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Just for what it's worth. The forum shopping seems to come from posting it at and . If that qualifies as forum shopping? Eh I dunno. I have not looked into the misrepresenting sources comment yet. ] (]) 20:20, 20 May 2020 (UTC) Just for what it's worth. The forum shopping seems to come from posting it at and . If that qualifies as forum shopping? Eh I dunno. I have not looked into the misrepresenting sources comment yet. ] (]) 20:20, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

====Statement by Bstephens393====
Oh boy, I had no idea that it would get to this point once again. I recently came back from a long PhD hiatus, but after going through the article's talk page I should probably make a few comments here. I've don't wanted to get involved with any mudslinging.

First, I think Bloodofox is right in the sense that the New Religious Movement label is backed up by several reliable sources, and it absolutely needs to be mentioned in the article and given due weight. I have little tolerance for those who're trying to scrub it. The core of the debate is whether the different characterizations and definitions found in the mainstream academic sources ought to be described per WP:NPOV and WP:V, or if we should stick to one "master definition" (whether it's NRM, spiritual practice, or whatever suits your fancy.) Personally I think the former approach is better. Why would it be a ''bad'' thing to explain that there are various characterizations in reputable third-party sources? I really haven't seen a lot of opposition to that, with the exception of some random editors who just don't seem to understand how Misplaced Pages works, or who simply don't care.

One thing to keep in mind is that the FLG articles are under discretionary sanctions because there have been several attempts by both sides of this discursive struggle to take control. Several editors were dragged to arbitration and banned over the years for propagandizing either with a pro-FLG/anti-CCP ''or'' an anti-FLG/pro-CCP agenda. The status quo of the articles was extensively scrutinized in previous arbitration and mediation cases, and there must be a few books worth of back-and-forth discussions about the complexities involved. From what I was able to tell, everyone (including admins) decided a few years ago that major edits to these articles should be done by obtaining support and having good faith discussions on the talk page, as well as avoiding all ''ad hominem'' attacks. The discretionary sanctions were put in place to enforce that. To me it seems that Bloodofox has been quite eager to make a large number of significant changes in a short period of time and wield major definitional power without addressing the substance of some eminent concerns. It is unfortunate that this should escalate into edit warring and such; is it because of impatience or frustration with the discussion process that's inherently involved in these kinds of cases?

Furthermore, there does seem to be some bad faith involved, as a number of people who disagreed with the wordings, placements and structure (but who were basically in agreement about the reliability/notability of the sources) were accused of tendentiousness, and worse. I don't see that as being essentially very different from those crazies who think that everybody who's critical of FLG must be a CCP agent. Real world doesn't operate like that. Reasonable people can have reasonable disagreements. There are legitimate questions to be resolved here, and patience is undoubtedly a virtue when the articles in question have a frustratingly complicated history. ] (]) 21:10, 20 May 2020 (UTC)


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    JungerMan Chips Ahoy!

    JungerMan Chips Ahoy! has been indefinitely blocked as a sockpuppet. Bishonen | tålk 13:25, 14 May 2020 (UTC).
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    Request concerning JungerMan Chips Ahoy!

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    Onceinawhile (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 21:00, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
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    JungerMan Chips Ahoy! (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
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    At First Jordan Hydro-Electric Power House

    1. 22:14, 17 April 2020 Deletes half of a quote from US diplomat Wells Stabler, with editnotice "dubious material from a primary source"
    2. 01:25, 24 April 2020 repeats edit
    3. 02:50, 1 May 2020 repeats
    4. 17:00, 2 May 2020 adds primary-source-inline tag to the same material, this time without deleting it
    5. 23:17, 11 May 2020 Readds tag
    6. 16:17, 13 May 2020 Readds tag

