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November 22

Need help with nested tables

I'm trying to use nested tables, and rows in an outer table are picking up column widths from an inner table. Also, I want the first 16 columns in the main (second level) table to be of the same widths.The markup is

{| class="infobox" style="font-size:88%"
|-
| align="center" | ''IBM S/370 registers''
|-
|
{| style="font-size:70%;"
<!-- Fine tune scale -->
! style="width:5%; text-align:left; border-style: solid none  solid solid;' | <sup>0</sup><sub>0</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:right;border-style: solid solid solid none;'  | <sup>0</sup><sub>7</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:left; border-style: solid none  solid solid;' | <sup>0</sup><sub>8</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:right;border-style: solid solid solid none;'  | <sup>1</sup><sub>5</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:left; border-style: solid none  solid solid;' | <sup>1</sup><sub>6</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:right;border-style: solid solid solid none;'  | <sup>2</sup><sub>3</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:left; border-style: solid none  solid solid;' | <sup>2</sup><sub>4</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:right;border-style: solid solid solid none;'  | <sup>3</sup><sub>1</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:left; border-style: solid none  solid solid;' | <sup>3</sup><sub>2</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:right;border-style: solid solid solid none;'  | <sup>3</sup><sub>9</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:left; border-style: solid none  solid solid;' | <sup>4</sup><sub>0</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:right;border-style: solid solid solid none;'  | <sup>4</sup><sub>7</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:left; border-style: solid none  solid solid;' | <sup>4</sup><sub>8</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:right;border-style: solid solid solid none;'  | <sup>5</sup><sub>7</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:left; border-style: solid none  solid solid;' | <sup>5</sup><sub>8</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:right;border-style: solid solid solid none;'  | <sup>6</sup><sub>3</sub>
| style="width:auto; background:white; color:black" | ''(bit position)*''
|-
| colspan="10" | '''B'''asic '''C'''ontrol mode '''P'''rogram '''S'''tatus '''W'''ord<br />
|- style="background:silver;color:black"
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="2" | SM
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | Key
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | EMWP
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="4" | IC
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | ILC,CC
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | PM
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="6" | IA
| style="background:white; color:black;" | '''BC''' mode '''PSW'''
|-
| colspan="16' |
{| class="wikitable" 
|-
! style="width:20%; text-align:left;"| Field
! style="width:80%; text-align:left;"| Meaning
|-
| SM
| System Mask
|-
| E=0
| BC mode
|-
| M
| Machine-Check Mask
|-
| W
| Wait State
|-
| P
| Problem State
|-
| IC
| Interrupt Code
|-
| ILC
| Interrupt Length Code
|-
| CC
| Condition Code
|-
| PM
| Program Mask
|-
| IA
| Instruction Address
|}
|-
| colspan="10" | '''E'''xtended '''C'''ontrol mode '''P'''rogram '''S'''tatus '''W'''ord<br />
|- style="background:silver;color:black"
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | 0R00
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | 0T<sup>I</sup><sub>O</sub><sup>E</sup><sub>X<sub>
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | Key
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | 1MWP
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | S0,CC
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | PM
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="2" | 00000000
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="2" | 00000000
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="6" | Instruction Address
| style="background:white; color:black;" | '''EC''' mode '''PSW'''
<!-- Add XA and ESA -->
|}
* Note: IBM documentation numbers the bits from high order to low order; the most significant (leftmost) bit is designated as bit number 0.
|}>
<nowiki>{| class="infobox" style="font-size:88%"
|-
| align="center" | ''IBM S/370 registers''
|-
|
{| style="font-size:70%;"
<!-- Fine tune scale -->
! style="width:5%; text-align:left; border-style: solid none  solid solid;' | <sup>0</sup><sub>0</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:right;border-style: solid solid solid none;'  | <sup>0</sup><sub>7</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:left; border-style: solid none  solid solid;' | <sup>0</sup><sub>8</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:right;border-style: solid solid solid none;'  | <sup>1</sup><sub>5</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:left; border-style: solid none  solid solid;' | <sup>1</sup><sub>6</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:right;border-style: solid solid solid none;'  | <sup>2</sup><sub>3</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:left; border-style: solid none  solid solid;' | <sup>2</sup><sub>4</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:right;border-style: solid solid solid none;'  | <sup>3</sup><sub>1</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:left; border-style: solid none  solid solid;' | <sup>3</sup><sub>2</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:right;border-style: solid solid solid none;'  | <sup>3</sup><sub>9</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:left; border-style: solid none  solid solid;' | <sup>4</sup><sub>0</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:right;border-style: solid solid solid none;'  | <sup>4</sup><sub>7</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:left; border-style: solid none  solid solid;' | <sup>4</sup><sub>8</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:right;border-style: solid solid solid none;'  | <sup>5</sup><sub>7</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:left; border-style: solid none  solid solid;' | <sup>5</sup><sub>8</sub>
! style="width:5%; text-align:right;border-style: solid solid solid none;'  | <sup>6</sup><sub>3</sub>
| style="width:auto; background:white; color:black" | ''(bit position)*''
|-
| colspan="10" | '''B'''asic '''C'''ontrol mode '''P'''rogram '''S'''tatus '''W'''ord<br />
|- style="background:silver;color:black"
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="2" | SM
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | Key
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | EMWP
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="4" | IC
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | ILC,CC
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | PM
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="6" | IA
| style="background:white; color:black;" | '''BC''' mode '''PSW'''
|-
| colspan="16" |
{| class="wikitable" 
|-
! style="width:20%; text-align:left;"| Field
! style="width:80%; text-align:left;"| Meaning
|-
| SM
| System Mask
|-
| E=0
| BC mode
|-
| M
| Machine-Check Mask
|-
| W
| Wait State
|-
| P
| Problem State
|-
| IC
| Interrupt Code
|-
| ILC
| Interrupt Length Code
|-
| CC
| Condition Code
|-
| PM
| Program Mask
|-
| IA
| Instruction Address
|}
|-
| colspan="10" | '''E'''xtended '''C'''ontrol mode '''P'''rogram '''S'''tatus '''W'''ord<br />
|- style="background:silver;color:black"
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | 0R00
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | 0T<sup>I</sup><sub>O</sub><sup>E</sup><sub>X<sub>
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | Key
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | 1MWP
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | S0,CC
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="1" | PM
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="2" | 00000000
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="2" | 00000000
| style="text-align:center;" colspan="6" | Instruction Address
| style="background:white; color:black;" | '''EC''' mode '''PSW'''
<!-- Add XA and ESA -->
|}
* Note: IBM documentation numbers the bits from high order to low order; the most significant (leftmost) bit is designated as bit number 0.
|}

