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Archives

Archive 1 July 27 2006 - Oct 3 2006. Peter's, Niki's, Micah's, and Sylar's powers; Horn Rimmed Glasses' and the Back Dorm Boys' identities; external links. Archive 2 Oct 3 2006 - Oct 4 2006. Symbol-RNA relation; Peter and Isaac's powers; Is Heroes too gory?; Sylar's hunger. Archive 3 Oct 4 2006 - Oct 11 2006. Mr. Linderman, garbage disposal lawsuit, and 1st semi-protect added; TVGuide article; Sylar and the bulletproof vest; the Mysterious Man's identity. Archive 4 Oct 11 2006 - Oct 16 2006. The eclipse; standardizing the main characters' table; Peter's power; defining "verifiability". Archive 5 Oct 16 2006 - Oct 18 2006. TVRage.com link removed; the Symbol subsection and photo added; the minor characters subpage; the graphic novels' Easter eggs; the occupation field edit war. Archive 6 Oct 18 2006 - Oct 24 2006. Ages versus birthdates; plagarism found; NBC.com's errors; minor characters' last names; WikiProject Heroes. Archive 7 Oct 24 2006 - Nov 10 2006. Graphic novel subpage and Heroes image category added; 2nd semi-protect added; defining powers and characters' statuses; Automated Peer Review. Archive 8 Oct 19 2006 - Nov 22 2006. Archives started; Ratings table and fansites removed; Mr. Bennet's status and Mohinder's lack of powers discussed. Archive 9 Nov 10 2006 - Dec 16 2006. Genre: Supernatural or Sci Fi?; Issac's, Ted's, and Mr. Bennet's powers; characters' number of appearances; "full-time" v. "main" character status. Start Next

Heroes premiere in the UK

Hello! Heroes will be shown in the UK in February on the SCI FI channel. I work for SCI FI, and I believe this is relevent and useful information for this Heroes page (particularly for the significant number of readers based in the UK). It is factually correct, most importantly. I suggest mentioning it in the introductory paragraphs. Indeed, I already entered it, but it was deleted. Please let me know what objections there may be to this addition. SCI FI UK 16:55, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Put it in the section entitled "International Broadcasters".--Ac1983fan 16:59, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Forgive me for saying, but surely an encyclopaedia should be neutral, and not favour one territory over others in this way? Of course I appreciate that it is an American show, but it will receive a worldwide fanbase, notably in Great Britain, arguably the second most important TV audience in the world. A small mention at the bottom of the page seems to be somewhat short shrift. SCI FI UK 17:15, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

The reason that the US premiere is mentioned in the first paragraph is because that was the original airdate. Including information on international premieres is certainly important, which is why an entire section is dedicated to this purpose. SuperMachine 17:37, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Showing bias would be what you were doing, BTW. Cute attempt to turn it around Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:05, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, you shouldn't be posting here at all. Misplaced Pages has prohibitions against corporate exploitation of Misplaced Pages, and posting about a future debut on your network would be advertising. thanks, but no thanks. ThuranX 23:15, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

AGF please. There intentions are obviously not malicious. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 23:22, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I never said anything about malice, I said it's exploitive. I never said 'obviously' either. I simply informed him that wikipedia has rules about such conflicts of interest. ThuranX 23:54, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Most other articles about shows and movies on wikipedia have the air/release dates of the show/movie in other countries. The article for the British show Dr. Who mentions the premiere of the show on the American Scifi channel, so does that mean that info should be deleted? I don't see a problem with a blurb about the premiere of the show in the UK, not everything revolves around us Americans.IG-2000 10:13, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

There's a whole section about international broadcasting. I don't think anyone has proposed deleting this information. SuperMachine 12:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

How about as a compromise, we move the international broadcasters table higher in the page so they come right after the lead? Kyaa the Catlord 10:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd oppose such a move. It doesn't make sense to discuss international broadcasting so early in the article. I think it's fine where it is. SuperMachine 12:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Agree with leaving it where it is. I'm not sure what the complaining is about, there is british info in that table - if the air date has a reliable source, add it to that table and cite it. --Milo H Minderbinder 13:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

We haven't officially released a tx date for Heroes yet, but when we do (pretty soon now) I shall make sure it is reflected in the table. Please don't mistake my presence here as an evil corporate agenda to hijack the page, it was a genuine attempt to improve the article and give English fans a bit of useful information, prominently displayed. I completely understand how my appearance could be alarming, of course.

