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An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Sathya. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Sathya/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Sathya/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 21:45, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Sathya Sai Baba

This case is now closed and the result has been published at the link above.

• Negative information in an article or on a talk page regarding Sathya Sai Baba or organizations affiliated with him which is poorly sourced may be removed without discussion. The three revert rule shall not apply to such removal. This includes links to critical websites which contain original research or which consist of personal accounts of negative experiences with Sathya Sai Baba or organizations affiliated with him. It is inappropriate for a user to insert a link to a website maintained by the user (or in which the user plays an important role).
• Information in an article or on a talk page regarding Sathya Sai Baba or organizations affiliated with him which is poorly sourced may be removed. This includes links to websites which contain original research or which consist of personal accounts of experiences with Sathya Sai Baba or organizations affiliated with him. It is inappropriate for a user to insert a link to a website maintained by the user (or in which the user plays an important role)
• Andries and SSB108 are forgiven any offenses they have committed by introducing unreliable information into the article and encouraged to edit in compliance with Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources and Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons.

Harassment and stalking

Note SSS108. You have stalked me on Misplaced Pages, trying to disrupt my editing of the Arne Næss page. on which subject you have no knowledge, not least since he is Norwegian. To disrupt my editing by blanking my entry from mere spite is stalking. I do not wish you to send me messages to my user pages, so please desist. And desist from blanking material I put on other Misplaced Pages articles, or you can be charged with vandalism, you know!

I remind you of some rules on Misplaced Pages: Harassment is defined as a pattern of disruptive behavior that appears to a reasonable and objective observer to have the purpose of causing negative emotions in a targeted person or persons, usually (but not always) for the purpose of intimidating the primary target. The purpose could be to make editing Misplaced Pages unpleasant for the target, to undermine them, to frighten them, or to encourage them to stop editing entirely.

"Harassment is sometimes described as a violation of don't disrupt Misplaced Pages to prove a point or no personal attacks, but is properly both a subset and special case of both, while at the same time being separate from both for definition reasons. The policy of "no personal attacks" is primarily about content, not behavior (for example, calling certain editors "assholes" is a violation of NPA, but is not in itself harassment), while the policy of "don't disrupt Misplaced Pages to prove a point" covers many less malicious behaviors that, while unacceptable, are not as bad as harassment (for example, disruption intended to support a cause). And yet, it is a subset of both, in that it is disruption to prove a point, and it is an attempt to personally attack another editor of Misplaced Pages."

Stalking is a legal term for repeated harassment or other forms of invasion of a person's privacy in a manner that causes fear to its target. Statutes vary between jurisdiction but may include such acts as: repeated following; unwanted contact (by letter or other means of communication); observing a person's actions closely for an extended period of time; or contacting family members, friends, or associates of a target inappropriately cyberstalking

You are also guilty of this on a large scale, and you know it. More precisely, you engage in what Misplaced Pages defines as:

"Cyberstalking is the use of the Internet or other electronic means to stalk someone. This term is used interchangeably with online harassment and online abuse.

A cyberstalker follows the victim's online activity to gather information, initiate contact, make threats, or engage in other forms of verbal intimidation. Cyberstalkers target victims using online forums, bulletin boards, chat rooms, spyware, and spam. They may engage in live chat harassment or flaming (online verbal abuse and/or character defamation); leaving improper messages on message boards or in guest books; sending electronic viruses; sending unsolicited e-mail; tracing another person's computer and Internet activity, and electronic identity theft." Before you try to mirror this back at me, you chief tactic, I point out that I am NOT guilty of anything like this, hence - though would in character doubtless like to claim it of me, it is untrue! --ProEdits 20:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

If you are so sure I have been stalking you on Misplaced Pages, file a complaint. It's not difficult to do. All of your activity is easily traceable and no one needs to "stalk" you to get it. How I keep track of your activity is no different than how Andries keep track of my activity (and vice-versa). You are all word and no action. The page about Arne Næss contained original research, which is not allowed on Misplaced Pages. You even called your material "original research" Ref. You are obviously oblivious to Misplaced Pages's policies on original research and citing reliable sources.

If you continue to post your long, rambling diatribes on my Talk Page, I will delete your posts. Take you whine, babble and venom elsewhere. I think if anyone has a case for "harrassment", it is I against you. SSS108 20:58, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Blatant Untruths From ProEdits

False Claims Of Deleting Information

Robert Priddy — aka ProEdits (talk · contribs) aka 84.208.99.96 (talk · contribs) aka 80.111.21.76 (talk · contribs) — made a defamatory complaint against me on Angela's Misplaced Pages Talk Page: Reference.

