Misplaced Pages

Revision as of 18:34, 15 April 2020

Material from Billie Eilish was split to List of awards and nominations received by Billie Eilish on August 31, 2019 from this version. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted so long as the latter page exists. Please leave this template in place to link the article histories and preserve this attribution.

This article has not yet been rated on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale. It is of interest to multiple WikiProjects.

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Alternative music Low‑importance This article is part of WikiProject Alternative music, a group of Wikipedians interested in improving the encyclopedic coverage of articles relating to alternative rock. If you would like to help out, you are welcome to drop by the project page and/or leave a query at the project's talk page.Alternative musicWikipedia:WikiProject Alternative musicTemplate:WikiProject Alternative musicAlternative music Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Biography: Arts and Entertainment This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Misplaced Pages's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography This article is supported by the arts and entertainment work group. Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. California Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject California, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the U.S. state of California on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CaliforniaWikipedia:WikiProject CaliforniaTemplate:WikiProject CaliforniaCalifornia Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Electronic music Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Electronic music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Electronic music on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Electronic musicWikipedia:WikiProject Electronic musicTemplate:WikiProject Electronic musicelectronic music Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Hip-hop Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Hip-hop, a collaborative effort to build a useful resource for and improve the coverage of hip-hop on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.Hip-hopWikipedia:WikiProject Hip-hopTemplate:WikiProject Hip-hopHip-hop Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Pop music Mid‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Pop music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles related to pop music on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Pop musicWikipedia:WikiProject Pop musicTemplate:WikiProject Pop musicPop music Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale. Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Rock music Low‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Rock music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Rock music on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Rock musicWikipedia:WikiProject Rock musicTemplate:WikiProject Rock musicRock music Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Women This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of women on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.WomenWikipedia:WikiProject WomenTemplate:WikiProject WomenWikiProject Women Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details. Women in Music Mid‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women in Music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Women in music on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women in MusicWikipedia:WikiProject Women in MusicTemplate:WikiProject Women in MusicWomen in music Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Template:Vital article

Family

Timothy O’Connell is brothers with Finneas O’Connell, Billie’s father, and Billies 2 cousins are Bridget O’Connell, age 15, and Christopher O’Connell, age 11. Bridgetoconnell (talk) 23:45, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Unless the cousins are notable people, there's no point to mention them. Even then, the relationship would need to be traced to published reliable sources. —C.Fred (talk) 00:20, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Finneas O’Connell is Billies brother not dad...I might’ve read what you typed incorrectly, but I still wanted to mention that just in case. Help Editor Wiki (talk) 21:29, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Billies father is not Finneas O’Connell it is Patrick O’Connell Owlylola (talk) 09:34, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protect edit request: pronunciation

The second syllable of her "last name" is not a long e sound, it's a short i sound. IPA symbol is ɪ. We ought correct "EYE leesh" (/ˈaɪliʃ/) to "EYE lish" (/ˈaɪlɪʃ/). —208.185.173.211 (talk) 23:16, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Allegations of being an "Industry Plant"

Recently, there have been some claims on various corners of the 'net claiming that Billie Eilish is, in fact, an 'industry plant' (i.e. system was rigged in their favour). Would this be best discussed in a new section, separate page, or...?

Thanks. Zer0thenumber (talk) 03:07, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your question. But first of all, per WP:BLP, which applies to all of the Misplaced Pages, even on a talk page you can't make (or even just describe, as you are here) allegations against a person without providing a ref. I'v provided one, otherwise I would have had to scrub your comment. It's OK, a lot of people don't realize this about WP:BLP

(Here's a ref, it's the Chicago Reader which, enh... it says "I've seen the term used against , Billie Eilish, , , and . ... 'I think that a lot of people understand that the term doesn't really hold much weight.'"

on the merits, no, I wouldn't include it. Sounds like it's just gossip. Even including it descriptively ("Some people say...") gives it too much credence and kind of spreads the rumor, or at least the existance of the rumor, which casts a shadow on Eilish I suppose... per WP:BLP we only want to do that when we really have to. Herostratus (talk) 14:30, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

