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Add COVID-19 by Status plot
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Not done Please phrase your request in the form of "change X to Y" and cite your sources. Mgasparin (talk) 19:51, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
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Victoria just announced new 51 cases and now total is 229 https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/victoria-sees-massive-jump-in-number-of-coronavirus-cases--c-755765 Johnanderson632 (talk) 00:20, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Already done Mgasparin (talk) 19:52, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Timeline of deaths per day graph vs new cases per day graph.
Not sure if it's better to have the deaths per day graph start at the first of March with the first death as it is in the article or as it is below starting at the date of the first case to make it more comparable by time to the new cases by day graph.
For example, on China's page these two graphs are very comparable by time. https://en.wikipedia.org/2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic_in_mainland_China#Statistics
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- This graph will soon become unmanageable when displaying daily. It may have to be changed to weekly and eventually, monthly. In the interim, the days leading up to the first death may need to be removed. Clifton9 (talk) 12:24, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Impact for WA
No one is gonna lists the impacts it has on WA? NakhlaMan (talk) 09:02, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
@NakhlaMan: If you want to try and bring some impacts for Western Australia, you can help out as I reckon their would be some major events in the state that has been affected. HawkAussie (talk) 05:01, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
March: Overly Detailed
Hi Contributors. I was considering placing the Template:Overly detailed on the March 2020 sections but thought I'd bring the conversation here first. There is absolutely no need for the level of detail in those sections which basically list out each case as it was reported. As you can see, by the time you get to week 3 this becomes impossible and hence the level of prior detail becomes irrelevant and I believe needs to be significantly summarised. When you look back at this as a historical event it is definitely more reading than necessary in my opinion. Glancing at a few of the pages for other countries I don't see them being so comprehensive. Thoughts of others? Clifton9 (talk) 11:12, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
I agree with the sentiment, though could they be buried under another layer of headings (eg by day)? I don’t know, but it is becoming a wall of text Iamthinking2202 (talk) 07:26, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Semilog graph option enabled for the states graph
Just as the top of this article has semilog plots for world-scale data, we now have a semilog plot for the per-state data in Oz. I put 1.2^(days) as a round number guide for the eye. Comment: Unsurprisingly, without the extreme lockdowns like in China and Europe (especially PL, CZ, SK), the exponentials will continue unchanged for many weeks. 1.2^13 is just over 10. So "business as usual" or "business just slightly unusual" will mean about 13k lab-confirmed infections by 23+13=36 March, aka 5 April, nationally, with 6000 cases in NSW (and 60 deaths in NSW, if the roughly 1% crude fatality rate in Oz continues). This is slower than most of the EU rates, many of which are around +30% to +40%/day. Maybe because of the lower population density. Or the warm weather. Boud (talk) 00:36, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: In case it's not obvious, this also means that without serious lockdowns like in China and the EU (especially PL, CZ, SK around 12 March), another month of 1.2^d would give about 60,000 SARS-CoV-2 cases in NSW by 18 April 2020, with 600 COVID-19 deaths; or 130,000 SARS-CoV-2 cases in Australia, with about 1,300 or so COVID-19 deaths. The semilog graph shows clearly that there is no sign of any weakening of the exponential growth in NSW for three weeks. (I heard a rumour of a "tipping point" - which is nonsense in the light of this data; the tipping point - sustained local transmission giving exponential growth - was passed in NSW three weeks ago, and in several states about two weeks ago. Just look at the graph.) For any of this elementary interpretation to go in the article, external sources would be needed, of course. Boud (talk) 01:42, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: The cumulative totals do not "look right" and misrepresent the data to a naive viewer. The graph renderer seems to be rounding points to the nearest line division, which quantises away detail resulting in "flat sections" of the graph. A naive viewer may also not realise what a semi-log graph means in terms of actual growth. The growth graph is also still a "linear" graph. An important property of an exponential curve is that its derivate (rate of change) exhibits the same shape as the original curve, and this would be best shown when both the cumulative totals and growth graphs were shown on a linear graph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.114.96.60 (talk) 02:55, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
- Linear plots misrepresent the data on exponential growth#Biology to a viewer who wants encyclopedic information. This is an encyclopedia about a topic of (for at least the past three weeks in NSW, and for the past two weeks in much of the rest of Australia) the exponential growth of a virus. There is quantisation, because the official data count people as integers, which is quite reasonable. I've added links in the titles and captions to help readers learn.
The growth graph is also still a "linear" graph.