and it yields

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 01:30, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to collapse this for ease of scrolling. No objections if it's undone. Squeeps10 _{please ping me} 03:57, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

@Squeeps10:Made markup and rendering separately collapsible. Added colspan="16"; that seems to bypass the problem. Used % for column width. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 16:54, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thanks {

Saturday Night Football ABC Game November 28

What No Game November 28. 68.102.42.216 (talk) 04:24, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Questions like this are better suited for the reference desk. {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk} Please ping when replying. 04:33, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

And, as you were told above (and not for the first time) at #Games Getting Cancelled by Covid-19 this is a help desk not a forum for your sporting complaints. Eagleash (talk) 07:19, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Copyright question

I imported a contents from http://encyclopediaofmath.org/index.php?title=Reinhardt_domain&oldid=48495 when editing several complex variables. When I reread the copyright again, I thought that it might not be CC-BY-SA. I hope there is no problem…--SilverMatsu (talk) 05:07, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

@SilverMatsu: It says in first paragraph it is CC-BY-SA and GFDL. What licence info are you seeing? RudolfRed (talk) 05:25, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Thank you for your reply. On the main page, it says "The original articles from the Encyclopaedia of Mathematics remain copyrighted to Springer but any new articles added and any changes made to existing articles within encyclopediaofmath.org will come under the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike License. ", however, the article said, "This article was adapted from an original article by ED Solomentsev (originator), which appeared in Encyclopedia of Mathematics", so I'm worried that it won't be a new post. I also noticed that the post was deleted on this page.--SilverMatsu (talk) 06:01, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

President and Vice President Elect

Regarding Job

sir my name is sai i am here to know is there any job vacancy in ADM please let me know if there is any vacancy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.59.190.30 (talk) 06:40, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

If you're referring to an administrator, you'll have to go through the WP:RFA process. An unregistered editor cannot be an administrator, so you'll have to create an account, wait 30 days, and make 500 edits before you can have an RFA. If ADM is something outside Misplaced Pages, we cannot help you here. I would advise asking whatever "ADM" is directly. {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk} Please ping when replying. 06:44, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages and the other Wikimedia sites are unpaid, volunteer projects. The Wikimedia Foundation, however, has paid employees, if that's what you're looking for. —— 18:07, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

RE: Stepanakert/ Nagornii Karabakh

How to report false information like the last entry on this page?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Matthew_W._Brann — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.241.1.182 (talk) 09:32, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

The last sentence of Matthew W. Brann is supported by three references, including an official court document which provides the "unhinged" statement. It is most unlikely that it will be removed. Maproom (talk) 10:28, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Yet again we see that only information not supporting far-right politics gets called "false information". JIP | Talk 13:09, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

@JIP: It's fucking terrifying. 73 million people voted for him, mostly against their own interests and surely their own ethics if they weren't so insulated from reality as to not actually be aware, after four years, of his actual nature, policies and actions.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:40, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

It's not that they're unaware of it, and more that they actively support it because he's a useful idiot for the purposes of annihilating the coastal elites. —A little blue Bori v^_^v 21:30, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

That's absolutely true of people like Mitch McConnell, et al., but not the majority of the electorate. The majority of Trump voters, for example, are people who have been and stand to be further devastated by erosion of, and if the elected republicans have their way, the wholesale removal of the social safety net, the deepening of the ever-increasing wealth gap, no regulation, climate change, and on and on.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:26, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

How to report false information like the claim in the entry above on this page?

#How to report false information like the last entry on this page?
--CiaPan (talk) 13:15, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

The place to propose improvements to any article content is on the Talk Page of that article. You will be expected to provide a reliable source for any assertion you wish to make.--Shantavira| 14:17, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

I believe User:CiaPan was looking to propose improvements to the Help Desk itself. JIP | Talk 14:28, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Replacing Permanent Dead Links

Hi Team, Hope you are staying safe.