Since Priddy made his comment on the top of Angela's talk page (instead of the bottom where it should have been made) Angela moved Priddy's comment to the bottom of the page where it belonged: Reference.

Because Angela moved the comment, Priddy (unable to find his previous comment) reposted it again: Reference.

Without any proof, Priddy jumped to the worst case conspiratorial view and erroneously claimed that I removed his post. Priddy said, "You will see the determination of Moreno to stop you knowing what I wrote by the fact that he has deleted my request to you in your user paeg (see below on the discussion page). Just goes to emphasizse my point. Moreno is a full-time stalker and defamer. Robert Priddy (Refs: 01 - 02)

That's right! Robert Priddy claimed I removed the text and insulted me as a "stalker" and "defamer" although Angela moved Priddy's comment herself. I never touched or edited that page!

This the guy who is trying to portray himself as honest, sober and fair-minded. He defames me for his paranoid errors and is wholly unapologetic! SSS108 01:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

False Claims Against Me About Comments I Did Not Make

On June 11th 2006, a person with the IP 210.210.37.103 submitted a comment on the Sathya Sai Baba talk page that stated the following:

• Hii Mr Kazlev, This is the anonymous poster. Hope you are doing well. By the way, due to your suggestion, i've selected a pseudonym which will be "Mad". I also agree with your comment on the inefficiency of the whole process of the endless argument and fights to get over a point. Many a times i've thought about the amount of time people spend on this page about editing, reverting and what not...And used to think that if the people over here click on the link www.thehungersite.com during that time or send that link to other people they know, more hungry people will get food. At the same time, till now, i haven't seen anything that would not lead me to a conclusion of not supporting what SSS108 has been doing. If everybody left this page thinking that its difficult to face the bickerings, onslaught of edits (covert and overt), then this page would certainly wouldn't have improved. This is more important when there has been "co-incidence" edits at many a point of time whenever there comes a report which is pro Sathya Sai. So while i would prefer to spend my time clicking on www.thehungersite.com, i would like to extend my support to SSS108 with the work he is doing. Mr Kazlev, so we can join up together to increase the number of clickings on www.thehungersite.com Hope you accept my invitation. "Mad" Reference

Robert Priddy — aka ProEdits (talk · contribs) aka 84.208.99.96 (talk · contribs) aka 80.111.21.76 (talk · contribs) — wrote the following about this comment:

• Editors, please note how Moreno replies to a question with a derogatory diatribe and an assertion of "madness! Who is most obsessed with propaganda, Andries or Moreno, is as clear as day to those who read even a fraction of the endless Morenos' web pages and postings and the comparatively very few by Andries.--ProEdits 14:16, 6 September 2006 (UTC) Reference

This is yet another blatant lie by ProEdits against me. I did not make that post and ProEdits is jumping to conclusions a prirori and is defaming me with his unsupported, erroneous and spiteful accusations. This from someone who claims he knows how to research his facts and claims he is honest and truthful. I think the facts show otherwise. SSS108 01:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

False Accusation Against Freelanceresearch

Robert Priddy — aka ProEdits (talk · contribs) aka 84.208.99.96 (talk · contribs) aka 80.111.21.76 (talk · contribs) — made the following comment about Freelanceresearch on the Sathya Sai Baba Misplaced Pages talk page:

• We are not the ones who need to be careful as we do not break the laws on slander as Freelanceresearch has done on Yahoo groups sathyasaibaba2 endlessly... the same Lisa de Witt having even been banned from Misplaced Pages for that previously too! As usual, she makes big claims without anything that can be called supporting evidence - circumstantial or otherwise, as is seen above. I am stating fact, not slander without using derogatory terms like 'sleazy' (Refs: 01 - 02)

According to the Misplaced Pages Block Log For Freelanceresearch, she has never been "banned from Misplaced Pages". After having pressure put on ProEdits by both Freelanceresearch and myself, he admitted that he made a mistake and retracted his comment. He said:

• I wish to correct my former statement that Lisa de Witt was banned from Misplaced Pages. I find I was misinformed by someone who commented thus, but - having checked thoroughly - I find no evidence of it. I am removing my unfortunate mistake. Interesting that Lisa de Witt admits that she and Moreno are co-responsible for the mean-spirited atmosphere here - this was also obvious long, long before I entered this page with some fairly restrained comments about them (Reference).

