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:I'm thinking maybe I had a visit from ] disguised as a 500 lb gorilla, and the message is....{{xt|''Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.''}} ] <sub>]</sub> ] 20:18, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
:I'm thinking maybe I had a visit from ] disguised as a 500 lb gorilla, and the message is....{{xt|''Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.''}} ] <sub>]</sub> ] 20:18, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
== FYI ==
–== FYI ==
I think you were wise to remove that comment. In passing, ] doesn't mention the Republican Party either, and neither, I think, does ] despite there being a white nationalist in charge of immigration policy right now. The Klan article, however, does mention the Democratic Party, and the articles on ] and ] explain the switch. It's alarming to me, as a Briton, how many Americans are unaware of this history and are still susceptible to the lie that the Democrats are the party of slavery. ''']''' <small>(])</small> 17:57, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
I think you were wise to remove that comment. In passing, ] doesn't mention the Republican Party either, and neither, I think, does ] despite there being a white nationalist in charge of immigration policy right now. The Klan article, however, does mention the Democratic Party, and the articles on ] and ] explain the switch. It's alarming to me, as a Briton, how many Americans are unaware of this history and are still susceptible to the lie that the Democrats are the party of slavery. ''']''' <small>(])</small> 17:57, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
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:::Makes sense, PME. You know...if I was living in ] right now, I might be focused on the Prince Andrew–Epstein scandal, and what the is planning to broadcast involving the allegations of sex slavery, the latter of which continues globally today and dates further back in time than a single century. I truly appreciate the BBC and trust their reporting far more than what I've been seeing from US media outlets of late. I'm also concerned, relative to the above, that if we're changing the retrospectives and narratives of what historians and academics have documented for nearly a century, what incentive do we have to trust contemporary retrospectives from historians and academics using today's standards? It's a Catch 22. ] <sub>]</sub> ] 19:38, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
:::Makes sense, PME. You know...if I was living in ] right now, I might be focused on the Prince Andrew–Epstein scandal, and what the is planning to broadcast involving the allegations of sex slavery, the latter of which continues globally today and dates further back in time than a single century. I truly appreciate the BBC and trust their reporting far more than what I've been seeing from US media outlets of late. I'm also concerned, relative to the above, that if we're changing the retrospectives and narratives of what historians and academics have documented for nearly a century, what incentive do we have to trust contemporary retrospectives from historians and academics using today's standards? It's a Catch 22. ] <sub>]</sub> ] 19:38, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
::Basically, the Republican and Democratic parties of the late 1800s have completely traded places as of the parties in 2019. My (]) summary of why is that Democrat ] enacted civil rights legislation in the 1960s, and then ] migrated to the Republican party over the next few decades. --] (]) 23:57, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
::Basically, the Republican and Democratic parties of the late 1800s have completely traded places as of the parties in 2019. My (]) summary of why is that Democrat ] enacted civil rights legislation in the 1960s, and then ] migrated to the Republican party over the next few decades. --] (]) 23:57, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
*JzG...you need to quit while you're ahead. Your ignorance regarding American history is unbecoming and frankly having a Brit tell "us" how misinformed we are about our own history is total bullshit. This nonstop sneering and insulting provocations you do daily are making editing in AmPol nearly untenable. You want to make daily insults and provocations and denounce half the population of the USA then find some blog to do that at. I dont give a rats ass what you "think" about conservatives, the Republican party or Donald Trump. Your conduct is unbecoming an administrator and a detriment to collaborative editing.--] (]) 00:27, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
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So many unanswered questions
I still have so many unanswered questions. I don't know who let the dogs out...where's the beef...how to get to Sesame Street...why Dora doesn't just use Google Maps...why do all flavors of Fruit Loops taste exactly the same...why eggs are packaged in flimsy styrofoam or paper cartons, but batteries are packaged in plastic that's tough as nails...why women can't put on mascara with their mouth closed...why "abbreviated" is such a long word...why lemon juice is made with artificial flavor, but dishwashing liquid is made with real lemons...why they sterilize the needle for lethal injections...why you "put your two cents in", but it's only a "penny for your thoughts" - who's getting that extra penny...why does the Alphabet Song and Twinkle Twinkle Little Star have the same tune, and why did you just try to sing those two songs...exactly what is Victoria's secret...why does Hawaii have interstate highways...why do we park in a driveway and drive on a parkway...why is there braille on drive-thru ATMs...and why you think I'm really this witty. I actually got this from a friend, who stole it from her brother’s girlfriend’s uncle’s cousin who lived next door to an old classmate’s mailman. Now it is your turn to take it from me. Copy/paste, and enjoy your day!