Recently I was wondering if the "permanent dead link" could be replaced with a resourceful external link. Please let me know how this can be done.

Regards, Laterwan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laterwan (talk • contribs) 14:32, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

@Laterwan: You can replace the dead URL inside a citation with a live URL to the IDENTICAL source. You can add a new citation (without removing the old one if the source is not identical but the new source supports the assertion that the old source supported: in this case you could also choose to remove the URL from the old source, leaving all of the other information (title, author, date, etc.) in the citation. If you are referring to standalone external links in an "external links" section, you can remove a dead link entirely. Separately, you can add a new external link, but external links are generally deprecated in favor of links used as references to specific facts. See Misplaced Pages:External links. As to "how": you edit the article. This is easy for external links, harder for citations until you get the hang of it. see Help:Referencing for beginners. -Arch dude (talk) 17:05, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

This is not replacing a dead link, it's spamming. Praxidicae (talk) 17:08, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

@Laterwan: Yes, that was absolutely linkspam. Many editors react very, very negatively to this, so you are at risk of getting blocked if you do it again. Worse: we are likely to blacklist the URL, so it will not be possible to use in anywhere in Misplaced Pages, even where the use would otherwise be legitimate. see WP:LINKSPAM. -Arch dude (talk) 17:43, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Judge Brann article

I made a donation yesterday. I sort of regret it after reading the biased anti-Trump article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.157.224 (talk) 14:43, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages works with what reliable sources say. If you're able to find reliable sources that support Trump, discuss it on the article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:04, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your donation. Donations are to the Wikimedia Foundation, which maintains the systems that host hundreds of different-language Misplaced Pages and other projects. Nobody editing Misplaced Pages has any knowledge of who has donated and how much: they are kept entirely separate, to avoid compromising Misplaced Pages's neutrality. If you wish to stop donating, that is of course your privilege. If you wish to be involved in improving Misplaced Pages, you are most welcome: Tenryuu has made a suggestion. --ColinFine (talk) 15:30, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

I'd like to add that none of the people who write the Misplaced Pages articles, regardless of their political views or their opinions about Donald Trump, ever get to see a single cent of the donations. They all go to the Wikimedia Foundation to maintain the systems. So the donations are no way to influence the article contents. JIP | Talk 15:37, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Why My Book draft Walking into the Mystery got rejected whereas it is genuine.

Kindly move my article to article space. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.102.122.22 (talk) 16:32, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Please read the reasons for declining and the accompanying comments. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:58, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Also see Misplaced Pages:Notability (books) which explains the criteria for accepting articles about books. Theroadislong (talk) 17:09, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

And please always remind to log in. Using an IP adress rather than your account may qualify as WP:BADSOCK. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:10, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt: No, editing while logged out is not sockpuppet, as long as there is no ill intent. See WP:LOGOUT RudolfRed (talk) 20:51, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

@Helix Sergey: (and IP 14.102.122.22) Your book exists, yes. Many books exist. Millions of them. But there is no evidence of your book being Notable in Misplaced Pages's eyes. What there is, however, is this evidence that you will do anything to promote your book here. Please find another site, and don't try a stunt like that again here, or you may find your editing privileges withdrawn. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:42, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

@Helix Sergey: approximately 2.2 million new book titles are published each year: see Books published per country per year. Only a tiny percentage of them meet Misplaced Pages's requirements for notability: see WP:NBOOK. Yours is not one of them. -Arch dude (talk) 19:27, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

November 23

Searching for Wikiepedia articles on Google looks off for the section I added

Recently I've been editing and adding a bunch of things to the Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of Dana page, including the Sales section. The problem is that this section looks off on Google when you search for it. Just go on Google and search "Ys VIII sales Misplaced Pages", and you'll see "Sales " even though it's not supposed to be there? Is there any way to fix this?HamlockK (talk) 00:16, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@HamlockK: Misplaced Pages has no control over how Google displays its information. Our servers create ad serve an HTML page that Google interprets. Our page does in fact have the text you quoted. -Arch dude (talk) 01:54, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Linking to Wiktionary in prose?

I was reading WP:MOSSIS and saw that Wiktionary links can be linked in prose. Is there any precedent for pointing to a specific definition? Should I use an {{efn}} for that? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:55, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Tenryuu. I'm not sure what you're asking. What's wrong with ], which displays as help? --ColinFine (talk) 10:56, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine, I was just wondering if there was any established guideline for pointing to, say, the fifth definition from the Etymology 2 verb, though it appears that from your answer there doesn't seem to be any. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:56, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure there's no way short of using Xpath, Tenryuu (and I don't know of a way of getting that into a URL): the numbering of the senses is just done by an HTML 'ol' (ordered list) tag, so there's no id on a sense that you could link to. --ColinFine (talk) 19:49, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Thanks for your help; I'm not going to delve into Xpath as that's too advanced for me, but I'll figure out how to best word the sentence I'm thinking of then. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:07, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

List formatting

At this section on my userpage, I am trying to get "Help Desk, the greeting, "reference desk", and that greeting to all appear on different lines, rather than as prose. Does anyone know how to do this? Placing colons didn't work, nor did bullet points. Thanks. {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk} Please ping when replying. 05:50, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Squeeps10, most likely it's the nowiki tags. Have you thought about replacing them with pre tags? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:21, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu, I can't believe I didn't realize that. What is a pre tag, and what does it do? {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk} Please ping when replying. 07:24, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@Squeeps10: They're preformatted tags, which will put text in a box without rendering it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:28, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu: thanks, I'll try that in the morning. {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk} Please ping when replying. 07:33, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

In regard to create a new page for an education institute

Hello There,

I want to create a Misplaced Pages page for an educational institute but don't know how to create it. Could you guys please help me with this?

