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| *'''Redirect''' (we don't even need a merge currently - material is in position.) This historically considered location is covered perfectly adequately and ''in context'' at ]. I don't see any gain from ripping it out. Can't pronounce on precedents for treating historic locations and their hypothetical identities in separate articles - the only one that comes to my mind is ] and ], but these are both large topics on their own and would overwhelm a single article. Clearly not the case here. --<span style="font-family:Courier">]</span> <small>(] · ])</small> 19:05, 3 May 2020 (UTC) | *'''Redirect''' (we don't even need a merge currently - material is in position.) This historically considered location is covered perfectly adequately and ''in context'' at ]. I don't see any gain from ripping it out. Can't pronounce on precedents for treating historic locations and their hypothetical identities in separate articles - the only one that comes to my mind is ] and ], but these are both large topics on their own and would overwhelm a single article. Clearly not the case here. --<span style="font-family:Courier">]</span> <small>(] · ])</small> 19:05, 3 May 2020 (UTC) | ||
| :: What you missed is that Well of Harod is no longer considered the historical identity of Ain Jalut. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 01:51, 4 May 2020 (UTC) | :: What you missed is that Well of Harod is no longer considered the historical identity of Ain Jalut. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 01:51, 4 May 2020 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Merge/Delete''' - These are surely the same location, though even if not, the content and context fit easily into Well of Harod, so a spin-off article like this is entirely unnecessary. ] (]) 03:22, 4 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
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This is a content fork, copied over from Well_of_Harod#Ain_Jalut, after the creator of this article couldn't get Well of Harod renamed to Ain Jalut. I suggested a redirect (instead of deleting the fork}, but the other editor refuses, and edit warred the content back in and suggested an AfD. Also see Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Inappropriate_Article_creation_by_Onceinawhile JungerMan Chips Ahoy! (talk) 22:24, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Asia-related deletion discussions. JungerMan Chips Ahoy! (talk) 22:24, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- Merge Clear WP:POVFORK merge anything useful to Well of Harod --Shrike (talk) 22:33, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU 23:12, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect to Well of Harod - POV fork. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:50, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Sir Joseph 05:43, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. We can consider delete or merge when there are two articles on the same place. However, as demonstrated at Talk:Well of Harod, the most recent scholarly opinion is that they are not the same place. With this knowledge, the case for them being covered together is gone. Zero 07:05, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- Zero0000, It really doesn't matter if a biblical well of harod is different place what matters is that the WP:commonname of place knowns as Ain Jalut is Well of Harod and the original article was about that place. The creation was disruptive attempt to circumvent the move procedure Shrike (talk) 07:28, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- It is perfectly reasonable and normal for there to be two articles for two locations. The only question here is what the names of the articles should be, and you correctly note that this is complicated by the fact that the name of one of the places is commonly used for the other place. The way to resolve that is to discuss the article names in a proper place, i.e. not AfD, not to force us to have one article for two places. Zero 08:15, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- To determine name there are proper move procedure that instead of using it created the article about the same geographical place --Shrike (talk) 13:40, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- A move procedure cannot create a second article. Two places should mean two articles. Suggest a process. Zero 14:47, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- These are not two places, and all the material in theWP:POVFORK is in the original article. JungerMan Chips Ahoy! (talk) 14:50, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- You are describing material that I personally added to the Well of Harod article a couple of weeks ago, two days before sources were provided showing that these are actually two distinct topics. I moved the relevant information to the Ain Jalut article; you added it back to Well of Harod. The overlap is there because you want it to be. Onceinawhile (talk) 15:05, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- These are not two places, and all the material in theWP:POVFORK is in the original article. JungerMan Chips Ahoy! (talk) 14:50, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- A move procedure cannot create a second article. Two places should mean two articles. Suggest a process. Zero 14:47, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- To determine name there are proper move procedure that instead of using it created the article about the same geographical place --Shrike (talk) 13:40, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- It is perfectly reasonable and normal for there to be two articles for two locations. The only question here is what the names of the articles should be, and you correctly note that this is complicated by the fact that the name of one of the places is commonly used for the other place. The way to resolve that is to discuss the article names in a proper place, i.e. not AfD, not to force us to have one article for two places. Zero 08:15, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- Zero0000, It really doesn't matter if a biblical well of harod is different place what matters is that the WP:commonname of place knowns as Ain Jalut is Well of Harod and the original article was about that place. The creation was disruptive attempt to circumvent the move procedure Shrike (talk) 07:28, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect to Well of Harod 81.111.119.153 (talk) 13:21, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- IPs who come along and don't even bother to provide reasons should of course be ignored. Zero 14:44, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- Pompous registered accounts should take some good faith from where the sun doesn't shine. As you ask, as per nom and as perWP:POVFORK. 81.111.119.153 (talk) 18:18, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect (we don't even need a merge currently - material is in position.) This historically considered location is covered perfectly adequately and in context at Well of Harod. I don't see any gain from ripping it out. Can't pronounce on precedents for treating historic locations and their hypothetical identities in separate articles - the only one that comes to my mind is Troy and Hisarlik, but these are both large topics on their own and would overwhelm a single article. Clearly not the case here. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 19:05, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- What you missed is that Well of Harod is no longer considered the historical identity of Ain Jalut. Zero 01:51, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- Merge/Delete - These are surely the same location, though even if not, the content and context fit easily into Well of Harod, so a spin-off article like this is entirely unnecessary. Patiodweller (talk) 03:22, 4 May 2020 (UTC)