Even if I wasn't an employee of SCI FI (the name of which which continues to be formatted incorrectly in Misplaced Pages, and yet I am too new at this to correct it, sadly) I am still a UK-based fan of the genre and the show, and as such would have liked to see the UK premiere date somewhere easily visible. I completely understand and respect the consensus, that the international broadcasters table serves a similar purpose. I think the argument for a 'world view' that isn't dominated by America is an interesting one, but perhaps best led elsewhere for now. SCI FI UK 18:04, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

The page has a world view. The only reason the US broadcasts are more prominent is because they are the first broadcasts. While the foreign broadcasts are interesting and useful, they don't really merit being at the top of the page. --Milo H Minderbinder 18:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Zach's sexuality

A user recently tried to add this issue with the series. While his attempt was poorly worded, steeped in POV and OR, it's valid information about the show, and someone should add it in soon. ThuranX 23:20, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

X, no offense here, but work on the spelling and caps. Typing in general, I guess. It's getting a little...weird.

I see no "cotnroversy" or controversy of any kind. That latter word is really abused, I find. (e. g. "KFC" redirecting to "niggers" is a "KFC Controversy".) Anyway, Zach's sexuality is really a minor thing, especially now that the character and actor seem highly unlikely to return. If it were Peter, and Nathan had a problem with it, ala Wedding Wars, I'd see the import. As is, a recurring character on hiatus was the subject of gay speculation/bashing. How about we mention Ando's perversion on the main page while we're at it? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Looking closer, and reverting the user's idiocy myself, it looks like vandalism, or, at best, content still not suitable for various reasons. Common sense, people. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:09, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

There has definitely been some controversy about this, although I don't know how much if any coverage there has been in the mainstream press. Tim Kring himself has even publically given a message of excuse/apology. To be honest, I'm surprised it took this long for someone to add it. I'll give it a shot tomorrow if someone hasn't done a decent version by then. --Milo H Minderbinder 00:16, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

There's an issue. Okay, fine. This still doesn't seem like something for the main page. Add a blurp to Zach's section of list of characters in Heroes and be done with thus. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:35, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

This is a two part thing, Ace. One, there's a valid issue that the page needs. Two, there's a rude editor taking WP:BOLD too far with total disregard for grammar. Part one matters, and should be addressed. Part two should continue to be reverted, as both you and I have done. as for my typing, I type fast, and on a keyboard that, regretably, has kiddies getting crumbs on it at times... sometimes i hear the distinct 'crunch' of a crumb going to powder, and I have to hope it don't ruin another key. Half the sensors for my 1 and left SHIFT and CTRL keys are shot, requiring a harder touch than my touchtyping leaves. As for the rest, I type fast and even faster when on a roll. ThuranX 04:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. Fair enough. I just don't want to clutter the article with a character specific issue of limited notablity. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 04:13, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

We can edit it out over time, but it's worth including for now. Not because he's minor, but because gay characters on TV is a more siginifcant issue nowadays. ThuranX 04:57, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

