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Revision as of 12:34, 2 January 2007

I have left Misplaced Pages because intentionally or unintentionally many junior admins have been part of a plot against me orchestrated by Kelly Martin and James Forrester, and one or two of their admirers. This arose initially when I started to complain that too many admins wrote too little content. Basically it hit a raw nerve, and a campaign to rid Misplaced Pages of me has grown as a result as I have attempted to expose what has been going on behind the scenes.

The prolonged and consistent baiting followed by blocking (often openly arranged on the IRC admin channel) and now the pre-judged and instant arbcom case - (just look at the names - not only is it probably against wiki-laws, as an involved party Forrester should be recused). Bauder on this very page states Martin is gone off IRC - a blatent lie. She has even contradicted him on his own page in the last few hours. These factors of the last few days have been the final straw which has led me to believe that not only do I not have a future at Misplaced Pages, but that Misplaced Pages cannot truly be a standard of excellence while it is ruled by a clique in secret, ultimately the blame must fall on Jimbo who allows these things to happen. If he is not aware what is going on, then he is failing in his job too. Perhaps too many have lost sight of what should be the project's ultimate goals. If Jimbo is now finally aware, perhaps he will be minded to see these events as a wake-up call.

If one works for a company where moral is low, the management bullying and corrupt - one leaves, so that is exactly what I have done. I would like to wish the project luck, but that luck largely depends on the ordinary editors, and they can only flourish in the right environment, where they are encouraged and above all valued. So I wish them luck - those that write the encyclopedia. May things change for them. Giano 11:05, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Too late

Sorry I couldn't do more to settle things down. For what it's worth, you will be missed, and thank you for your great many helpful contributions to the project. I won't ask you to stay, as that seems to be your decision to make, but I would like to say that I consider the door open; I would welcome you back. (If you'd rather keep your talk blank, no problem, just wanted to get this out to you.) Regretfully, but wishing you the best, Luna Santin 01:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Even if I am someone that has not crossed paths with you, I still want to repeat what Luna has already said. You will be missed. Take good care. Hope to see you return some day. – Elisson • T • C • 01:48, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, same here. The project has, of course, benefited from your work, and many will be sorry to see you go. Goodbye, and enjoy yourself – Gurch 12:54, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Kelly

Kelly is gone, and utterly without influence with the Arbitration Committee. Fred Bauder 01:35, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Liar! Giano

I'm not a liar. She's off the committee, off the mailing list, and off the IRC channel. In case you never noticed, she doesn't like me much either. Fred Bauder 01:50, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

She sure does the rest, perhaps I may post the famous logs before I go. Now I'm out of here in a moment, and I'd really like you and your fantasies off my page.Giano 01:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

It has been pointed out to me that my statement above about the IRC channel is ambiguous. She is off the arbitration IRC channel, but is very active on the administrative channel, perhaps too active. I am very seldom on that channel, as I am unable to follow the conversation when I am working. Perhaps I don't understand the dynamics which occur there. I do think you play a role in these troubles, just as Kelly Martin played a role in her troubles. Simply put, you're trying to throw your weight around and being pretty nasty to other users. I really haven't followed your editing work, but many say it is good. I would like you to continue, but to do so, you will have to play a role in being nicer to people and not being so paranoid. If you are constantly attacking, others will attack you, and it just snowballs. We can't stop that dynamic without you helping us along. You might start with a few apologies. I'll do everything I can to help you, if you would make a start. Fred Bauder 15:04, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

The WP political model

I (mostly) like WP as an encyclopedia and, as a principled anti-authoritarian, I like its potential as a political model... in theory. But the political practice is another matter altogether, as evidenced by the second (that I know of) cascade of events upon you. I have enjoyed and learnt from many of the articles you've written or substantially contributed to, I have read a small number of your comments on various matters - some regarding articles, others addressing WP itself - and it's plain that you have WP's interests at heart, so plain, the fact seems lost on some people. I wish WP operated in a transparent manner - it doesn't and, in its present incarnation, can't. i wish things hadn't gone as they have. I wish you well and look forward to your return, if you change your mind in the future. Pinkville 02:27, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Logs

Please stop spamming the logs all over Misplaced Pages.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:58, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. Anyway, I thought you left. Or have you changed your mind? – Gurch 23:09, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

No I'm not coming back, I#ll be permabanned by the clique for this, so I thought I'd go out with a bang :-) I've loads more but these just suited the moment, James forrester pretending he did not know why people thought he controlled IRC, see his comment on the arbitration case talk. Oh Dear, they seem to have gone again. Never mind most people have seen them now Giano 23:14, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I imagine a fair few people have, yes. I won't comment on the content of your posts, especially since I have no way to be certain that the information they contain is genuine. I would suggest, though, that if you are serious about leaving, it would be better to do so without any further disruption. Thanks – Gurch 23:18, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Why not ask those mentioned if they are genuine? Giano 23:21, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Those with records of their own will be able to come to their own conclusions, and I'm sure someone will ask at some point. It won't be me, though – Gurch 23:25, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