    At Wadi Qana

    1. 14:59, 10 May 2020 tags Geography and population section
    2. 14:37, 11 May 2020 adds FV tag in Geography and population section
    3. 17:58, 11 May 2020 adds same tag
    4. 13:41, 12 May 2020 tags "altered to Nahal Elkana" in lede (immediately undoes it, with edit comment "undo for now, may have inadvertantly violated 1RR")
    5. 16:12, 13 May 2020 re-adds same tag
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    Slow running edit war, against consensus at First Jordan Hydro-Electric Power House. There has been a long discussion on the talk page, with Shrike in support of JungerMan's arguments. Since Zero0000's comment on 11:51, 17 April 2020 and Selfstudier's comment 12:38, 18 April 2020, there was a 3:2 consensus supporting the inclusion of the material. This moved to 4:2 in support of the quote following Nableezy's comment at 21:25, 12 May 2020. Yet JungerMan has now deleted the content or tagged the content 6 times, of which two occasions have been just after the 24 hour 1RR deadline.

    Separately, as has been discussed on the talk page, the nature of the edit appears to be tendentious. This is illustrated by the fact that although JungerMan is arguing that the quote is primary, when he deleted it (first three diffs above) he only removed half of the quote. The rest of the quote is from the same source, and the content is not covered by any other source.

    I have not followed the discussion at Wadi Qana in detail, but per the diffs I have put above there seems to be a similar dynamic.

    Final note, worth reading Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1036#JungerMan_Chips_Ahoy! from 5 days ago in a different subject area, where two administrators predicted that JungerMan will "eventually end up at AE". Here we are. Onceinawhile (talk) 21:36, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

    An RfC has been opened at Misplaced Pages:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Foreign_Relations_of_the_United_States_(book_series)_in_First_Jordan_Hydro-Electric_Power_House, which will hopefully resolve the content question. Onceinawhile (talk) 10:05, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
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    Statement by JungerMan Chips Ahoy!

    We should flip this around and ask for DS sanctions against Onceinawhile, who is repeatedly introducing contested material into the article w/o consensus, violating WP:ONUS.

    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 15:48, 13 April 2020 Introduces a very lengthy quote and an exceptional claim from a primary source, in violation of WP:RSPRIMARY
    2. 22:15, 17 April 2020 one minute after the previous edit was partially reverted and contested by me, reinserts it into the article, in violation of WP:BRD and WP:ONUS, while noting in edit summary there is no consensus for this!
    3. 16:26, 2 May 2020 removes tags next to the primary source despite the discussion still going on, and declares 'a consensus exist" when no such consensus is apparent on the talkpage, nor has he attempted to demonstrate such consensus via WP:DR or RfC
    4. 21:49, 11 May 2020 again removes a tag, this time one validly placed next to a source that failed verification.

    I have repeatedly explained to this editors (as have others - ) that WP:CONSENSUS is not a numerical vote, and that per WP:ONUS, if he wants to introduce material that has been challenged into the article, he must demonstrate consensus for it, but he refuses to do so. Instead, he merely repeats, time and again, that 3 editors (himself included) support the material, while only 2 oppose it, so 60% majority is a consensus. (,). (that ratio is currently 4:3)

    Note also, that for all his protestations, the contested material is still in the article now, despite having no consensus. Apparently he is not even content with the disputed material being tagged as the primary source that it is.

    As far as the Wadi Qana article goes, this article is currently undergoing a major expansion/revision. In the process, many problems are being introduced, such as unbalanced sections (which I tagged - #1), statements that failed verification (which I tagged - #2,3), and dubious statements (which I tagged, #5). How are articles going to get any better if issues are not called out via tagging? (Note also the dishonesty in the filer's list, where #4 an #5 are one edit, made, then immediately reverted by myself, then added, yet he lists them as if they were two edits).

    This is a tendentious request by a tendentious editor, sanctions are to be applied to them. If there is any doubt about this , just check out his final comment, referring to an unrelated AE report involving me - a report which was closed with no sanctions, described as a content dispute that should be resolved on the talkpage, and a call forWP:DR or an RfC (something I've been repeatedly asking the filer to do here, which he refuses). And while one of the admins arguing against me in that AE did write what Onceinawhile chose to quote, he was immediately replied to by another admin who said "at least at the linked article, they're making something resembling a good point.". Somehow that didn't make it into the tendentious filing here.

    Finally, this editor has previously been sanctioned - blocked for edit warring and topic banned from this subject area for 3 months, for this exact type of conduct - it seems tht after cooling his heels for a while, he's right back at it.

