lodged fake votes, 3 user all of whom registered today and have only contribution relating to this hoax article.
• user:WeiWei11
• user:GVixen
• user:MingNei

▪◦▪≡Ѕirex98≡ 09:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I thought that non-English language sources are frowned upon in the English Misplaced Pages? Anchoress 09:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

English-language sources are preferred, but in their absence, non-English language sources are perfectly fine. Assuming, of course, that they exist and are translated correctly. --Sam Blanning 13:05, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Make that 4

• user:MangonelMan

has nothing to do with "non-English language sources" its a hoax. ▪◦▪≡Ѕirex98≡ 09:31, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Were you responding to me? Because I was responding to the note about inviting evaluation of the non-english language sources. Anchoress 09:45, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry Anchoress, that not what I meant, there is something more then just a afd going on here, i'm not exactly sure what but it's very fishy, I was hoping someone would like into what is going on here look at the history of this afd and what some of the users are doing▪◦▪≡Ѕirex98≡ 09:53, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Sirex98 is right about there being something fishy; MingNei is running quite the sockfarm trying to influence the AFD. I've blocked the underlying IP for a week (until the AFD is over) and will strike the votes from the socks, but I somehow expect this won't be the end of the socking. Essjay (Talk) 10:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

In case anyone would like to block them, the socks are as follows:

• LionelNailer‎ (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• MingNei (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• ‎WeiWei11 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• MangonelMan‎ (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• GVixen (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)‎
• Fredsavage (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

I've already blocked the IP and struck the votes, if someone feels like tagging and blocking the socks, please do. Essjay (Talk) 10:50, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

All socks are permablocked Alex Bakharev 12:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I made a mistake at interpreting what was going on as far as peoples reactions here, please see my talk page where I gave a timeline leading up my mistake understanding MacGyverMagic first reply here, my apologies to MacGyverMagic and the rest of you. ▪◦▪≡Ѕirex98≡ 12:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

It's a blatant hoax, admitted as such, it's a sock farm, and, frankly, a complete waste of everyone's time having to supervise it. It's clearly going to be deleted, and so I've closed the AFD, speedied the 'article', and protected it from recreation. If anyone objects, I've no problem with you reverting this (though I can't see why you would). Proto::type 12:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

sockpuppet reposting

First see AFD here: three articles were deleted at AfD: Advanced commando combat system is now up as a repost. I have tagged the article for speedy deletion and have warned the perpetrator User:Teacherteacher on their talk page. However, it IS a sockpuppet creation of a deleted article. Does this warrant a block for teacherteacher? Note: Teachteacher also spammed his link on CQB and Martial arts, which was how I found it, as I monitor CQB (note: awe and the AfD was one of my first too...look how noobish I was!) ⇒ SWATJester Aim _Fire! 08:55, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• I wouldn't block someone for a single repost. More than one and it becomes a problem. - Mgm| 10:48, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I should have been more clear: I wasn't suggesting it for the repost: it was for the new account creation, afd avoidal and reposting, and the linkspam combined. ⇒ SWATJester Aim _Fire! 11:09, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• How are you so sure it's a sockpuppet? Was the other account blocked? I'd try a block for linkspamming if they persist. - Mgm| 12:22, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

The sockpuppetry claim is based on an almost identical article with inclusion in the exact same wikipedia entries that it was included in last time. As for the other account, I have no clue. It was back in february of this year, I don't remember the result of it. ⇒ SWATJester Aim _Fire! 19:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

NetScott harassment

The following discussion is an archived debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

User:Netscott keeps vandalising and harassing me by posting my ISP info on my user page and reverting my deletes. He is trying to intimidate me for no good reason and makes unfounded accusations please help and block. Thanks. Here are the diffs: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:71.111.115.155&action=history

71.111.115.155

71.111.115.155 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)

This talk contravenes Misplaced Pages:Civility and is unrelated to editing on the Michael Richards article. Specifically the lines, "Wiki Adminitrators have refusd TWO different requests to put the "michael Richards" story in it's headlines. Talk about a whitewash and racial insensitivy by a bunch of overprivileged white guys! Check it out! " are very problematic. (→Netscott) 16:08, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

There's no evidence I WROTE that I only reverted his deletion of it. People are entitled to their views! Stop this user's unwarranted harrassment of me and my privacy. Thanks.

71.111.115.155 16:11, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

This IP editor is from the same area in Oregon as 71.111.119.60 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) who was blocked yesterday and is very likely the same individual. (→Netscott) 16:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Just more falsehoods to justify his abuses, harassment, and invasion of privacy. Please help this Newbie! There are many people/ Wikipedians in Oregon and this is from 2 different cities way apart! Very ridiculous. Thanks.

71.111.115.155

No invasion of privacy here, all the information posted by Netscott was already publicly available. If you are concerned about your privacy, create an account instead of telling everybody your IP address. If you don't want to create an account, stop complaining that we know your IP address and all data that can be deduced from it. Thank you, Kusma (討論) 16:36, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

To cut down on admins pursuing this report (save for curiosity or verification purposes) please know that User:Glen S has blocked both IPs. Thanks Glen S. (→Netscott) 17:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Regardless, on the bottom of every IP user's talk page is a link to WHOIS etc. Scott did not add anything that was not very easily publicly accessible. -- Avi 18:27, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

• Yup. Nothing to see here, I'd say. Move along, please... Guy (Help!) 22:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

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Please Help!

Admin Glen S has made a totally inapprobriate block here. Please Unblock. There are Two very good reasons. 1- The users are not the same and 2-Just as Important the reason given was evading of block! But the the previous block of 31 hours had already EXPIRED!! 3- As far as I know users do not always choose their ISP address so it wouldn't be intentional (this is moot since these two people are not sock puppets)

Please see time diff: (over 31 hours had pasted even for the sake of argument it was the same IP address user which it clearly was not) ] ] Please unblock User 119.60 and notify/Warn User:Glen_S of his terrible mistake. Thanks I have done nothing wrong except contribute and voiced my fair opinion on My talk page. I have reason to believe that Glen_S's block of this user therefore was a pretext and possible racially motivated for attempted contributions to the Michael Richards article, which would be a is a serious violation of WP. Thank you. 71.111.117.65

I keep getting harassed/blanked, WIKIStalked and reverted by User:NetScott also from my userpage and ANI page. Please warn or block him him. see ] Thanks for your help with this intimidation. Its like a cyber lynching of people who are different or something. It is very unfair. Thanks for your help we should support diversity not discourage it! 71.111.117.65 13:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

This repetitively abusive editor is evading previous blocks. See Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#NetScott_harassment also see User_talk:71.111.119.60 and User_talk:71.111.115.155 (you may need to review the histories of those talk page for they may be targetted for blanking by this editor). Now this editor is admin shopping (spamming): spam1, spam2, spam3, spam4. (→Netscott) 13:45, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

The word disruption comes to mind. (→Netscott) 13:49, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Anonymous AOL user adding spam links

An anonymous user from AOL is constantly adding spam links and bogus information to numerous articles related to ghosts and the supernatural. So far, I've seen the one and the same link added to Ghost, but from these IPs:

• 172.143.166.70 (talk · contribs) - Edit with link added
• 172.201.12.187 (talk · contribs) - Another edit with the same link added
• 172.142.57.188 (talk · contribs) - And a third edit with the same link added to the article

When adding this link, this spammer immediately follows up with another edit elsewhere in this article. I don't know why, but it seems like an attempt cover up his tracks, so to speak, since a simple check on the difference between current and last edit won't show the link added. By now, I think it's about time that an administrator had a look at this matter, since this spammer really doesn't seem to get it when warned by other editors. /M.O (u) (t) 14:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Another IP used by this spammer:

• 172.188.162.120 (talk · contribs) - Another edit, same link added

/M.O (u) (t) 14:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

• 81.145.241.154 (talk · contribs) - Spammer has returned to once again spam Halloween with the same link he always adds. --Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 07:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Other instances of same link added:

• 172.143.166.70 (talk · contribs) - commercial link
• 172.201.12.187 (talk · contribs) same link

I, Freestylefrappe am back

I am back. I was formerly User:Freestylefrappe, but this is my new account. No longer will I be using the Ya ya ya ya ya account, or any of my other sockpuppets. --Horbeine 15:01, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• Indef-blocked by Pilotguy. Move along, please, nothing to see here... Guy (Help!) 15:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Cork

The following discussion is an archived debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Administrators Guinnog, pschemp and myself have been involved in a discussion about creating a disambiguation page for Cork, as strong arguments can be made for the city not being the most popular lemma with that name. One editor, User:Frelke, has proven extremely difficult to work with, and his unwillingness to engage with factual arguments, take up complaints about guidelines in the appropriate places, and file bug reports about technical aspects that he feels need to be changed, has stalled progress on the talk page. I would appreciate review and recommendation by an independent admin. As a quick intro to my view of the situation, you may wish to read . Thank you. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 15:59, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• What administrative action is needed? --jpgordon 16:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
• Well people are certainly allowed to ask for advice here from other admins and fresh eyes on a situation, and this is done all the time. What we've got here is a situation where after much and prolonged discussion the majority of editors agree with what is standard practice on Misplaced Pages for disambig pages yet the minority is claiming that because not everyone is in 100% agreement, there isn't consensus. So what do you do in a situation like that? If you go with the majority and the standard practice, then the minority will claim "process wasn't followed" and "its a dictatorship" and "there wasn't consensus." (As they already have done) Can we do the right thing even if the minority doesn't agree or is Misplaced Pages so bogged down in process that it isn't allowed if it will hurt someone's feelings? Certainly asking the community this before taking action is a noble thing. pschemp | talk 16:33, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

A vote was taken on the issue, five people requested that the status quo of Cork as the city be maintained whilst six requested that an alternative name be used (indeed in said vote the status quo was removed part way thru the vote as it was seen that a consenus had to be fixed). Its very close cut and by no means just one "extremely difficult" editor who is holding up the process. Djegan 16:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

The consensus on the page was that voting was evil and a discussion was a better way. Only Djegan and Felke continue to cling to the "we must vote" even though the vote was closed as malformed and the resulting discussion can out in favor of following Misplaced Pages disambig guidelines and having cork as a disambig page. His interpretation of the vote is off too, only two people indicated that cork shouldn't be a disambig. This is an example of why more eyes are needed. pschemp | talk 16:52, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Thats a bit of spin. Djegan 16:56, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Two, count 'em two people only said Cork was the only acceptable option. That's not a spin. Plus, the poll was closed becuase it wasn't formed correctly, there was no consesnsus to have yet another poll, and a perfectly good disscussion took place that came to a decision. Additionaly, the disambig guidlines clearly state Cork should be a disambig page. pschemp | talk 17:03, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Three now.