Thanks Ayushi Agrawal — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayushigarg0822 (talk • contribs) 05:56, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Ayushigarg0822, instructions to create your article are at WP:AFC. Please also read WP:ORG and WP:GNG. {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk} Please ping when replying. 06:04, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ayushigarg0822. I may be misunderstanding you, but often when people ask about creating "a page for" something, they are under the misapprehension that Misplaced Pages is a place to tell the world about their something. It is not. If Misplaced Pages ever has an article about your institution (whether created by you or anbody else), the article will not belong to the institution, the institution will not control its contents, it should not be based on what the institution says or wants to say about itself, but on what independent commentators have published about the institution, and it could end up containing material which the institution would prefer it not to contain. --ColinFine (talk) 11:03, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Red cat

This page has a red-link category (see below) -- Category:Misplaced Pages help pages with dated sectional. Either a typo or perhaps vandalism; presumably should be Category:Misplaced Pages help pages with dated sections. How to fix? --107.15.157.44 (talk) 06:24, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and fixed it. {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk} Please ping when replying. 06:34, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you @Squeeps10: --107.15.157.44 (talk) 06:48, 23 November 2020 (UTC) . . .

Category:Misplaced Pages help pages with dated sections should be added, I believe.

It's showing in the edit window, but not the published page. I'll let someone else figure it out, I'm not great with categories. {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk} Please ping when replying. 21:21, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@Squeeps10: It's a hidden category, so shouldn't show up. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:24, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Pppery so the page is categorized correctly? {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk} Please ping when replying. 21:26, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@Squeeps10: Yes. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:27, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Pppery. {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk} Please ping when replying. 21:36, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Oic -- thx --107.15.157.44 (talk) 00:08, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Regarding change of logo

Recently star suvarna channel logo changed, I want to change to logo, how to change the logo or upload — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harishlash (talk • contribs) 07:37, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Harishlash, does Misplaced Pages:Logos tell you what you want to know? —teb728 t c 09:36, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Getting Authority Control to Populate

I somewhat inherited an article on the guitarist / singer Rocky Kramer and recently placed an Authority control template on the bottom of the page, as some discussions I found seemed to instruct. I also went into the corresponding Wikidata page and updated as much information as possible. Although I found many discussions about Authority Control throughout WP, I found almost nothing that educated me as to how to get the Wikidata information to populate to the article's template box. Have I failed to insert some necessary element into the Wikidata file or does it take some time to populate? I apologize if this is something I should know, but it seems exceptionally complicated and I couldn't find any tutorials that addressed from the standpoint of a complete novice. I would really appreciate someone helping me get it working properly or leading me to a decent tutorial of some sort. Thank you much! --Warriorboy85 (talk) 09:22, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@Warriorboy85: Although the Wikidata item has good deal of information it does not seem to have had any identifiers added (VIAF etc.). Eagleash (talk) 09:37, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@Eagleash: I saw several discussions about VIAF and a list of identifiers, but nothing that explained where I can find the identifiers and how to add them to Wikidata. Do you know of any tutorial designed to educate a total novice? Thanks so much for giving me some direction. --Warriorboy85 (talk) 10:04, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@Warriorboy85: If I understand correctly, only the templates at Category:Templates using data from Wikidata use data from Wikidata. Are you wanting to learn how to modify other templates to use Wikidata? —teb728 t c 10:08, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@Teb728: My problem is that I don't really know what I need to do. I added the Authority Control template and added as much information as I could to the Wikidata file corresponding to the article. I am now discovering that I need to add identifiers, but have no idea how to get identifiers or where to insert them should I get them. Do they populate on their own from WP, if I do nothing? At this point I think I need to do a lot of research before I attempt anything further in terms of Authority Control. I really thank everyone for trying to assist me! You guys are very thoughtful. --Warriorboy85 (talk) 10:36, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@Warriorboy85: FWIW; see a well-known musician's] Wikidata item for an example of a page with a lot (rather more than you would need!) of identifiers. The only way I can see of finding them is searching probably each individual site and adding them. This seems labour intensive etc. and TBH whenever I've added a new item to Wikidata identifiers seems to appear by themselves in the same way that a bot adds the metadata to images at Commons. However you might be able to kick things off a bit by looking at the obvious ones at the example shown. If you are stull having problems, click the 'help' ;ink at the left of the Wikidata page. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 13:39, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

PS I didn't get your ping; (just in case) you need to add the ping, the message and the signature all in one 'go'. Later amnedments cause the ping to fail. Eagleash (talk) 13:39, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

PPS this user and this one are also usually pretty helpful over at 'Data'. Eagleash (talk) 13:47, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Yet more... if I remember rightly, when you add the statement 'VIAF' (say) the identifier section heading is created automatically; not 100% certain about that though. Still the need to find the individual IDs etc though. Eagleash (talk) 13:58, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@Eagleash: Thank you very much for your help and my apologies for the delay getting back to you. I had to get some rest for work today. This help forum is a very nice community and I appreciate the help. --Warriorboy85 (talk) 16:14, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Is there a way to collapse selected rows of a table?