She should be deleted as not notable as all her sources are written to promote her when she has no true fans or notability. But PR companies have extended confirmed Misplaced Pages accounts would vote keep in any AFD. 95.158.62.112 (talk) 19:46, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Irish nationality

She is third-generation Irish, I couldn't really give a shit anyway I just want to promote my country where possible as I'm a 32-county patriot. An aimsir na hnEireann. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lottolads (talk • contribs) 01:15, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Um, it’s unclear what changes you want made. And make sure to provide a reliable source to support it as well.—NØ 19:48, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

"Third generation Irish" is hardly Irish, is it? Sounds like umpteenth generation US-ian clutching at heritage credibility straws. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.56.22 (talk) 00:47, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

First artist with a Numer 1 album born after 2000

This source doesn't make clear that this applies only to the American Billboard chart. For example, Marcus & Martinus (born 2002) have had multiple no1 albums in Norway and Sweden since 2015. I have corrected the line in the article, but is there are more accurate source available? — Preceding unsigned comment added by M.T.S.W.A. (talk • contribs) 18:28, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Unnecessary content

Some of the content contained within the page seems unnecessary to include. Which kinds of music she listens to and the artists that she wants to collaborate are both too personal and too subject to change; the way her brother writes music for her should either be moved to his page, as it isn't really about her, or removed; and the quote about her style doesn't really add anything to the article and almost reads as promotional. Benmite (talk) 15:57, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Lapadite77, discussion here would be good. Benmite (talk) 16:24, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Lapadite77, if you could comment on this here on the talk page, that would be good. Benmite (talk) 00:32, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

I did not see this discussion before. Benmite, how she and her long-term, close collaborator write songs is very relevant. As noted in their interviews, she and her brother collaborate on everything. Eilish has spoken about his involvement in her music and how they write songs, as he has also done. The commentary from both is relevant. The music that inspires her is also relevant to her article; she has talked about being a big fan of rap/hip hop music and Tyler, the Creator influencing her. Lastly, her image/style is discussed in media and her own commentary on it is relevant, especially as it is related to her commentary from her Calvin Klein ad. Lapadite (talk) 02:07, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for replying. While I agree that much of what you listed could be considered relevant information as of right now, my main concern is that it is either subject to change or that its wording or placement feels off. For example, what kind of music she listens to doesn't seem quite as essential as what music inspires or has inspired her, and from the articles cited, it seems like the artists you listed are all inspirations for her to some extent. People's music tastes also change rather quickly, especially in the age of streaming, but an artist's musical and stylistic inspirations shape the foundations of who they are as an artist. In that case, I don't think it's entirely unnecessary to include that Eilish takes inspiration from hip-hop and R&B music and uses elements of it in her fashion and music, but it should be stated as such instead of merely saying that she listens to those people, if that makes sense. Furthermore, although I agree that Eilish's own commentary on her style is relevant, I think the article as is encompasses what she's said thus far about her style quite well. I think shorter quotes about her style are good, but I think a longer quote which basically says what's already been said might come off as redundant. Benmite (talk) 17:13, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Ok, I'll incorporate these changes. Lapadite (talk) 15:22, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Ukulele?

For a while, the infobox listed the ukulele as an instrument Billie plays. This information has since been removed despite the fact that this photo (which is included in the article) clearly shows her playing an ukulele. Can the ukulele be put back into the list on the strength of this image alone, or do we need a reliable source?--Vaporgaze (talk) 09:04, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

The instruments section usually refers to instruments that are routinely used by an artist, so a more reliable source than the single image would probably be needed. However, the ukulele is an instrument she's played on enough occasions that I assume it wouldn't be hard to find sources to back it up.Benmite (talk) 14:51, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. I would happily add the ukulele to the list, but I can't find any sources.--Vaporgaze (talk) 17:47, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Vaporgaze and Benmite, I also tried to find any sources that would list ukulele as one of her primary instruments. Would any of the following sources be appropriate?

