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Created page: List of universities and colleges in Davao City‎

Since the education section was written like a list as to what Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Lists says, I therefore edited the education section by moving the lists of schools to List of universities and colleges in Davao City‎. My basis was to how Zamboanga City and Bacolod was written in their education section.

You may reply on this thread if you have any concerns to what I've made. You can also check the talk page of List of universities and colleges in Davao City‎ to further discuss this matter.

Thanks and good day! Bumbl_loid (talk) 04:39, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

nPOV Dispute - Lead section

I would like to dispute once again this article, acertain to what was written by user:zzz for some reasons:

1. It might sound contradictory as to what the national media suggests that Davao City was the "Safest City in the World", one link given by user:zzz had pointed out that Davao City was given a Seal of Good Local Governance and the Most Child Friendly City for highly-urbanized city category in 2015; of which the national government is giving such recognition based on the city's performance, especially on it's law and order.

Said seal is given to a city that performed well in terms of Law and Order, Local Ordinance implementations, and Good Governance. This had been properly reviewed based on the data provided by the police reports, Commission on Audit, and the Philippine Statistics Authority. And despite to the "police data" (as what was reported by The Guardian) has shown, Davao police debunked that accusations that the crime rate of their City was high. Local police suggests that of the data they had provided, only 36% were listed as crimes, says to one reporting in CNN Philippines, and that the others are attributed to the non-index crimes.

Non-index crimes are the highest in the Philippines as what was once said here, and thus index crimes are lower in comparison. Thus, data shown by The Guardian do include the non-index crimes, and therefore should not be the basis to how safe a certain place is. (Note: The data that is implying by The Guardian is the same data that once in question by Mar Roxas, a presidential candidate back in 2016).

For further reading about the Seal of Good Local Governance, check this link.

2. As to what WP:CITSTRUCT suggests, this writing should be fall under the history of Davao City, not in the lead section. There is also a section provided under "Law and Order" I suggest it should have been written there.

If we agree to what user:zzz wrote about this article, then neither London should be tagged as "More Dangerous City than of New York" as to what The Telegraph suggests, and thus should be written this on London's lead section. Crimes in London should also be highlighted on the lead section and shall be do the same to other cities....in which I highly contradict, and therefore must be resolved here with Davao City's article. Crime in London is really high though, says The Guardian. But as for London, it had provided a special section under "Policing and crime" where it highlights the criminal statistics of the said city. This haven't written otherwise on the lead section since this had being suggested to how WP:CITSTRUCT is suggesting and thus Davao City should be written as the same.

Also, please see WP:MOSPHIL to further review the lead section. I would suggest that this should have this be removed on the lead section and instead to be written under the History, or in the Law and Order section. For somehow, I had tried this once in order to uniform the article as to what WP: MOSPHIL and WP:CITSTRUCT suggests, but user:zzz disagrees the edit as if that this article is his own, leading to a short edit war between us a few days ago. I hope he is aware about WP:OWN as one had suggested this earlier on the previous nPOV Dispute.

I also noticed that the old nPOV Dispute was removed without a proper disclosure to concerning parties. It was once suggested by user:ChinChinhan that he would use the term "fallaciously" instead of "incorrectly", but neither which has been followed.

Therefore, I would like to give concensus to this dispute to be reviewed by everyone and that the nPOV Dispute shall only be removed once conditions had met. Bumbl_loid (talk) 20:39, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

To add, I would like to also debunk the statement that the national media here had incorrectly reported Davao City as the safest city. In fact, they even highlighted the real situation in Davao City, tagging as the 4th highest in terms of index crimes. This had been reported by The Philippine Star in 2016, ABS CBN in 2015, Vera Files in 2017 (with data from 2014-2016), and GMA News in 2016.

To recall, "The Safest City" branding was tagged in Davao back in 2015. And tho unlike what was written by user:zzz, national media did their part to report the real status of the city. To what user:zzz has written, I say this may fall to the writer's point of view, in which violates the neutrality of this article. With the guidelines written at WP:NPOV, opinions should not be regarded as facts. Therefore, to tag national media being bias to their reporting about Davao, but in which was not as to what my examples had given earlier, therefore it is best to have it removed.

Anyhow, Davao City's tag as the "safest city" was been debunked as well and has been agreed to be removed from the article. On the other hand, the crime rate should better be written at the Law and Order section as it was been provided in the very beginning, and this must not even to summarized at the lead section. Otherwise, other cities with troubling crimes like of London should follow the same format. Bumbl_loid (talk) 02:58, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

The crime rate has been discussed, see above. You should suggest improvements to the London article at Talk:London. I fail to see any relevance. zzz (talk) 09:45, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

What? So you want a negative connotations to all cities in Wikipidia, even if you won't follow the any of Wikipidian standards? Futhermore, Davao Death Squad was given an article. It was even linked here.

