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IDF Materiel Lost
Please User:Avaya1 stop reverting the content placed in the Battlebox of the Article. The fact that IDF Materiel is listed in the Article its because they operate this equiptement and lost it. Since Hezbollah dont use Aircraft, Tanks and Ships and/or dont lost anyone at this war it cant be placed. But is not based on reliability not to consider the materiel lost in the Battlebox. Dont call my edit a one sided edit. Keep the Battlebox as it was, unless you want to imporve something in it.Mr.User200 (talk) 18:50, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
- The equipment losses in the infobox - which was added by me originally, and done through discussion at the time - was informative when it included the context. Now you have removed the context (why did you do this?),* but re-added them in a biased way. It's a neutral context simply to put it in the body of the article, as the equipment losses are not even listed for the other side. You seem to have simply removed the context (claiming to be saving space), and then re-added them. If you want to remove the context, then they belong in the body of the text. Avaya1 (talk) 19:26, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
- Please stop reverting my edits or other editors edits in the Article unless it improves the content of the article. Avoid adding duplicated info. See the Casualties and Damage section for your. This page is under 1RR. This is my last word in this topic.Mr.User200 (talk) 18:18, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Please stop reverting edits made by me or other editor that improve the article.Mr.User200 (talk) 21:50, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- To adhered to NPOV - we should be consistent with material losses - if we present Israeli material, we should present Lebanese material losses as well. Furthermore, the information inserted was highly inaccurate and relied on OR / mis-citations (e.g. the F-16 crash was reffed to an Haaretz article which describes a 2010 F-16I crash (IDF jets, as other air forces, crash regularly during routine operations). Israeli losses in combat were 1 helicopter. In addition a single F-16 crashed during takeoff due to a landing gear fault, and 3 AH-64 were lost in accidents. Presenting accidents as combat losses is not generally how things are done.Icewhiz (talk) 15:26, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
- Please stop reverting edits made by me or other editor that improve the article.Mr.User200 (talk) 21:50, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
The only aircraft shot down was a CH-53 Yasur(Sikorsky CH-53 Sea Stallion) but this was shot down at low altitude as it was taking off after deploying troops.
the page Operation Change of Direction 11 gives a reference that states 20 vehicles were lost in the battle. later analysis suggests it was 20 tanks during the entire war. another study suggest one tank hit an IED during the operation and 11 tanks were hit by anti-tank missiles but not necessarily destroyed or severely damaged. Ultimately there's no solid evidence regarding how many tanks were decommissioned as they were towed back to bases in Israel by Caterpillar D9s and possibly repaired.
one ship was crippled but returned to port under its own power.
technically no materiel losses were experienced because all the vehicles were recovered. Comparing the article to Attack on Pearl Harbor which lists ships damaged but later re-floated and repaired there might be some merit to listing damaged vehicles that haven't been confirmed to have been destroyed. 49.198.44.232 (talk) 22:13, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
There is no consensus for POV. Nowhere an aircraft accident in one country is counted as war lose in the conflict in another country.Tritomex (talk) 15:03, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
References
- ^ Cordesman, Anthony H. (2007). Lessons of the 2006 Israeli-Hezbollah War (PDF). Centre for Strategic and International Studies, Georgetown University. p. 157. ISBN 978-0-89206-505-9. Retrieved May 7, 2019.
- Hanan Greenberg (August 14, 2006). "Ceasefire begins; firing incidents in Lebanon". Yedioth Achronoth. Retrieved Nov 8, 2012.
- Exum, Andrew (December 1, 2006). "Hizballah at War: A Military Assessment" (PDF). The Washington Institute. p. 11.
- BRANNON, JOSH (November 7, 2006). "PANEL: 'HANIT' ATTACK WAS PREVENTABLE". The Jerusalem Post.
Aircraft losses
The source being used (Cordesman) explictly says only one helicopter was lost in combat. Strop inserting false information into the article. Here come the Suns (talk) 15:12, 26 November 2019 (UTC) The Full quote from that source is "...the IAF lost only 1 aircraft in combat , and four in accidents" . Given that, it is doubtful if even the helicopter losses should be reported as currently in the article. Here come the Suns (talk) 16:08, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- It seems you dont care to read the Book, you simply revert by revert. Please take a look and read the given page in the Link. 1 lost in combat, the rest to accidents. 1 aircarft, 4 helicopters.Mr.User200 (talk) 17:47, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- 2006 Lebanon War#Israel Defense Forces - Second paragraph. Mr.User200 (talk) 17:53, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- I did read that source, and quoted what it says, above : "...the IAF lost only 1 aircraft in combat , and four in accidents". Later down in that same page it says "The only combat loss was a CH-53 transport helicopter " . Thanks for pointing out that the article body itself suffers from the same issue, sourced to the same book. I will be fixing that, too. Here come the Suns (talk) 22:23, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- There is nothing to fix.Mr.User200 (talk) 16:22, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
- non-combat losses, which are described in the sources as training accidents, do not belong in the infobox, or the article section on casualties. Multiple editors have stated this (Avaya1, Icewhiz, Tritomex and יניב הורון). Do not restore it until you have clear consensus for it, per WP:ONUS. Here come the Suns (talk) 02:43, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- two of whom are banned lol. nableezy - 18:29, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- they weren't banned when they objected to the content, not that his ad hominem argument carries any weight. Here come the Suns (talk) 18:33, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- They are banned now, otherwise they would have answered the canvassing call. nableezy - 02:08, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
- they weren't banned when they objected to the content, not that his ad hominem argument carries any weight. Here come the Suns (talk) 18:33, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- two of whom are banned lol. nableezy - 18:29, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- The book that Mr.User200 quoted says "accident", but does not mention "training". Do you have sources that classify these losses as training accidents? “WarKosign” 08:16, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- non-combat losses, which are described in the sources as training accidents, do not belong in the infobox, or the article section on casualties. Multiple editors have stated this (Avaya1, Icewhiz, Tritomex and יניב הורון). Do not restore it until you have clear consensus for it, per WP:ONUS. Here come the Suns (talk) 02:43, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- WarKosign could a investigation on Sockpuppetry could be made on those Users, i remember at leat one of those at least being banned for that reason. Maybe Here comes the Suns could be inestigated too??Mr.User200 (talk) 18:25, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Mr.User200: You seem to be under impression that I'm an administrator. I'm not. If you suspect sockpuppetry, see WP:SPI. “WarKosign” 18:34, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
New information has been revealed by Qasem Soleimani
Yesterday, Qasem Soleimani has revealed new information about Iran's understanding and role in this war. Almost all Iranian press has covered it.--Seyyed(t-c) 05:34, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
augustine bielonwu august 2006 casualty
augustine bielonwu august 2006 casualty
he is one of many innocent un observers killed by israeli's (american in reality) "precision" laser guided bombs, this man is forgotten:
news.un.org/en/story/2006/08/190532-un-mourns-lebanon-force-staff-member-killed-during-israel-hizbollah-conflict — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.242.228.61 (talk) 00:58, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
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The IRGC death/presence is denied by Iran so maybe we should add (denied by Iran) after the IGRC casualties Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20161117152200/http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/15/AR2006071500189.html# "Iran denied that it had any troops in Lebanon." Creemyice1 (talk) 17:33, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
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