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County Dublin

Your thesis that County Dublin is a "former" county is a misrepresentation of the facts. The page is about County Dublin in general, not specifically about the administrative unit that existed prior to 1994. I refer you to the page on County Cork, which is also about the county in general, and not specifically the County Council administrative unit. The county council administrative unit is given a sub heading within the article. Furthermore the County Cork page references Cork City, which as you may know is not part of the administrative county at all. There is, therefore, a discrepancy between how these two pages are being treated. I suggest you find some more nuanced language than "County Dublin is a former county". Perhaps "... is a former administrative county" would suffice in this case. For further clarity I refer you to

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.17.239.203 (talk) 18:15, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

There is along and tedious history with this page and all other Irish County pages. In short, the current state of the page reflects the best consensus that could be arrived at. If you feel that you've something new and compelling to bring to the party, bring it to the talk page. Until then, stop edit warring. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:39, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

St Jude's

Hi, regarding St Judes; I searched EPPI and Google books; it looks like St Jude's was created out of St James' some time between 1861 and 1867. The OSI mapviewer's 25-inch maps are mostly from later than the 6-inch maps (1880-1910) and the 25-inch gives "St Jude's" (though I had to zoom in to the maximum to bring it up, which means you can't see all the letters at once). jnestorius 21:52, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Nice work. Thanks for your labours. So must all 6 townlands of St Jude's be attributed to Castleknock or only some of them? Laurel Lodged (talk) 23:19, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Final warning of indefinite block

PLEASE STOP.
Yesterday I posted this warning at AN/I that I would block anyone making further edits to change, rename or otherwise affect categorisation of GAA-related articles. You made several further edits after that time and were it not for the fact that you have not edited for some hours, I would now be blocking you. However please understand that if you make any further edits of this sort, I will block you indefinitely even if you are not actively editing (ie even if I only become aware of your edits some hours later). Note that indefinite does not mean permanent, and I or any other admin would happily unblock on an assurance from you that you will not make any further edits of that sort until a consensus is reached. Kim Dent-Brown 10:29, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

You will note the time of my peace offer above ("If Brocach and Finnegas will agree to self-impossed ban on all GAA related articles for a period of 2 months, then I will too."). I posted that immediately after reading the ANI thread. You will also note that all the GAA edits that I made were prior to the offer and prior to reading the ANI notice. So there was no intentional breech of the warning. You should also note that the peace offer was thrown back in my face. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:39, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but your peace offer did not neutralise my warning not to edit further. You made further edits after I had expressly warned you and others not to do so. Please don't continue or I will block you, as I will anyone else who does the same. Kim Dent-Brown 13:43, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

All I was saying was that at the time of the edits I was not aware of the warning. It did not appear on my talk page at the time of the edits. Frankly, I'm grateful for the respite that it will bring to the 3 of us. But I am not hopeful that either of the other 2 will get over their ICANTHEARYOU problem anytime soon. Thanks. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:47, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, that's the reason I didn't block you - my warning was a general one made at AN/I and I accept that you hadn't seen it. If you and everyone else can now simply cease fire until the terms of an armistice are agreed, nobody need be blocked or banned and we can all get back to writing the encyclopaedia. Good luck! Kim Dent-Brown 15:17, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Category: Southern Levant

Hey Laurel Lodged,

I'm currently working with you and Oncenawhile on the Southern Levant Category. I see you had originally described that category, and recently changed your description to be more in line with oncenawhile's proposal. To my eyes, the new description is very vaguely worded, while the original was concrete. What was the reason for changing it? "The history, geography, archaeology, and people associated with the southern region of the Levant", which is what was originally written was clear and to the point, and I think worked really well. To go into more detail, it's important that this category, which describes an important historical region in scholarly research, be well-defined and maintained. Thanks! Drsmoo (talk) 07:47, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

@Drsmoo: It seemed to be the one that had the least controversy, although was not as thorough. Let's give it a trial for a while. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:10, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

TD categories

Hi, its a good idea to refine the TD categories by party and you have been doing. I have taken the liberty of using TDs in the name, e.g. Category:Progressive Democrats TDs instead of Teachtaí Dála. I think this is more succinct, easier to spell, easier to pronounce and follows the current convention for MPs, e.g. parent is Category:Members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom by political party and all the sub cats have MPs in the title, e.g. Category:Conservative Party (UK) MPs. Snappy (talk) 19:42, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

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Category:Religious leaders in New Zealand

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Current monarchies

There was no consensus to delete Category:Current monarchies in the last deletion discussion.

Please put a link to a superseding discussion on the category's talk page so everyone knows why you emptied the category, or, if no such discussion has taken place, please:

Consider adding sub-categories to the category, but only if those sub-categories are true sub-categories, and
Restore any articles that rightfully belong in Category:Current monarchies and which are not in a sub-category back to that category.

This link from archive.org may be of some help.