As if this can't be embarrassing enough, Freelanceresearch never "admitted" that we were "co-responsible for the mean-spirited atmosphere". As a matter of fact, Freelanceresearch said:

• Joe and I are not the ones responsible for the mean-spirited atmosphere here. Wherever the anti-Sais travel their toxic behavior and agenda of hate and lies goes with them (Reference).

The untruths keep multiplying. SSS108 01:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

False Claims Of Harrassment & Stalking

Robert Priddy — aka ProEdits (talk · contribs) aka 84.208.99.96 (talk · contribs) aka 80.111.21.76 (talk · contribs) — wrote a rambling diatribe on my talk page (Reference) falsly accusing me of "harrassment and stalking". The only "evidence" he cited against me (pertaining to Misplaced Pages) was one edit on the Arne Næss article (without even referencing his complaint). I simply removed the original research that ProEdits (Robert Priddy) added to the Arne Næss article. As a matter of fact, ProEdits (Robert Priddy) wrote, "This synopsis is based on original research by a former teacher of Arne Næss' work for many years at the University of Oslo, Robert Priddy" (Reference). To further strengthen my point, View The History Tab for the Arne Næss article. I only made one edit there. That's it. SSS108 01:54, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Attacking Me On My User Page

Robert Priddy — aka ProEdits (talk · contribs) aka 84.208.99.96 (talk · contribs) aka 80.111.21.76 (talk · contribs) — attacked me on my user page, although my user page specifically requests others not to edit it Reference. He was given a warning about his vandalism by 1568 Reference.

Lies About Me Having A Guru

Robert Priddy — aka ProEdits (talk · contribs) aka 84.208.99.96 (talk · contribs) aka 80.111.21.76 (talk · contribs) — said (emphasis added by me):

• "I have not stated that SSS108 is a devotee of Sathya Sai Baba, nor that he is Moreno's guru since he surprisingly declared this himself after some time about 2 years ago" (Reference).

Priddy made this comment after I stated that I am not a follower of Sathya Sai Baba (Reference). I never "declared" Sathya Sai Baba as my guru "2 years ago". This is a bold-faced and unsourced untruth. Regarding Priddy's comments that he never stated that Sathya Sai Baba was my guru, look at the following quotes where he stated exactly that:

• "In my haste I thought the user page was specifically related to the attempt by Gerald Moreno, a person who defames and stalks me throughout the web because I am a critic of his guru, Sathya Sai Baba" (Reference).
• "I feel I do at least have a moral right to refute arguments directed against me...and will be further injured by a subjective account by a Sai follower, if it is not truly an independent public document" (Reference).
• "He is not only a defamer and critic of me, but of all critics of his highly doubtful guru, Sri Sathya Sai Baba..." (Reference).

Please do not reveal real names

SSS108, please do not continue to violate Misplaced Pages:privacy by revealing the real name of user:Ekantik. As per arbcom decision in this respect, I will however keep on using your name because you yourself keep revealing it. Andries 06:53, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I filed a complaint about your behavior. See . Andries 17:15, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

And you did it again on the noticeboard page. Look, if the guy wanted to keep his name a secret, then he has the right to. What you are doing is considered stalking and that is not a good thing. I ask you to stop now. If the person wanted to reveal their name, then they would (like I have). But, the editor chose not to do so and we should respect his right to not use his real name. User:Zscout370 18:49, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

What about his stalking of me on the internet and creating a blog specifically attacking me on Misplaced Pages? I said I would respect his wish as long as he doesn't attempt to portray himself as a netural editor who does not have a POV to push and that he is somehow not connected to the Sai Controversy. He is. He chose to engage in debates with me first, which led to my discovery of his sockpuppet. That isn't stalking. SSS108 18:56, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Debates? If I add my comments to Talk:Sathya Sai Baba regarding problems with the article then that isn't a debate addressed specifically to you, but for all editors. You are not the owner of that article. And yes, according to Misplaced Pages policies your actions can be interpreted as stalking. After all, you had to dig into my edit history to find something wrong with it and according to Misplaced Pages:Suspected_sock_puppets/Ekantik I have shown that almost all your accusations have reasonable explanations. Your sockpuppetry allegation has effectively collapsed, yet you continue to discuss disruptive information that bears no relation to the original sockpuppetry complaint. All of your actions are in violation of several Misplaced Pages poolicies and guidelines and you can be blocked for them. Please desist from being disruptive and stop revealing people's identities in violation of their requests. ekantiK 04:06, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Breach Of Privacy

Misplaced Pages operates on the principle that every contributor has a right if they wish to remain completely anonymous. Misplaced Pages policy on that issue is strictly enforced. Posting private information about a user with the intent to annoy, threaten or harass, specifically their (alleged) name and/or personal details, is strictly prohibited as harassment, and users who do that are often immediately blocked from editing Misplaced Pages.