Sorry thats four, not discounting those that voted and have been disenfranchised and others ignored because they dont give a daily check on their option as seemingly required. Djegan 17:09, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Unless you just went and changed a closed poll, nothing has changed. pschemp | talk 17:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Bleh, once again this has disinigrated into a content dispute. Never mind, sorry for wasting ANI time. pschemp | talk 17:41, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

And once again this article has been moved without clear consenus, and by an admin who wanted a move. Djegan 17:48, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Could an admin investigate this move? Djegan 17:55, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Djegan, the consensus of the discussion was clear. Just because you don't like the outcome doesn't mean anything improper was done. pschemp | talk 17:57, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Not so sure, thats why hopefully a neutral admin will investigate. Djegan 17:59, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I have no doubt you will continue to see it as improper. However, this is just like closing an AFD, where the evidence presented is more important than the number of "votes". Unless you can come up with some hard facts to support your viewpoint, your complaints mean little. pschemp | talk 18:02, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

You made the first move and persistantly wanted a move thats why I have placed my comments here and not on your talk page. I was not expecting you to change your mind. Djegan 18:09, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Guinnog made this move. Unless you are claiming he's my meatpuppet, my pointing out the facts related to it is irrelevent. pschemp | talk 18:26, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

If you fancy yourself as a meatpuppet thats your claim, not mine, thanks. Djegan 21:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

You've got your logic wrong way 'round but that's not surprising. pschemp | talk 21:38, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I have to say that the move seemed a bit premature. i thought the plan was to take the argument to request move to get the outside opinions. It seems strange to move the page without going to WP:RM and then come to ANI for outside opinion. Especially given the sensitive nature of this subject. This early move, which appears to side step normal proceedure, is just asking for those who object to dig in their heels. It was definitely counter productive to resolving the issue. David D. (Talk) 18:41, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

If you review the talk page, you'll see that there wasn't a chance in hell of any constructive discussion coming out of it. Taking the issue anywhere else would have only prolonged the conflict and got more people hot and bothered, rather than achieving anything positive. Taking it to requested moves had been the option favoured by the opposers from the beginning, possibly with exactly the intention outlined above. As for digging the heels in, they had pretty much announced they would do that regardless fairly early on. Please note that the opposing side provided no data supporting their case, other than a somewhat biased analysis of Google results. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 18:50, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

That is not entirely correct. Several contributors (myself included) attempted to offer supporting data. All of which was refuted out of hand. (Despite being acknowledged as an accepted WP means of identifying DAB priority). Regardless, the "request for admin review" here is not to "review the validity of this move", rather "review the manner in the move was instrumented". It was unheralded (a simple "I'm going to do this" would have done), and so gave no time for the contributing editors to help "prepare the ground" by preemptively working through the several thousand links which now incorrectly point to a DAB page! Guliolopez 19:03, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I've asked this question before, and ended up being pointed to what turned out to be a rant against guidelines, unsupported by evidence or any attempt to resolve the concern on guideline talk. Where, please, is this evidence that you speak of? I have provided diffs when asked this question, therefore so should you. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 19:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

First off, if you were pointed to a "rant" it was not mine. (I have never "ranted" in any of these discussions). Secondly, I find myself questioning your use of the term "rant", given the profanity used on your own userpage. Thirdly, I remain saddened by this expectation that this discussion be conducted over an undefined set of conditions. (EG: "enter into this discussion under *my* terms or you will be ignored")

All that said, while I'm not about to go through every one of my posts on this discussion over the last month to provide the diffs you request, I will bow to your terms and offer the following: , , , , . My points against the move therefore remain:

1. There was no precedence for this move (save for the enthusiasm of a handful of editors) (See: Bath, Turkey, Limerick, and - beyond geographical terms - any page that has two potential meanings).
2. A quick Google test (even balancing for links with a higher ranking owing to commerical considerations) demonstrated Cork (city) as a primary use candidate.
3. The arguments citing "dictionary evidence" were inconclusive, and offered no argument to address the imbalance of "proper nouns" in a dictionary context. (Beyond which, using "dictionary rules" seemed inappropriate given that wikipedia is clearly not a dictionary and not bound by the same considerations).

Regardless, the validity of my points above are no longer of concern. As stated, I am no longer concerned 'that this page was moved, but that (even though those involved in the discussion were attempting to work "within the rules of engagement defined by the proposers") it was moved without due consideration to the ongoing discussion, without notice (given the contention), and by an Admin (or Admins) who should have considered closing the debate, heralding the change and addressing any "impartiality" issues before making the change!

I am further dismayed by the language, attitude and undiplomatic perspective which permeated the discussion, which resulted in measured contributors - who were attempting to remain balanced and considered - being effectively blocked from participating. An aggressive (flaming) atmosphere was perpetuated in the discussion, and was not addressed by the admins (and in some cases the "flames were fanned"), and - because a vote was rejected and so no other avenue offered - measured discussion was impossible, and relevant arguments were ignored or (I expect) never proffered in the first place.

It's hardly the most inappropriate use of power I've ever witnessed, but it was so badly managed that I find myself disillusioned with the role of admins in resolving contentious issues. Guliolopez 20:44, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

All those things were addressed and discussed over and over on the talk page, so I'm not going into why a google seach is not representative of the entire world's usage of English again. An inconclusive result says that to be NPOV we can't give the city precedence over the material anyway. pschemp | talk 21:36, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree on your points. A neutral admin should of come in and reviewed the process and made the final call. Instead the admins who where involved in the discussion for moving made it a rather private affair between themselves, and even when editors requested that a neutral admin interveen they went ahead (indeed the attempt was a rather botched one as the talk pages where not moved and less than five minutes notice was given before intention to move and moving - bearing in mind the vote was 5/6 and requests to allow an neutral admin ignored).

It makes you think is adminship just a private accolade to ensure that your requests are carried out, for your individual benifit, or for the benifit of the community as a whole. A patronage system? Certainly the tone and manner of some admins leaves a lot to be desired. Djegan 21:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh please. You are simply whining because you didn't get your way. However, you never once came up with facts supporting your position. We make decisions around here based on facts and the dismabig guidelines, both of which say that Cork should be a disambig page. Like afd's, decisions are not made by votes (which you are skewing the interpretation of anyway, plus the vote was closed because it was malformed) around here, they are made by looking at the facts of the case. There were lots of non-admins who thought cork should be a disambig page so get off the conspiracy theory. Whine away but like it or not, if you don't have facts to back up your opinions, they matter little. pschemp | talk 21:33, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

A prime example for us to see here is the word Lift. Because no term is more common, life goes straight to a disambig page. This is the same circumstance. pschemp | talk 22:18, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

(reproduced from the talk page) Hi... I've looked through this entire discussion... wow. I'm not sure I see why people are so passionate about this. My conclusion: (I am a neutral admin, previously uninvolved) and I think cork should be a disambiguation page. No term is most prominent, not the material, not the city, none of them. So the main reference should indeed be to a disambig. Support the action of Guinnog, and suggest that it be left as is. See, for example, Phoenix and Lift. I'm not sure that characterising the inputs of some admins as arrogant is necessarily the way to make a case for things, though. Support the close of this poll. ++Lar: t/c 22:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• There is nothing more useful to say here. ++Lar: t/c 22:56, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

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Peripatetic / Beaumontproject

I have a complaint by email from User:Peripatetic that he is autoblocked as a result of a block I made on User:Beaumontproject. I can't see this; and I'm offnet for the weekend; so if someone else could take a look? Thanks William M. Connolley 18:03, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• It appears this user was hit by an autoblock on an IP he shares with Beaumontproject because the third checkbox was checked to avoid Beaumontproject avoiding the block with another IP. I've killed the autoblock. - Mgm| 20:23, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Page "Metrocenter Mall" was deleted without notice, needs to be reinstated

I have been editing pages on shopping centers in the Phoenix, AZ area, where I live, and the San Francisco Bay Area, where I grew up.

Today I found that the page "Metrocenter Mall" was deleted by admin JzG citing (WP:CSD G11, spam,) as a reason. I would beg to disagree with the conclusion as 1) Metrocenter is a major shopping center in Phoenix, one of America's major cities and 2) using such criteria would disqualify several dozen articles on shopping malls. Shopping centers are a topic of great social, cultural and economic significance in the USA and worldwide and deserve coverage on Misplaced Pages. Articles on them should not be deleted. Please strongly consider reposting the article, and/or I will begin a replacement article within 48 hours.--Msr69er 18:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• I left a note on the above user's talk page advising (1) to discuss with the deleting admin and (2) take it to DRV. I also mentioned that recreating deleted content is generally wasted effort. Robert A.West (Talk) 18:56, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• • You may be interested in the discussion of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Centre 2000. I don't see why we give malls the thumbs down when they are valid structures akin to other notable buildings. Yeah, some do not need to be on here for notability reasons, but many have interesting histories. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 03:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
• I disagree with its deletion, and I've submitted it to Deletion review. Titoxd 19:35, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Illegal blocking of User:Bowser Koopa

A user by the name of Bowser Koopa has been blocked from wikipedia without proper warning. User:AuburnPilot was the one who reported Bowser Koopa to User:Metros232, who immediately blocked Bowser Koopa and labeled him a "vandalism only" account. I am addressing this because Bowser Koopa only vandalised ONE page and was warned for it. He only received one warning of his actions. He goofed around with his talk page but received no warning or anything(he only received a hint). AuburnPilot then told Bowser Koopa that the talk page was not "his" and that anybody could say whatever they want and that Bowser Koopa could not delete it without their permission. He then went to AuburnPilot's talk page and posted a fake vandalism warning as a joke, yet it was deleted without Bowser Koopa's permission and AuburnPilot reported him to Metros232, who ignored the fact Bowser Koopa never received a final warning and blocked him indefinately. Not only was one rule ignored, but another(deleting a message on a talk page without permission) was also committed. There is major hypocrisy here that I want to stop. I am requesting Bowser Koopa be unblocked and given another chance, and for Metros232 to be accountable for his mistakes. That is all.-User:Captain Insano shows no mercy