The show isn't about someone being gay, and I don't see the point of making a big deal about it on the main page. Show's like "Will & Grace" and "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" has kinda made the whole gay character thing, "so last year." IG-2000 09:15, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Again, it'snot about one character being gay, the controversy is that the creator/writer said he was, and NBC executives forced the change in response to outside forces to increase marketability and to appease moralists. that sort of controversy about a show IS worthy of inclusion. ThuranX 12:54, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely. There's a big backlash right now in the gay press and community (I first read about it in TV guide and IMDB). Although the real reason for the change is unknown right now - I've been reading that it wasn't NBC itself, but the actor's management. But at this point that's pretty speculative. --Milo H Minderbinder 14:11, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

A source for what you spouted would be great, X. Kind of hard to imagine the network that kept Will and Grace on the air ten years would buckle to homophobes. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 19:30, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Here's a source on it supposedly being due to the actor's agent . More here: I think there's enough verifiable info to mention that there is a controversy (which is hinted at in the list of characters), but the reason behind the change still is speculative at this point. --Milo H Minderbinder 20:35, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay. How about something in the Homecoming article ala the "alternate version" section of Genesis? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Talk Page cleanup

Today I created archive #9 for our main Heroes talk page. Hurray for us working actively on the WP pages for a great show! The top section of our talk page has a lot of info boxes, however. (Sorry, not sure of the proper name for those boxes.) Can any of the boxes be moved or removed? fmmarianicolon | Talk 23:39, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

You could also use Werdnabot for archiving as well.--NMajdan•talk 17:29, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

George Takei to star as Hiros father.

According to a number of news sources, George Takei will join Heroes as Hiro Nakamura's father. This is very exciting news, in my opinion. Where shoud this infomation be put in the article? dposse 03:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I saw this announcement a couple of days ago, and I thought that it was exciting news too, but I don't think it has a place in any of the articles yet. He should appear in cast for the articles on the episodes in which he will be appearing, once that is determined. Primogen 03:27, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Narration by Mohinder Suresh

• Genesis (Heroes)
• Collision (Heroes)
• Hiros
• Better Halves
• Nothing to Hide (Heroes)
• Fallout (Heroes)

Those six articles need the Narration by Mohinder Suresh either added or expanded. If anyone out there has the episodes recorded, please add the Narration beginning and ending to all six of those articles. thanks. dposse 20:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Fallout didn't have any narration, surprisingly. I might still have Nothing to Hide recorded somewhere, I'll add anything missing when I get a chance. --Stabbey 21:00, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I've got someone to transcribe narration for some of the episodes. You can get the missing narration for Genesis, Collision, Hiros and Better Halves" from The TVIV Wiki, since all you're taking is the direct quotes from the show. Of course, other information requires attribution. Technically I think the narration is by Mohinder Suresh, not the actor Sendhil Ramamurthy because Sendhil doesn't naturally have the accent Mohinder has, but it's a minor point. --Stabbey 19:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

From what we know, Micah does have a confirmed power

He is a technopath. What other power could repair a telephone? Nikki never said outright "I have super strength" but we know she does. Micah does not have to outright say his power for us to know what it is. It should be allowed to put that Micah is in fact a technopath 71.253.41.191 13:33, 25 December 2006 (UTC)December 25, 2006

We've discused this already. Until Micah or someone else says that Micahs power is only Technopathy and not something else, it is considered original research. The same goes for The Hatian. dposse 14:19, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Then if that is so, then you must not put Nikki's power there either, because "it might be something else" she may just be crazy and work out alot.71.253.41.191 20:01, 25 December 2006 (UTC)December 25, 2006

Insanity and human fitness wouldn't explain her breaking open a safe with her bare hands. Plus, she's kinda thin. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Haha. We actually have a source for Niki/Jessica. But for now, we don't have a source for The Hatian or Micah Sanders. Until it becoes more clear in the series, or until we get a story like that one in the media, we have to wait. dposse 21:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

What happens if those two powers are never "officialy confirmed" and left to the audience to confirm it themselves? Is it also not allowed to put what an unconfirmed power is similiar to? 71.253.41.191 09:40, 26 December 2006 (UTC) December 26, 2006