• i-D ("Back home, Billie practises her old ukulele, hangs with her dog Pepper and plays the song back to her mom.")
• The Nation ("Both her major recording projects have a DIY quality, with just a few instruments—mainly piano, guitar, ukulele, and synth—")
• Rolling Stone ("As for Eilish, she wrote her first song on the ukulele at four,")
• HappyMag ("7 tracks that owe their success to the humble ukulele")

heyitsben!! 17:21, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

• I have noted below, given her demonstration of piano prowess that I think my contribution and then removal of your Ukulele addition as well as my piano addition is indeed notable. CaffeinAddict (talk) 06:02, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes she does play ukulele Abbeyl24 (talk) 10:42, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Veganism

Please can we stop listing her as vegan when there's a 2019 interview confirming that she consumes honey? hhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1i4gmOHD6E, 1:58 Ben 12:33, 18 June 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bens dream (talk • contribs)

Not all vegans avoid honey. More insects are killed in the production of sugar. Only the ultra-extreme vegan fanatics avoid honey. If a lacto-ovo vegetarian gives up dairy and eggs, they are considered vegan to most people. https://www.thoughtco.com/vegans-and-honey-127536 77Mike77 (talk) 17:03, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes she is a vegan Abbeyl24 (talk) 10:43, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

What?! She is vegan?? And she likes honey? Bro y u care there r more important stuff in live 🤦‍♂️ live ur life to the fullest and care about u Mohammed"hopefully"eilish (talk) 21:16, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Modeling: Career or endorsement?

Since Eilish signed to IMG Models, would her modeling gigs (e.g. fronting an MGM campaign, Calvin Klein commercial) be considered a part of her career or would it be considered an endorsement, since she is primarily a singer? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benmite (talk • contribs) 22:34, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

I agree! I don't think it's right to call her a model in the first line of this article. A celebrity should never be called a model unless she worked as a model before she became a star (which can hardly be the case here). Jorgenjorgenjorgen (talk) 21:03, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Genre

"girlsareawsome.com" is not a high quality music source to cite for infobox main genre(s). WP:RSMUSIC: do not use AllMusic genre sidebar. Avoid WP:SYN. Cite reliable source(s) that unambiguously classify music under a genre ("hybrid blend", "bridge gap" are not unambiguous classifications); AllMusic only states "indie electro pop"; "electro pop" is the genre to cite to AllMusic. Lapadite (talk) 02:06, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Then Electropop doesn’t count. It literally said "…blends ethereal indie electro-pop with dark thematic tones." Billiekhalidfan (talk) 02:39, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Sure. I only leaned toward counting it as it doesn't say it blends electro pop with another genre. Lapadite (talk) 03:06, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

I mean, you could count it. I personally think they all can count even if it says the genre is blending with something else. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 03:19, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Splitting her awards and nominations

I'm opening this discussion for the user Another Believer, who split off the small awards and nominations section to List of awards and nominations received by Billie Eilish. I reverted this as I disagree and because per WP:SIZESPLIT, the section is too small to necessitate splitting at this time; the section contains just six small tables, and four of those tables have just one entry each. This article is still under 50 KB, and even if it were over 50 KB, these awards are too few and insignificant to have an article solely for them. It's just not worth making a separate article for in my opinion. Do others think this necessitates splitting off to a separate article? Ss112 13:48, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for starting a discussion. For the record, here was the latest version of the awards list before you redirected, so editors can review. Also, just a matter of time before she receives some Grammy noms and other music awards. Queue the 'crystal ball' argument, which is fine, but I'm just saying fork now or fork in a few months, what's the difference... ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:00, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

@Fortune Mabena: Thanks for your work on the awards list. Looks great! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:17, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

@Ss112: Are you now ok with the standalone list, given how much it's grown? If so, I'll archive this section. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:38, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Who requested the histmerge? Ss112 15:40, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Ss112, I'm not sure what you mean, I'm just asking if you're fine with there being a standalone list. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:57, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

@Another Believer: Didn't you notice the history of List of awards and nominations received by Billie Eilish? The user Fortune Mabena created content at a misspelt title ("recieved") and the history was merged with the article you created in draft and had moved over my redirect. Did you not request Anthony Appleyard perform the histmerge? Ss112 16:04, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Ss112, I don't think so, but I don't remember exactly. I guess I'm less concerned about the page history and just wondering if you're fine with the existence of the current list. If so, this discussion is essentially over since you're the only editor who has questioned the list's necessity. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:07, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Last name