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Dr. Rick Rigsby’s commencement address.
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There has to be some merit to “ignorance is bliss"
And there comes a time when we have to rethink some of the terms we use in the English language. 11:11, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Snake in the bullpen
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You look like rookies
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treating each other civilly
accepting the possibility that your own actions might not have been correct
trying to work out the best thing to do for the project without concern for you own egos.
I don't know where you people think you are, but you definitely don't understand how WP:AN is supposed to work. Where's the disrespect? The attacking of each other's characters and motives? The entertaining temper tantrums? Please immediately review other threads on this noticeboard, so you can better participate in WP:AN. Right now you look like rookies.
I don't do AFD, so I have no opinion on whether to relist or not (couldn't hurt, tho, right?), but that's a good example of what should be going on here; useless babble without any helpful outcome. --barneca (talk) 9:57 pm, 16 September 2008, Tuesday (10 years, 8 months, 12 days ago) (UTC−5)
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To say it in WikiVoice, or not??
While this list of sources is really good and does establish "commonly used by reliable sources" I think we should additionally ask ourselves - what added benefit is there to Misplaced Pages saying it "in our own voice" as against simply reporting in a neutral manner that it is common for his comments to be described as racist.
As of this moment, we are engaging in what I think is admirable short-term restraint. We say in the lede "He has a history of making controversial comments." That's fine as far as it goes, because 'controversial comments' is true, and is neither positive nor negative as an evaluation. Sometimes controversial comments are good, sometimes they are bad. Fine.
But we are at the same time here being too cautious, I think, in that we fail to inform the reader as to why the comments are controversial. Is he saying things that might be controversial in Iowa like "Gay marriage should be legal" or "Marijuana prohibition has done more harm than good"? No, actually.
So I think we should cautiously say something like "He has a history of making comments that have commonly been referred to as racist." Well, maybe 9 footnotes is excessive, but you see my point. We have more than enough to make the point that the reader needs to know, and I think the point is stronger than if we simply say, in our own voice, that he has a history of making racist comments. --Jimbo Wales (talk) 9:57 am, 19 June 2018, Tuesday (19 days ago) (UTC−5)
To include it in a BLP, or not??
BLPs wherein a subject's work, beliefs or ideologies are perhaps more controversial than the actual subject, should not become focused on bolstering and subsequently refuting the subject's views or theories rather than actually defining the subject. In many cases this may in fact be due to the subject trying to push their own ideas, while others work diligently to refute them, but many such cases involve editors who have no affiliation with the subject other than a personal belief/disbelief in their work. A person's biography is not a good place to debate scientific theory or ideological beliefs; such debates belong in the articles that focus on those topics. For BLPs, it is enough to simply state what their views are and link to the articles which expand on those views. (quote by Zaerethedited for brevity; Jimbo Walesagreed with Zaereth’s explanation.)