These users are clearly the same. They have similar edit summary styles, refer to each other in similar manners, sign their posts the same ways, etc. I guess it depends what people want to make of this fact. Regardless, edits like this are totally unacceptable. You can't say "Well I shouldn't have been blocked because I wasn't warned", because you shouldn't have made those edits and it doesn't take reading policies to understand that. And you were warned, but thought it might be funny to vandalise the warning. As such I've blocked this account too. Enjoy. --Deskana talk 20:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

And just so you know, {{bv}} is a final warning. And you vandalised after it. Go figure. --Deskana talk 20:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, considering Koopa's 3rd edit was a request involving Bowser Koopa and Captain Insano, something was always suspected to be a little out of whack. Thanks Deskana for blocking Insano too. Metros232 20:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Before being blocked this editor made 7 edits to articles. 4 were vandalism, and 3 were non-encyclopedic POV rants. All were reverted. Let the blocks stand. --Doc Tropics 20:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

hit and run vandal blanking User Pages

Here's today's action by 70.110.173.25 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)

1. 20:25, 24 November 2006 (hist) (diff) User talk:Tariqabjotu (←Replaced page with 'those are stupid pictures')
2. 20:24, 24 November 2006 (hist) (diff) User talk:Jacek Kendysz (←Replaced page with 'are you a polak?')
3. 20:23, 24 November 2006 (hist) (diff) User talk:FrancoGG (←Replaced page with 'j]')
4. 20:22, 24 November 2006 (hist) (diff) User talk:Squirepants101 (←Blanked the page)
5. 20:21, 24 November 2006 (hist) (diff) Talk:Rjensen/Archive 4 (←Blanked the page)

this appears to be the same vandal who uses several different IP to harrass editors who criticized Stevewk for his blanking of much of the Abraham Lincoln article. Thus we have: for For 70.110.223.254

1. 16:42, 22 November 2006 (hist) (diff) User talk:Midnightcomm (←Replaced page with 'koi')
2. 16:41, 22 November 2006 (hist) (diff) User talk:Busterd (←Replaced page with 'kjiu')
3. 16:40, 22 November 2006 (hist) (diff) Abraham Lincoln and the American Civil War
4. 16:39, 22 November 2006 (hist) (diff) Talk:Rjensen/Archive 4 (←Replaced page with 'gffg') Rjensen 20:45, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

He's been blocked by now. In the future you can use WP:AIV when reporting vandals for a faster response. --Ginkgo100 21:19, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Jcurtis

Jcurtis has been warned several times to stop blanking external links in articles and adding POV comments. He did this again multiple times today. I reported him to WP:AIV but they said to take it here. Dismas| 21:15, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

This user continues to add POV material and blank external links. Can nothing be done? Dismas| 20:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Kennethtennyson

I direct the attention to JFD and Kennethtennyson, who closely follow me committing harrasment under WP:stalking. Kindly observe this, this, this, this and I can provide a lot more.

If you take a look into the record you'll see that when I make an edit into any article first. The group follows me there and stalks me. One member of the cabal in particular, kennethtennyson has contributed next to nothing in any actual article in which he stalks me. All he does is, walk in here, violently revert and then log out.

Kindly note Kenny tried to fake the content in the Encyclopedia Brittanica citation , remove a citation and a section without any explaination whatsoever , removes an entire section without one word of explaination and fraduelently claims that the citation has anything to do with Sengchou and Huiguang .

This has become very painful. Kindly stop it as early as possible. The amount of WP policy violations they get away with is amazing. Freedom skies (send a message to Freedom skies) 21:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Lebanon/to do: Some sort of Personal Project Page?

I came across Lebanon/to do and don't really know what to do about it. It appears to be an article in progress? But it's obviously tucked away without a proper entry title and page. The state it's in now is more of a polemic than encyclopedic. I'm keeping an eye on it for the moment but I remain perplexed about its purpose and legitimacy on Misplaced Pages. Thoughts/advice? --Pigman (talk • contribs) 23:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

The To do subpages are crosslinked to the Main Article's talk page to provide a minor "Bulletin Board" type system of "Plz do this lol kthz" things. (Basically a todo list) I am completely unaware of why there is an article todo page rather than solely a Talk To Do page. 24.89.197.136 23:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)/Logical2u on enforced wikibreak

The problem Paul had (I think) was the page wasn't a subpage, it was its own article. I've moved it onto Talk:Lebanon/to do. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 02:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

It messes up the Talk:Lebanon page pretty badly in its current form. Is it OK just to delete the whole thing except the actual todo list? --Dual Freq 02:37, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean that what I did has somehow messed up Talk:Lebanon? Also, what exactly are you asking to be deleted? Sarah Ewart (Talk) 03:10, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

NM, I see what you mean. I've moved that person's essay to their own talk page. Hopefully that's fixed it. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 03:17, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Sarah, Yeah, that was what was confusing me. Because it didn't seem connected to Lebanon in a direct way, such as having a link back to the main page or talk page of Lebanon, which I'm used to seeing on sub-pages. It certainly wasn't a complete article. And the general lack of wikifying, which I wouldn't expect from an article on Lebanon. It just struck me strange and worth noting. Sorry if it was a bother. Cheers. --Pigman (talk • contribs) 03:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Reliable verifiable sources on Peter Pickles

Martin Waller is a serious economic reporter for the serious Times Newspapers Ltd., so when he published a reliable verifiable article on a notable person dying, naturally "verifiable not true" wikipedia publishes an article on him at Peter Pickles. I have no such reliable verifiable source that he is a fictitious person altho I can do original research to such an end. Good thing we have WP:IAR. WAS 4.250 00:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Good thing we have CSD A7. Why can't we just delete it via that. There is no assertion of notability in that article. --Deskana talk 00:53, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

When I started writing that, it still existed. It doesn't anymore. Never mind. --Deskana talk 00:54, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, if the author's column was considered a reliable source, then wouldn't his subsequent column retracting the original one be equally reliable? Newyorkbrad 00:55, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

i deleted it after reading this. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 00:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Ouch! That was embarrassing; thanks for deleting. At least we can self-correct fairly quickly when these things come up. --Doc Tropics 16:52, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Vanity page creators bypassing new page patrol

I debated whether or not to leave this comment here, for WP:BEANS reasons, but decided it was better to have people knowing about it and being on the watch than just letting it go on.

A lot of vanity pages are being put into the mainspace by people creating them first as user pages, where we almost always ignore them, and then moving them into the mainspace after a few days have gone by (or until their accounts have aged sufficiently for them to do this). Here's a couple examples: , . In the last couple days I've gone through the move log for about the last week, and killed a bunch of these. (Some like Cupton I left because he's not obviously CSD A7.)

It would be great if the new page patrollers and recent change patrollers also patrolled the move log regularly. I'm trying to remember to do it.

A couple things from the developers might be nice:

1. Include pages on Special:Newpages (mainspace) which are moved there from other spaces;
2. A filter on the move log so we could see things moved between spaces, especially into the mainspace.

Thanks all, Antandrus (talk) 01:07, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up on this. Some of these vanity pages, especially Cororate Spams, are like bloody cockroaches...no matter how many you stomp on, there's always more in the shadows. --Doc Tropics 01:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Good call, thanks for the note. This has come up before: see bugzilla:5189. Snoutwood (talk) 01:23, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Excellent: thanks to Jeff G. It's been noticed before.  :) Antandrus (talk) 01:27, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

As a side note, do go and vote for the bug, as that (can, maybe, sorta) show how important the community feels a certain change is. It's no guarantee that it'll be fixed, but every little bit helps. Snoutwood (talk) 02:10, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I discovered this weakness nearly a year ago but didn't want to champion a fix for fear of spilling the WP:BEANS. I managed to file the bug above, but it went unnoticed, much to my dismay. Now that we all know what the deal is, lets vote for the bug, please. Vanity pages are one thing, but the potential for serious abuse is astounding. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 11:44, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

out of wikipedia contact???

Question: Is there any guideline or policy regarding the appropriateness of a wikipedia editor getting another editor's email address through contact from the email function (we had collaborated back and forth regarding some edits several months ago), and then using that editor's email to invite them to various dating services etc? I've gotten a couple of requests from another editor, to join dating networks, social networks, and other such things. It's getting a little irritating, and I'm wondering if there is any official guidelines or policy regarding it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking that any action be taken against the other editor (hence why I'm not naming him), I am just curious as to the policy behind it. ⇒ SWATJester Aim _Fire! 02:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

There's no policy that I'm aware of, but its obviously inappropriate. I wouldn't mind blocking the user, personally, as they're abusing a Misplaced Pages function. Have you talked with them about the issue? Snoutwood (talk) 02:07, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I sent an email once the last time I got an invitation a couple months back asking it to stop. I never got a response. So I guess you could say I've attempted to talk, but I haven't successfully achieved that yet. ⇒ SWATJester Aim _Fire! 02:17, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I would say that that activity warrants a block. There's not much to be done, though, unless you'll post who they are so that they can contribute their side to this story here. Not that I don't trust you, but check and balances and all that. Plus, it's hard to do anything without some cursory information about who to involve or do it to. Snoutwood (talk) 02:37, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Editor is Mohammed Salim Khan. I'll forward the respective emails to you if you like. ⇒ SWATJester Aim _Fire! 02:41, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to reiterate I've got no beef with the editor. I just have enough spam to deal with already and I think this may be an exploitable hole in wikipedia policy that needs to be filled somehow. ⇒ SWATJester Aim _Fire! 02:42, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Duly noted that you have no beef with the editor; still, however, it's not O.K. Is that their actual username? They're not showing up in Special:Listusers. Snoutwood (talk) 02:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

That's the user's email "name". Give me 2 minutes, I'll dig up where the username is. ⇒ SWATJester Aim _Fire! 03:13, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