Eilish isn't her last name (it's O'Connell), so why is it used to refer to her throughout the article? Billiekhalidfan (talk) 00:46, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

The reason why Eilish is used is because that is her stage name and the name she is known by. CookieMonster755✉ 20:57, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

O’ Connell Abbeyl24 (talk) 10:41, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Why is O'Connell used inconsistently? GenacGenac (talk) 13:20, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Eilish is infact her stage name and she prefers to be called that. It is the name she is professionally known as therefore we should adress her as Billie Eilish. Jill granger394 (talk) 12:54, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Instruments

Yes, I understand the Template:Infobox musical artist/doc#instrument isn't a WP:COATRACK. She's notable for her piano playing which is why in my opinion thought to include it. Her Ukulele use wasn't something I'd known, but is used. "Known for" is a loose terminology especially considering a 17 year old at the moment. I'm interested in other opinions. Limiting a musician to "Vocals" is in my opinion diminishing the musician who has learned her craft. CaffeinAddict (talk) 05:58, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

The sources are not describing her as being notable for playing an instrument; it's just stating that she played one or talked about one at some point or other (a performance, a carpool karaoke, etc). That is why Template:Infobox musical artist/doc#instrument states "It is not intended as a WP:COATRACK for every instrument the subject has used". Notable for means that it is integral to her notability as an artist. She is not notable for playing an instrument; she is notable for her voice, music and image. You can mention the use of an instrument in the body of the article. An example of a contemporary artist who is notable for playing an instrument is H.E.R. Alicia Keys, Norah Jones, Fiona Apple also come to mind for female artists. There have been many discussions on this before for various artists; one recent example for reference is Talk:Camila Cabello#Instruments. Lapadite (talk) 06:36, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

She can play ukulele and piano. And probably much more Abbeyl24 (talk) 10:42, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Unnessecary image change

Can someone change the image back to how it was? We don’t need to change the image. CheatCodes4ever (talk) 00:12, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

This current image is worlds better as far as I’m concerned. Trillfendi (talk) 17:13, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm not a fan of the current image personally, because her head looks as if it's floating. On the other hand, I was liking the orange blue pink theme that was going on with the images: 100cellsman (talk) 09:20, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

What we won’t do is have people constantly changing the photo everyday without coming to the talk page to get consensus on which one to use. Apparently different people have “preference” for different ones but it’s becoming disruption now that they’re trying to change it back every day. Trillfendi (talk) 14:21, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

singles off debut album

hello all, not entirely sure how editing on here works but i wanted to bring to your attention that “everything i wanted” is not a single off of “when we all fall asleep, where do we go?” though it is listed as such. have fun doing your thing on here, and sorry that i most likely did not point this out appropriately! Mango Overlord (talk) 02:08, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

argh, meant song, not single** Mango Overlord (talk) 02:10, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Eh you’re right, it was a bonus track that appears to have been released as a promotional single or something like that but not one of the official singles of the album. I will put a note. Trillfendi (talk) 14:24, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

It is specifically listing songs from the album. "Everything I Wanted" has nothing to do with the album so it shouldn't be there in the first place. Even if a note is added, it will just result in more confusion. heyitsben!! 13:39, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Age

Someone really should update her age to 19 - Deepabysm (talk) 19:16, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Deepabysm: The system will do that when she turns 19...in December. —C.Fred (talk) 20:34, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

RfC: Should the main image be changed?

There is a clear consensus to use the previous image, File:Billie Eilish 2019 by Glenn Francis.jpg, instead of File:Billie Eilish at Pukkelpop Festival - 18 AUGUST 2019 (08) (cropped).jpg. There is no prejudice against discussing the use of another image such as those suggested by Koavf.