Now I see your real intention to Davao City article. Political issues, stands or opinions isn't welcome here. Bumbl_loid (talk) 13:51, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

And neither is attacking then user, not what they say.Slatersteven (talk) 14:43, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

AS to the topic, as far as I can tell the sources say it is one of the safest, not the safest. So do we have any sources that dispute that?Slatersteven (talk) 14:53, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Slatersteven See the Law and order section of the article. zzz (talk) 14:57, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Synthesis, we can only say what RS say not what we infer them to say. To illustrate, have you tabulated all of the crime figures for all of the cities in the world?. If so , which 10 cities have lower violent crime rates then Davoa?Slatersteven (talk) 15:09, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

To be clear, are you saying you would remove the word "incorrectly" in "Davao has been incorrectly described as one of the world's safest cities in national media reports"? The word (or "falsely" or whatever) was originally added by another editor, but I thought it was fair. WP:BLUESKY zzz (talk) 15:22, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, unless RS say it is incorrect we cannot.Slatersteven (talk) 15:32, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

You could be right, I have removed it. zzz (talk) 15:35, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Now it looks as though Misplaced Pages is allowing Numbeo as a WP:RS, unfortunately. zzz (talk) 15:43, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

I have reverted my revert. This has been stable for a while. Maybe someone else will offer an opinion. zzz (talk) 15:45, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

The Guardian ref states "On the back of his claims of having established law and order in Davao, Duterte, 72, was seen as a strong man, a saviour and an antidote to the “narco” state the Philippines had apparently spiralled into. But behind the bluster the statistics don’t lie: Davao still has the highest murder rate in the country and the second highest number of rapes, according to national police data for 2010-15." Statistics don't lie, i.e. the claim is a lie. Not synth, it's there in the source. zzz (talk) 18:12, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Not really, as the claim is "the world", not "the Philippines". Also murder (and/or rape) is not the only crime looked at for safety. Thus this does not show the claims it is the "X safest city in the world" is false.Slatersteven (talk) 12:50, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

"Not really, as the claim is "the world", not "the Philippines"." Could you spell out what you mean by that. (If you are saying what I think you are saying, then I would have to disagree.) zzz (talk) 19:51, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

What it says, our article says "one of the safest cities in the world", thus (even if we accept that only rape and murder count towards that) your source only talks about its statistics with regards to the Philippines.Slatersteven (talk) 09:26, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, it says it's not one of the safest cities in the Philippines - i.e. - it's not one of the safest cities in the world. It would just confuse readers to equivocate about that. Also it's not clear to me what would be the alternative to the current lead. zzz (talk) 10:48, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

No that is OR, I can find a source that does not say tat the French won Austerlitz, that does not mean they won the Napoleonic wars. So we cannot say the claim that "it is one of the safest cities in the world" is incorrect, we have no source that says that (or even that it is incorrect for the Philippines). As it does not say that.Slatersteven (talk) 11:23, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

It's a lot simpler as I see it: I can find a source that says Napoleon died before he was 80. That does also mean that he died before he was 100. zzz (talk) 11:52, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

But the difference here is that you cannot die after you have died, you can be the safest city in the world and still have a higher murder rate then anywhere else, murder (and indeed rape) is not the only crime against the person.Slatersteven (talk) 11:57, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

You can be the safest city while having the highest murder and rape rate, in your theory, but you cannot be a vampire? zzz (talk) 12:05, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

odWhat? I am removing the claim as unsourced.Slatersteven (talk) 12:11, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Numbeo is not a reliable source. zzz (talk) 12:16, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

We are not using it as a source.Slatersteven (talk) 12:21, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

wow Signedzzz you just vanish one major contributor, because of you he left wikipedia.

Neutrality

This article does not mention the Davao Death Squad. zzz (talk) 07:59, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Which is odd, So why not?Slatersteven (talk) 14:42, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Problematically Structured/Opinionated Sections

Upon editing this article, I have found many grammatical and citation issues. There are also many claims that are not cited. One example:

"There are also Indonesians, Malaysians, Koreans and Indians living in the city. ESL schools for foreigners, and export-oriented industrial parks to entice Japanese and (South) Korean firms to set up shop in the city. However, there were also some cultural conflicts in the integration of Koreans in the city, as the then-city mayor Rodrigo Duterte complained about their habit of smoking in public places."

First, where is the evidence that ESL schools were put up simply to entice businessmen to move to Davao? Second, there is something wrong with the link. There is a reference for this section, but the link appears to be broken. EngLitMajorInBilbao (talk) 22:53, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Davao City

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Davao City's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Human Rights Watch":

• From Rodrigo Duterte: ""You Can Die Any Time" Death Squad Killings in Mindanao" (PDF). www.hrw.org. Human Rights Watch. Retrieved September 6, 2014.
• From Davao Death Squad: ""You Can Die Any Time" Death Squad Killings in Mindanao" (PDF). www.hrw.org. Human Rights Watch. Retrieved 6 September 2014.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 01:03, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

DDS

User:103.44.234.66 please explain how the Davao Death Squad is not "directly related" to Davao. Thanks. zzz (talk) 08:23, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

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