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| {{n.b.}} I have moved this conversation to the ]. You can view it there and continue the discussion on the talk page. Please do not add any more comments here. Thanks! Galendalia <sub>CVU Member</sub> \ <sup>]</sup> 05:29, 14 May 2020 (UTC) <hr> | {{n.b.}} I have moved this conversation to the ]. You can view it there and continue the discussion on the talk page. Please do not add any more comments here. Thanks! Galendalia <sub>CVU Member</sub> \ <sup>]</sup> 05:29, 14 May 2020 (UTC) <hr> | ||
| It is accurately worded. Multiple mainstream news sources are cited. Eloquence is not a requirement. Organisation own websites are cited elsewhere in article. Where else other than organisation own documents would one cite for proof of membership? A history of allowing known child abusers to conduct youth outreach work is a significant aspect of an organisation history. | |||
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* I have moved this conversation to the article talk page. You can view it there and continue the discussion on the talk page. Thanks! Galendalia CVU Member \ 05:29, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello Linn C Doyle. I have reverted your edit here, because it comprised original research. It is generally fine to post original research on the Internet, but it is not suitable for Misplaced Pages (see Misplaced Pages:No original research). That said, you introduced a legitimate topic to the page, but one that we can include only once a secondary source (e.g., a newspaper, journal) asserts these findings. You did, however, cite one post from Michigan Radio -- while it seems to be a reliable source, I decided to take it off, because it only references the Sword of the Spirit in passing (the article seems to be about an individual, not the organization he is/was connected to). Please let me know if you have any questions, Arbitrarily0 20:31, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- Hello.
- Multiple new sources and web pages (from official organisation website as per rest of article) were referenced.
- Multiple mainstream newspaper sources and magazine sources were included: Times Union , The Troubadour, National Catholic Reporter, Michigan Radio.
- This is therefore not original research as per the description of reliable sources to include "mainstream newspapers" and "magazines" in accordance with Misplaced Pages guidlines.
- I have reverted your edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Linn C Doyle (talk • contribs)
- Thanks for your reply. Let me try to clarify: the Times Union, National Catholic Reporter, and the Troubadour are reliable sources, but those articles do not mention the Sword of the Spirit. Are you saying that the accused/convicted individuals are/were members of the Sword of the Spirit? If so, there needs to be reliable sources asserting that. Even then, however, I'm not sure this information belongs on this page. Take, for example, the NBA. Some NBA players have done notable things on their own (whether meritorious or, like in this case, nefarious). However, such player-specific information belongs on the individual player's article, not the NBA article. Arbitrarily0 13:47, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
- Hello
- Reference to webpages include web-pages detailing membership of individual members on organisation official website or on web pages containing copies of organisation official documents. Reference to web-pages detailing youth outreach work relevant to these organisations throughout the time of these raised concerns is included in web-pages.
- This article pertains specifically to an ongoing child-safety concern spscific to Sword of the Spirit and Servants of the Word policy and membership. It is not a random collection of information which belongs to individuals.
- I have reverted your edit.
- I have reverted your edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Linn C Doyle (talk • contribs)
- Hello again! I've asked for another opinion on this question, in hopes of reaching a conclusion. Arbitrarily0 01:56, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- I have reverted your edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Linn C Doyle (talk • contribs)
* I have moved this conversation to the article talk page. You can view it there and continue the discussion on the talk page. Please do not add any more comments here. Thanks! Galendalia CVU Member \ 05:29, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
It is accurately worded. Multiple mainstream news sources are cited. Eloquence is not a requirement. Organisation own websites are cited elsewhere in article. Where else other than organisation own documents would one cite for proof of membership? A history of allowing known child abusers to conduct youth outreach work is a significant aspect of an organisation history.
Recap
Dear Lynn C. Doyle. The editor providing a third opinion has recommended that this material is not suitable for inclusion. I have followed his opinion, but I can imagine you might disagree. If so, please continue the discussion on Talk:Sword of the Spirit, rather than reverting the edit, so that we can come to a consensus (see Misplaced Pages's related guideline here). Also, please let me know if you have any questions about this process. Arbitrarily0 20:47, 14 May 2020 (UTC)