Cunard (talk) 10:29, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

To avoid a possible edit war, here is an RfC regarding the main image. I personally think this image that was previously used File:Billie_Eilish_2019_by_Glenn_Francis.jpg is more suitable. Should we change it to that one? Aitch & Aitch Aitch (talk) 15:14, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Survey

• Support previous The previous image is the better of the two, it depicts her in a more realistic way and seems less staged. - HAL333 23:58, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support previous It's preferable to me because it's in color and her head doesn't look like it's floating like the current pic is. 100cellsman (talk) 01:02, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support change to File:Billie Eilish @Pukkelpop 2019 (48590443241).jpg or File:Billie Eilish at Pukkelpop Festival - 18 AUGUST 2019 (01) (cropped).jpg. The current image is fantastic but being in black-and-white makes it much less recognizable. The previous photo is fine but not very engaging. The suggestions I've posted show her performing music, which is appropriate. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:43, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support for the reasons stated above. Johnrichardhall (talk) 06:34, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support whatever you do, don't use a black-and-white photo, which is a disservice to her image and music-video aesthetics. Elizium23 (talk) 07:40, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Name in early life section

Hi @Trillfendi - would you mind expanding on why you undid my edit to the early life section? Of course, she was born with the last name O'Connell, but the entire article, when not using her full name, refers to her as "Eilish" rather than "O'Connell." Is there a compelling reason to keep referring to her as O'Connell in this section? Other notable people who go by a different professional name are referred to by that professional last name throughout their articles (for example, Martin Sheen or Cary Grant). I had thought that changing it would add to the article's clarity, but happy to keep as is if that's more in keeping with Misplaced Pages in general. Leyarburns (talk) 18:29, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

During that time, she was just O'Connell and she hadn't established herself as Billie Eilish yet.100cellsman (talk) 19:51, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Fair enough, thank you for clarifying! Leyarburns (talk) 20:07, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

"Bill English"? Seriously?

I removed it yet one of these dodos “reverted” it, for no valid reason. It’s nonsensical. ⌚️ (talk) 19:19, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

And by the way, dodo is a featured article... if you actually read it you’ll find nothing about “personal attacks”. ⌚️ (talk) 19:25, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Agreed, the hatnote is nonsensical and ridiculous. Hatnotes are not for promoting anything remotely resemblant without a real need, and this one is even worse than that. — Mike Novikoff 19:30, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

There's no reason to call people names, this isn't elementary school, we are all adults here. LanHikari64 (talk) 19:40, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

No “names” were called, people just want something to overreact on this uneventful Thursday. None of that changes how idiotic it is to lead people to believe Billie Eilish would be confused with a random politician who isn’t even in office, when there’s no evidence of that happening. ⌚️ (talk) 19:50, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

I agree that it doesn't make much sense, but there is no reason to be rude about it. You called someone a "dodo". That is an insult. Misplaced Pages is no place for playground insults. If someone did something you didn't like, that doesn't mean you have to make a rude comment.LanHikari64 (talk) 19:56, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Does no one realize the irony that said bird doesn’t even exist? ⌚️ (talk) 20:03, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

And? LanHikari64 (talk) 20:04, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Exactly. You’re choosing to get upset about something nonexistent. ⌚️ (talk) 20:06, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

It is extinct, not nonexistent. It's more the secondary meanings of the word, being "one hopelessly behind the times" or "a stupid person". It's rude, and again, this is no place for that. LanHikari64 (talk) 20:10, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Also, kindly do not revert my messages, Davey. LanHikari64 (talk) 19:46, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

• Resetting the discussion: Is there really cause to have a hatnote in the article distinguising Eilish from Bill English? —C.Fred (talk) 21:09, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Probably not. LanHikari64 (talk) 21:24, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm from NZ. I can't imagine anyone would really confuse the 2. Nil Einne (talk) 00:28, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Criticism Section

It seems like there should be a criticism or controversy section. Isn't anyone critical of anything about Billie Eilish? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.213.20.170 (talk) 01:23, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