Politics, presidents and NPOV
I'd like to add that I don't mind a little bit of personal chit-chat here about politics, I'd like to always seek to tie it back to Misplaced Pages. We have chosen a very tough job: NPOV. Dislike for the President, fear about things that are happening in the world, may make it emotionally harder to remain neutral, but remain neutral we must. I happen to personally think that given the decline in quality of the media across the board (there are still fantastic journalists out there, but overall the landscape isn't great) the best way for us to help the world heal is neutrality.-- Jimbo Wales (talk)] 3:12 pm, 8 January 2019, Tuesday (UTC−6)
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If only...
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Quoting the above Bloomberg article, "not very" is quite accurate.
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No need to elaborate further on that particular quote. Some will be able to relate, whereas others will find it insulting. For more info, see Misplaced Pages @ 20. You may decide to submit your own essay. Talk📧14:03, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
Should it happen that a cabal of admins, operating on the talk page of an article or the lion's den of AN/I, manage to block you on an invented charge, the world will continue to turn. The grass will grow, the birds will lay eggs, the number of Pokémon-related articles will still double every 1.7 weeks, and articles on weathermen will be brought to AfD. Sure, it won't be done as smoothly and as elegantly as when you did it, but it will be done. This encyclopedic project will continue to turn. Sad, but true.
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My dear WikiFriend, Tryptofish, calls the Wikilink to his Arb selections self-promotion, and that's ok even if I don't see it quite the same way; rather, I consider it sharing knowledge and, in a roundabout way, it helps others. Put simply, it provides a circular benefit: User:Atsme/ACE2019. Talk📧12:17, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
Actually, I was just self-promoting (on my user talk page) the existence of my guide, as opposed to the candidates I support. And everyone knows that my recommendations are far, far wiser than yours. Not to help you misinform the community any further, but you might, perhaps, also want to list yours at Template:ACE2019. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:25, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
^^^Far wiser = wise guy.^^^ Now that is shameless self-promotion. 😂 Thx for the tip, regardless of the wrapper. For some reason, I thought just adding {{ACE2019}} to the top of my candidate page was all that was needed. Maybe Enterprisey (one of my wise arb picks) can make that happen. Talk📧18:58, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
Ok, Be not afraid of greatness: some are born great, some achieve greatness and some have greatness thrust upon them. I feel thrusted upon. 😂 Talk📧20:02, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
Sorry you are going through this stuff....There is never one possible result from these situations but a range and sometimes the range leans towards what feels wrong. That's the sad part of a collaborative project. There is never one right way. You've done so much great work on Misplaced Pages if you can, let this pass for the sake of the 'pedia. You are so valued. I've been there/ here/ whatever and know it can hurt or bother but it also passes. Hang in there! Littleolive oil (talk) 16:28, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
I too feel sad to see this stuff, and I just want to cheer you up if I can (although I often manage to say the wrong things). There are so many ways that you contribute so positively here, that it's best to just let some things go – as in, leave others to wallow in the muck while you focus on what gives you pleasure. I've frankly been feeling awful about Misplaced Pages for a couple of months, and am just beginning now to get back on my wiki-feet (do fish have wiki-feet? I dunno), so I know that's easier said than done. But, anyway... --Tryptofish (talk) 21:20, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
Came here as well to underline what LOO said, and I have to add something too. Larry Sanger was right. Atsme got on the wrong side of the house-POV multiple times, and now has a team following her, arguing she deserves to be silenced. Common sense says that new editors would show up with new complaints if indeed behaviour was so egregious, and yet, after months of activity at the Fascism article, there were no complaints about her. The rules have so many holes that it's just a joke at this point, and more importantly, it causes grief to human beings, and damages the content and reputation of this project. petrarchan47คุก23:12, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
I don't like to come to your page, for obvious reasons (=it's likely to lead to rude removals and/or attacks by you and your enablers), and you don't like to see me here. However, accusing JzG of "misogyny" because he criticises you and you are a woman — you give no other evidence or even argument that I can see, other than empty words about 'denigrating and patronizing a female editor' — is an unconscionable personal attack. Lashing out indiscriminately in such ways is not going to improve the impression you make at WP:AE, and if you continue making personal attacks you may be blocked. Bishonen | talk17:13, 24 November 2019 (UTC).