    Yes, In actu, I am going to disengage from that page for now.

    Statement by shrike

    There were never any consensus.The WP:ONUS was never satisfied for the inclusion of contested material.Those who restored the material without consensus should be sanctioned as violation of WP:ONUS like the filer --Shrike (talk) 21:06, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

    Statement by Sir Joseph

    I agree with Shrike. In this area, you can't include a Primary Source without satisfying the requirement laid out in policy and that wasn't met. Those editors who included it, violated DS and ONUS by reinserting it. Sir Joseph 21:34, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

    Statement by Nableezy

    There's a pattern of edits with this user, seen here and at, for example, The Federalist (website). Slow-motion edit-warring just outside the bright line rules. I also remain convinced that this is NoCa1l00 and should be blocked on that basis. nableezy - 22:39, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

    Statement by Mr Ernie

    I see a number of users at that page re-inserting material without a clear consensus, violating ONUS. The next proper step should be an RFC, with inserting the material on hold until it concludes. Mr Ernie (talk) 09:28, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

    Result concerning JungerMan Chips Ahoy!

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    ==Eternal Father==

    Final warning issued.Doug Weller talk 10:46, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
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    1. 2020-05-03 Edit to Michael Flynn, clearly in the scope of AP2 and tagged as such with a notice on the Talk page where he left the edit.
    2. , , , 2020-05-08 - edits to Plandemic leading to discussion and a warning that Plandemic is in scope for AP2, article talk page subsequently tagged. These edits are defensible as scope here is a matter of interpretation, but consensus was that the article is in-scope and Eternal Father was then duly warned.
    3. Date See below for the inextricable connection between this and the explicitly in-scope Plandemic.
    4. Date As above, so below...
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. 2020-05-03 Topic ban from AP2
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    Eternal Father was topic-banned from AP2 here Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive265 § Eternal Father Consensus at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1036 § American Politics and COVID-19 is that the COVID-19 conspiracy video Plandemic falls within the AP2 arena, due to the political nature of COVID-19 generally and COVID-19 conspiracy theories in particular.

    Eternal Father was made aware of this on 2020-50-08.

    Judy Mikovits (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is inextricably linked to Plandemic (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Mikovits is the "star" of the video and her conspiracy theories around COVID-19 are its subject. The edits serve to promte the legitimacy of Mikovits against a background of the Plandemic video, e.g. adding {{Infobox scientist}} when the point is very much that she is no longer a scientist, having been dismissed during a course of events that included retraction of her most cited paper. I would say that it is difficult if not impossible to argue in good faith that if Plandemic is in scope, Mikovits is not.

    This is Eternal Father's first mainspace edit since being alerted that Plandemic is in scope. Plandemic (and Mikki Willis (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), the director) were his first mainspace edits since the topic ban.

    I'd like to ask an uninvolved admin to issue a firm and final warning to stick to the spirit of the topic ban and not be tempted to test its limits. Guy (help!) 08:44, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

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    I've given them a final warning making it very clear that this applies to every page on Misplaced Pages. Doug Weller talk 10:45, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

    Saxestrunk

    Saxestrunk was CU Blocked by Ponyo --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 19:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
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    Request concerning Saxestrunk

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    MrX (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 19:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
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    Saxestrunk (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
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    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. May 11, 2020 Saxestrunk placed a POV tag at the top of the article. I reverted it four days later since previous discussion had gone stale and the user account Saxestrunk had not participated in it.
    2. May 18, 2020 Saxestrunk placed a POV tag at the top of the article. They did not discuss on the talk page as required by the conspicuous page editing restrictions.
    3. May 11, 2020 Personal attack in an edit summary. (Unseemly conduct, such as personal attacks, incivility, assumptions of bad faith, harassment, disruptive point-making, and gaming the system, is prohibited.)
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    Statement by Saxestrunk

    Statement by Lurking Shadow

    The mention of Snooganssnoogan`s POV is not really concerning because it is indeed obvious that Snooganssnoogans is guided by their POV if you look at their user page. Something I will take somewhere else. What`s clearly supporting a topic ban is, however, this admission of working towards a POV.Lurking shadow (talk) 11:35, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