, user User:Salimswati. Be careful because there are like a dozen users with similar names that are a combination/permutation of the words Salim and Swat.⇒ SWATJester Aim _Fire! 03:20, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, see the below links: I don't actually know which one it was that I talked to. ⇒ SWATJester Aim _Fire! 03:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Is it really an abuse of Misplaced Pages function? From how I read it, the OP volunteered her/his email address in a previous exchange, and that information is now being mis-used. Anchoress 02:53, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I see what you're saying, but they used the email this user feature to get Swatjester's e-mail address, and then used that address to spam him. In my mind, that's indirect abuse of a Misplaced Pages feature. Snoutwood (talk) 02:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, I see what you're saying, but it seems like a dangerous precedent. I am totally on board with sanctions against certain editors who engage in off-wiki stalking, but I think (speaking as a non-admin) that we (as editors) have to take responsibility for giving out our email addresses. The OP said s/he had 'collaborated' with the other editor in a 'back and forth' exchange, which IMO says that they had productive contact, which means this is in effect a friendly off-wiki contact that went a bit sour when the OP started getting emails s/he didn't like. I am on the bulk email lists of several editors thru wiki contact who now send me christmas greetings, e-cards, and jokes. Can I get them blocked? Cuz it seems like the same thing to me. Not dissing the OP btw. Anchoress 03:18, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Our "collaboration" was his original email saying "Why did you nominate my article for deletion" and I explained it "It was a duplicate article, highly POV, and almost unrecognizable as being written in the english language it was that poorly written." That was the extent of it. He persisted, and I sent him one more email explaining myself again. That was the last contact I had until his (I count 4 that are still archived on gmail, and I think more are on my other laptop) spams. ⇒ SWATJester Aim _Fire! 03:23, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Some strangeness: I remember vaguely noting this the first time, but there is some real weirdness with this user. I chalk it up to being a pakistani national on the en wiki, but he's made like a half dozen usernames, and multiple copies of similar articles. See top of the page for a brief summary, but there is , , (now redirected) user name one, username two, user name 3, user name 4, user name 5, user name 6, user name 7, this article copy of the user pages, which I've prodded, user name 8, user name 9. That's an indirect search of "swat pakistan hospital". Something is really weird here. ⇒ SWATJester Aim _Fire! 03:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

• If it's casual invites, I would say it's unintentional spamming, which it is best to just kindly tell the person to stop. If this is done out of malice, then I think it qualifies as Misplaced Pages:Harassment. - Mailer Diablo 03:41, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I can't believe it would be malicious, but it IS continuing after I've asked it stop. I've received three in the past month. I'm assuming good faith here, I'm not asking for blocks for the user, I'm not claiming malicious intent or anything. I'm simply noting that this does seem like a fairly large loophole with harassment potential (in my case it's merely annoying, its not at the level of harassment yet.) that should be fixed somehow, and seperately that the dearth of usernames and article clones that the Mohammad Salim Khan's have made are rather strange and worthy of attention. Like I said, the user identifies himself as a pakistani national, and his english is very poor, so I'm chalking most of this up to bad grasp of the language and customs. ⇒ SWATJester Aim _Fire! 03:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Persistant trolling

Analyzethis (talk · contribs), clearly not happy with discussion on his link at Talk:University of Mary Washington, is launching an IP attack on me and A. B. (talk · contribs). So far I've blocked about 6 or 7 IPs, 5 in the last 10 minutes. Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Analyzethis‎ hasn't been too helpful. So does anyone have any suggestions on handling this? Short of semi-ing my user page, I'm at a loss. Thanks, Metros232 02:45, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

The IPs are mostly Korean so far, and not from Analyzethis' home area. They may be proxies, but if so, there will never be technical evidence to confirm the alleged sockpuppetry. Do you have other strong evidence that the user is behind the attacks? If so, post an explanation and see if an uninvolved admin will agree to block the named account. Otherwise you'll just have to keep blocking the IPs. Thatcher131 03:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Aside from the fact that the user has been targeting me and A. B., the two people heavily involved in keeping the link out of the article, and a promise that IPs would come to add the link back , not really any evidence to support it. In addition, the first wave of IP edits came 40 minutes after Analyzethis was blocked. That's about all I've got. Metros232 03:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Ones that look like open proxies should be indefblocked though, right? (I've personally been a bit puzzled by the WP:OP project and when it is and isn't okay to indefblock an IP - how much proof is needed). —Wknight94 (talk) 04:22, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

The IP is scanned by a web-based tool to see if common ports used by proxy servers are open. If one or more is detected, the IP is blocked. Naconkantari 04:25, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Back again with 221.145.192.40 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) which I blocked for 48 hours. Metros232 06:03, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

And 75.51.230.54 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) also blocked for 48. Metros232 06:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

And 61.82.12.97 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) which Antandrus (talk · contribs) blocked as an open proxy and 58.149.155.10 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) which I blocked for 48 hours. I have now semi-protected my user and talk pages as well as A. B.'s. Metros232 06:13, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Ag afd

User:Ag afd is a sockpupet for someone. Don't know who. All the user has done to this point is nominate articles for deletion. See: contribs for Ag afd Each of his/her nominations appears to be notable, and not really worthy of deletion. Someone to keep an eye on. --Jayron32 02:57, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

• Misplaced Pages:Single purpose account violating username policy. Indef blocked. - Mgm| 13:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Did I cross the line?

There is a user who some time ago (top of the last archive of my talk I think) posted a message tha went something along the lines of "I see you're a smoker, I think you should stop" I added a lenghty and quite tongue in cheek reply that basicaly said thanks for the concern, but please stay out of my personal life.

Yesterday, that same user came back and osted again. I'm actually onn a bit of a wikibreak right now because my illness has the better of me at the moment, and so I'm prone to snapping (perhaps I should leave a messagebox? lol). However, reading his message, I saw red and couldn't resist replying. I tried to keep civil, but also wanted to be perfectly blunt about it as it seems that the message didn't quite get across the first time. I'm a little worried that I may have crossed the personal attack line unintentionally at the moment (possibly because I'm worrying needlessly, or possibly because it comes close - I'm not the best person to judge that at the moment, which is the exact reason I'm taking a break right now. Could somebody please review my comment here and let me know? I'd ask at editor review, but it's only a review of one message I'm hoping for rather than my whole contib history. Thanks Crimsone 02:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

No, that's fine. If it was me, I would've just removed the comment from my talk page. Snoutwood (talk) 03:20, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd say your reply was quite reasonable. RichMac (Talk) 04:35, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Pflanzgarten sockpuppet abuse

Refer to here for evidence. Me and a couple other editors that are keeping an eye on Jim Clark are always noticing new sockpuppets from this user. I think it's time that the 3 or 4 IP ranges that Pflanzgarten are using (Listed here) are blocked, as I personally feel that's the only way he/she would stop. That, or a complaint to his/her ISP. I just wanted to list this problem here, so an Administrator can intervene in a way, possibly like how I recomended. // I c e d K o l a 05:53, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Looks like a lot of those IPs come up red at completewhois, like this, and should go to WP:OP. As for the article, there are still only one or two vandal edits per day which doesn't seem even semi-protection worthy to me. But I've seen a lot of different opinions on that subject so I'm sure many will disagree. —Wknight94 (talk) 14:45, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Possible sockpuppetry

Rather than take this to WP:RCU, I'd like someone to check out the situation and determine an appropriate course of action.

Kurt Benbenek was created by Otis Fodder (talk · contribs) who, when the article was taken to AfD, deleted both the AfD notice and blanked the page itself. Tennyson Miles (talk · contribs), whose account was created just five minutes later, left this message on my talk page just a few minutes after I left a comment at the AfD page (not knowing it had been blanked). When I realised that the page had been blanked and reconstructed it, User:Tennyson Miles immediately re-blanked the page -- his second ever edit (the only other being the message he left at my talk page).

This smells very much like sockpuppetry to me, so I'd appreciate it if someone took a look for me. Thanks! Daveydweeb (/_review!) 07:40, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Tennyson made their third ever edit, here, which was to blank the article in question. Daveydweeb (/_review!) 07:51, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Project page vandalism

Hi, The project titled 'Neutral Coverage of Sri Lankan Crisis' or WP:NCSLC has been vandalized again. Please check this diff's page which points out to almost the entire page being blanked out by two IP's which apparently have worked in tandem. This is the first IP 59.92.88.135, which appears to be a completely dud IP created only for vandalizing such pages. The second IP 125.238.104.244 seems to be a professional tailormade-vandaluser IP which has involved in personal attacks, racial slurs and also foul language in Misplaced Pages all of which can be found in his talk page.

I kindly request the admins top please check both the IPs for all the malice that they have created. Thanks Sudharsansn (talk • contribs) 11:16, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I would also have to support blocking this I.P, he has malicously damaged my User Talk Page over an article Sarath Forenska. I can't help but find the relation between this user and Lahiru_k who is also under close scrutiny, as the I.P in question has a noticable change on the article by reverting it to Lahiru's original post.--Sharz 12:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Sharz to correct one minor thing you meant this article Sarath Fonseka. Elalan 23:15, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Evading indef bans AlanBarnet (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

The intial sockpuppet check found tentatively unrelated, and suggest that we rely on bahavioral evidence. Will post another checkuser with HypnoSynthesis.