The tone of JzG’s writing sounds patronizing to my ears as well. Not everyone might pick up on the tone, but not everyone can hear a dog whistle. And speaking in tones that denigrate isn’t appropriate for anyone. Ratcheting up the drama with subtle WP:BAITing isn’t helping. I think the wisest course of action with these assorted dramas involving Atsme is for people who are neutral to step in, and for folks who are the usual suspects to step out of the situation (this includes JzG, as well as you, Bish) and let others handle it. Montanabw17:35, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
I've questioned JzG's diversions and opinionating more than once lately and that didn't come easy for me as he and I once were strongly aligned on several fronts. But no doubt, I found his comments there off topic to some extent and full of sneering bait. I will say though at this point I would encourage Atsme to vacate the ARCA request and after some time, reach out to AWilley and engage in a private discussion as I believe that will prove fruitful to finding a solution.--MONGO (talk) 17:53, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
Oh brother, Atsme points out blatant sexist comments and then she gets admonished. Thank you Atsme for supporting women who are not afraid to speak their mind even when they are told that they obviously do not have one. Gandydancer (talk) 18:17, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
Indeed, but least it is fine to see he considers her "delightful", and "lovely, a delight to be around when not on a hot button issue". That sort of banter sounds more like "a woman's place is in the kitchen" kind of garbage. Reminds me of a scene in the movie There Will Be Blood, when the menfolk needed to discuss business matters and of course the womenfolk had to retire to their chores of dish cleaning and etc. Course, that film depicts a period in the early 20th century rural America, a time we supposedly left long ago? I would have preferred JzG refrained from sneering half-platitudes and his off topic baity nonsense. Such antics do not amount to a man.--MONGO (talk) 19:10, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
Montanabw, It's not patronising. I genuinely like Atsme whenever she is not in bull-in-china-shop mode. We have had calm and civil discussions many times on issues unrelated to, say, GMOs. I could go and dig out the comments from Atsme on my Talk basically thanking me for being patient over the Griffin article. Delightful and lovely are terms I use indiscriminately to denote disposition, not gender. Most men, alas, are not lovely or delightful. Especially me. I am a grumpy fucker.
In the same way as few white people in the West are truly free of racism, I don't suppose many men are completely free of misogyny, but I do not recall being accused of it, and have in fact fired people for being disrespectful of female colleagues.
I meant what I wrote. Atsme has a POV that she does not check at the door. We all do, but I don't think she has enough awareness of it, and the topic ban is an inevitable result of that.
When you have strong opinions on several topics, and those are at odds with the body of empirically established fact, that is a recipe for tension. I genuinely believe Atsme would be happier overall if she was not engaged on these articles, and I would be pleased by that, because a happy Atsme beavering away on fauna articles makes me smile. Guy (help!) 22:30, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
I took a look, and nearly got an edit conflict with Guy, but I'll give my take fwiw. Guy's comments do come across to me as insensitive and demeaning. I think that if I were to call Guy "lovely, a delight to be around", it would elicit no small amount of wtf. That said, I don't think that Guy intended it that way. In any case, I agree with the advice that Mongo gives above. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:40, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
It occurs to me to add that, were I to compliment Guy as being "a man's man" in his admin actions (outside of friendly banter, said instead as a serious argument at a noticeboard), it would also be inappropriate. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:53, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
JzG...Comments like "because a happy Atsme beavering away on fauna articles makes me smile."..is about as patronizing as can be and indeed it sounds just as I have described it, that you only respect her for her unmanly efforts. Sorry if I come across as less than passive aggressive, but we know each other pretty well and in this case I am very disappointed with your ongoing badgering. I want to note that I only linked your name so you knew I was here talking behind your back and that it wasn't an invitation to double down on your silly notions.--MONGO (talk) 22:48, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflicts) Atsme, I can see that he means well and no amount of trying to help him will do any good. It is sad to see because I know that his life would be so much happier if he could only see his own narcissism and consequently not feel a need to try to help others find happiness. Gandydancer (talk) 23:12, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
You have power over your mind - not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength. - Marcus Aurelius
Cheer up girl!