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    Result concerning Saxestrunk

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    The technical data supports the likelihood that Saxestrunk is User:Architect 134 doing their best to look like Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Rambo Apocalypse. I've blocked indef.-- Jezebel's Ponyo 19:32, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

    Rk adh

    Now moot as the editor has been blocked indefinitely as a normal administrative sanction by Bishonen. Seraphimblade 04:25, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
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    Request concerning Rk adh

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    Kautilya3 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 01:21, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
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    Rk adh (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    ARBIPA
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 02:46, 18 May 2020 Deletion of sourced content without explanation
    2. 19:23, 18 May 2020: Repeats the same deletion without explanation
    3. 19:50, 18 May 2020: Repeats the third time without explanation
    4. 20:09, 18 May 2020: When asked for explanation on the talk page, he quips " I have accepted most of your work."
    5. 22:05, 18 May 2020: Resorts to personal attacks: "you may be sofisticated paid agent who can work around the clock. But you are displaying a pattern of spreading propaganda" and "I am not a person with a pseudoname."
    6. 23:24, 18 May 2020: "That poor source is not removed". No mention of the source, or what is "poor" about it.
    7. 00:08, 19 May 2020 Gives me an WP:NPA warning, with no mention of where I might have done any personal attacks. Also more aspersions.
    8. 00:16, 19 May 2020 Supposedly I failed to "justify such poorly sourced content", with no explanation of what was "poorly sourced".
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

    None

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    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    This is a newish user, dealing with a page on a Nepali village on the Indian border, which has a certain amount of India-related content. It is close to a disputed territory.

    It seems fairly clear that the user came around to bulldoze his way through the edits, and to make personal attacks against me and my editing, with no effort at good faith engagement of any sort.

    After this spree of edits, a new account called Govinda Paudel (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) got created, which did the same kind of edits the user would have liked to make. Whether it is WP:SOCK or WP:MEAT is hard to say. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 01:29, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

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    Notified

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    Statement by Rk adh

    Please see my 'article talk page' how I responded his/her/it questions for real understanding of context. Please also see my 'user talk page' how many times he/she/it intimidated me. I also wrote on his/her/it 'user talk page' about my reasons why he/she/it was not working in wikipedia with good faith.Ram Adhikari (talk) 02:17, 19 May 2020 (UTC)rk adh

    What about taking action against User: Kautilya3? Do it need another request for it?
    Ram Adhikari (talk) 03:49, 19 May 2020 (UTC)rk adh

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    Result concerning Rk adh

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    cjwilky

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    Request concerning cjwilky

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    JzG (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 17:44, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
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    cjwilky (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Pseudoscience#Discretionary sanctions :
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 2020-05-18 Removes findings of misleading advertising against Vernon Coleman, whose books advocate homeopathy for a variety of diseases.
    2. 2020-04-27 Artemisia annua is a plant used in homeopathy and both pharmacological and homeopathic preparations have been touted as COVID-19 remedies.
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. 2014-04-11 Topic banned from homeopathy broadly construed.


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    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    Cjwilky's edits fall into two classes: Doncaster Rovers, and problematic edits advocating fringe views. Cjwilky has acknowledged on-wiki his work as a homeopath, and his real-world identity is known but not I think linked to Misplaced Pages explicitly, so I won't give his full name. He is a homeopath in the UK. The content removed from Vernon Coleman concerns the UK's Advertising Standards Authority, which is a well known bête noir of UK homeopaths, having found large numbers of them and their own professional society (of which he is or has been a member) to have advertised misleadingly. In his off-wiki life as a homeopath, cjwilky is subject to rules imposed after the ASA rulings and directly relevant to the content he removed from the Coleman article, adding WP:COI tot he WP:FRINGE.

    Coleman is also squarely within the scope of the pseudoscience case.