Arbcom case: Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Neuro-linguistic_programming#Documentation_of_bans Checkuser: suggested that we submit here if there is enough behavioral evidence

Behavioral evidence connecting AlanBarnet (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) also edited from 88.106.4.118 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) and 88.106.13.232 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) other possibly HypnoSynthesis (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

• Inserted statements without bothering to use ref citation style used in document. This was also done by banned editors. Used the same referencing style as was copy and pasted by banned editors in the past. Eg. HeadleyDown (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)Camridge (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and other banned editors.
• Created account and immediately started editing the NLP with a skeptical POV, also started with revert then edit, pasted text written by banned editors.
• Has repeatedly inserted the same text written by banned editors, . The way it is written sets up a straw man argument by defining NLP in the most flakey or negative terms.
• Editor also personally attacked Comaze (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) in text and incivility in edit comments,
• Reverted blindly on a number of occasions: See thread.
• Immediately accussed other editors of NPOV violations while pushing a skeptical POV
• Other wikipedian have identified similar editing patterns the banned editors
• Personal attack on Comaze in edit comments and text. Essentially accusing other editors as "cult" members
• Has pasted and copied content written by a banned editors. Has even reverted. The reverts even retained formatting, spelling and referencing errors that had been fixed by other editors.
• Simlar skeptical tabloid style and POV as banned editors
• Has reverted without even bothering to keep spelling, style, referencing corrections by other editors
• Uses same referencing style as statements posted by banned editors. Has little interest in using proper wiki ref systems as agreed upon by other editors
• Inserted misleading quotes and statements. Eg. inserted unverified rumour as fact see "Jedi Project" diffs.
• Uses confusing (sometimes misleading) edit comments.
• Often confuses science fact with opinion, or personal belief of authors

--Comaze 13:45, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of image

I speedy deleted an image, File:Newyorkatnight.gif, because it was created by an self-described sockpuppet of Blu Aardvark, and because it was extremely offensive. The sockpuppet, Mi Querida (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) had placed the image on User:MONGO's talk page. User:CambridgeBayWeather had already blocked the account. Does anyone have a problem with my decision to speedy the image? -- Donald Albury 14:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

No way. That has no place on Misplaced Pages. Delete with avengance. --Deskana talk 14:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Not a problem at all; that made me sick. -- tariqabjotu 14:16, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

CSD G3, seems fairly straightforward. --pgk 16:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I was wondering if 'general' speedy tags were applicable to images. My tagging was correct then. I wonder why people put things as distasteful as this on here? Eugh.-Localzuk 18:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

User:SiobhanHansa

This user is being incivil, making legal threats, and wikistalking Lucky 6.9, Newyorkbrad and Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington. Please block her. --Ploughmanhorse 14:22, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Looked through most of this editor's last 50 and see no interplay involving the three editors this complaint suggests are being stalked. I *do* see a lot of good spam link removal, and would suggest that, combined with the first edit of a newly registered editor being to make this complaint, looks kind of suspect. Tony Fox (arf!) 19:19, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Very suspect. There is zero evidence to support this accusation, its pretty clearly a disgruntled spammer trying (and failing) to accuse a user in good standing. Gwernol 21:43, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I recall no interaction of any kind between me and this editor. Newyorkbrad 22:05, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Abusive edit

By WhiteEagleSerbianPride (talk · contribs) wich is a suspected sockpupped of PANONIAN (talk · contribs). --Vince 15:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Related-seeming troubling threat here from anon IP 212.200.175.122 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) to Vince Dina 16:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I've blocked WhiteEagleSerbianPride indefinitely - only one edit, and it's a death threat. I'll leave someone more experienced to deal with any sockpuppet issues. --Tango 16:07, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I've blocked that IP address for 24 hours. I can't see any point warning people not to give death threats... --Tango 16:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I tend to agree. Particularly threats as ominous as that one...Dina 16:15, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

That is upsetting, but someone should run CheckUser on User:PANONIAN, he speaks Serbian and that is the country from which the death threats supposedly were voted on. Cbrown1023 16:19, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

There's a CheckUser request pending. Newyorkbrad 18:27, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Closing a controversial AfD category

Who would I ask to close a controversial AfD category? It has been one week today since this category was opened Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_November_18#Category:State_terrorism. Travb (talk) 17:05, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Seabhcan

I have blocked Seabhcan (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) for another of his increasingly disruptive personal attacks.. See Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Seabhcan. I would appreciate review and feedback. Tom Harrison 18:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Would have blocked for longer than 3 hours. An admin should know better. An admin who finds himself editing numerous contentious articles with numerous contentious editors ought to set an example, or back away until he can. Thatcher131 21:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

You guys really need to find a sense of humour somewhere. ... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 21:38, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Tom Harrison, I take exception at your one-sided warnings and blocks. Your conduct today is fit to produce as many Seigenthaler incidents as possible. The accusations raised by Morton Devonshire were substantial, bordering on the legally relevant, and unsubstantiated in any way. Your protecting them is tantamount to promoting them. --OliverH 17:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Asteroidz R not planetz

Not really sure what to do here. User has a rather strong point of view about planets vs. asteroids and made some questionable edits to push this POV diff diff. We had a rather civil exchange about it my comment his reply (in my archive for some reason. However this user has now started creating a series of articles such as Mercury-4,879km across and one since deleted. I spoke to him about it diff, but he has since cleared his talk page and created Earth-12,746km across. Not sure what speedy tag to use, or what warning to give. Dina 19:05, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I put db-empty on the earth one, and prodded mercury. Several more planets left and he has a to-do list of sorts on his userpage...Dina 19:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I have posted a quick hello (similar to the one you posted before Dina) just asking for him to conform with our policies.-Localzuk 19:15, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Cool, hopefully he'll give up before we get to 2003 UB313-2,400km across. ;) Dina 19:21, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

User:72.74.110.151

This user recently blocked(also suspected as sockpuppet), after just unblocked it begins vandalist attacks in many articles with personal attacks in edit summary comments.
here
here
here
Special:Contributions/72.74.110.151 others here Please take alook. Regards Must 19:17, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Blocked again. Thanks. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:20, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

The anon's recent behavior and new remarks makes it clear that it's a sockpuppet of 172GAL. This means its edits can be reverted, regardless of the merits of the edits themselves. Khoikhoi 20:31, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Accusations in racism and personal threats

A user Serouj accused me in racism after I mentioned that Armenians belong to Armenoid racial type in the talk page You are clearly a racist and lack any concept of history. Please leave this discussion before you become banned.--Nixer 19:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

IMO once you start speaking of Armenioid racial types, you're asking for it. We've moved on from those times, it's 2006.--Euthymios 20:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Apparently Nixer didn't.--Eupator 20:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Let's assume it was just a silly thing to say. Nixer, race is such a sensitive subject that even old "scientific" terms can be considered offensive to some. You never know who's behind the usernames, so just accept that other people have a higher offense-threshold than you, speak delicately in the future, and don't worry about it too much. His accusation was reactionary, but not really out of line, and did not contain what WP regards as a personal attack. --Masamage 20:24, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I haven't looked at the diffs, but I think "You are clearly a racist..." is a personal attack. Tom Harrison 20:34, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Nixer knows what he's doing. He's a long time user with a questionable history, he clearly baited Serouj with those provocative statements.--Eupator 20:52, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

It's definitely infraction of our civility policy. However, accusations of racism in general can't really be outlawed as always being attacks, because it is sometimes a useful and important observation. --Masamage 20:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedians should keep their opinions of one another to themselves. Pointing out what one believes are another's flaws are not "useful and important", they're personal attacks, whether true or not. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 20:51, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I think you misunderstand me. What I mean is that if someone is going around calling other people this word, we have to have a way of qualifying that. It's racist, and that is against the rules, and pointing out a breakage of the rules requires pointing out racist language. I'm not saying we should be calling eachother names all the time--it is definitely a large breach of civility to call someone racist without an extremely good excuse. No argument there. Pointing out someone's "flaws" isn't okay; pointing out someone's outward behavior is. --Masamage 21:14, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I have to explain that I have nothing against Armenians. Serouj said that Lebanese (unlike Armenians) have "Semitic blood" (which is not a scientific term). I replied that in fact Armenians and Lebanese have much in common as both belong to Armenoid racial type.--Nixer 21:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

There is no such racial type, and Armenians have as much in common with Lebanese as Russians do with Uzbeks.--Eupator 21:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Nixer arguably has the longest block record on Misplaced Pages, his last block for stirring trouble on the Armenia talk page was for one week!!! It was even prolonged due to block evasion. Now he's back to the same talk page doing more of the same.--Eupator 20:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow, that is long. And mostly for revert warring, I notice. Probably the admins who have done that blocking will have the best idea of how to proceed regarding Nixer himself. --Masamage 20:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

The block was because I reverted Eupator who tried to archive an ongoing discussion to hide my arguments. And the prolongation was because an admin mistakenly decided edits by another user were mine (and he unblocked me when determined it was not me).--Nixer 21:26, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

No such thing. You were blocked for another one of your disruptions at the time when the discussion was archived. When you returned you maliciously reverted the archived discussion and edited it for which you were blocked for one whole week yet again.--Eupator 21:34, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Hopefully the defendant is allowed to speak at his own trial :). I sincerely apologize if my calling you a racist hurt you, Nixer. However, your behavior on Talk:Armenia is very unappropriate and counterproductive. You continue to regurgitate the same statements, even though they have been disproved more than once, and remain ignorant on the facts and history that are presented regarding the Armenian language, Armenian alphabet, and history of the Armenian people. I (and others on Talk:Armenia) have repeatedly provided you with quotes, references to Misplaced Pages encyclopedia articles (the History of the alphabet, the Armenian language, and the Unicode standard, and yet you still continue to regurgitate your baseless and simply untrue comments:

1. That the Armenian language is not European, even though linguistics categorize it as Indo-European.

   Indo-European does not mean European.--Nixer 21:43, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

2. That the Armenian alphabet is not European, even though it's derived from Greek, and is considered one by the Unicode standard.

   It is only one theory based on letters order. Opearance of the letters conpletely different from Greek.--Nixer 21:43, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

3. etc., etc.