I'm not sure what the argument is here: probably you're trying to say that log(1.2^d) plotted against d is a straight line, because log(1.2^d) = d log(1.2). True. That's why an epidemic, with exponential growth, is most usefully shown with a semilog plot. It's true that a linear graph can help show the reader that d/dt(e^t) = e^t, at the most recent stages, but then most of the early growth phases are missing. The states/territories graph gives the +20%/day line (1.2^d) to encourage the reader to think about what the graph means in simple terms - this has been done in other similar graphs. - The fact that the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic has been exponential for three weeks in NSW (and two weeks in several other populous states) is invisible if the graph is linear; it is clearly visible in the semilog version. It's not the role of Misplaced Pages to support misinformation - the rumour that the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic in Australia only just started its local transmission, exponentially growing phase. It's true that some people will not understand semilog graphs, despite being given help to do so, but there are also people who have difficulty understanding graphs at all. These graphs do have the powers of 10 written out early primary school style, rather than with indices (1, 10, 10^2, 10^3, 10^4, ...), aiming at the less mathematically advanced reader. Boud (talk) 16:25, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
- Linear plots misrepresent the data on exponential growth#Biology to a viewer who wants encyclopedic information. This is an encyclopedia about a topic of (for at least the past three weeks in NSW, and for the past two weeks in much of the rest of Australia) the exponential growth of a virus. There is quantisation, because the official data count people as integers, which is quite reasonable. I've added links in the titles and captions to help readers learn.
Solution: return an original graph seen with those on the Coronavirus pandemic pages of other countries (eg: United Kingdom) that demonstrate the curve, and continue to have the logarithmic graph for those who prefer to see case data in that format. The best of both worlds for different viewers with different preferences! Macraesam17 (talk) 01:48, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Also to my previous comment on having both forms of graphs^ include both for the states, and the national totals for Australia. Macraesam17 (talk) 01:50, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
- Do you mean to have a button to click, like for sortability? So that the user can choose which s/he wants? I think that that would be an excellent idea. That would require someone who knows lua/html well enough to propose a change in the de:Modul:Graph and get it tested properly before making it "live". I'm not sure which page is the natural page for attracting geeky attention and discussing this. Possible pages include: Module_talk:Chart, Template talk:Graph:Chart or Module_talk:Graph.
- A temporary alternative would be to include two copies, one with |yScaleType = log and one without. But then editors would have to update the data for both graphs each time. It's doable, but not the neatest solution. Another option would be to find one of the navboxes to enclose the graph - like Template:Side box - that has an option to make the graph hidden by default, like for some tables, with an obvious button "Show" (and "Hide" to toggle back). That way, one option could be chosen to be unhidden by default, and the other to be hidden by default. Boud (talk) 14:46, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
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Notice the total cases to date chart has been changed from a linear scale to a logarithmic scale. Personally I preferred the Linear scale as it was easier to predict as the whether the graph was approaching an inflection point ready to curve over.
Just my personal observation but thought I'd put forward the suggestion.
Phil. 203.129.24.45 (talk) 03:21, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
- I don't see how you can interpret that with a cumulative linear graph. On the semilog graph of either the cumulative or new cases data, when the slope weakens (no longer a straight line in the graph) you know that the second derivative of the cumulative case count has become negative: that's the first sign that lockdown type measures are having an effect. This is visible in some of the East/SE Asian and EU countries' data. The new cases graph will show a maximum of new cases/day on the same day, no matter whether the graph is linear or semilog. Boud (talk) 16:41, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
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Wanted to be able to edit this page, because some of the formatting is about out, namely the graph at the bottom of the page whch goes into the notes sections, it looks bad. Rorzay (talk) 02:45, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Done Answer: I think it's fixed now. I added | position = left
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NSW count for 24 March
Hi, the number of cases you have included for NSW in your tables for 24 March is not consistent with the previous numbers in the series. The number of cases shown for NSW are the number of cases at 8pm on the previous evening (so for example, the 23 March figure is actually the number at 8pm on 22 March). The number you have shown on 24 March is the number at 3pm on 24 March, not the number at 8pm of the previous night. The "correct" number should be 818. This is important as politicians/the press are talking about a 116 increase in cases (which looks like improved numbers from the previous day), whereas the actual increase should be 211. Thanks, Karen Cutter 119.18.2.66 (talk) 22:31, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Recoveries
It is clear that the relevant state authorities are not maintaining the data on 'recovered' cases and in all likelihood it is not possible for it ever to be accurate. Therefore, if it is not accurate then there really is no point in publishing it on this page and I suggest that it needs to be removed. I think it is reasonable to consider that this data is dubious and it's removal requires discussion.Clifton9 (talk) 07:36, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Recovered numbers are remarkably similar to cases for 14 days earlier, which is what you would expect. It suggests that over time recoveries are reported.--Grahame (talk) 01:59, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks Grahame, good observation. Will continue to monitor it and re-visit the topic if it doesn't appear to be keeping up. Clifton9 (talk) 02:23, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