As you can see through the archives, this question's come up before. One good way to be sure is to wait for comfirmation. barring that, the media. Only third, by blatant repeated demonstration on the show, should we validate a power. For example, we knew Jessica was superstrong long ago, but couldn't add it. Now, with that EW report, we can clearly explain her powers. IF we saw a scene in which Micah interacted with machinery in a way wherein he got results so out of spec that there's no good explanation BUT technopathy, we could use it. if we could see him changing TV channels with a remote OR (gasp!)getting up to turn them manually, we'd have a clue. If we saw him using a computer without touching it, or touching it but NOT typing or clicking, that'd be a good clue. and so on. Given that Micah's been shown to be fairly UNafraid of his powers, I doubt it'll be much longer before we see him use them in a more overt manner. I recommend some patience. we've still got half a season to go. ThuranX 15:22, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

So can i delete this whole section then? 141.158.127.15 01:38, 27 December 2006 (UTC)December 26, 2006

What if the pay phone was simply out of power, and Micah provided an electrical charge to power on the phone. Oh no, look at that! He's an electrokinetic! (Is that a word?) That revelation would totally debunk any speculation about Technopathy and prove us wrong if we put that into the article. Hm.. I'm starting to actually wonder if maybe his powers truly are electrically based. Static Shock, anyone? Check out Electrophoresis if you get an opportunity. ;)

Haitian symbol

Should we do something about the Haitian's symbol? Like...move it to his article? It's only appeared a few times, only on two people. It can't be considered a "symbol of the series" like the RNA S. I was iffy about the placement here to be begin with, and now it just seems like some misplaced, largely irrelevant detail meant for another article. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:46, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. It makes sense that his symbols go on his page, just as Isaac's paintings go on his page. Although I have a feeling that the symbols may not be due to the Haitain but to Mr. Bennet's organization in the end. fmmarianicolon | Talk 01:53, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I oppose this. It seems silly to me, considering the multiple places we've seen it. It's much more of a symbol of the series then it is a symbol of the Haitian. I don't really need to list the dozen places it's shown up unassociated with the Haitian, do I? --Stabbey 14:33, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

We're talking about t5he symbol on Matt and Ted's necks, not the RNA. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 18:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I was confused. But if that symbol were to be moved, I think it would be just as at home on Mr. Bennet's page. There's nothing to indicate that the symbol is a result of anything the Haitian has done to Matt and Ted. --Stabbey 18:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Stabbey, the parallel marks could just as easily be marks from some kind of surgery from biological testing/experimentation performed by Bennet's team; it might not have anything to do with the effects of the Haitian.

Whatever the case, I'm removing it from the article as irrelevant and reinstating the title "The symbol". Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 19:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Flag in infobox

It's fairly common to use the {{USA}} template in infoboxes. That's why the template exists. What exactly is it harming? - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 04:51, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

It harms the readability of the template, over-emphasizing the location where none of the other items have, or should have, a flag. It harms navigability, in that anyone clicking on the flag is sent not to the appropriate article on the United States, but to an Image namespace page with a picture of the flag—because the purpose of images is generally to be images, not navigation tools, and there is no reason in this case why the flag would be needed for navigation. The commonality of a bad practice does not make it a good practice. Often, practices are common simply because someone looked around and saw a bunch of uses of it, saying "oh, it must be standard practice, I must put it in the infobox". Or, some flag aficionado goes around with a semi-automated tool and replaces all the infobox location items with flags. It also implies that the show is somehow specially related to the flag, when it just so happens that it was produced in the United States (and other things may have been done elsewhere anyway); it is unlikely the producers decided to produce it in the United States to work under the flag or declared the pledge of allegiance before filming every day. The main reasonable use of the template is for sports infoboxes, which is a genre where it is common to say that a person is representing a country and where the flag is often included. It is also useful in these and similar cases where the full name of the country should not be stated every time; the first use has the flag with the country and then subsequent uses have only the flag, e.g. to save space in a table. —Centrx→talk • 23:13, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I see no harm to the readability, and as it is a standard practice, I'd suggest that the Village Pump would be the place to discuss this, and not try to make a stand here on one article page. Bring it there, see if they reference you to a WP or an existing debate. As to whether or not the images should link to articles on the nation, it's flag, or simply it's image resource page, I definitely think that the VP is the place to bring your concerns. In the meantime, I recommend you let the flag stand, until such time as a citable policy is evinced oppsing the use thereof. ThuranX 23:53, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