Feast your blue eyes on these rather than transcriptions of past incidents.
You were never going to win against the system in open battle anyhow, that is how it has been designed.
Should you decide to drop in from time to time, come and help us rag-tag reprobates to wage guerrilla warfare on the dog-related articles. A much more limited scale than you are use to, but with simpler, more achievable objectives.
Awww, thank you Cavalryman! I am delighted to be a member of such an excellent project; one that is populated by a wonderful collaborative team of editors. I feel inspired to get back to work, doing whatever I can to help organize our project pages, and maybe even help get a few more dog articles promoted to GA...or even FA. The vast improvements our team has made are a bright light at the end of a dark tunnel that I no longer wish to travel. Happy editing!! Talk📧13:50, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
There comes a time when an interest in Misplaced Pages can become an obsession if we are not careful. Then it is only a matter of time before we find ourselves on the wrong side of "the system" - which is really not a system because little thought has been given to its design - and we then undergo that "dark night of the soul" questioning why we are even here. I have seen far too many dedicated and talented editors leave because of this. Sometimes all we need is a few people to show support, and a rethink about our focus here - what we are going to get involved in and what we are not. I have my focus. Cavalry man probably has his. Hopefully, soon you will find yours.
Do not go deliberately looking for a fight as there are plenty of those in life without even having to look.--MONGO (talk) 20:07, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
I'm thinking maybe I had a visit from Confucius disguised as a 500 lb gorilla, and the message is....Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.Talk📧20:18, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
–== FYI ==
I think you were wise to remove that comment. In passing, white supremacy doesn't mention the Republican Party either, and neither, I think, does white nationalism despite there being a white nationalist in charge of immigration policy right now. The Klan article, however, does mention the Democratic Party, and the articles on Southern Democrats and Southern strategy explain the switch. It's alarming to me, as a Briton, how many Americans are unaware of this history and are still susceptible to the lie that the Democrats are the party of slavery. Guy (help!) 17:57, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
I dunno, seems rather cringy to think either party, in modern times, is the party of slavery. Certainly in the past the Republicans were the party of anti-slavery though. PackMecEng (talk) 18:48, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Makes sense, PME. You know...if I was living in GB right now, I might be focused on the Prince Andrew–Epstein scandal, and what the BBC is planning to broadcast involving the allegations of sex slavery, the latter of which continues globally today and dates further back in time than a single century. I truly appreciate the BBC and trust their reporting far more than what I've been seeing from US media outlets of late. I'm also concerned, relative to the above, that if we're changing the retrospectives and narratives of what historians and academics have documented for nearly a century, what incentive do we have to trust contemporary retrospectives from historians and academics using today's standards? It's a Catch 22. Talk📧19:38, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Basically, the Republican and Democratic parties of the late 1800s have completely traded places as of the parties in 2019. My (WP:OR) summary of why is that Democrat Lyndon Johnson enacted civil rights legislation in the 1960s, and then Dixiecrats migrated to the Republican party over the next few decades. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:57, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
JzG...you need to quit while you're ahead. Your ignorance regarding American history is unbecoming and frankly having a Brit tell "us" how misinformed we are about our own history is total bullshit. This nonstop sneering and insulting provocations you do daily are making editing in AmPol nearly untenable. You want to make daily insults and provocations and denounce half the population of the USA then find some blog to do that at. I dont give a rats ass what you "think" about conservatives, the Republican party or Donald Trump. Your conduct is unbecoming an administrator and a detriment to collaborative editing.--MONGO (talk) 00:27, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- so there is no need to post another DS alert.
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