What you are doing is nothing more than terrorizing the Talk:Armenia page, and I (and others) have had enough of it. My comment was reactionary, but not baseless; it's not pointing out a flaw. Racism is a crime in most Western nations, and Nixer's comments constitute Anti-Armenianism. Thank you, and regards.Serouj 21:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

There is no Anti-Armenianism in my comments.--Nixer 21:43, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

You have been waging an anti-Armenian campaign for several months now. Several administrators kindly asked you to cease bringing up controversial allegations and refrain from posting in the Armenia talk page considering your block history. Yet you still continue to cause trouble.--Eupator 21:45, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

This is another allegation of the same type. Please explain where do you see anti-Armenianism and allegations? Is saying Armenia is not located in Europe - anti-Armenianism?--Nixer 21:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

That's the least of what you have been doing. As Serouj put it, you have been terrorizing the talk page without any interruption.--Eupator 21:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Where do you see terrorism? And again, wherre do you see anti-Armenianism?--Nixer 22:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Every single edit you ever made in regards to Armenia is anti-Armenian. You are obsessed with ridiculing and harassing Armenian users on Misplaced Pages. Like I said even after you were asked not to continue engaging in these controversial issues which always seems to lead to you being blocked you still continue to do so. That's how obsessed you are. I'm tired of having to worry what Nixer is up to now instead of concentrating on working on articles.--Eupator 22:10, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Which phrase do you consider anti-Armenian? It is really only your distorted perception.--Nixer 22:14, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I concur.--Eupator 21:38, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Nixer, you are only wasting everyone's time. I am saying the sky is blue, showing you that others are saying the sky is blue, showing you what meteorologists say about the sky - that it is blue - and yet you still come back to me and say the sky is green. I have nothing further to say to you.Serouj 22:34, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Well said. No need to get trapped in the vicious cycle that he's trying to set up.--Eupator 22:40, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I only say black is black. I show you encyclopedia which says black is black and you still say black is white.--Nixer 06:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Offensive username: User:Nick Sex

I was browsing through Special:Log/newusers and saw this username:

• 20:19, 25 November 2006 Nick Sex (Talk | contribs) created new account User:Dinm

think this username could be counted as offensive under the WP:U policy. Could it be blocked, please?

Best wishes,

Yuser31415 20:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Already blocked. Newyorkbrad 20:34, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Dkkicks

I just came across this user after viewing the DRV for Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Parodies featured on Arthur. I noticed this user personally attacking another, so I went to his talk page. There, I noticed several messages for problems with his uploads. Looking at his logs, I found that nearly every image he uploaded has some problem, whether lack of a source, orphaned fair use, or just flat out copyvioing. After tagging these, this user now has over 30 sections on his talk page notifying him of image problems. This user has also been repeatedly warned for personal attacks, and has changed section headers of warnings to "And now, a word from Wikinazis." --Rory096 21:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

None of the above actions on the part of the user are recent enough. Keep an eye and report back if further issues arise. El_C 09:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

User:SiobhanHansa

This user is also known as Subversive element (talk · contribs) - please block. --Lloydsaines 22:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

This is the second blatantly false accusation against User:SiobhanHansa in the last 30 minutes. Lloydsaines is indef blocked as a troll. User:SiobhanHansa is to be praised for their successful work against the spammers to have riled them so. Gwernol 22:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Johnsonsjohnson (talk · contribs · central auth · count · email)

This user account is less than a month old, and shows evidence in their edits of previous experience with Misplaced Pages's guidelines and procedures. However, the sum total of their few edits are all on talk or Misplaced Pages: pages, and the vast majority of those are to do with ongoing discussions in several places about the status of the Lost (TV series) article and its place above the main Lost disambiguation page. Cases in point are this attempt to have the Lost, Scotland article deleted on notability grounds in contravention of guidelines, and this attempt to rally support at WP:D for his case at making Lost (TV series) an unambiguously titled article on those grounds. Given the total lack of actual article editing on this account and single-mindedness of their efforts on Misplaced Pages, I cannot assume good faith and suspect sock puppetry by an unknown user. --BlueSquadronRaven 23:41, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

How is it not a legit sockpuppet, though? El_C 09:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Attempted moving of Hercule (Dragon Ball) to Mr. Satan (Dragon Ball) IMMEDIATELY AFTER a failed move request

See

• Talk:Hercule (Dragon Ball) for the filed move request, which failed
• Talk:Mr. Satan (Dragon Ball) to show how the users who wished to move the article still defied the move request AFTER it had been decided
  • EDIT: Changed link from Mr. Satan to Mr. Satan (Dragon Ball) WhisperToMe 03:44, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Also see:

• My confrontation of User:Onikage725 when he moved the page AFTER the issue was decided: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Onikage725&diff=prev&oldid=90110975 and http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Onikage725&diff=prev&oldid=90111097
• His response: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:WhisperToMe&diff=90110490&oldid=90023895 and http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:WhisperToMe&diff=90112529&oldid=90110490
• My response: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Onikage725&diff=prev&oldid=90114167

WhisperToMe 00:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

EDIT: A user filed a page protection request for the page at Misplaced Pages:Requests for page protection WhisperToMe 01:08, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I read the discussion on Talk:Hercule (Dragon Ball) after the request for move protection and could not identify any clear decision about the name the article should have. I suggest that any move proposals be taken to WP:RM in order to produce some consensus.--Húsönd 01:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

My bad, I was directed to the wrong discussion by following the link on WP:RPP.--Húsönd 01:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I reverted the move back to its original location, and move protected the article. Completely ignoring the outcome of a move request is not the wiki-way. Like Husond said, further move proposals should be taken to WP:RM (although I'm skeptical of any reasonable product coming from that). -- tariqabjotu 01:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

• • We already went through RM... The discussion ended with no consensus - therefore it shall stay at "Hercule (Dragon Ball)" WhisperToMe 01:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, User:Nemu started a new move request for the same move at Talk:Hercule (Dragon Ball).

Unfortunately, it's not a good idea to try to request a new Move Request for the same failed move not long after it failed. WhisperToMe 02:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

User:DesireCampbell personally attacked me at Talk:Hercule (Dragon Ball) - I don't feel insulted, but, at the same time, we need things to remain civil. WhisperToMe 03:44, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I am watching this RM now and reminded Desire, and the others, to remain civil during the discussion. User:Zscout370 04:46, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I closed the move request, due to the blatantly obvious vote stacking (see my closing statement). -- tariqabjotu 16:47, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Street Scholar

Street Scholar (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

This user was blocked for a week for making racial attacks. The complaint was lodged here

.He has been doing this sort of thing for months (diffs below are from user responses at ANI) There were a lot of other problems with him using hate sites for citing information and making derogatory statements against Hindus . He got blocked for a week for doing this. Now he's back. He just made several tendentious edits, which I shall list below:

1. Persistent racist edits (against Bengalis) , instantly reverted by other users
2. Vandalistic removal of sourced edits to push an agenda
3. Makes incivil comments against me

This sort of behavior is counterproductive and interferes with the work of many users, who have to try to fix his tendentious contributions. Hkelkar 01:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm tempted to block over this edit alone. Accusing Paul Barlow of vandalism is ridiculous. El_C 09:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Hinduism

Some anti-Hindu propaganda links by mischievous non-Hindus were included in the article Hinduism. The same were removed and strong support of all editors recd. These links found it's place on talk page which is nothing but subversive way of forcing viewers to view these idiotic links. Abecedare is trying to have it in subversive way by citing vague Misplaced Pages policy. Admins knowledgable of Hinduism must intervene to remove these links from talk page and cite proper policy. swadhyayee 01:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

"Mischievous non-Hindus" ? El_C 09:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Edits by 69.118.184.115

69.118.184.115 (talk · contribs) has made numerous edits related to the TV series Degrassi: The Next Generation. Some of it was obvious vandalism, which I have reverted. The rest I'm not sure since I really don't know much about the series. Appreciate if someone can look into his edits. --snowolfD4 01:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Blocked Zen sock

I have indefinitely blocked User:Zen Apprentice as a puppet of the banned User:Zen-master. Tom Harrison 03:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, good call. -Will Beback · † · 09:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Something smells wolfie...part 2

Unarchiving this thread for further comment. User:Bishonen

I couldn't help but notice while lurking from time to time that User:Snow Shoes (contributions) seems to be an obvious sock puppet of User:Thewolfstar. She is, however, acting a bit more clever. Moreover, what seems obvious to me might not be to the next person, and everybody deserves an initial benefit of the doubt. I'd just like to suggest that an admin familiar with this issue should keep an eye out. --AaronS 05:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

• Obviously a sock of somebody, but if it's the wolfster, she's gotten a lot cleverer. I'll keep an eye out. Bishonen | talk 23:33, 22 November 2006 (UTC).

• I have now gone through the edits in detail, and Snow Shoes has after first lying somewhat low circled into a highly characteristic User:Thewolfstar type of editing. I won't specify here, as I don't want to teach her, but I have indefblocked as obvious wolfie sock. Thanks, AaronS. Bishonen | talk 05:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC).

User:srkris

• contributions) has unreasonably left vandalism messages on my usertalk page even after there was agreement on the http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Carnatic_music to delete such content. Further, he has suggested that I am a puppet of User:A4ay on the same page for A4ay's agreement with me, and so reverted back to his old changes on the Carnatic music page. In this process, I believe I have been defamed as per http://en.wikipedia.org/WP:LIBEL . Ncmvocalist 06:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Ncmvocalist (above) is removing content from Carnatic music without holding any discussions and against repeated requests. He has in the past blanked out Carnatic music related pages like this and this, and got warned by other editors. He has also removed pictures and content from Carnatic music a number of times as per his own admission - , , and reverted the page very often - , , .

He seems to have violated the Misplaced Pages:3RR between 24th and 26th November on Carnatic music article. I cautioned him about it, and placed the Template:Test1a on his page. User:A4ay does similar acts on the same page (removing images etc), who might be a sock puppet of User:Ncmvocalist. User:Ncmvocalist responds to me by placing a template warning on my page and saying that I defamed him. He says above that there was an agreement on Talk:Carnatic music to delete content from the article, which is false and absurd. And now, this report on Admin Noticeboard seems to be funny, if nothin else, since it should have been I who should have sought admin help against him. Since he and User:A4ay have been doing extensive edit warring and destructive edits violating Misplaced Pages:3RR, hope they are warned suitably to participate in a constructive manner. ­ ॐ Kris (☎ talk | contribs) 08:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I have tried to Assume good faith in Srkris, however, his constant disrespect seems to signal that he is not at all innocent. I hope he is warned to not only participate in a constructive, NEUTRAL manner, but about his overt disrespect towards other Wikipedians (evidenced above from the humour he finds in something obviously quite serious, as well as when he rolls on the floor laughing ("ROFTL") and "Haha" in .) His attitude needs to change.

