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| I've got a concern about a case concerning me. Could you take a look at it ? Administrator GiantSnowman had asked an user to (re)post their case about my edits {{xt|on ANI main page}} but I have just realized today that the user went against GiantSnowman's recommendation, and |
I've got a concern about a case concerning me. Could you take a look at it ? Administrator GiantSnowman had asked an user to (re)post their case about my edits {{xt|on ANI main page}} but I have just realized today that the user went against GiantSnowman's recommendation, and reposted their case at another board, which is called AN. It appears that AN is a far more confidential noticeboard than ANI; and so it it is less visited by the community, how convenient. Meanwhile, two users already said that this case should have been registred at ]. This worries me because AN is far away from most of the users who actually take time to read all the replies in full, especially the defenser's, contrary to administrator GiantSnowman who was caught asking a ban without waiting for my defense, and then when I posted it, told me (in what I consider a haughty and uncivil way), "Too long I didn't read" about my reply. This worries me because I read user Dimadick saying in their first sentence, I am not an administrator before giving their opinion about my edits. ] (]) 15:37, 13 September 2020 (UTC) | ||
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What's broken?Hi SilkTork, noticed you had to do this - can you elaborate on what is broken, as it must be broken for everyone else then? — xaosflux 16:03, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
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Comma-separated vs. parenthetical disambiguation of article titles
Hello – per WP:COMMADIS and WP:NCDAB, the comma-separated style is generally used for geographic place names, not buildings and other features. Hence I have moved articles such as Central Police Station (Hong Kong) back to their original titles, as this is in line with the style used for other WPHK articles. Kind regards, Citobun (talk) 00:31, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Citobun, thanks for letting me know what you have done. I am aware that there is variation across countries on implementation of WP:COMMADIS, so to avoid unnecessary dispute, I generally avoid moving non-UK article to comply with WP:COMMADIS; however, I thought Hong Kong editors would follow the UK consensus rather than US. Sorry for making that assumption. SilkTork (talk) 10:54, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Island House, Laugharne - seeking advice on UK census citations and infobox options
Thank you for your recent edits and continuing interest in my contributions. I'm uneasy about my current reference in the article to UK census returns via a self-created composite image on my archive.org page and obviously don't want to violate any copyrights. The only census template I can find on Wiki seems to be for the US variety which seems ill-suited for our records - can you offer any advice?
Another problem I have with this entry, although a very minor one, has proved intractable in a useful recent discussion with @Dhpage:. I hoped the set of the coordinates at the top right of the page would suffice and their duplicates in the infobox below the map could be removed and thus the infobox be reduced in size (and consequently be less intrusive on the text below) but it looks as though if you have that map version you get the general info line and the cordinates below it by default. Do you perhaps know of a map option that doesn't automatically insert a coordinates line? (I have searched but so far in vain) Horatius At The Bridge (talk) 09:18, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- Looking at the situation regarding use of the census returns this comes under use (or misuse) of primary sources. See WP:PRIMARY for the details. I think you are better placed to decide if what you have done is compliant with WP:PRIMARY or not, but if you are unable to make a final decision, ask me again and I'll take a closer look. Was the census information published somewhere? Has an author commented on the census information in a history or guide book?
- I am not familiar with map coordinates in articles. You could try asking at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates or directly to one of the participants: Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Geographical coordinates/Participants. SilkTork (talk) 11:23, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- I'm confident that census returns can be cited within the WP:PRIMARY constraints. They do say "all sources are primary sources for something" after all. My concern was over the linkage to a self-published source and whether there was a better and more direct way of referencing the specific UK public domain datasets following Misplaced Pages's existing template for the US census records.
- I'll follow your suggestions re co-ordinates, thank you for the links.Horatius At The Bridge (talk) 13:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- If you're confident Horatius, then you can simply reference the published data with date and publisher. You don't have to link to your self-published source, but if you are able to cite the original source then you can certainly support that with a link to photos of the source - we do that with texts on GoogleBooks (GoogleBooks are not the publisher, they merely provide photographs of the source). But, also make sure you are not making any interpretations. I haven't looked closely, but what I saw in your link was some data figures, and what I see in the article is a sophisticated interpretation of the data: " the property continued to provide a prestigious, 20-room home for well-to-do families". Is that information clearly in the census data, particularly the "prestigious" and "well-to-do"? SilkTork (talk) 13:16, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- I'm curious - where does "all sources are primary sources for something" come from? I don't see that as part of the wording on our policy page. SilkTork (talk) 13:27, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- My characterization of the Island House occupants as 'prestigious/well-to-do' from the data in the 1881-1911 returns followed on from the 1871 census reference in the Stopp article which I quoted and cited. His analysis there was confirmed by the later entries. WP:ALLPRIMARY is my source for the source observation
- I am now less sanguine about linking actual census page images as opposed to transcriptions and have removed the link.