    I'm not asking for a block, but I would ask for (a) a warning and (b) an explicit extension of the TBAN to cover the entire area of fringe/pseudoscience. Guy (help!) 17:44, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

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    Bloodofox

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    Request concerning Bloodofox

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Cleopatran Apocalypse (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:04, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
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    Bloodofox (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Falun_Gong_2#May_2014 :
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

    Edits/revert warring

    1. May 19 Changes definition of subject in first sentence, adds new second paragraph (with misspelling of subject) drawing attention to media companies associated with subject. At least one of these sentences contained material not in the source (i.e. that FLG's Shen Yun contains "anti-LGBTQ messaging"). These changes are then discussed on talk page.
    2. May 19 Revert of the above (included misstatement of New Yorker source)
    3. May 19 Revert of above.
    4. May 19 Revert again. Note that dispute less about the categorization of subject as a new religious movement, but about whether there's a scholarly consensus on this (apparently not) and whether it should be the single authoritative definition.
    5. May 19 Revert (4th or more now) of the same content.
    6. May 19 Preempts previous careful/nuanced discussion of the different ways FLG has been categorized with "Scholars overwhelmingly describe Falun Gong as a NRM." Whether this is a consensus seems to be a matter of dispute.
    7. May 19 Coatracking? In any case the New Yorker article does not say The Epoch Times promotes conspiracy theories (other RS say so, I believe; but in the Shen Yun page I think the combination would be original research anyway. Point is it misrepresents the cited source again.)

    Aspersions, insults, soapboxing

    1. May 19 Effectively accuses users who disagree of trying to censor wikipedia.
    2. May 19 User who disagrees is "parroting the organization's talking points"
    3. May 19 Implies users who disagree are attempting to promote the subject.
    4. May 19 Accuses users who disagree of attempting to censor wikipedia.
    5. May 19 Again accuses those who disagree with the emphasis that the new religious movement categorization should have in the article of "scrubbing the article to replicate the group's talking points." My read of the discussion on talk page is one of emphasis: some saying NRM is one of the several appellations, Bloodofox saying it is the dominant and should be emphasized above all others, then accusing those who disagree or provide alternate sources of censorship and doing propaganda for the FLG. For instance, another user notes that one of the leading scholars of FLG says it "makes no sense" to call FLG an NRM ; other user also put NRM in the section on categorization . Thus, a question of emphasis, not scrubbing.
    6. May 20 An editor who reverted the disputed changes is described as an adherent. (It does not appear they identify themselves as such.)
    7. May 20 "Adherents crawling out of the woodwork", "another Falun Gong-talking-point-promoting editor". He was called out for this as unfounded and ad hominem.
    8. May 20 Again those who disagree are adherents doing propaganda, not other editors who simply disagree with his personal view of emphasis, weight, etc.
    9. May 20 More.
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    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    User:Bloodofox recently began editing the article Falun Gong, as well as several other related articles that are also subject to discretionary sanctions. This complaint mostly focuses on his edits to Falun Gong, with a few other examples shown to demonstrate the pattern. I watch the page and take some interest in it and related topics.

    The user's edits appear to be tendentious. He has violated the 3RR in an attempt to enforce his revisions to the page, even while a (what I found fruitful and interesting) discussion about the merits of those changes was ongoing. The discussion is a bit lengthy, but I felt he often mischaracterized his interlocutors' positions, and by implication seemed to repeatedly claim they were trying to censor him or the encyclopedia.

    In terms of content, I think the main problem is neutrality and weight. His edits to the lede of the article seem to be a case of a) WP:coatracking; b) not consistent with requirements for neutrality and WP:WEIGHT, and c) not even supported by the sources given (as another user pointed out. Indeed the excursion to the fringe noticeboard could be seen as an attempt at rather targeted forum shopping.

    The user has accused other editors of acting in bad faith, including by interrogating them about their religious beliefs. This is just such an obvious form of ad hominem argument, and it doesn't contribute to a productive editing climate.

    The central point of contention appears to be Bloodofox's attempt to give a master definition of Falun Gong as a New Religious Movement. (The previous version of the page, which seems to have been a stable consensus, called it a religious practice). It appears that other editors do not object to noting it has been categorized as a new religious movement, as one of several contested labels and categories that have been used to describe Falun Gong. They appear to disagree that it should be used as the authoritative, master definition, given the disputes among experts on it.