In IBM System/370#Architecture details I have a table with several long sections. There is a heading row showing bit positions, and I want cells in subsequent rows to align with those headings, so I don't want to put those sections in nested tables. I would like to make each of Control Registers and General Registers separately collapsible. Is there a way to do that? Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 10:25, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Naming templates

Are there any templates which can be used to identify articles which are poorly named? Perhaps where the article location on the bold section of the lede do not match? Fob.schools (talk) 12:07, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm not aware of such a template. If there indeed isn't one, you might use {{self-contradictory}} accompanied by an explanation on the article's talk page and/or clarification in the template's |about= parameter. Deor (talk) 19:16, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Oops, forgot to ping Fob.schools. Deor (talk) 19:18, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Deor - any value in creating one, do you think? Fob.schools (talk) 20:33, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Fob.schools I think it might be worth it. {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk} Please ping when replying. 22:29, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

For the record, the article that caused me to ask the questions was Port City Colombo, which seems to be an old name for the area in question. I'm wondering what might be a good template to use as a basis for the new template? And what would be a good name? {{misnamed}}? Fob.schools (talk) 12:25, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

new topic on Fr Mathew Vayalamannil

new topic on Fr Mathew Vayalamannil was declined — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mercythomas (talk • contribs) 13:59, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes, and for the usual reason. Draft:Mathew Vayalamannil fails to demonstrate that its subject is notable, in Misplaced Pages's sense of that word. Please click that blue link. Maproom (talk) 14:04, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Indeed, Mercythomas, Draft:Mathew Vayalamannil was declined. The reasons are at the top, and the various blue links in that point you to pages which explain the problems. You might also find WP:CSMN helpful. Note also that evaluative phrases like "most renowned" and "really interesting" are almost never appropriate in a Misplaced Pages article, which should always be written not from the author's knowledge (still less the author's opinion) but solely from what independent reliably-published sources say about the subject. --ColinFine (talk) 14:07, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Maercythomas: It was declined because notability had not been established. Misplaced Pages requires in-depth coverage in multiple independent,reliable sources. The references given are not usable. One is a routine listing which really only shows that he exists within an organisation and one seems to be little more than an advert for a retreat. Also YouTube is not typically acceptable as a source. Please follow the links in the decline notice for more information and review the guide to article creation. Another useful guide to creating an article can also be found at this page. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the button, which automatically signs posts.) Thank you and good luck. Eagleash (talk) 14:12, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

How to cite author in a reference where no author is given?

Often, I have used "Staff" or "Editors" as the author in a reference to a reliable source, where no specific name is given. Another editor has advocated that the authorship be left blank on the theory of "who cares?". What is the preferred practice and is there an MOS citation for it? HopsonRoad (talk) 14:08, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@HopsonRoad: Leave it blank. If we ever get around to automating an author search based on the information in templates, this will be the best solution. A case could be made for using "staff" or "editors" if the source specifically attributes "staff" or "editors", but as a personal opinion, I would be against that. -Arch dude (talk) 16:42, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@HopsonRoad, Arch dude: I don't know there's a more policy-/help page-/guideline- etc.-based source for this tidbit (or maybe discussion at the pump, etc.), but for what it's worth, the documentation for {{Author incomplete}} provides as follows:

"If you know that no author was specified by the original source, as in common in many newswires, explicitly state this with:

• 1. |author=<!--none-->

     or for free-form citations:

  2. <!--No author specified by source.-->"--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:01, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@HopsonRoad: See also the first two examples at Template:Cite web#Usage. Deor (talk) 19:07, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Unable to edit a page?

Community General Sanctions

Are there general help instructions for how to respond to disruptive editing in an area where Community General Sanctions are in effect? I know what the procedures are when ArbCom Discretionary Sanctions are in effect. The user is first alerted with the {{alert}} macro. Disruptive editing can then be reported to Arbitration Enforcement. Does one use the alert macro for community sanctions, or is there a sibling of it? Then is there a conduct forum to report disruptive editing, or does that go to Arbitration Enforcement, or to WP:ANI? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:01, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

I see that I use the {{gs/alert}} macro. Where do I then report the editor? by the way, this isn't about the US Presidency, because that is ArbCom AP2. This is about covid.Robert McClenon (talk) 18:05, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

I am not familiar with this area, but based on the note at Misplaced Pages:General_sanctions/Coronavirus_disease_2019, it seems that you first need to warn an editor and then if the behavior persists an administrator may take action, so I suppose WP:ANI is a venue you can use for reporting it. RudolfRed (talk) 18:15, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

General sanctions function almost identically to discretionary sanctions by design, the only difference being GS actions don't go to WP:AE, instead going to WP:AN or WP:DRAMA. —A little blue Bori v^_^v 19:56, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Confused about article status that I recently submitted

Hi I am a professor at UCLA and am brand new to writing articles for Misplaced Pages so forgive my ignorance but I'd like to get clarification about an article that I recently submitted.