Srkris' version of the facts are somewhat distorted compared to what actually happened - it seems he is not innocent. There is no absurdity or falseness. There was indeed agreement in deleting images of Modern artists in the article Carnatic music, as is evidenced in Talk:Carnatic music - it was agreed that the images would be deleted until the issue was resolved - the issue of WP:NPOV with why some modern artists pictures were on the article rather than others, and whether such images are appropriate in an article that does NOT focus on modern artists). Instead of signalling his disagreement, or respecting the wishes of another WP:Wikipedian to let this issue be resolved by discussion before reverting, he chose to revert AGAIN ] to the version with images in question, and ONLY after this, does he bother placing warnings on my page and the Carnatic music page concerning WP:3RR. He then puts a warning regarding vandalism too. He then has the audacity to claim I am dictating views on others, when he seems to be guilty of the same.

His latest reply in Talk:Carnatic music is further evidence. He misleadingly states that all I do is "undo other's painstaking work" - this is both disrespectful, unreasonable and defamatory. He suggests I haven't tried writing an article on Misplaced Pages from scratch before, and also explicitly states that the only reason the reverts have continued was because I think "The article doesnt need images other than what I upload" - which is untrue, regarding the latest edits and reverts, as can be seen in . His defamation didn't stop after the first warning, nor did his assumption of bad faith, after my first warnings. His failure to assume good faith in dealing with other editors is a serious issue.

He seems to have violated WP:NPA on several occasions, notably and openly when requesting intervention WP:PAIN against another member. He has blatantly insulted their behaviour, when he needs to have a look at his own from a neutral point of view.

I hope the administration will warn him about his behaviour so that it will improve in due course, without interfering with his and others contributions to Misplaced Pages.

Ncmvocalist 15:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

• Please use dispute resolution. Also, this is difficult to follow. My advice: only wikify each specific item once and aim at a concise account. El_C 17:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

64.107.1.251, etc.

• 64.107.1.251 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 64.107.220.170 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 64.107.2.2 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 64.107.1.197 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 64.107.2.130 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 64.107.2.65 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 64.107.220.118 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 66.99.1.4 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 66.99.3.7 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

User uses same grammar/mistakes in comments on history page of Hollywoodland for their duplicate changes, replies to posts directed at one IP as if they are that IP (64.107.1.251 answering my response to a post made by 64.107.220.170 in the Hollywoodland discussion page --see subsection "Hollywoodland"--) and makes threats/insults to others who disagree with them: "also I suggest you keep your hands off good links," and "you support each other, like cops and donuts ," etc.Gnrlotto 07:15, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Simonapro

This user just threatened User:Chondrite . An admin might take these other edits into account as well and , SqueakBox 07:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I have blocked indef. Threats are absolutely not OK, regardless of previous history. Naconkantari 07:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Jckerr

In addition to regular vandalism, Jckerr (talk · contribs) inserted this edit, which is a libelous statement referring to a person related to the NHL. No talk messages at this point. –Outriggr § 08:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

See WP:AIV for these type of cases. El_C 09:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Mactabbed (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Cause for concern? This editor has been repeatedly uploading fair use images and replacing free Commons images with the fair use images he's uploaded. From looking at the history of this user's talk page and following his interactions with other users it seems that he's been warned on a number of occasions about not doing that and yet he appears (warning: not work safe) to be continuing to do so (<-- swapping an image on the article Buttocks here) nevertheless. I became aware of this user due to his usage of a revert tool to revert over a wide swath of other editor's good faith contributions on the Michael Richards (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) article. From looking at this user's contributions it appears that he has a habit of using a revert tool in this manner. I warned him about not doing that whereupon he used his tool to revert my warning (and I reverted back with the ole' archive explanation). After my warning he then utilized his tool to revert to a vandalized version of the article. I reverted the vandalism out just before (and warned the vandal) and re-reverted the vandalism out whereupon he reverted in original research (never cited - note the edit summary as well) into the article. I think this editor's contributions and behavior could use some additional scrutiny from an adminstrator or two. Thanks. (→Netscott) 04:51, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

You must have gone to some lengths digging up every minor violation I have made. It looks like you're accomplishing a lot by researching and discovering that I accidentally reverted one of your edits. Also, don't be a stalker, and don't rule whore. Mactabbed 04:57, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Given that this user's first edit was to install popups I'm thinking that we've got a sockpuppet that is being used disruptively counter to sock policy (particularly given the above cites -which are normally known by someone with a bit more experience that this user-). Wasn't there a user named Courtney Atkins (or something like that) who was banned? I ask that because this user's edits evoke that image. (→Netscott) 05:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Look closely. Here, he replaced "men" with "niggers". I can say this is not acceptable behaviour. pschemp | talk 05:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Well given the uncivil (CIV) usage of the phrase "rule whore" above... I suppose that shouldn't be too surprising. (→Netscott) 05:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that female buttocks picture is copyvio and I've seen it before. Wasn't it deleted here in some incarnation? The heavy pixellation suggests he didn't really take it, only learned what lisence to use to get around copyvio photos being deleted. I blocked for 24 hours for incivility and racial slurs. pschemp | talk 05:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking the same thing about that image... occam's razor says that would be the case given this user's history of image "fair usage". I suspect we'll be hearing more about this editor. Hopefully someone will recognize him as a sock and we can run a check user to see who we're working with here. Well done on the block pschemp. (→Netscott) 05:39, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Hopefully someone will recognize that image. I swear we deleted it once already under a different name. pschemp | talk 05:41, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Here it is, total copyvio from flickr . It was already removed from that page once and deleted. Extending block. pschemp | talk 05:51, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I bumped into Mactabbed early in his editing here with his edits to the Alexis Malone and Courtney Simpson articles. You can see a summary of what occurred between the two of us in my post to the Village pump. So his allegations about stalking and wikilawyering were made against me first, and I have to be honest, Mactabbed is definately not on my friend list. I think Netscott is accurate in that Mactabbed is someone who has a good deal of experience with Misplaced Pages, given how quick he was to throw around the charge of Wikilawyering. Tabercil 05:51, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

He's more than likely a sock of a banned editor. Possibly the one that put that copyvio image in to begin with. pschemp | talk 05:57, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

So you found the source of that image and determined that he lied about taking it himself. I'm thinking that an indef. is in order here. (→Netscott) 05:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I gave him a week, but what do others think? He's pretty obviously up to no good. If someone wants to extend, go ahead.pschemp | talk 06:03, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I suggest an indef. because this user is knowingly putting the project in jeapordy with the copyvio images (and who knows what else?). This person if they come back is just going to continue to be a problem. (→Netscott) 06:07, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, and if he does come back, he'll be easy to keep an eye on. We'll see. pschemp | talk 06:09, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I see no reason not to indef. Behaviours alone warrant it. The CU would be interesting, but not necessary. ++Lar: t/c 11:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Exclusive bad apple (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

• I think Mactabbed has returned. There's a new user - User:Exclusive bad apple - who has made identical edits to Mactabbed on the Courtney Simpson and Mudhoney articles. Identical first action as well - install popups. Tabercil 09:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

• Having compared this user's edits to Mactabbed's edits there is no doubt that this is the same edit-warring/disruptive individual as the currently blocked for a week User:Mactabbed. This additional sock plus the original sock should be indef. blocked. (→Netscott) 09:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• The history of the Mudhoney article is particularly indicative. (→Netscott) 10:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• The "Mac" in Mactabbed is likely a reference to Apple's Macintosh ergo "bad Apple". (→Netscott) 10:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Indef'd as sock puppet. pschemp | talk 16:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Inappropriate blocks by User:PMA

In the course of looking through Category:Requests for unblock, I've seen two instances within two weeks of what I think were rather blatantly inappropriate blocks by admin PMA (talk · contribs). Today, he blocked Elsmlie (talk · contribs) for 36 hours for "POV edits, article degradation", based on a total of five edits by Elsmie made since 20 November, all evidently made in good faith, with which PMA happened to disagree. Not only is this an abuse of blocking policy by penalising editing in a good-faith and entirely undisruptive minor content dispute, but in addition it's also a blatant case of using admin weapons against an opponent in a dispute the admin is involved in. For all I can see, no other editors were involved in the dispute at all; there was no prior warning or even discussion, nothing.

Given these rather extraordinary circumstances, I've unblocked without further consultation with PMA (but notified him, of course). I invite further review of the case by other admins. I must say that, looking into PMA's prior admin log, I can see a couple more cases of what seem at first sight to be rather questionable blocks, so I'm considering whether an admin RfC would be in order. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:44, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Assuming there's nothing more to it than those edits, I endorse unblocking. I can't see any justification for the block. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 12:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Like User:Jtdirl i feel i have been penalised by a small band for fighting POV warriors and cranks. I have been here for many years and experience has given me perhaps a "second sight" for potential problems. I admit my judgement is not always perfect - having an autistic disorder like Asperger's does that - Adam Carr acknowledged this some months ago when he and I were fighting POV warriors at Cuba-related articles - http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:BruceHallman&diff=49461797&oldid=49459999 - but i should not be persecuted for trying to do the right thing - in addition it seems that i am being wiki-watched by Future Perfect at Sunrise which i do not like and feel is unjustified.

PMA 13:15, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Just for the record, I wasn't watching you, I was routinely patrolling the requests-for-unblock category. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Generally, it's unwise for an admin to block a POV warrior that they've been actively fighting. It's better to report them and let someone else block them. --Tango 13:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

In this instance, it wasn't even a POV warrior to begin with. PMA had changed something in the article, and the other guy had reverted it - once. And I can't see how this person should be related to a "small band of fighting POV warriors" either - he seemed to have no previous history of clashes with him PMA. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

What is up with these questionable blocks (of leftists?) on the part of PMA? El_C 17:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Is mentioning Occam's Razor a threat?