Horatius At The Bridge Horatius At The Bridge (talk) 14:12, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- I've just looked at WP:ALLPRIMARY. What do you think WP:ALLPRIMARY is actually saying? Is it saying A) that you can use primary sources in the same way as other sources; or B) That all sources can be primary sources, so be careful how you use a source so you are not using it as a primary source? SilkTork (talk) 14:48, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- I don't think the answer to either of your last two questions really helps to address the first. The answer to that is set out in the various sections that follow and WP:PRIMARYNOTBAD is the lodestar for me. It would be presumptuous to try to further paraphrase their contents given the care that has clearly been taken to guide users in this difficult area. Horatius At The Bridge (talk) 17:36, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- I've just looked at WP:ALLPRIMARY. What do you think WP:ALLPRIMARY is actually saying? Is it saying A) that you can use primary sources in the same way as other sources; or B) That all sources can be primary sources, so be careful how you use a source so you are not using it as a primary source? SilkTork (talk) 14:48, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
MfD nomination of Talk:Pearl Brewing Company/Images
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You appear to be someone who may be interested in joining WikiProject Phoenicia. Please accept this friendly invitation from a member of the project. I can't wait for us to work together! ~ Elias Z. (talkallam) |
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Sorry for the messy template still haven't had the time to clean everything up. ~ Elias Z. (talkallam) 10:07, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
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A first for me today: a featured list (= a featured topic in this case) on the Main page, see Misplaced Pages:Main Page history/2020 August 21, an initiative by Aza24 in memory of Brian. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:55, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- Well done Gerda. Your constant enthusiasm and energy really amazes and impresses me. SilkTork (talk) 01:56, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you! - It's easy with fascinating topics, such as Rhythm Is It! - I expanded that stub on my dad's birthday because we saw the film together back then, and were impressed. As a ref said: every educator should see it. Don't miss the trailer, for a starter. - A welcome chance to present yet another article by Brian on the Main page, Le Sacre du printemps. - Next topic that I explored: Franz Leuninger, couldn't believe he had no article in English. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:01, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Sir I want to create a wikipedia page of Sandeep Maheshwari, Please remove protection from it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Sandeep_Maheshwari
This page is protected from creation, so only administrators can create it.
Sir, I want to create a Misplaced Pages page of Sandeep Maheshwari, Please remove protection from it so that I can create it.
Sandeep Maheshwari is a very popular businessman, motivational speaker & YouTuber.
Sahiljangid227 (talk) 08:23, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- The consensus on the English Misplaced Pages is that, despite some popularity amongst youngsters in India, Sandeep Maheshwari does not meet the English Misplaced Pages guidelines for having an article. Essentially, while he is popular, he is not notable. Nobody significant has written about him. Almost everything we can find written about him has been written by Sandeep Maheshwari himself with the intention of promoting himself. As far as I am aware, he does not have an article on any other Misplaced Pages, including the Indian Misplaced Pages. And there are no articles on him in Western sources. SilkTork (talk) 17:12, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
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I like today's Main page, with the TFA on the anniversary day (of both dedication and our concert), a DYK, and a great photographer who didn't make it soon enough, Jürgen Schadeberg, - more on my talk, mostly about the tribute to Brian who shared his sources. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
Category:WikiProject Essays articles has been nominated for renaming
Category:WikiProject Essays articles has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Adam9007 (talk) 03:09, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
AN or ANI
Hello Silk Tork,
I've got a concern about a case concerning me. Could you take a look at it ? Administrator GiantSnowman had asked an user to (re)post their case about my edits on ANI main page here but I have just realized today that the user went against GiantSnowman's recommendation, and reposted their case at another board, which is called AN. It appears that AN is a far more confidential noticeboard than ANI; and so it it is less visited by the community, how convenient. Meanwhile, two users already said that this case should have been registred at WP:DRN. This worries me because AN is far away from most of the users who actually take time to read all the replies in full, especially the defenser's, contrary to administrator GiantSnowman who was caught asking a ban without waiting for my defense, and then when I posted it, told me (in what I consider a haughty and uncivil way), "Too long I didn't read" about my reply. This worries me because I read user Dimadick saying in their first sentence, I am not an administrator before giving their opinion about my edits. Carliertwo (talk) 15:37, 13 September 2020 (UTC)