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Comment

In the section "HALLEY'S COMET", instead of "according to the Armenian and Italian researchers" should be written the correct information and the journal reference, namely: "according to V.G.Gurzadyan and R.Vardanian, "Astronomy & Geophysics, Journal of Royal Astronomical Society, London, vol. 45 (4, August), p.4.06, 2004; http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0405073

Question

Why is this ruler called Tigranes I in Misplaced Pages, when the books I've been reading call him Tigranes II? Is this because he was the first Tigranes to rule the Seleucid empire, but not the first to rule Armenia? Does anyone know? Isomorphic 03:17, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Answer

Because it's a mistake. Tigrane II is the only one known in History to rule the Seleucid empire, but not the first to rule Armenia, that's why he is called I by some people. But Tigrane The Great is Tigrane II.

In regards to recent edits by Azeri Turkish editors

The following passage from Iranica clarifies on their evident confusion:

The Armenian historical tradition (found chiefly in Ps.-Movsês Xorenac'i) represented the earlier, national Artaxiads and the Armenian Arsacids as their direct continuation, creating thus an imbroglio from the effects of which Armenian historiography has only recently succeeded in freeing itself. A list of the Arsacid kings of Armenia will be found at the end of this article. http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/History/ashkanian/arsacid_armenia.htm --Eupator 19:36, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

In regards to ethnic Armenian editors' confusion

It seems like some confuse Arsacid/Arsakuni dynasty with Artaxiads. Of course, Tigranes II Great was an Artaxiad, and was ethnic Armenian. Secondly, one article cannot disprove tonnes of references and writings by all relevant Armenian chroniclers, as well as ancient Byzantin historians and modern Armenian scholars. --AdilBaguirov 05:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I have to respectfully disagree – the medieval chroniclers are important if they are properly translated and edited, have substantial commentaries by modern day scholars, and coincide with what several other contemporary and modern sources say. And the information about Tigranes II Great being ethnic Armenian is fully in accordance and compliance with these requirements and standards. In fact, as I said, in Armenian schools, at least universities, they do teach about Parthian ethnicity of Tigranes II and all other rulers of Armenia from his dynasty, as well as about all the other Armenian dynasties (a separate topic of discussion). Thus it is surprising to witness the reaction. Of course, they were still kings of Armenia, and very often ruling dynasties were not of the same ethnicity as majority of the population -- e.g., Russia, India, China, etc.

It should be noted that Agatangelos, the very first historian of Armenia, was also Armenian, and not Greek.

5) Finally, there are two non-Armenian medieval chroniclers, one Byzantine Procopius of Caesarea, who wrote in 560 AD, and the other Jewish chronicler, Joseph Flavius (37-100 AD):

http://www.miriobiblion.narod.ru/prokopij/p_aed3.htm

КНИГА ТРЕТЬЯ

Gentlemen, I have protected the page because of the slow edit warring that was going on. I would suggest that you discuss the issue here. Provide reliable sources (just a name is not enough, cite the boook, article or what ever in detail) for you claims and counter claims. Just inserting and removing stuff is not going to work, and is very annoying. -- Kim van der Linde 21:48, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I have provided all the sources on this talk page already -- what else do you need? Even one such source is enough -- and I've provided almost a dozen, with URLs, all from either Armenian, or Jewish, or Byzantim, or Soviet-Russian sources. If the Armenian editor dislikes this, it is not grounds to ignore this well-known evidence. Once again, upon the first request I've already provided all the references and one has to simply follow those links to verify it. Thus, my edit has to be restored. --AdilBaguirov 22:20, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

OK, here's the English translation of the selected sentences from the Russian-language sources I've provided before:

1) Flavius Josephus (37-100 AD), "Jewish War", Book I, Chapter 18.

"After a certain time, Anthony appeared from Parthian march, he carried with himself the captured son of Tigran, Artavazd, as a gift to Cleopatra, so along that with all the treasure and the whole bounty to her, the Armenian was also given."

The Armenian website (http://www.armenianchurchyouth.com/heritage/history/vartan/events.html) estimates that date being 34BC: "55-34 B.C. Reign of Artavazd II in Armenia fights as an ally of Parthians, is captured and exiled by Mark Anthony."

Obviously, if the son of Tigran II Great was Armenian, so was his father. Next:

I have to question this conclusion because the son of Tigran II had another parent: his mother. What nationality was she? Armenian? And if this dynasty continued to take for their wives daughters of the local Armenian nobility, wouldn't there come a point when they must be considered Armenian? -- llywrch 16:43, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Nationality is passed through the father in the Caucasus and most of the world. On the top of that, Tigranes' mother was Armenian, as there is no evidenceof that and no need for that -- virtually the entire leadership of Armenia, majority of cities populations, etc., were non Armenian. The Armenian kings were slowly Armenianized only later in ADs. There is a book in Armenia, written by an Armenian of course, which shows that at least 1/3 of queens of Armenia were Armenian in origin. But anyways - Tigranes was Armenian, as all specialized research affirms he was of Iranian or Parthian origin. --AdilBaguirov 12:55, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, your statement surprises me! You may be right about the practice in Africa or the Far East, but in my experience (admittedly limited to Europe and North America), nationality is passed along from both parents. But in any case, could you permit the possibility of another opinion on the matter, especially as you admit that there is "no evidence" about Tigranes' mother's nationality? A statement along the lines of saying that he was "of Pathenian ancestory" would undoubtedly satisfy both schools of thought on the matter.

The population of the cities in Armenia was not mixed Persians. Armenians were forming dominant part of the cities' population .

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Kill the messenger?

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Lucullus' reaction was an attack that was so precipitate that he took Tigranes by surprise. According to Roman historians Mithrobazanes, one of Tigranes' generals, told Tigranes of the Roman approach. Tigranes was, according to Keaveney, so impressed by Mithrobazanes' courage that he appointed Mithrobazanes to command an army against Lucullus – Mithrobazanes was however defeated and killed.

Is the courage unexplainedly attributed to Mithrobazanes because a previous messenger had lost his head for warning of Lucullus' approach? Or is that story here being garbled in a different way? Andyvphil (talk) 08:58, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

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Where was Tigran the great born?

According to the Armenian Misplaced Pages article about him, he was born in Arzanene. No source is given, though, so make of that what you will. English sources don't seem to make any mention of his birthplace. Yunshui _水 15:56, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.24.186.141 (talk) 19:40, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

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