Admin User:MONGO just threatened to block User:SalvNaut indefinitely for playfully suggesting that User:Tbeatty misuse use of the logical principle Occam's razor may "cut something important." Mongo left a note on SalvNaut's talk page warning against "suggesting bodily harm" and that he will block SalvNaut indefinitely." . Can someone have a word with Mongo about this? He either doesn't understand what Occam's Rasor is or he has seriously lost perspective. ... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 14:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Admin Seabhcan was blocked for making a personal attack on an editor just yesterday..so his perspective regarding personal attacks is somewhat askew is seems. Your perception that SalvNaut was being "playful" is a matter of perspective. Tbeatty said that Occum's Razor applies and SalvNaut's full comment about Occam's Razor was " Be careful with razors, you can cut something important." which I see as an implied hope of physical harm. In addition to that, SalvNaut also had to cross out a comment where he called Tbeatty a liar as shown in that diff.--MONGO 14:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Mongo, your own block record isn't a pretty sight either, so I'm surprised you raised that issue. Comments which are "a matter of perspective" are not crimes worthy of an indefinite. I suggest you are using your admin powers to bully SalvNaut. You have been in a content dispute with him for quite a while. ... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 14:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, you mean the wrongful block for 3RR which was retracted? Or the block for 15 minutes by now departed Kelly Martin which she even admitted was a poor thing for her to do. I now see you have also decided to call my efforts to keep people from posting comments that suggest bodily harm as "idiotic"...just more food for the record I guess. Perhaps the threat of an infe block is a bit much, but we routinely do block those who make a death threat and I prefer to go firm rather than be passive agressive...I'll rephrase it.--MONGO 15:09, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

That comment about being careful with razors is a pun, a play on words. We indefinitely block people for puns these days? --Tango 15:12, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The "pun" is a matter of perspective...that talk page is always heated, so it's unlikely that editors who always dispute each other there have much concern for one another...also, the threat wasn't about Occams Razor as the heading of this shows, itr was about the comment made by SalvNaut...that is the issue. If you don't know all the facts, then stay out of the argument.--MONGO 15:15, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Do you seriously think he was suggesting any kind of violence with that comment? It's a pun. There's no matter of perspective, it's just a simple pun. --Tango 15:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. I see no threat in the edit at all. Occam's Razor is the well-known philosophical/scientific principle to prefer the most simple explanation consistent with the facts. I see the suggestion that it might "cut something important" is a witty way to warn against miss-application, not a threat with bodily harm. Occam's Razor cuts crap, not meat. Also, may I suggest that all involved keep WP:AGF, WP:CIVIL, and in particular WP:COOL in mind? Thanks! --Stephan Schulz 15:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The article talkpage is always heated, so comments where one is incivil suggesting that they are even indirectly suggesting physical harm are at the very leats incivil. SlavNaut also struck out his previous comment to Tbeatty where he had called him a liar. Why don't both or either of you watchlist the talkpage for a few days and as neutral parties, ensure civility is maintained.--MONGO 15:31, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Mongo, I think you should admit that you are an active participant in that talk page discussion and at least partly responsible for some of that `heat'. It is improper to threaten your admin powers to gain the upper hand in a content dispute.... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 15:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Personally, your alteration to this new username you are using is an obvious pun on Osama bin laden. It borders on a WP:POINT violation.--MONGO 15:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me Mongo, it isn't. `al' means `the' and `bin' means `son of'. Its actually a tip of the hat to Ibin Battuta, who I'm read and enjoying at the moment. ... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 15:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Mongo, "If you don't know all the facts, then stay out of the argument" - don't WP:BITE people commenting on the case. As for SalvNaut and saying "it's unlikely that editors who always dispute each other there have much concern for one another" - that sounds like a monumental failure to Assume Good Faith. Most worrying is that you are very far from being a dispassionate observer of the SalvNaut-Tbeaty conversation. You are deeply involved in a long running content dispute against SalvNaut and for Tbeatty. It looks like you are threatening your admin powers in order to win that arguement. ... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 15:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, you mean as in cited here... whrre you protected a page and then edited it?--MONGO 15:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't really matter what other people do, and besides, protecting an article to get your version in is considerably better than blocking someone frivolously. -Amarkov _edits 15:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

SeabHcan shouldn't throw stones, is the point. "protecting an article to get your version in is considerably better than blocking someone frivolously"....I'll remember that line when you decide to become an admin...it is not a friviolous block if someone is being repeatedly incivil...as clearly demonstrated...first calling the guy a liar, which he struck out and then in the same edit, added the comment about the razor, which had nothing to do with the argument.--MONGO 15:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Mongo, you do know that Occam's Razer isn't an actual razor blade, right? ... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 15:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Mongo, User:Seabhcan's previous record is irrelevant for this dispute. He is just the messenger. As I see it from the history, User:SalvNaut made a point in the discussion and called the opposing view by User:Tbeatty "lies". This was arguably incivil, and Tbeatty called him on it (and made a counter-point, invoking Occam's Razor). SalvNaut then struck out the "lie" part and replaced it with a more neutral phrase. He also took up the Occam's Razor term and warned against blind application. I see no reason for your warning at all. --Stephan Schulz 16:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

NOTE: Mongo has again threatened SalvNaut with a block but seems to have changed his mind about the 'indefinite' part. ... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 15:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

NOTE: Mongo has now warned User:Tango ... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 16:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Even if Occum's razor were a real razor (and it's clearly not), I cannot possibly comprehend how that statement could be perceived as a threat. I'm sure you've been told at some point in your life not to run with scissors because you might cut yourself. Is that a threat??? No! -- tariqabjotu 16:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

That's a matter of perspective. The perspective is that that talk page is full of heated comments, so under the cuff commentary between two editors in constant dispute that alludes to anything suggesting physical harm is something to take note of. As shown, the previous comment was stuck out.--MONGO 17:00, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Is there anyone else with this perspective? Should you really be threatening to block a user you are having a content dispute with in such a debatable case? Wouldn't a polite warning or request for clarification be enough?... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 17:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps, but then again, this is an issue of civility in which an editor has alluded to personal harm. I may very well be the ONLY one who sees it that way. Thanks for the clarification and of course, no block has been issued or will be, at least, not by me.--MONGO 17:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

So you won't be blocking this user? Perhaps you will remove your threat to do so from the users talk page? An apology might also be propper.... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 17:23, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

wow. SchmuckyTheCat 17:12, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

User:KenL

This user is repeatedly removing information or reverting back to a much earlier version on article GoldenEye. He also might have done this anonymously. He appears to be acting in bad faith after a removal of a section of the article he added (see the discussion on the talk page). I've asked him on 3 occasions to explain his edits but he just blanks his talk page and said at one point "Any messages either from Trebor or Mark83 or whatever his name is I will not read and I will automatically blank the page. So please do not waste your time." (referring to User:Mark83, who agreed with the removal of the section and has reverted User:KenL on occasions). I'm not sure what to do - his edits don't seem to qualify as pure vandalism, but the dispute resolution process can't really deal with editors who refuse to talk. If an admin could have a look and advise on/take appropriate action. Thanks. Trebor 14:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Block request for User:Bosniak

Please consider blocking Bosniak (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) for repeated, disruptive behaviour in defiance of warnings. This behaviour includes:

• repeatedly claiming that there is a Serbian conspiracy to remove Bosniak-related information from Misplaced Pages, and repeatedly accusing various editors of being part of this conspiracy (e.g., )
• repeatedly removing correct information from or inserting incorrect information into articles, and justifying this behaviour using a spurious linguistic argument (e.g., ). (For those who want a fuller explanation, User:Bosniak has coined the term "Bosniakophobia"; he insists it is a verifiable and notable term, even though he cannot provide any references to dictionaries or websites which use it. On the other hand, he claims that the well-established term "Serbophobia" is not an English word, and falsely claims that it is an invention of Serbs which is used only on Misplaced Pages. However, Serbophobia#External links and Serbophobia#References provide links to plenty of non-Misplaced Pages uses of the term.)
• disrupting Misplaced Pages to make a point by nominating Serbophobia for deletion (Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Serbophobia (third nomination)) in retaliation for someone having nominated one of his articles for deletion (Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Bosniakophobia)
• AfD vote tampering through changing four other users' votes from "Keep" to "Delete"
• AfD vote tampering through voting multiple times (see Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Serbophobia (third nomination))
• repeatedly inserted unsourced material to articles after editors have insisted that he provide a citation
• removing AfD tags
• removing speedy deletion tags
• reposting disputed merge tags
• various POV edits to various articles, including Anti-Bosniak sentiment, Srebrenica massacre, List of Bosniaks
• repeatedly uploading files (possibly the same image) without specifying source and copyright information (Image:Srebrenica Child Raped Hung.jpg, Image:Srebrenica Child Hung.jpg, Image:Bosnian girl raped by serbs.jpeg)

You can view the numerous warnings User:Bosniak has been given on his talk page. User:Bosniak has been previously blocked twice for personal attacks and legal threats. —Psychonaut 14:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Also note the somewhat uncivil post in reference to the tagging of an article for speedy deletion (previously created 2006-01-05) leading to Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Bosniakophobia and the multiple vote stacking there

User:Bosniak appears to be a nationalistic POV warrior. He has repeatedly made POV edits, attempted to disrupt WP with bad-faith AfD noms (see diffs provided by Psychonaut and altered (or deleted) other editor's comments. A block seems appropriate as an object lesson that this is not acceptable behavious since multiple warnings have been ignored. Also, this editor should be monitored for further violations. Doc Tropics 16:23, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

If I'd seen it, I'd have just blocked him for at least a month for the vote tampering. That is so far from anything related to "good faith" that it's not even really worth discussing. --jpgordon 17:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, now that you've seen it here, why don't you go ahead and block him? —Psychonaut 17:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

VaughanWatch Username Vio, Block evading

PM Chef (talk · contribs) is a clear username violation, it's VaughanWatch/Johnny Canuck trying to impersonate me using me old username. Indef block please? -- Chabuk 17:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Done. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 17:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Serial WP:POINT violations on my talk page

I'm involved in a content dispute with vintagekits (talk · contribs) (see discussion at ) which has spilled over onto my talk page. I gave them a polite warning for canvassing due to this edit. Now they have added an entirely spurious canvassing warning to my own talk page (actual edit they're referring to is a {{prodwarning}} template) and are edit-warring to keep it there . This also happened yesterday when I put a civil0 and civil1 tag on their page after these uncivil edits — they placed the exact same tags on my own talk page and edit-warred to keep them there.

This is starting to come close to harrassment, so can an administrator have a quick word and tell them to knock it off? Thanks! Demiurge 17:46, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I actually would like you to knock it off, you are never off my talk page, you are just bitter because people dont agree with you on every issue Vintagekits 17:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

This is total bull, you come on my talk page accusing me of thing that you have been doing also. A case of the pot calling the kettle black imo Vintagekits 17:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

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