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Hello Raspor! Welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! dave souza, talk 19:21, 29 December 2006 (UTC) Getting Started Misplaced Pages Tutorial • The five pillars of Misplaced Pages How to: edit a page • upload an image Getting Help Frequently Asked Questions Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and Guidelines Neutral point of view • Reliable sources Verifiability • Citing sources • No original research What Misplaced Pages is not • Biographies of living persons Manual of Style • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Fair use • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The Community Build consensus • Resolving disputes Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • No legal threats Community Portal • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Things to do Be bold in editing • Help develop an article Pages needing attention • Peer review Join a WikiProject • Translating articles Cleaning up: General • Spam • Vandalism Miscellaneous Categories • Disambiguity • Stubs User pages • Talk pages Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

Deleted page "Gravelles"

Hi. A page you created, Gravelles, has been deleted in accordance with our deletion policy.

Misplaced Pages has certain standards for inclusion that all articles must meet. Certain types of article must establish the notability of their subject by asserting its importance or significance. Additionally, since Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, content inappropriate for an encyclopedia, or content that would be more suited to somewhere else (such as a directory or social networking website) is not acceptable. See Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not for the relevant policy.

You are welcome to contribute content which complies with our content policies and any applicable notability guidelines. However, please do not simply re-create the page with the same content; it will be deleted again and may be protected from re-creation. You may also wish to read our introduction to editing and guide to writing your first article. If you have any questions, please contact an administrator for assistance. Thank you – Gurch 18:22, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

WP: NEO

I would invite you to read WP:NEO in regards to your creation of the Caged Kids article. Thanks RichMac (Talk) 13:03, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

from user raspor to a WP admin (User:Vaoverland)

I am just starting on this. I am trying to get the jist of how it all works. I did a short article called 'Gravelles' and it was immediately deleted. Well everything I have done so far has been deleted without any explanation. I chose your name at random just to get started somewhere. thanks

• • Did you read the message on this page? User talk:Raspor. Apparently, the Gravelles article you wrote was thought not to meet WP criteria. I would suggest working on the editing of existing articles first before creating new ones, and see how your work survives (or doesn't). You should also consider contacting the Wikipedian who deleted your Gravelles article at this link User talk:Gurch and ask for details about why and request guidance. Despite your frustration, I hope you will do that respectfully and thereby get some non-emotional specific answers I cannot provide. I can see that your Caged Kids article was deleted by yet another Wikipedian, and since that action by more than 1 of us rarely happens to good articles, it is likely that you do need some advice to succeed. Good luck. It is always OK to contact me. Vaoverland 13:09, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry for the delay. As I said in my original message, Misplaced Pages has certain standards for inclusion that all articles must meet, and we can't accept articles about just anyone. You claim your article was deleted "without any explanation"... this isn't really true, if you read my message again you will find links to several guideline and policy pages that give you an idea of what you should be aiming for. The most relevant page in this case is the page about notability for biographical articles. If your article is about a person or group of people it needs to say clearly why they are important or significant. This is done mainly to stop people writing articles about themselves or their family. If the person or people in question are living, then additional guidelines apply, mainly for legal reasons. Essentially, your article failed to meet these standards. You are of course welcome to create a more extensive article that provides an assertion of notability and otherwise meets the guidelines. Thanks – Gurch 00:27, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Not Accurate

Raspor wrote:

"Given that psychotherapy is restricted to conversations, practitioners do not have to be medically qualified,"

I am new here and told to be 'bold' but I am afraid to change this even tho i am positive it is not accurate. there are many types of 'psychotherapy' that go beyond conversation: attachment therapy, biofeedback, and the eye movement therapy. should I be 'bold'and change this or will that be considered vandalism.

gurch

i put this under the psychotherapy discussion. i want to change it but i dont want to be accused of vandalism. what should i do?

Hi, the best thing to do is add a comment to the discussion page of the appropriate article and after a while, if nobody objects, change the article (remembering to leave an informative edit summary). If anyone objects at that stage, suggest that they also explain their opinion on the discussion page. Hope this helps – Gurch 01:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

By the way, assuming you are referring to this edit, it was not me that removed your edit but JoeSmack; you may wish to bring the matter up with him. The only edit I made was this one, after an anonymous user removed the entire references section and the list of related topics without explanation – Gurch 01:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Also in 1996 Dr. Tana Dineen published "Manufacturing Victims" in which she suggests that much of the 'psychotherapy industry' is more interested in financial gain than helping clients. She demonstrates that psychotherapy rarely does more than what the placebo effect, passage of time, and working things out on your own accomplishes.

Considering the very high cost of psychotherapy and the fact that most heath insurances are required by law to provide it seems to indicate that the economic value of psychotherapy is in question. Since health insurance costs are forcing many to be unable to afford it, indicates it might be time to review the lucrative incomes of some psychotherapists who have such insurance funds easily available. At least allowing people to opt out of the mandatory psychotherapy insurance requirements might help to lower health insurance costs without major harm to the mental health of most.

I reverted your changes not because I considered them vandalism, there should be no concern about that. However, your added content (shown above) raised my eyebrows enough to revert it for a couple of reasons. Firstly, it does not properly source its statements. Saying 'demonstrates that psychotherapy rarely does more than what the placebo effect, passage of time, and working things out on your own accomplishes' you really do need some reliable source information; more than just a phd 1996 book. I mean, she could be a crank too so multiple sources would be best. See WP:CITE and Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources for getting this done, it'll help a lot in clearing that up. Secondly, especially the second paragraph, sounds very point-of-view (as opposed to NPOV). This means it isn't neutral: I'd imagine psychotherapy isn't expensive in countries where they have universal health care. Claiming that 'health care companies are forcing many who are unable to afford it' isn't verifiable, as well as being POV. See WP:NPOV for more info on this; it is a pillar that Misplaced Pages was founded on (See Misplaced Pages:Five pillars for others) and is important for a non-biased encyclopedia.

I hope I have helped clear things up, and I don't mean to just throw policies at you: I just want you to know why I reverted your edits. If you have any questions at all, pertaining to this issue or any other, please, feel free to drop me a line on my talk page. Cheers. JoeSmack 16:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Your credibility as a wiki editor

You said (in very strong terms) "Harun Yahya is a forceful, popular proponent of ID"

Yahya himself wrote "Intelligent Design Accounts Could Harm Individuals Sincerely Inclined toward Religion...Intelligent Design Is Another of Satan's Distractions"

This is yet another reason why you have no credibility as an editor of the intelligent design article. Mr Christopher 19:17, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi!

Hello, I've added a welcome to the top of your page. There's a lot of information there about how to get results in contributing to Misplaced Pages, and I'd particularly recommend reading Misplaced Pages:Verifiability and Misplaced Pages:No original research as soon as you can: you may feel you know something, but all facts and opinions here have to be properly attributed to a reliable source, as well as being properly balanced in terms of WP:NPOV. We're all learning here, and I'll be glad to help with any questions you have. Look forward to your future contributions, .. dave souza, talk 19:21, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal

Raspor, I've tried my best to stay neutral on this dispute and to be helpful to the newbies. The fact is, I don't see you as "an innocent victim", but I also disagree with some of the actions on "the other side" as well. Anyway, I think the best option for you right now is to look into the Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal. These guys are experienced in helping editors work together and helping newbies learn the ropes.-Psychohistorian 17:11, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

capitalization suggestion from humps

Are you aware that sentences traditionally begin with a capital letter? Humps 20:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

3revert rule

Please read three revert rule before you get yourself banned from the article. Mr Christopher 21:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)