Such posting can cause offense or embarrassment to the victim of the posting, not least because it means that their name, and any personal criticism or allegations made against them can then appear on web searches. If you have posted such information, please remove it immediately. Please then follow the link to this page and inform people there that the information was posted (but crucially, do not repost it on that page). An admin or developer can then remove the information from the archives of Misplaced Pages.

If you do not ensure that personal information you posted is removed from this site you may be blocked from editing this site. REMEMBER: Misplaced Pages's privacy policy is there to protect the privacy of every user, including you.

ekantiK 04:07, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

In accordance with the instructions on this template, please remove your offences at the following locations: diff1, diff2, diff3, diff4, and diff5. You were asked to stop violating privacy by Administrator Zscout370 and Administrator Jossi has already attempted to refactor one of your privacy violations before you proceeded to continue (evidence). ekantiK 04:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Response To Ekantik aka Gaurasundara

Ekantik/Gaurasundara, please stop using my talk page as a forum to push your venom and whine (just as you do on your blog specifically attacking me and my involvement on Misplaced Pages). You have shown nothing except your attempt to deceive others that you are a neutral editor who does not have a POV to push (despite the fact that you are the most vocal critic and opponent of Sathya Sai Baba on the internet). Your thousands of defamatory, vulgar, sexually-explicit and grotesque posts against Sathya Sai Baba stand in testament to this fact (as I have stated before ). Any Google search for "sathya sai baba+gaurasundara" () will bring up the relevant results.

Your edit history is public domain Ekantik (talk · contribs) / Gaurasundara (talk · contribs) and anyone can view it. By posting on Misplaced Pages, all of your edits are accessible to anyone at any time. Contrary to your assertions that I am "stalking" you (a mantra you have parroted numerous times on other forums), it is clear that you are stalking me. After attacking and defaming me all over the internet (and creating a blog specifically attacking me and my involvement on Misplaced Pages), you "innocently" appear on the Sathya Sai Baba article, engaged me in debate incognito and made edits all in exclusive association with the Sai Controversy. When Jossi asked you if you considered yourself a POV editor () you said "no" () even though you know full well that you are a Sai Critic/Ex-devotee. You continually and unremittingly accuse Sathya Sai Baba of being a "homosexual paedophile" and "faggot" despite the fact that he has never been convicted of any crime, has never been charged with any crime and has never had even one single complaint lodged against him first-hand by any alleged victim in India.

And my sockpuppetry claim against you has not "collapsed". To the contrary, you confirmed it by admitting that you are Gaurasundara (). As long as you edit on the Sathya Sai Baba article, you will be held accountable for your extra-Misplaced Pages status as a critic, defamer and ex-devotee of Sathya Sai Baba. Get used to it.

If you want this discussion to stop, I suggest you bring it to an end. SSS108 12:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

If you want this discussion to stop, I suggest that you stop using my real name and behave in accordance with Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines. ekantiK 03:46, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I suggest you catch up: SSS108 04:07, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Inclusion Of Website Link

SSS108, so should we or should we not include your website into the Sathya Sai Baba article? By the way, you are the webmaster of http://www.saisathyasai.com , aren't you? Please tell me if by writing this I am stalking. 15:05 (UTC+1) 10 Dec. 2006 Kkrystian Modified: 15:09

We should not, because it is defamatory of the critics of SSB. Much of the websites contains interpretations and viewpoints that contradict reputable sources. And as such it is worse than Misplaced Pages:original research. Andries 14:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the inclusion of saisathyasai.com, I already expressed my view that we should not include the link because it will cause another uproar by Andries & Co. As you already know, when it comes to highly defamatory content by Robert Priddy, Andries will argue the exact opposite of what he is arguing now. Andries is a POV pusher due his former webmaster status and current "Main Representative, Supervisor And Contact" for the largest website opposing Sathya Sai Baba on the internet . Best to drop the issue. Now there are two well known Anti-Sai Activists to deal with: Andries and Ekantik / Gaurasundara. SSS108 18:06, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I am the webmaster for saisathyasai.com SSS108 18:12, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

No, you are not stalking me :-) SSS108 18:12, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

That is a different issue. If Robert Priddy is notable then it is because of his writings critical of SSB. Of course his article should link to his writings that make him notable on his own homepage. It is very similar with Michael Moore who became notable because of his criticism of George W. Bush and of coures his homepage should be linked to even it is defamatory reg. Bush. See Talk:Michael_Moore#Violation_of_WP:BLP. If you had your own article then of course that article could link to your homepage defaming me and Priddy. Andries 18:16, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

