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	The second paragraph was added in the "Popular culture" section:		The second paragraph was added in the "Popular culture" section:
	:In popular culture it has become a trend to say, "Librarian, the original search engine." It was has gained quite a lot of traction in social media and among librarians but some simply loathe the slogan or comparison.<ref>{{Cite web\|date=2012-11-30\|title=You would not say, "Astronomers: The Original Telescope"\|url=https://litwinbooks.com/you-would-not-say-astronomers-the-original-telescope/\|access-date=2020-10-27\|website=Litwin Books & Library Juice Press\|language=en-US}}</ref>		:In popular culture, it has become a trend to say, "Librarian, the original search engine." It was has gained quite a lot of traction in social media and among librarians but some simply loathe the slogan or comparison.<ref>{{Cite web\|date=2012-11-30\|title=You would not say, "Astronomers: The Original Telescope"\|url=https://litwinbooks.com/you-would-not-say-astronomers-the-original-telescope/\|access-date=2020-10-27\|website=Litwin Books & Library Juice Press\|language=en-US}}</ref>

	The cited source is a blog post entirely insufficient to support the broad claims made in the paragraph. We need much stronger sourcing to support claims made in an encyclopedia article. ] (]) 02:29, 27 October 2020 (UTC)		The cited source is a blog post entirely insufficient to support the broad claims made in the paragraph. We need much stronger sourcing to support claims made in an encyclopedia article. ] (]) 02:29, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

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			== Response ==
			According to the CDC Librarians were one of the choices for use as contact tracers. <ref>{{cite web \|title=Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) \|url=https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/contact-tracing/contact-tracing-plan/scaling-staff.html \|website=Centers for Disease Control and Prevention \|language=en-us \|date=11 February 2020}}</ref> I found other articles that mention Librarians as contact tracers in Denver and Massachusetts <ref>{{cite web \|title=As States Seek COVID Detectives, Librarians Are Among The Candidates \|url=https://www.kunc.org/health/2020-05-11/as-states-seek-covid-detectives-librarians-are-among-the-candidates \|website=KUNC \|language=en \|date=12 May 2020}}</ref> <ref>{{cite web \|title=Contact Tracing and Libraries – MBLC Blog \|url=https://mblc.state.ma.us/mblc_blog/2020/06/17/contact-tracing-and-libraries/ \|website=mblc.state.ma.us}}</ref> but as you can imagine, mentioning librarians becoming contact tracers is probably not at the top of the list for most news articles. The work of librarians has been largely changed as they have been temporarily displaced from their usual jobs and asked to have chosen to volunteer in other areas where their skills could be used. <ref>{{cite web \|title=Other (Pandemic) Duties as Assigned \|url=https://americanlibrariesmagazine.org/blogs/the-scoop/other-pandemic-duties-as-assigned/ \|website=American Libraries Magazine}}</ref> I do agree wording could be edited but I don't think it should be entirely thrown out. I figured the temporary change in work for librarians during the pandemic should be mentioned here that is why I added it.

			As for the second edit, it is a phrase often seen in popular librarian gifts. I agree it can be reworded. I have seen it on shirts, bags, and even mugs used by librarians. It was just a fun addition and I figured it fit under pop culture. The library of congress even sells a shirt, mug, and journal in their online shop with the quote. <ref>{{cite web \|title=Search Engine Librarian Journal \|url=https://library-of-congress-shop.myshopify.com/search?q=Search+Engine \|website=Library of Congress Shop \|language=en}}</ref>

			Again I apologize, this is my first time editing and I am only doing this for a class. I'm being graded for editing articles and am still learning to use the interface. It was not my intention to step on anyone's toes. I sincerely thought they were being removed because I was editing them wrong.

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Top picture

The top picture does not reflect a librarian. It's not even a person and would be better in the section about librarians in popular culture (which I also think needs an update). I think the article would be better served by showing librarians doing actual librarianship. I'm looking into more pictures. There's quite a few nice ones of librarians "in action" on commons. I hope others weigh in, otherwise, I'll be bold and pick something out. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:31, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

I agree! This photo shows two librarians from San Francisco Public Library "in action" but honestly I'd be happy with anything you pick out. https://commons.wikimedia.org/File:Librarians_at_Bay_Area_WikSalon_-_2.jpg Merrilee (talk) 19:04, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

@Merrilee: I do like that picture. I think we could use it in the article (which I think needs a lot of work!). But for the top picture, I really want to see an "action shot" of people in a library doing library stuff, and bonus for diversity! I haven't found the pic I'm "in love with" yet. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 02:13, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

I also just noticed that there's no section about librarians and Misplaced Pages! This article needs major work!!! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 02:15, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

No thanks. ElKevbo (talk) 06:18, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Except that librarians have helped improve Misplaced Pages through #1lib#1ref. It's not navel gazing if it's noteworthy. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:57, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Objections to recent additions

LibraryTea recently added two paragraphs to this article and I have objections to them.

The first paragraph was added in a new "COVID-19" section:

Librarians and other library workers in the United states who weren't stationed inside the library due to library closures were deployed as work from home COVID-19 contact tracers to aid in contacting individuals believed to have contracted Covid-19, encouraging them to self-quarantine, while also educating them about safety during the pandemic.

I object to this material because it implies that many or all "librarians and other library workers" were employed as contact tracers. The supporting reference doesn't support that claim; it only describes a couple of libraries.

The second paragraph was added in the "Popular culture" section:

In popular culture, it has become a trend to say, "Librarian, the original search engine." It was has gained quite a lot of traction in social media and among librarians but some simply loathe the slogan or comparison.

The cited source is a blog post entirely insufficient to support the broad claims made in the paragraph. We need much stronger sourcing to support claims made in an encyclopedia article. ElKevbo (talk) 02:29, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

References

"Librarians Recruited as COVID-19 Hunters". American Libraries Magazine. Retrieved 2020-10-25.
"You would not say, "Astronomers: The Original Telescope"". Litwin Books & Library Juice Press. 2012-11-30. Retrieved 2020-10-27.

Response

According to the CDC Librarians were one of the choices for use as contact tracers. I found other articles that mention Librarians as contact tracers in Denver and Massachusetts but as you can imagine, mentioning librarians becoming contact tracers is probably not at the top of the list for most news articles. The work of librarians has been largely changed as they have been temporarily displaced from their usual jobs and asked to have chosen to volunteer in other areas where their skills could be used. I do agree wording could be edited but I don't think it should be entirely thrown out. I figured the temporary change in work for librarians during the pandemic should be mentioned here that is why I added it.

As for the second edit, it is a phrase often seen in popular librarian gifts. I agree it can be reworded. I have seen it on shirts, bags, and even mugs used by librarians. It was just a fun addition and I figured it fit under pop culture. The library of congress even sells a shirt, mug, and journal in their online shop with the quote.

Again I apologize, this is my first time editing and I am only doing this for a class. I'm being graded for editing articles and am still learning to use the interface. It was not my intention to step on anyone's toes. I sincerely thought they were being removed because I was editing them wrong.

--LibraryTea (talk) 03:26, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

"Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)". Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. 11 February 2020.
"As States Seek COVID Detectives, Librarians Are Among The Candidates". KUNC. 12 May 2020.
"Contact Tracing and Libraries – MBLC Blog". mblc.state.ma.us.
"Other (Pandemic) Duties as Assigned". American Libraries Magazine.
"Search Engine Librarian Journal". Library of Congress Shop.

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