    This is a controversial and difficult topic area. It doesn't appear that other editors disagree that the Falun Gong page include info on the media properties and performing troupes operated by adherents, or of discussion of how FLG is categorized by scholars. They seem concerned with weight, neutrality, tone. Bloodofox does not seem capable of or willing to contribute productively to these pages via reasonable discussion with other editors. In just one day or so he has adopted an aggressive approach, made accusations against other editors, repeatedly misrepresented sources, engaged in forum shopping, and edit warred. And anyone who disagrees with him is doing propaganda for the Falun Gong.

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    [https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Bloodofox&diff=957815891&oldid=957610127

    Discussion concerning Bloodofox

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    Statement by Bloodofox

    This is such a gross misepresentation of the situation and specific targeting of yours truly that it's hard to know where to begin.

    But let's start here: First and foremost, @Cleopatran Apocalypse:, the user who has brought this complaint neglects to mention that she is by no means a neutral party on this subject: She has herself engaging in edit-warring to scrub the article of mention of the phrase new religous movement. For example, before bringing this complaint, she performed this edit, reverting @Helloimahumanbeing: and therefore removing a dozen of the highest possible quality academic sources available on this topic spanning over a decade, all flatly referring to Falung Gong as a new religious movement.

    And that is really what this is about. Like most religious movements, Falun Gong doesn't like to be referred to as a new religious movement, instead preferring to be thought of as an 'ancient spiritual practice', academics be damned.

    This complaint is a waste of time. What we really need is more eyes on the Falun Gong article so that it doesn't simply read as a propaganda piece, as it currently does, alongside our The Epoch Times and Shen Yun articles (both extensions of the new religious group). For readers unfamiliar with these propaganda extensions of the Falun Gong, read this, this, or this.

    Finally, while this really goes without saying, at the fringe theories noticeboard, we talk about fringe theories. I'm a regular. The editor who has brought this complaint has attempted to frame this as lobbying while, I remind you, attempting to scrub the article. She neglects to mention that the Falun Gong extensions consistently and aggressively push fringe theories, such as anti-vaccination propaganda, anti-evolution propaganda anti-LGBTQ propaganda—you name it—all the while spending over a million dollars in promoting the Donald Trump campaign and promoting, for example, extreme right wing groups in Germany.

    It ain't a pretty situation, and the aggressive pushback myself and other editors is undoubtedly in so small part due to the presence of adherents revert-warring to make sure that English Wikiepdia's Falun Gong article parrots the new religious movement's talking points, while hiding what its media extensions are up to and scrubbing anything 'controversial' about the group. :bloodofox: (talk) 19:21, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

    Statement by PackMecEng

    It does not appear they violated 3RR on Falun Gong, but they did go right up against it.

    1 - (Undid revision 957628151 by TheBlueCanoe (talk) This is fully reference to reliable sources, neutral, and indisputable. Misplaced Pages isn't censored.)
    2 - (- Revert: These are all exceptionally high quality sources, Misplaced Pages isn't censored)
    3 - (Undid revision 957662712 by TheBlueCanoe (talk) Take it to talk. We need discussion of these topics in the article, if not here. Misplaced Pages isn't censored. Finally, that was your third revert in the past 24 hours: Discuss more, add more quality sources, revert less.)

    Just for what it's worth. The forum shopping seems to come from posting it at RSN and FTN. If that qualifies as forum shopping? Eh I dunno. I have not looked into the misrepresenting sources comment yet. PackMecEng (talk) 20:20, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

    Statement by Bstephens393

    Oh boy, I had no idea that it would get to this point once again. I recently came back from a long PhD hiatus, but after going through the article's talk page I should probably make a few comments here. I've don't wanted to get involved with any mudslinging.