For the umpteenth time, the link you want to include on Robert Priddy's page is not his "homepage". It is an Anti-Sai Site exclusively attacking Sathya Sai Baba. And I am not alone in my opinion. You were warned against including that link by admin . As I said before, you will argue hard and long to push your Anti-Sai Agenda because you are a POV pusher, self-admitted critic and ex-devotee of Sathya Sai Baba and former webmaster and current "Main Reresentative, Supervisor And Contact" for the largest Anti-Sai website on the internet . SSS108 18:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your upteenth explanation that I still consider completely unconvincing. I will only revert, because discussion seems to be endless between us without any side coming a millimeter closer. Andries 18:26, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

You will revert what? And by the way, I am not aware of any ArbCom ruling on the George W. Bush or Michael Moore wiki-pages that prevents linking to critical and negative sites, as outlined by the ArbCom ruling on the Sathya Sai Baba article. You can't use other pages to make your arguments. There is now an ArbCom ruling that must be taken into account. SSS108 18:30, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes you can use other pages to make arguments. Precedents are quoted all over Misplaced Pages in discussions. What is your rationale for arguing that Priddy's site is an "Anti-Sai site" and not a homepage? ekantiK 03:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Ekantik/Gaurasundara, Andries and ProEdits (Robert Priddy) are all collaborators and belong to the very same Anti-Sai Group that systematically attacks Sathya Sai Baba on the internet. I do not have to explain myself to you, of all people, Ekantik/Gaurasundara. Admin has already spoken about this issue and that is all I need to say. SSS108 04:21, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I might have missed it somewhere. Please edify me about the rationale which you employ. ekantiK 04:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

You see the link in my previous post. Place your cursor over it and left-click on it. Please direct your questions to the Admin who made that comment. SSS108 05:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, but I am not asking what Admin think of it in connection with the ArbCom ruling. I am asking what rationale you are employing in determining Priddy's site as an "Anti Sai site" and not a homepage. Thanks in advance. ekantiK 06:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

You've got to be kidding? Right? Keep babbling. You are going to be ignored. SSS108 06:15, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

No I am not kidding. I am asking you to provide a rationale for one of your fundamental arguments. Thank you for violating WP:CIVIL and not pointing me to a Misplaced Pages policy or guideline that supports your theory. I'll also thank you to carry this out. ekantiK 06:28, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

No Personal Attacks

With regards to your comments on Sathya Sai Baba: Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Ekantik 04:32, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Ekantik aka Gaurasundara, there you go again acting like an Admin. Too funny. And if you are so committed to no personal attacks, explain why you created a public blog specifically attacking me and my involvement on Misplaced Pages? Explain why you have made numerous derogatory comments against me on Yahoo Groups and forums about my involvement on Misplaced Pages (which has already been discussed earlier on this page)? I suggest you read Off Wiki Personal Attacks while you are so busy acting like an Admin and citing Misplaced Pages policies. You viciously attack me off Misplaced Pages about my invovlement on Misplaced Pages and then you have the audacity to tell me not to attack you when I rightly point out your Anti-Sai Bais and vicious defamations against Sathya Sai Baba. I know you must always have the last word (as you do outside Misplaced Pages) and I will tell you once again to stop using my talk page as a forum for your venom and whine. SSS108 04:43, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

This is your second warning. Please stop. If you continue to make personal attacks on other people as you did at Sathya Sai Baba, you will be blocked for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Thank you.

Re your above complaints, "Attack" seems to be your favourite word of late. If you use Misplaced Pages as a vehicle to push your bias in favour of Sathya Sai Baba, you can expect your edits to be reviewed by other editors just as you do to them. The blog you keep referring to was created prior to my joining Misplaced Pages. In addition I may draw attention to your numerous derogatory comments on Yahoo groups and other venues (which far exceed mine when you consider the number of websites and blogs you author that specifically slander me). You were recently reminded by Admin Jossi about off-wiki attacks that you continue to engage in. Misplaced Pages does not directly penalise editors for such attacks but such actions may be considered aggravating factors during dispute resolution and other procedural matters. I would very much love to stop using your talk page as a "vehicle to whine and spew venom" just as soon as you cut it with the personal attacks. Please comply. Ekantik 04:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I am not going to stop. File a complaint. And I would like to see my off-Wiki posts attacking you and your involvement on Misplaced Pages? SSS108 05:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)