IRC decision to block me but they dare not mention it on the site! Giano 00:08, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Giano, look at it this way: Even if there is a conspiracy against you, there are also several people who've said that they are ready to give you the support that you need to contribute productively. Star-chamber or not, if you can come down off the ledge it would at least mean that the focus could be on the underlying problems you allude to, as opposed to the distractions of your behavior. You want to contribute, I want you to contribute, just about everyone wants you to contribute. Email me, use my talk page, for goodness' sake call my house if you have to. But the deepening spiral we're in is neither going to solve the problems you see nor going to make you any happier. C'mon mate, p.l.e.a.s.e. listen. - brenneman 03:47, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I've been trying to stay out of all this, but I'd like to second Aaron - the multi-way harrassment is no good on either side (it would have been easier if you walked away and ignored them instead of slinging back, but that's academic now), but your contributions outside of that have been a really good thing, and I hate to see things end up like this. Please reconsider... Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert 04:10, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

That's fucked up. -- Ned Scott 05:50, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Dear Reader, I think it's time the logs were published. If someone wants to talk about me, or you, or Giano, or some other wikipedian in private, fine, that's private, I'll wear it. But if someone wants to talk about other people in public, then I don't see any right to complain if someone accurately repeats what was said.

With that said, Giano, I wish you would see that you could be more effective if you would agree to 'play nicely with others' according to their definition of nice. Even if, especially if, you don't believe that they deserve your respect. Regards, Ben Aveling 07:15, 30 December 2006 (UTC) PS. For the record, I do not and never have used IRC.

Giano, I am third to Aaron and Georgewilliam. I personally promise to do everything I can to provide a workable environment for you. There are not that very many productive contributors to Wiki and a loss of a single one of them hurts a big deal. I just returned from a week-long wiki (and the rl) holiday and found that half of the people I care for are either left or about to left. Please reconsider, you simply cannot do it to us Alex Bakharev 13:39, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Giano, I don't know you very well, and what I've seen of you has mostly been in this dispute, in which you haven't really come across very well (so often people who are clearly in the right, as I believe you are, act badly and allow their enemies to better them simply because they are "playing the game") , but I have to say that I have a great deal of difficulty reconciling Jimbo's stated desire that we should all get along with his tolerance for those who feel it's okay to make personal attacks in media they control. The "politics" of Misplaced Pages is absolutely poisonous. It would definitely improve for Jimbo's strongly disapproving IRC and, I have to say it, disempowering some of those involved. Grace Note 00:59, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

For god's sake

Giacomo, for god's sake, you copypasted the article into the namespace, don't do that! You're supposed to use the Move button. To bring the History along. Is it ok if I re-move it, if I can figger how? Bishonen | talk 20:49, 30 December 2006 (UTC).

For simple history-merges (like this), delete the article, move the original page to the article, delete it also, then undelete the whole thing to merge the histories. Hope you don't mind me leaving the note... (Kylu@work) 207.145.133.34 23:16, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Personally I think the content is more important, the cleanup can wait for those of us who enjoy the editorial work :-D - David Gerard 21:50, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion in this current row

I don't expect you to be excessively overjoyed by it, but I thought I should tell you about it directly: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Giano/Workshop#.28Dec_2006.29_A_Modest_Proposal. This whole thing has gone on to the point where everyone else no longer cares and is heartily sick of hearing about it. You won't get the sought-for justice, punishment or recompense, but you may get a better editing environment.

Also, I must apologise for misreading your edits and blocking you yesterday. I chatted with Bishonen for four hours afterwards and she reassured you'd never vandalise in any way.

My only brief in this matter is to help the encyclopedia be better, and it'd be nice if all these people I respect would stop screaming at each other - David Gerard 21:50, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

And you have stated you will never get those hours back. Nice. Bishonen | talk 01:59, 1 January 2007 (UTC).

On an entirely unrelated note...

I suppose this post comes too late, and is possibly already obsolete, but I've been meaning to drop by for a week now. What I originally wanted to say was thank you for the article on West Wycombe Park, which I noticed on FAC quite some time ago, and it piqued my interest despite being well afield of my usual subjects. I was in the library last week looking for travel reading and thought of that article, and ended up leaving with this book on Francis Dashwood's Hellfire Club. Of course it's poor scholarship, but entertaining reading all the same, and my train ride would have been that much duller without you :) Opabinia regalis 04:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

And to this I will add that there are no words to express how appreciated your work is. --Irpen 05:56, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

French medieval architecture

Well, I think it is French and I think it is medieval! :-) I have been reading some of your articles, such as your massive expansion of Hannah Primrose, Countess of Rosebery, and have been very impressed by them. The building in question is Chateau Grimaldi. We don't have an article on it (I don't think), but look at the links I've put at the bottom of the Serge Voronoff article, and at the bottom of the House of Grimaldi article. There are some pretty pictures here. Hope you read this at some point, or someone lets you know about it. Carcharoth 12:33, 2 January 2007 (UTC)