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			== MUZ Pakistan Pvt.LTD ==

			MUZ Pakistan is a company / agency of social media marketing, Graphic Designing and many online works. It is situated in Kasur, Punjab Pakistan at a beautiful place.It is founded by Usama CH in 2017.Its main branch is at Kasur Pakistan and it has many sub branches in Lahore, Islamabad , Karachi , Fasilabad, Peshawar. It becoming a largest platform for world wide freelancers and online workers.
			It is famous in Pakistan's cities for Social Media marketing,Web Designing,Software,Digital Marketing,Freelancing services.
			is the founder of MUZ Pakistan, He is a Software Engineer, Digital Marketer and also a successful businessman from Lahore Pakistan. He learned Business from England and also from Pakistan.
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Make it Clear: Mutual Intelligibility of Urdu with Hindi, but not Urdu with Arabic and Persian/Farsi

Dear all and To editor Fowler&fowler:,

Urdu being a form of standard register of Hindustani, is mutually intelligible with Hindi as they share the grammar, construction, conjunctions ... and even the accent, they are linguistically same language even though "the large religious and political differences make much of the little linguistic differences (between Urdu and Hindi)", see reference

An Introduction to Sociolinguistics By Ronald Wardhaugh, Janet M. Fuller, Wiley & Sons. 2015. pp30]. Hindi and Urdu are not mutually intelligible with Arabic or Persian. Even Hindi has loan words from English and writing Hindi in Latin script does not make it mutually intelligible with Latin, English or French. None of these four are mutually intelligible, all are from Indo-European family and last three use Latin script. Even Hindi is not mutually intelligible with Sanskrit from which it draws heavily and shares the Devnagri script with. In fact variations of Arabic, though they sue same nastaliq script, are not mutually intelligible with each other, let alone being mutually intelligible with Urdu. See this reference The article mentions that Urdu draws from Hindi, Arabic and Persian. Article also makes it clear that Hindi and Urdu are mutually intelligible, this needs to be made clear that urdu is not mutual intelligibility with Arabic and Persian.

It will also be useful to include the reason why Urdu is mutually intelligible with Hindi and not with Arabic and Persian. "two closely related and by and large mutually intelligible speech varieties may be considered separate languages if they are subject to separate institutionalisation contexts, e.g. official speech forms of different states and state institutions, or of different religious ethinic communities. Examples of such language paris are Norwegian and Swedish, Hindi and Urdu", see reference The same source further clarifies that, "on the other hand, speech varieties that differ considerably in structure and are not always mutually intelligible, such as Moroccan Arabic, Yemeni Arabic and Lebanese Arabic." Those who want to understand the concept of mutual intelligibility in more detail please refer to this source, last para on page to page 8 and separate language versus dialect and this.

I suggest the following: 1. include the statement upfront (the current unofficial "exec summary" type section on top) that while Urdu is mutually intelligible with Hindi but not with other. 2. include a subheading in the article to discuss the mutual intelligibility of urdu with languages it borrows from. The central logic being that the "base" of Urdu is Khadiboli (Hindustani), and there are other toppings added to it including Hindi, Arabic, Persian and Chagatai, etc. Among those it is MI with Hindustani and not with the rest for the reasons mentioned above. The concept of Hindi and Urdu being two language could politically motivated but their mutual intelligibility is not subject to the political consideration but to linguistic considerations.

Discuss it here please.

Thanks Being.human (talk)

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Absurd etymology taking loanwords

Horde is a loanword, so it's really a bad example. Reading the article, we think that it has the same Indo-European root in Urdu and in English. That's totally wrong and absurd. Some words exist with the same roots in Romance or Germanic languages and in Urdu, but for a loanword, it's cheating. It's like saying a loanword in Urdu, taken from the English language, has the same root. It's absurd.

It has been taken in English from French, "horde" is the French form (the "h" and the final "e" are typical in French), and in French, it has been taken from Tartar "orda", and Turkish and Mongol "ordu". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.91.248.85 (talk) 07:52, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

"Bad example" of what? What part of the article are you objecting to? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:49, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

11th most spoken language in world

Urdu 11th most spoken language in world: Study.— Bukhari (Talk!) 05:40, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

please remove the lnigua franca words from here and urdu has nothing to do with india,its official language of pakistan and only for pakistan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.62.72.17 (talk) 14:55, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

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Please add that Urdu is dialect of Hindi spoken by Muslims 174.192.7.65 (talk) 22:13, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 22:34, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

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MUZ Pakistan Pvt.LTD

MUZ Pakistan is a company / agency of social media marketing, Graphic Designing and many online works. It is situated in Kasur, Punjab Pakistan at a beautiful place.It is founded by Usama CH in 2017.Its main branch is at Kasur Pakistan and it has many sub branches in Lahore, Islamabad , Karachi , Fasilabad, Peshawar. It becoming a largest platform for world wide freelancers and online workers. It is famous in Pakistan's cities for Social Media marketing,Web Designing,Software,Digital Marketing,Freelancing services. CEO/Founder is the founder of MUZ Pakistan, He is a Software Engineer, Digital Marketer and also a successful businessman from Lahore Pakistan. He learned Business from England and also from Pakistan. Usamach882 (talk) 04:45, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

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