- NSW finally disclosed how many patients are receiving active treatment, it should be safe to assume the others have recovered. They only officially reported the original 4 patients from China. https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/news/Pages/20200327_00.aspx Liam Skoda (talk) 04:13, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
- Just saw this on the ABC website - *Recoveries are likely to be much higher as this figure is only reported in four jurisdictions. and A NSW Health media spokeswoman told ABC News it does not report this figure because it is too difficult to define when a person is considered to have recovered from the disease. I think based on these statements all of the reporting in these graphs should be removed as it's inaccurate and provides false data. Clifton9 (talk) 23:09, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- NSW finally disclosed how many patients are receiving active treatment, it should be safe to assume the others have recovered. They only officially reported the original 4 patients from China. https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/news/Pages/20200327_00.aspx Liam Skoda (talk) 04:13, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks Grahame, good observation. Will continue to monitor it and re-visit the topic if it doesn't appear to be keeping up. Clifton9 (talk) 02:23, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
External territories
The article states "No cases have been reported in the external territories of Christmas Island, the Cocos (Keeling) Islands and Norfolk Island." What about Australian Antarctic Territory and Coral Sea Islands? Ypna (talk) 02:29, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
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Still looking at the graph which has changed from a linear to logarithmic scale. I do see the merit of both.
I also have had a quick read of https://en.wikipedia.org/Semi-log_plot & noticed https://en.wikipedia.org/File:Influenza-2009-cases-logarithmic.png
Replicated the chart in Excel & got this with a Base2 Y-Axis.... but can't upload that image without setting up an account, but have saved the image here.... http://weather.inverellit.com/images/casesbase2.jpg
Just food for thought. Not sure what is most appropriate.
Cheers. 203.129.24.45 (talk) 03:00, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Here are some graphs the other way if others want to include both. HelperAnt (talk)HelperAnt
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Also if others want to include boths ways for the states:
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please update the information with the latest reference on the page for the 26th.
You have provided new data for the 26th however the page information has not been changed to reflect these new data figures. 1.152.106.35 (talk) 03:07, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
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UPDATE DEATH COUNT, so CHANGE Genyobne (talk) 03:15, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
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Change Genyobne (talk) 03:36, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
There is 7 cases in Melton, Victoria
There is 7 cases in Melton Region in Victoria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.213.209.200 (talk) 08:35, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Update on total number of cases in Tasmania 26 March 2020
5 new cases, brings tally to 47 Susietran (talk) 10:01, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
cases jump
pls add additional information about Australia case has been increasing due to the ships, where people disembarked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.193.223.146 (talk) 00:35, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
new cases ACT 27.3.20
9 new cases, total now 62Susietran (talk) 02:47, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Panic Buying and Shortages in Goods
The Coronavirus resulted in panic buying across Australia resulting in shortages in durable and long life. This resulted in people across Australia and globally to panic buy toilet paper resulting in shortages and reports of violence in Australia and abroad.
It is unclear exactly why toilet paper has become the hot ticket item for a potential battle with a respiratory infection, but there isn't much logical about these scenes, which some psychologists are suggesting is a demonstration of herd mentality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.240.22.51 (talk) 06:47, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
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Groovin The Moo and Download Festival cancelled (Victoria) Lmills36 (talk) 07:01, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
References - Someone removed all the references for the count.
Do you think the references for case numbers per day for the states in the table should still be included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.213.221.145 (talk) 01:15, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
- Definitely not. There is no need to have a reference per state for each and every day this continues. This comes under WP:TOOMANYREFS. Clifton9 (talk) 06:45, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
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Section: https://en.wikipedia.org/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Australia#Federal_Government
At end of paragraph beginning "On 13 March, at a meeting of the Council of Australian Governments..."
Add: Prime Minister Morrison also announced he intended to attend a Rugby League match on Saturday the 14th of March; "I do still plan to go to the football on Saturday"
Sources: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/video/2020/mar/13/scott-morrison-defends-decision-to-attend-rugby-league-game-during-coronavirus-outbreak-video https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-13/coronavirus-scott-morrison-coag-premiers-cancelling-events/12053382 101.165.104.244 (talk) 02:00, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Tasmania and ACT Coronavirus first reported deaths
- Both Tasmania and ACT Coronavirus both were woman in the 80's.
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