I wrote an article about a well known design approach that I created as a graduate student at MIT and have built my academic career around, called freedom and constraint topologies (FACT), and Melcous reviewed it (see below) and they flagged it as a possible conflict of interest since it's my own work and is possible self promotion. They moved it to my sandbox but I'm not sure what to do about it there.

Is it not possible for me to publish on my own work? I'm not being paid for writing the article and I'm not making money from the article either. Is there something I'm supposed to change about the article and then resubmit it? It's not clear what I am supposed to change since I can't do anything to make the article not about my own work? Or do you recommend I find others in my field who know about, use, and teach the theory of my design approach and have them publish the article on their own wikipedia account?

The topic should be Misplaced Pages worthy. I've published about the topic in over 40 journal articles, it's been written into respected engineering textbooks, and at least 10 professors teach the theory nationally and internationally in undergraduate and graduate level course at respected top-tier universities. I was honored by President Barack Obama at the White house for creating the approach (as is mentioned on wikipedia under the presidential early career award for scientists and engineers article) and I can't imagine who would be more qualified to write about the approach than its creator.

Melcous comments can be found at: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Jonathanbhopkins#Conflict_of_interest_editing

My article about FACT can be found at: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Draft:Freedom_and_constraint_topologies&oldid=989936274

Any clarity would be much appreciated. Thanks for helping me understand and navigate all of this. best wishes, Jonathan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathanbhopkins (talk • contribs) 20:00, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Jonathanbhopkins. The problem is that it is a fundamental policy of Misplaced Pages that an article should be based almost entirely on sources independent of the subject. An article on your invention may be possible, if it can be based almost entirely on published materials entirely unconnected with you. Most of the references in your draft are to your own work: such sources can be used in only very limited ways - see PRIMARY. If there is enough material published about it not by you or your colleagues, then an article is possible; you are discouraged from writing it, as you do indeed have a conflict of interest, but not forbidden. If there is little or no material about the topic written and published entirely independently of you, then I'm afraid that it does not meet Misplaced Pages's criteria for notability. --ColinFine (talk) 20:19, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

If the topic is genuinely notable, other experts in the field without your obvious conflict of interest would be the obvious candidates to create such an article. Some of the ten professors you mention, and the people who drew your work to Obama's people's attention, seem like obvious candidates. The creator of this approach, on the other hand, is inherently going to be biased in writing about it, just from the realities of human nature. We see the marvels of our own brainchildren clearly; and sometimes we see the flaws as well, with painful clarity. Are there solid introductory descriptions in the textbooks you mention? That's the sort of content we hope to see drawn on, by whoever writes the new article. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:23, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

The current version of the draft is at Draft:Freedom and constraint topologies.   Maproom (talk) 23:09, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@Jonathanbhopkins: I'm not an expert in citing scholarly works, but I do know that Google Scholar has been used in the past to determine the notability of research published on Misplaced Pages. Showing who is citing your research works better for notability validation than simply listing one's own published papers. TimTempleton 01:24, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

changing title of a wikibio

I created a wiki page about Lynn Silver. In the first line I point out it is for Lynn L. Silver, but I would like to change the title to Lynn L. Silver because there is a Lynn D. Silver in a related field — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clquinn (talk • contribs) 21:55, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Clquinn Retitling an article (not just a mere "page") requires a page move, which you may request at Requested Moves. 331dot (talk) 21:58, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Somebody's moved it already, but it's not clear that Lynn D. Silver (if we're talking about the pediatrician) warrants an article, so this may all be moot. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:05, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Lynn L. Silver TimTempleton 00:38, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

November 24

List of severe weather

Can you add monsoon black ice rip currents ice tsunami Lake affect snow On the severe weather Phenomenal list and can you put natural disaster natural whirlpool and put the The 2020 mental health pandemic d&v pandemic on the epidemic list and make a list of what to do on how to prepare for these types of situations — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dylwright (talk • contribs) 00:02, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

With regards to the what-to-do, we do not host how-to guides. —A little blue Bori v^_^v 00:20, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

@Dylwright: Each article has an associated talk page (e.g. the article List of severe weather phenomena has a talk page at Talk:List of severe weather phenomena), which is the appropriate place to add suggestions on how to improve the article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:04, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Viewing past edits and following edits on talk pages

Hi, I am relatively new to Misplaced Pages editing. I want to understand how I can view all my past edits in one place, so I can go back to those pages? Also, I am trying to figure out how I would know if someone responds to me on a talk page like this one without going back and trying to find it? I added the page to my watchlist, but then it appears to show me the most recent edit regardless of whether someone replied to me on a talkpage. Thank you! Rohan608 (talk) 03:15, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Rohan608, hello and welcome to Misplaced Pages! At the top-right, you should find a Contributions button that will lead you to your contributions page. Let me know if you have any further questions. Heart 03:16, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

To your second question, if you follow a page by using the star right of the page title, it will add the page and its talk page to your watchlist. The watchlist is located left of the contributions button. Heart 03:17, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!! Rohan608 (talk) 03:18, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Rohan608, also, if you look in your watchlist settings, unclick "Latest revisions". That will make it so you see every single edit made. By default this is on. To have it default to it to be off, make the settings you want to be the default, and then click the bookmark icon right of the filters. Be sure to check "Set as default." An experience edit will ping you like so: {{u|HeartGlow30797}}. Enjoy! Heart 03:23, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

@Rohan608: Additionally, if you want to be notified when people reply to you, you can ask them to ping you on reply by appending {{pping}} in your comment or signature. Other editors aren't obligated to obey but the chance of receiving an alert goes up. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:29, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Are unsigned comments disruptive?