It is not standard practice (see, for example, anything in Misplaced Pages:Featured articles; such as Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones, James Robert Baker, Make Way for Ducklings, Only Fools and Horses, Elliott Smith, etc., I clicked on about 40 persons, television shows, films, etc. and found only 1 that had flags (and which used them in a different way)) and there is no "citable policy" for including the flag. If you want though, see Misplaced Pages:Images#Image choice and placement and Misplaced Pages:Images#Pertinence and encyclopedicity, and disparate parts of Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style. —Centrx→talk • 02:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Like SigEp, I've seen it used elsewhere in Misplaced Pages, and sometimes on similar or related pages, suggesting that multiple editors have added the flags to clusters they work. I'd suggest bringing it up on the Talk for Images, as you linked. ThuranX 04:39, 1 January 2007 (UTC)(Also, Misplaced Pages:Images isn't policy not guideline, and the talk only identifies is as 'Descriptive'. I really think that rather than get contentious, it would be great to get some thoughts from those over at WP:Images, ee if they can generate a guideline, and then all of WP will have a reference for this issue.)ThuranX 04:47, 1 January 2007 (UTC)(edit conflict here)

So is there any reason why it should be included in this article? —Centrx→talk • 04:41, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Is there any reason you can't wait and get some feedback from those who focus on image use? ThuranX 04:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

All images in Category:Heroes Images need to be double checked

I have just finished going through every Heroes article I could find and tagging all the images with Category:Heroes Images. While doing this I noticed that most if not all of the images lack a description and more importantly lack fair use rational. Because of this many of the images have already been tagged for deletion. I'm fixing to head to bed so someone else is going to need to take aver from here but at least all the images are in one place now. -- Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  12:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

CFD notice

The related Category:Heroes (TV series) actors has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page.

Influences on show premise

This press release for the debut of Heroes on New Zealand's TV3 quotes Tim Kring on being influenced by The Incredibles and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind when creating the show's idea. I thought about adding this to the article, but I don't see where it would fit well. Should the information be added or not? If so, where should we add it? fmmarianicolon | Talk 19:17, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Heroes Wiki (p2)

Do you think that the Heroes Wiki has "a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors"? I want to add the website to the links section, but not before I know that it meets Misplaced Pages:External_links. --Joshtek 02:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

It's a glorified fansite that blatently rips us off. Nuff said. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 04:52, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Fan Site or not, it is still an in-depth resource of information on the show. From first glance it even seems to have far more information on Heroes than is listed on Misplaced Pages. You shouldn't be so blatantly biased towards it.

Ohh! People's choice award! Stop the fucking presses. You want to add more data to this article and this wiki? Please, go right ahead. I love how people say "they have way more!" yet do nothing to balance the scales. And frankly, I'll take quality over quantity. For example,

Who needs a subjective, and ultimately redundant analysis like that? The second line is mostly about his brother anyway. They do excessive, episode by episode summaries of even the most irrelevant details. They miscapitalized, misspell and overall miss the point. For us, anyway, it's not about recording every little detail. It's about properly informing the reader. No amount of content can make up for all that site's failings and issues.

Oh, and I repeat, it's redundant. "Just to itself?" you ask? No! To us. Adding a link to that cesspool would effectively be linking to a craptastic substitute that tries to out do us. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:46, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Does that mean you don't want it listed in the Links section?

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