    First, I think Bloodofox is right in the sense that the New Religious Movement label is backed up by several reliable sources, and it absolutely needs to be mentioned in the article and given due weight. I have little tolerance for those who're trying to scrub it. The core of the debate is whether the different characterizations and definitions found in the mainstream academic sources ought to be described per WP:NPOV and WP:V, or if we should stick to one "master definition" (whether it's NRM, spiritual practice, or whatever suits your fancy.) Personally I think the former approach is better. Why would it be a bad thing to explain that there are various characterizations in reputable third-party sources? I really haven't seen a lot of opposition to that, with the exception of some random editors who just don't seem to understand how Misplaced Pages works, or who simply don't care.

    One thing to keep in mind is that the FLG articles are under discretionary sanctions because there have been several attempts by both sides of this discursive struggle to take control. Several editors were dragged to arbitration and banned over the years for propagandizing either with a pro-FLG/anti-CCP or an anti-FLG/pro-CCP agenda. The status quo of the articles was extensively scrutinized in previous arbitration and mediation cases, and there must be a few books worth of back-and-forth discussions about the complexities involved. From what I was able to tell, everyone (including admins) decided a few years ago that major edits to these articles should be done by obtaining support and having good faith discussions on the talk page, as well as avoiding all ad hominem attacks. The discretionary sanctions were put in place to enforce that. To me it seems that Bloodofox has been quite eager to make a large number of significant changes in a short period of time and wield major definitional power without addressing the substance of some eminent concerns. It is unfortunate that this should escalate into edit warring and such; is it because of impatience or frustration with the discussion process that's inherently involved in these kinds of cases?

    Furthermore, there does seem to be some bad faith involved, as a number of people who disagreed with the wordings, placements and structure (but who were basically in agreement about the reliability/notability of the sources) were accused of tendentiousness, and worse. I don't see that as being essentially very different from those crazies who think that everybody who's critical of FLG must be a CCP agent. Real world doesn't operate like that. Reasonable people can have reasonable disagreements. There are legitimate questions to be resolved here, and patience is undoubtedly a virtue when the articles in question have a frustratingly complicated history. Bstephens393 (talk) 21:10, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

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    Result concerning Bloodofox

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    • The OP doesn't understand 3RR (admittedly that's not surprising for a user with 337 edits) — consecutive edits count as one edit, so Bloodofox has not violated 3RR that I can see, or even come close. Altogether the OP's diffs (which look pretty harmless) and the accusations they level are curiously separate — for instance, the very serious accusations that Bloodofox has "repeatedly misrepresented sources engaged in forum shopping" don't come with any evidence. Please give diffs for those statements, @Cleopatran Apocalypse: or I'm very inclined towards a boomerang here. The report looks like an attempt to weaponize AE against an opponent. Bishonen | tålk 20:05, 20 May 2020 (UTC).
    • (edit conflict) On the subject of edit warring, the filer has actually continued doing so even after filing this request () I'm also seeing some substantial problems with the filer's editing, including with what's presented here. Cleopatran Apocalypse states that Bloodofox misrepresented a reference by stating Shen Yun put forth anti-LGBTQ material, yet the cited source () clearly states that Shen Yun's performances contain "homophobia", so that particular accusation is flatly false and an aspersion. On the part of Bloodofox, referring to others who disagree with the edits as "adherents" and accusing them of involvement in a conspiracy is also casting aspersions, and that better stop too. Like Bishonen, I'm disposed, in terms of this particular request, to seeing a boomerang in the air here. However, given what I'm seeing on the article itself, there does indeed seem to be a substantial amount of ownership behavior by some editors, and some editors who edit very infrequently seem to pop up awfully conveniently when there's a dispute. I'm inclined to put the article (talk included) under both 30/500 and 1RR, and if that can't resolve those issues, maybe it would then be time for ArbCom to take a fresh look at this. Seraphimblade 20:30, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
    • Agree with Bishonen and Seraphimblade. Also I note that when User:TheBlueCanoe reached 3RR, another editor User:Clara Branch (24 edits) popped up to remove all the materal again, and then when it was restored (not by Bloodofox), there was the OP (337 edits) with their first edit on the article since 2017 to wipe it all out again. ECP might be useful here. Black Kite (talk) 20:34, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
    • I agree with Seraphimblade and Bishonen. 1RR and ECP are good options --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 20:52, 20 May 2020 (UTC)