If so, how? JsfasdF252 (talk) 04:01, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

JsfasdF252, they're not disruptive per se, but they make it hard to figure out who said what in a conversation. {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk} Please ping when replying. 04:36, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Very mildly so, yes. If an editor were to systematically refuse to sign their comments, they'd eventually get in trouble. But it's typically just a matter of gently educating newcomers. Is there a particular reason you ask? {{u|Sdkb}}  07:52, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

WP:SIGNHERE says posts must be signed, but does not say what happens if you don't. RudolfRed (talk) 21:27, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

"deprecated source" warning

I get an auto "deprecated source" warning when I add content from other places on Misplaced Pages-- but I typically have numerous sources and have no way to determine which is "deprecated". Why can't there just be a clear system? tahc 04:51, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Tahc, you can consult the reliable sources noticeboard or the perennial sources list to determine which sources have been deprecated on here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:26, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

AfC problem

Some entries in categories like Category:AfC pending submissions by age/2 months ago say "Draft article not currently submitted for review." It's a waste of time to click on one of them. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:59, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Clarityfiend, hmm, maybe bring this up at WT:AFC and provide an example? Folks there might be able to troubleshoot. {{u|Sdkb}}  07:51, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:21, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

There apepars to be a problem in the code that detects if the draft is already submitted for review. For example, Draft:Global Antibiotic Research and Development Partnership has two AfC boxes: The grey "unsubmitted" one at the top, and the yellow "submitted" box at the bottom. Probbably belongs to the greater amount of problems arriving because of the rename of Template:AFC submission to Template:AfC submission. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 08:47, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Changes have been reverted

I tried making some changes to my boss Ms. Neha Kirpal's Misplaced Pages page today. These are all factual changes that have been approved by her. However, the changes were reverted by another user who said they are not constructive. Do not know what to do. I just created my account today. Kindly help.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mythologypoetess (talk • contribs)

Misplaced Pages doesn't use people asserting truth, it uses verifiability based on what reliable, independent sources say. We don't care what Kirpal says about herself. Also, please read WP:COI, WP:PAID and WP:NOTPROMO- sentences like "For over a decade, Neha Kirpal worked at the intersection of the creative and social sectors." are not neutral point of view, and are not acceptable here. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:25, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

The subject of a Misplaced Pages article does not have any kind of control or authority over the article. On the contrary, the subject and people associated with them are actively discouraged from editing the article at all. JIP | Talk 13:45, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

If she is your boss, you probably shouldn't be editing the article about her in the first place.--Khajidha (talk) 16:05, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Mythologypoetess Your edits were also copyright violations. I have posted a notice about this at your talk page.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:28, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Watclist

How do I watch the Information about something I chose into my watch list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unalovespizza (talk • contribs) 14:49, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

@Unalovespizza: you can see a list of recent changes to articles on your watchlist by clicking on the "watchlist" link at the top right of this or any other Misplaced Pages page. To see the contents of a particular change, click on the "diff" link of the item in the list, or click on the "history" link to see the entire history of changes to the affected article. Play around to get a feel for how this works. -Arch dude (talk) 16:13, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

(e/c) Hi Unalovespizza. I'm not 100% sure I understand what you're asking, so if this does not answer your question, maybe you can clarify somewhat. After adding a page to your watchlist:

• Click on watchlist to see pages that have been modified within the ambit of the settings you apply to your watchlist;
• Be aware that you can modify those settings at: Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist, as well as apply various filters, filter categories of changes, limit namespaces, etc. using the tools provided above the watchlist itself;
• there is also certain watchlist tools/scripts available from Misplaced Pages:Tools and Misplaced Pages:Scripts, and see also Misplaced Pages:Customizing watchlists;
• Learn how to read diffs and page histories, and then make use of the "diff | hist" links provides next to entries populating your watchlist that pique your interest;
• be aware that you can make a "super watchlist" of a small number of selected pages you want to monitor more closely. See Help:Public watchlist; and
• Last but not least, see more information at Help:Watchlist.

Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:18, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Sheet Music Samples

Dear all,

I would like to mention here that there seems to be an issue with sheet music graphics and MIDI files on Misplaced Pages. For some reason, the sheet music is “temporary unavailable” and some explanatory text to that effect is displayed instead of the sheet music. I would like to know how to go about getting the sheet music to work again. Would you happen to have any knowledge of this. Thank you. 95.148.142.23 (talk) 16:41, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Apparently it is a security issue that the tech team is working to fix. RudolfRed (talk) 19:24, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Your views are flawed

Whom is funding wikipedia

is it The Gates foundation?