This isn’t Miley Cyrus. Unless you have reliable sources for such criticism or controversy, which seems to manifestly be the opposite, it won’t go here as there must maintain neutrality. ⌚️ (talk) 03:51, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Neutrality isn't ignoring criticism, on the contrary; only noting praise is not in accordance with WP:NPOV. Critical commentary is valuable where relevant, and that includes criticism. However, a controversy section for its own sake is discouraged. Notable criticism from reliable sources should been integrated in the article, in the relevant section(s). I'd come across a couple articles critiquing the artist's public image and style, for instance (such as ). This should be included in that section especially as she's received a lot of media attention for her image. Lapadite (talk) 09:18, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Adding a criticism section just for the sake of the idea that people might not like her, which this IP was inferring, is not neutral. ⌚️ (talk) 15:03, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

I agree, everything/one has someone that dislikes them. We can't go putting criticism sections on everything. LanHikari64 (talk) 15:47, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Father in infobox

It seems odd to me that there is this page restriction:

"Do not add father until / unless he gets his own Misplaced Pages article"

I suggest this restriction be removed. The omission suggests that his name is not in there for family reasons.
Bkengland (talk) 02:09, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

@Bkengland: Her father is named in the article prose already. I'm not certain on the MOS/guideline around having unlinked topics in infoboxes; I know I've seen it before, so unless there's a good reason (a MOS/guideline) to omit the name from the infobox, I would lean towards inclusion. —Locke Cole • t • c 20:03, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

I agree. --Moscow Connection (talk) 03:32, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Very odd restriction. Of course it should not be redlinked, but otherwise there should be no objections, as long as it's supported by the RS. — Mike Novikoff 03:50, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2020

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Billie Eilish recentaly published a new song called No Time To Die for the new james bond movie Gap-Jacket (talk) 15:41, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.

@Gap-Jacket: Please provide sources that the song has been released. Until we have verification of that, the article will just say that she is scheduled to record the Bond theme. —C.Fred (talk) 15:43, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

@C.Fred: Are you being serious? She released that last week. It’s out for the world to listen to. This has been news. ⌚️ (talk) 18:55, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

@Trillfendi: Then providing a source for the release date should be trivial. —C.Fred (talk) 20:45, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

I wasn't expecting the single this far ahead of the movie, but Billboard reported it was released on Thursday. —C.Fred (talk) 20:49, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 March 2020

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

At the end of the Career section currently, the release of the title track for No Time to Die as a single on February 13 precedes the awards she won at the Grammys ceremony (on January 26). I guess this part of the article came to be written like this because the announcement that she was the artist who recorded (or was going to record) the title track was made before the Grammys ceremony. I suggest removing mention of the announcement, as it is no longer noteworthy now that the single has been released (if I'm wrong and it remains noteworthy, the article should explain that) and moving the rest to follow the Grammys, or separating the sentences about the title track into their own paragraph. —⁠173.129.235.246 (talk) 17:43, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

• I think the announcement caused more furor than the song itself. So the announcement should be mentioned. (I'm not saying the song isn't good. I like it.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 03:39, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

 Partly done: Moscow Connection raises a good point, in that the announcement itself is noteworthy. feminist (talk) 12:47, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2020

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

I want to add more info LazyDog10120 (talk) 23:12, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

• @LazyDog10120: You'll need to be more specific. What info, and based on what reliable sources? —C.Fred (talk) 23:13, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

semi-protected edit request April 9, 2020

I request that the first line of the article be changed to "...is an American singer, songwriter, and director." Billie has directed two of her music videos.

Under the Artistry heading, it should be included that Billie directed the music video for her song "everything i wanted" which was released 23 January 2020.

Additionally, most of Billie's song titles are stylized using all lowercase letters, yet this article capitalizes all her song titles. This should be changed.

Goat Billie (talk) 02:52, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

RfC: Should the main image be changed? 2

Please consider joining the feedback request service. An editor has requested comments from other editors for this discussion. This page has been added to the following list: Biographies When discussion has ended, remove this tag and it will be removed from the list. If this page is on additional lists, they will be noted below.

Addition 18:34, 15 April 2020 (UTC): on the current photo her cheeks and ears are entirely obscured by her hair, which is not typical for her look. The shape of her head (which is important for identification) is hard to judge from the current photo. The bangs that are hanging over her face in the Pukkelpop photo actually are typical for her look, just Google billie eilish performing.

