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	There's sections to early Christian and Jewish communities in the Levant and Hindu communities in India (Buddhists aren't really covered), but where's the data on Christians in North Africa and Spain, Zoroastrians which were a major religious group in the early caliphates, Jains, African polytheistic religions and the old Arab polytheist religion? ] (]) 01:06, 19 December 2019 (UTC)		There's sections to early Christian and Jewish communities in the Levant and Hindu communities in India (Buddhists aren't really covered), but where's the data on Christians in North Africa and Spain, Zoroastrians which were a major religious group in the early caliphates, Jains, African polytheistic religions and the old Arab polytheist religion? ] (]) 01:06, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

			== Hindus and Buddhists section ==
			This section doesn't seem to be directly connected to the topic. There does not seem to be any discussion of Hindu or Buddhist Dhimmi communities (though there are references to them elsewhere in the article) and infact the term is not even used once.] (]) 02:56, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

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Dhimmi: Jews

In this section I have noticed a number of mistakes such as lack of citations and a lack of a complete picture. For example, one sentence states, "Accustomed to survival in adverse circumstances after many centuries of discrimination and persecution within the Roman Empire, both pre-Christian and Christian, Jews saw the Islamic conquests as just another change of rulers". The idea that Jews were "accustomed to survival" is very biased and does not take in the individual experience. In addition, I plan to add information from Norman Stillman's article "Myth, Countermyth, and Distortion" that presents information of Jewish status of dhimmi's being a bad aspect of living under Arab rule. This information will help develop the debate between Stillman and Cohen (who is already presented in this subsection) of the conditions of Jewish status dhimmi's living under Arab control. Specifically, I would like to present how they disagree and why these debates are significant in understanding Jewish dhimmi status. I believe that so far this subsection only presents Cohen's argument that live as a dhimmi was not so bad, not Stillman's view that Jews still faced a life of strict law and a fear of oppression. If anyone has any comments about these changes, feel free to let me know.

Stillman, Norman. "Myth, Countermyth, and Distortion." Tikkun (May, 1991). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lwalker3 (talk • contribs) 07:17, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

@Lwalker3: I don't see how you see that section as lacking citations, furthermore, I don't see why you frame this as a "debate between Stillman and Cohen" when the section cites María Rosa Menocal, Bernard Lewis, Hayim Hillel Ben-Sasson, Claude Cahen and Mark R. Cohen. 11:12, 5 May 2016 (UTC)CounterTime (talk)

@Lwalker3: I have no objection to adding Stillman's view, but the added paragraph has many problems, both linguistic and logical. I'm familiar with other writings by Stillman, and I'm pretty sure those problems weren't in the original. Since this article isn't readily available online, please quote the relevant passages so we can help to paraphrase them correctly. You've also deleted sourced content. The tagged unsouced portion is fair game to be challenged and removed, but you should either paraphrase the rest to preserve the sourced content or justify its removal. Eperoton (talk) 04:37, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Ok Arifkazi (talk) 00:39, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

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Reversion

Chris, please explain the reason for this reversion — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.51.26.18 (talk) 17:49, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Regardless of what you claim BBC says, Misplaced Pages is not going to say what militant Muslims are trying to do. I didn't look at your source but we need to have solid sourcing for making a claim like that. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:52, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

that "source" was already in the article (the last citation in the section titled, "In modern times"), so can you restore that sentence? I don't want any edit war here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.51.26.18 (talk) 18:02, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

As the material is already in the article, it doesn't need to be added. Although it is in the article, it's doesn't need to be in the lede per WP:UNDUE. Jizya has existed for millennia and one BBC report saying Daesh is imposing it doesn't require a mention in the lede. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:33, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Nope

To editor Arsi786: I reverted you. Please discuss before attempting to do again. Chris Troutman (talk) 23:50, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

To editor Chris troutman:The reference given lead's you no where and you cannot know if that part of the text was actually in that reference given also if you read above and read the consituotion of medina how can you class them as second class citiens if they had the same rights as muslims?~Arsi786 (talk)

@Arsi786: First, the Constitution of Medina only applied to that particular time. Clearly, dhimmitude was discriminatory. Second, the source cited is a book by Majid Khadduri and you can find it in a library and check pages 196-198. That's what we mean by verifiability. I can only wonder why you think it appropriate to removed cited material with such a flimsy excuse. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:00, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Dhimmi communities incomplete

There's sections to early Christian and Jewish communities in the Levant and Hindu communities in India (Buddhists aren't really covered), but where's the data on Christians in North Africa and Spain, Zoroastrians which were a major religious group in the early caliphates, Jains, African polytheistic religions and the old Arab polytheist religion? J390 (talk) 01:06, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Hindus and Buddhists section

This section doesn't seem to be directly connected to the topic. There does not seem to be any discussion of Hindu or Buddhist Dhimmi communities (though there are references to them elsewhere in the article) and infact the term is not even used once.39.37.185.43 (talk) 02:56, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

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