They are being divisive and shutting information down as “conspiracy” World Economic Forum was held by Klaus and “The Great Reset” was one of his books. It was on the cover of time, on the mouths of world leaders - the name of a Sesame Street podcast- yet you are labelling this “conspiracy”

Your opinions of “far right” are way off too

The label “conspiracy” alone is opinion based

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:7C10:E4B0:C511:D4D9:3223:FDD6 (talk) 22:31, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Financial reports are here: It might include the major donors. There are also lots of people who only donate small amounts each. RudolfRed (talk) 22:36, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

You can also see Wikimedia_Foundation#Finances. However, WIKIPEDIA MAKES NO GUARANTEE OF VALIDITY. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 23:25, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

To address your real question, Misplaced Pages articles reflect what reliable sources say about the subject. Thus if these sources call something "far-right" or a "conspiracy theory" – this will be reflected in Misplaced Pages's content. – Teratix ₵ 01:01, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

There are so many things wrong in this post I don't know where to begin. First, as User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång and User:Teratix said, Misplaced Pages only reflects what reliable sources say about something, not what any editor thinks. Second, the Gates Foundation can, and most probably is, funding Misplaced Pages, but that is beside the point. All donations to Misplaced Pages go only to maintain the WikiMedia servers. The people who write the Misplaced Pages articles never see a single cent. Nor should they. This is a completely volunteer project. If it were possible to run Internet servers for free, this is what Misplaced Pages would do. Third, it's "Who is funding Misplaced Pages", not "Whom is funding Misplaced Pages". "Whom" is the accusative case of "who", not a fancy upper-class form to say "who". JIP | Talk 01:07, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

In graphic caption I want to put a reference to another Misplaced Pages location without visible reference details

In my graphic caption, I want the reader to see in the text: "methane pyrolysis" I want the reference to be active so normally I would put: "methane pyrolysis" However this only takes me to the Pyrolysis page, a way bit above where I want the reader to go. The actual referenced paragraph Methane pyrolysis on the Pyrolysis page needs to be this: "Pyrolysis#Methane_pyrolysis" However I just want the reader to see: methane pyrolysis

My Question is how to code this in the graphic description to show "methane pyrolysis" but use the reference "Pyrolysis#Methane_pyrolysis"

Thank you for your help. parent55 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Parent55 (talk • contribs) 22:37, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Used a piped link: ] produces methane pyrolysis RudolfRed (talk) 22:45, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

User Complain

Hi, over the past few days, I’ve been overhauling the articles for Transdev Blazefield and it’s subsidiaries. Most of my updates have been published without an issue. However, today I’ve spent hours updating subsidiaries including Rosso, Keighley Bus Company, and Harrogate bus company to update a their services to include all of the current brands and routes they offer. After taking a short break on completion of Rosso, I returned to find that it had been reverted back to its old status, it re-published my edits and continued with the other two companies. Tonight I have gone to check on these pages and all 3 articles have again been reverted. This has all been by the same user “Davey2010”. I ask that this be looked into and my edits be reinstated so that I can continue to update all the information for consumers to be informed properly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AshlyJethro (talk • contribs) 22:40, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

@AshlyJethro: The place to discuss this is the talk page of each article. It is part of the normal process WP:BRD, and you are now in the "(D) discuss" step. RudolfRed (talk) 22:47, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

But please notice, AshlyJethro, that "for consumers to be informed properly" is not part of the purpose of Misplaced Pages. See WP:NOTTRAVEL. --ColinFine (talk) 22:57, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

How to contact an author to provide additional information and sources

I have been involved in research projects that have unearthed additional information on some articles. I really have tno interest in editing myself, is there a way to contact specific authors for an article or a general area I can ask if anyone has an interest in updating the article if I can provide new source material?

I find this all very confusing and am not even sure I'll be able to know if someone has an answer for me. Apologies in I've posted this in the wrong space. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wordsandsources (talk • contribs) 23:04, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Unless it has been formally published we can't use it. But if you have published sources, I would suggest bringing it up on the talk page(s) of the relevant article(s). —A little blue Bori v^_^v 23:09, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

November 25

Small calendar template

Hello,

I'd like to add the small monthly calendar template located in the top right of date wikipedia pages (for example, in July 19) to my userpage. I checked the page's source code, and it says the template is {{calendar}}. When I add this, my userpage ends up with a large yearly calendar, and when I try and fix this by setting it to the current month, I get a string of errors in the broken template.

Does anyone have any advice on what's happening and if I'm doing something wrong?

User:Heyoostorm 01:14, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

@Heyoostorm: I just looked at the source code of {{calendar}}. It is setting some of its parameters based on the page name of the page that includes it (?!). You will need to set those parameters yourself to get the result you want on your page. -Arch dude (talk) 01:48, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

@Arch dude: Thank you for that info. I was trying to answer the question and got confused on how {{calendar}} knows what to display on pages like July 19 when there are no paramters given to it. RudolfRed (talk) 01:54, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Are talk pages subject to rules about content and how to address repetitive claims in talk pages?

I see that a talk page about a university contains claims of sexism and being a "hotbed for the far-right" with a series of links that do not say that according to talk history. It seems that the issue already has been addressed in the talk page archives but that the user copy pasted its claim in the main talk page, without the answers, for it to stick to online readers. Can be considered an abusive use of talk page or should people give again the same answers to the same claims? Is there something to do about it?

Besides, it is written on the user page that he has been aggressive in the past against others, and he has been against me (I wrote something in the ANI, but with no answer) and I don't want to be on the receiving end of his attacks any more, is there a way to pass on the issue to somebody else (just raising the issue but not being involved so that the user does not attack me)?

Thank you.

Delfield (talk) 10:24, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

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