Original text: I've just uploaded a new image for the infobox only to find a comment in the wikicode to tell me about #RfC: Should the main image be changed? and how the main image shall not be changed without discussion.

I like her Pukkelpop performance photo better than the current image. Pinging @Aitch & Aitch Aitch, HAL333, 100cellsman, Koavf, Johnrichardhall, Elizium23, Cunard. - Alexis Jazz 22:31, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

• Agreed that the second image is better: it shows her performing. Both are good for representing her and the first image shows a very direct shot of her face but the second one is more dynamic and still gets across what she looks like. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:40, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

If you want this to actually be a request for comment you have to use the request for comment template. ⌚️ (talk) 22:53, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@Trillfendi: like this? I don't know if RfC is required, but considering this was decided with an RfC last time I figured it may be. - Alexis Jazz 22:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

It looks alright. Just not a fan of the bangs on her face, personally. 웃OO 23:49, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

• Second image. The main thing I will say is that her hair color and look change frequently, and the Pukkelpop image captures that updated look well. Elizium23 (talk) 03:19, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
• Second image is better as per discussions made above by Justin (koavf)❤ & Elizium23. Idealigic (talk) 07:17, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
• First image is better in my opinion. I feel like it gives a better sense of what she looks like. Aitch & Aitch Aitch (talk) 11:51, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
• First image per Aitch & Aitch Aitch. She is more identifiable in the first photo. However another good alternative is File:Billie Eilish at Pukkelpop Festival - 18 AUGUST 2019 (08) (cropped).jpg. It may not show her current true hair colour but she is more indentifiable in this one than in the second image (eyes are tense/flexed; hair in face; open mouth) and gives it a better representation of her face shape than in the first image (hair hides jaw and teeth; head is at an awkward angle). heyitsben!! 12:36, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
  • @Aitch & Aitch Aitch and HeyitsBen: I don't know if it makes a difference, but a narrower crop is possible, see the added square crop. HeyitsBen, that black and white photo is exactly the one that was rejected in the previous RfC. - Alexis Jazz 12:58, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

  HeyitsBen, there was a discussion a while ago to decide against using that photo. QueerFilmNerd 19:00, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

• First Image I still think that one's better. ~ HAL333 18:27, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
• Second image, I can't really say why, I just like it better than the first one if I'm being honest. QueerFilmNerd 19:01, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
• First image (the current image) since you can see more of her face. 2nd image has her head turning sideways, with bangs covering part of her face and a microphone to her face; it belongs more in the body of the article, not as a lead image. Some1 (talk) 00:03, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
  • @Some1: I see your point, but do keep in mind that those bangs don't appear to be an accident. Just Google billie eilish performing and you'll find a lot of photos with her bangs all over the place. Arguably those are part of her image. Second, on the current photo her cheeks and ears are entirely obscured by her hair, and that is not typical for her appearance. I'd argue you can see less of her face on the current photo. - Alexis Jazz 18:34, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

1. https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/8548869/billie-eilish-everything-i-wanted-music-video-finneas

• Biography articles of living people
• All unassessed articles
• B-Class Alternative music articles
• Low-importance Alternative music articles
• WikiProject Alternative music articles
• B-Class biography articles
• B-Class biography (arts and entertainment) articles
• Unknown-importance biography (arts and entertainment) articles
• Arts and entertainment work group articles
• WikiProject Biography articles
• B-Class California articles
• Low-importance California articles
• WikiProject California articles
• B-Class electronic music articles
• Low-importance electronic music articles
• WikiProject Electronic music articles
• B-Class Hip-hop articles
• Low-importance Hip-hop articles
• WikiProject Hip-hop articles
• B-Class Pop music articles
• Mid-importance Pop music articles
• Pop music articles
• B-Class Rock music articles
• Low-importance Rock music articles
• WikiProject Rock music articles
• B-Class WikiProject Women articles
• All WikiProject Women-related pages
• WikiProject Women articles
• B-Class Women in music articles
• Mid-importance Women in music articles
• WikiProject Women in Music articles
• Misplaced Pages requests for comment