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Constituent countries

Hi there, I remembered that you had commented on the issue fairly recently, and I see that the last post above is on related matters. Do you have a view on this? Mutt Lunker (talk) 13:20, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

I reversed the lot I think and put a note on the editors page -----Snowded 17:41, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for that. For reference, do you know where the material about the agreed position is located?

I notice a certain user has come in for further visits to their old haunts, trying to repurpose another discussion. Mutt Lunker (talk) 18:50, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

It is linked on each Countries talk page. If you mean GoodDay then this edit illustrates the problem. His current interventions on all UK articles are displaying the same behaviours which resulted first in a topic ban and then a wikipedia ban. No one holds an old crime against someone, unless they start to repeat the same crime in which case the same punishment may be appropriate. I think I am going to start assembling examples as a reimposition of the topic ban and also one on commenting without dealing directly with content may be necessary. -----Snowded 07:00, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, it's fairly evident at the England and the Wales talk pages but I think I may have initially just checked the Scotland talk page, where it is much less evident, listed among the FAQs, the content hidden.

I had been aware of GoodDay's widespread fly-in-the-ointment talk page presence in the past and had clocked their subsequent indef. As far as I remember, this was only ever as an observer and I don't think I was ever involved in any direct discussions.

You may have seen that I linked their dubious approach to me in November to promote the term on their behalf, in order to evade scrutiny. They tried to back out sharpish on realising I knew they were returning to the scene of past misdemeanours. When they touted it again here, in response to your comment on their return to old ways, I noted that earlier approach to me. In light of that, I'm not sure whether their responses to me at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_United_Kingdom#Constituent_country and Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Scotland#Constituent_country indicate they'd forgotten they'd already tried that one on me, or that they had remebered and it was a deliberate dig. Mutt Lunker (talk) 10:30, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks - I've given him fair warning -----Snowded 10:47, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you for your support on my user talk page. For the future, I think it is preferable to put warnings to other users their user talk page (with an edit summary in case the the warning is deleted), so that if an administrator later reviews the editor's actions the warning is explicit. When appropriate, it also helps to use one of the user talk namespace templates (see WikiProject User warnings). We should assume that an admin will not simply count the warnings, but will use them to help review a the issues. Verbcatcher (talk) 13:38, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I've been trying to avoid making it formal. but the time may now be there -----Snowded 14:32, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Verbcatcher: I think it is becoming a clear case of multiple levels of disruption and an unwillingess to reform or listen so the next stage is probably a case to ANI for a topic pan on anything to do with Perrots, or an 'only proposals on the tale page'. It would be best if s/he learnt how to edit on articles around which there is less personal commiuttment. One of the behaviours is altering source material. I saw you spotted one example of that. If you would let me have the link I can add it into the draft ANI case. I hope that won't be necessary however.-----Snowded 06:55, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Despite Sirjohnperrot's comments, I have never alleged or implied that he or she has altered source material; I think this is unlikely and I have no reason to suspect it.

The external link I challenged was introduced in these edits, and my comments on it are in here. Sirjohnperrot acknowledged that he or she uploaded this page to archive.org here. Verbcatcher (talk) 13:21, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification will check that out if it becomes necessary -----Snowded 13:23, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your offer Dave (if I may) I'm Phil btw. You already know you're my all-time favourite editor and that I'm grateful for the valuable guidance received from you, Verbcatcher and everyone else - it is much needed and appreciated. Very happy for you to resume your mentoring if the community approves but it's either a block or a mentor for me, not both. Sirjohnperrot (talk) 10:44, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Silktort is one of the most experienced and respected Misplaced Pages editors. If that proposal is accepted you will be blocked and will have a right to appeal that block in a week's time (if it was a community bock it would be six months). The reason for that is for you to provide some evidence to the community that you have understood what went wrong this time and that you don't plan to repeat the behaviour. I'll happily help you work through that. You might get agreeement to no block if (and so far you haven't) you show that evidence now. My earlier suggestion was that you offer to accept a 1RR restriction and to make zero commentary on other editors. That might help, while this "Irony doesn't appear to be your strong suit friend." won't -----Snowded 11:38, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

"You already know you are my all-time favourite editor..." ? Oh jeez ;) GoodDay (talk) 14:45, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

It's a month to the day since I was moved to say that Sirjohnperrot (talk) 21:04, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Dave that's very kind, I was a bit stunned to read his verdict tbh - "“O wad some Power the giftie gie us, to see oursels as ithers see us!" Anyway after that I had to give him the chance to put me straight but I suspect he'll pass and it'll be me and you again if you are still up for it. Do you know Elen Wyn Simpson at all? She was very helpful to my wife when researching the Bangor archives - please pass on the good wishes of Anne Rees if you do. Sirjohnperrot (talk) 22:12, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

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political interference

Snowed you have a long and acclaimed history here, no doubt. This is even more reason why you should know full well not to pushed poorly sourced POV, especially when there is a huge personal bias involved in the article. You are notoriously exceptional at patrolling political articles and if you get a kick out of it, fine I won't stop you, but please reconsider the motives behind your adding of new material. Many thanks. Alexandre8 (talk) 10:31, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

What on earth are you talking about? You might want to read some core policy but I'll leave that to you to think about. Otherwise you have provided no diffs or other information relating to these accusations so forgive me if I ignore you until you do -----Snowded 10:37, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Protegé

How are things settling in? --Deepfriedokra (talk) 21:56, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

So far all good and there have been a few emails as well - so I have hope that this will all turn out for the best -----Snowded 22:02, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello

Please stop editing where valid edits have been made such as grammar mistakes or basic information correcting.

Many thanks. - Tiger — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigerbws (talk • contribs) 07:07, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

You need to stop creating sock puppets in an attempt to avoid a block. If you engage on the talk page and make your case and come clean on your original ID you might (just might) escape a permanent ban from editing on wikipedia -----Snowded 07:10, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm not a sock puppet account. Many thanks.