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The but that does not solve the FV problem. ] (]) 01:28, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
The but that does not solve the FV problem. ] (]) 01:28, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
:The significant part of the re-formatting was including a URL from where you can download the PDF. The discussion of nicotine salts is on pages 95-96. I agree that this source does not state that there are potential health risks. It does talk about how nicotine salts (benzoate or lactate, in various brands) are produced and delivered as an aerosol, but does not specifically talk about the health risk. On the other hand, page does talk about the health effects of benzoic acid, and that juul pods contain more benzoic acid than other brands.
:The significant part of the re-formatting was including a URL from where you can download the PDF. The discussion of nicotine salts is on pages 95-96. I agree that this source does not state that there are potential health risks. It does talk about how nicotine salts (benzoate or lactate, in various brands) are produced and delivered as an aerosol, but does not specifically talk about the health risk. On the other hand, page does talk about the health effects of benzoic acid, and that juul pods contain more benzoic acid than other brands.
::This and other content FV. How much longer is the failed verification (and unsourced) content going to remain in the article? See "Pod mods contain a disposable cartridge and are different from e-cigarettes and vapes as the coils are not removed or changed." The source refers to Juul not pod mods in general. See "Many organizations including Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration’s National Registry of Evidence-Based Programs and Practices aim to educate students and teachers about the health-related risks of using pod mods and such products." This also FV. See "Some companies have been required to provide information on how their products of pods will not be marketed towards young people and how they will deter these users from their products." This also FV. ] (]) 04:20, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
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After looking at all the articles, I am finding quite a bit referring to specifically this type of device as separate from e-cigarettes due to the different delivery mechanism of nicotine (and the higher content delivered). There are a ton of blogs in the middle of this but mainstream news sites are reporting on them. Usually the Juul system but there are others mentioned in the articles as well. spryde | talk20:12, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Yet pod mods clearly use heating (butane or electric) and are a lower temperature than combustion of tobacco. Products from Ploom, developers of the pod mod, are even noted in the heat-not-burn product article. As a form of e-cigarette technology, it remains unclear why e-cigarette itself is categorized here, but QuackGuru believes that pod mods should not be. Please explain. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:53, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Why is a pod mod not a heat-not-burn product? What is the difference? They use heat to produce an aerosol. They do not combust the source liquid. Why do you exclude them? Where is your source which says that pod mods are not heat-not-burn products?
WP:BLUESKY, same as all the other synonyms given for it at Heat-not-burn_product#cite_note-33. The citations there are not stating "Electric cancer stick is a synonym for heat-not-burn product", yet WP is happy to use them, on the basis of shared technical features (the low-temperature heating of nicotine-containing liquids to produce an aerosol), rather than on any linguistic claim. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:35, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
This article does not mention heat-not-burn products. A pod mod is not a synonym or a type of heat-not-burn product. I asked for a reliable source that says "pod mods" are heat-not-burn products. QuackGuru (talk) 15:42, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Are you instead limiting "heat-not-burn" to the non-liquid systems alone? i.e. those with dry shredded tobacco in a solid short-use cartridge, rather than the liquid-supplied vaping systems? That would indeed exclude pod mods, but it also excludes half of the synonyms which heat-not-burn is currently listing. What is your basis for that narrowing? Andy Dingley (talk) 16:41, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
There was no basis for narrowing. It was not about narrowing. No source indicates pod mods are heat-not-burn products. You have refused to provide a source stating that pod mods are heat-not-burn products. QuackGuru (talk) 17:20, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
See "Pod mods come in varying shapes and sizes and some resemble USB devices." See "The palm-sized device resembles a USB flash drive..." That is only about Juul and it does not verify "varying shapes and sizes". "Juul resembles a USB device." would be sourced content. QuackGuru (talk) 18:33, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
This article says "Pod mods are portable devices that people use to smoke..."
This article also says "As these devices are created with the intent of replicating smoke produced from traditional cigarettes,.." Which is it? They produce smoke or replace smoke? Both sentences are unsourced. That is part of the problem. QuackGuru (talk) 22:08, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Failed verification content
See "Research reveals potential health risks in aerosolizing nicotine salts and metal toxins that are produced." The 2018 book mentions nicotine salts in passing. It does not verify this claim. QuackGuru (talk) 23:44, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
The significant part of the re-formatting was including a URL from where you can download the PDF. The discussion of nicotine salts is on pages 95-96. I agree that this source does not state that there are potential health risks. It does talk about how nicotine salts (benzoate or lactate, in various brands) are produced and delivered as an aerosol, but does not specifically talk about the health risk. On the other hand, this National Center for Health Research page does talk about the health effects of benzoic acid, and that juul pods contain more benzoic acid than other brands.
This and other content FV. How much longer is the failed verification (and unsourced) content going to remain in the article? See "Pod mods contain a disposable cartridge and are different from e-cigarettes and vapes as the coils are not removed or changed." The source refers to Juul not pod mods in general. See "Many organizations including Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration’s National Registry of Evidence-Based Programs and Practices aim to educate students and teachers about the health-related risks of using pod mods and such products." This also FV. See "Some companies have been required to provide information on how their products of pods will not be marketed towards young people and how they will deter these users from their products." This also FV. QuackGuru (talk) 04:20, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
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