If you believe the category is not needed, please nominate it for discussion, but please do the cleanup/restoration work first. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:31, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

I have not deleted it. I will consider adding true sub-categories to the category if I find any. I will restore any articles that rightfully belong in it. None of the articles that I moved fits this description; all are now diffused to their proper lowest categorical home. I already nominated it and so will not be doing so again. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:46, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Note: This is now empty after Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_December_13#Monarchies. Moreover, I have nominated Category:Former constitutional monarchies for conversion to a list. – Fayenatic London 20:34, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks for the Chicbyaccident (talk) heads-up. It turns out he's been moving a lot mor than just the 4 pages we noticed. You can move them back too; it's too much for me to do alone and he's refusing to revert his own changes. A note from you on his talk page might help too. Can you help out? Rockypedia (talk) 20:24, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

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Anglican and Lutheran saints

I was going to isolate pre-Reformation Anglican and Lutheran saints just in order to have a more structured discussion about them. This is not as straightforward as ancient and early medieval saints with respect to the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches. Nearly all ancient and early medieval saints are recognized by the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches so removing the denominational categories did not do any harm. But here, not all high and late medieval saints are recognized by any of the Anglican or Lutheran churches, which poses a categorization problem for articles. For example, with Anselm of Canterbury we might remove all denominational saints categories, including the Roman Catholic one, and just leave it to Christian saint. But other very similar saints who are not recognized by the Anglican and Lutheran churches, could be kept as Roman Catholic. That seems inconsistent. So I'm not saying we should keep the both Anglican and Lutheran pre-Reformation categories by all means, but at least we should think a bit about how the alternative may look like. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:46, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Do you have an example of a high or late medieval saint not recognized by any of the Anglican or Lutheran churches? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:37, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Follow-up: see this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:20, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Why did you revert my edits?

You have reverted two edits I made today on the pages Ormond (surname) and Osraige, but offered no explanation as to why. These edits specifically: . Why have you done this? If you don't respond promptly, I'll just redo the edits. --Hibernian (talk) 18:22, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

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Template:S-par/ie/oi

Hi Laurel Lodged

At TfD March 3, you nominated {{S-par/ie/oi}} for deletion.

I reckoned that if the succession boxes were used as designed, then the real problems which you identified would be avoided. So I tested it on a series of biogs of TDs, and posted an explanation at the TfD discussion, complete with links to the examples I created.

This seems so far to have persuaded most other participants in the discussion, but it would be helpful to have some input from the nominator. If you have a few minutes, would you be kind enough to respond at TfD with your thoughts?

Thanks! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:48, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

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Grand Duchy of Lithuania

Hi, I'm listifying Category:Former constitutional monarchies, and have finished except for Grand Duchy of Lithuania which you added into that category last year: . The article doesn't seem to mention the constitutional aspect of its monarchy; do you have a citation for it? – Fayenatic London 20:01, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Well, if you find one, please add it to the list in Constitutional_monarchy#Former_constitutional_monarchies. Meanwhile, I'll delete the category. – Fayenatic London 21:23, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

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Butler dates

Hey there. I am trying to increase the consistency of the display of birth and death dates in biographical articles. My edits are simple housekeeping edits that do not involve adding new information to the article. The birth and death dates are already present in the article in some way. I've gone through hundreds of articles recently, and it is always possible I made a error. Could you link the article(s) in question? Omegastar (talk) 17:35, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Sorry - my bad. I didn't notice that the extra dates were elsewhere in the articles. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:07, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

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Ancient Roman Forts

Under the new organization, isn't Roman forts still entirely unnecessary? If we have it down to types, shouldn't it be removed? Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 21:14, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Yes. But it is only now redundant. A lot of work (by me) was necessary to make it redundant. @Iazyges: You can submit "upmerge to Roman fortification in Foo" proposals if you like. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:43, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

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"Grandfather" categories

Will you kindly explain why you say that the categories

Artillery]]

Naval armour]]

and

Ironclad warships]]

are grandfather categories in the context of the Fortress of Humaitá article, and hence deleted by you? Grandfathers of precisely which grandchildren categories already listed in the article?

Likewise, please explain why in the article Passage of Humaitá you deleted the categories

Geopolitics]]

International relations theory]]

Political geography]]

Artillery]]

Naval armour]]?

Why do you say these are grandfather categories? Of what grandchildren? Ttocserp 13:53, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

They are "grandfather" categories because they are at the top of a structured tree. One never places articles at the top of the tree as it would soon become unreadable and unnavigable. Articles are always diffused to the lowest leaf of a tree. Clicking the lowest category allows you to work upwards until you eventually get to the highest point of the tree. This usually has few articles and consists mostly of son / grandson and great-grandson categories. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:16, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your exposition of the principle. What I am still asking you for, however, is why you say the principle applies in these particular cases. Thus

A. In the Passage of Humaitá article:-

1. What justifies the insertion of the non-existent (and illiterate) category "Fortifications in Parguay"?

2. What justifies the deletion of the category "Geopolitics" -- i.e. what more specific category (if any) did you replace it with in this article?

3. What justifies the deletion of the category "International relations theory" -- i.e. what more specific category did you replace it with in this article?

4. ... and so on for all the other deleted categories I asked you about above?

B. The same for the Fortress of Humaitá article. Ttocserp 15:43, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Please do not delete any categories from the page Fortress of Humaitá again without discussing it on the Talk page for that article. Ttocserp 12:28, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Dear Laurel Lodge. I believe you are not being responsive to real concerns I have, possibly because I didn't explain them well enough. I'll try further.

(a) Do you and I agree it's desirable to avoid grandfather categories whenever that's possible? I believe we do. Therefore, it is always desirable to delete a grandfather category provided it is replaced by its appropriate subcategories . Agreed?

(b) That must mean, replaced by all of its appropriate subcategories – not just one of them. A "branch" may bear two or more "leaves" that are in fact relevant. Now, in a given WP Article, a grandfather category may embrace more than one subcategory: one subcategory may be appropriate to one part of the Article's subject-matter; another subcategory to a different part. It's therefore important, when deleting the grandfather category, to replace it with both (or if there are more than two, all of them). Do we agree that principle too?

(c) A third principle is that it may happen, albeit rarely, that a grandfather category is the only existing category available that classifies a subject-matter. In other words, there are no existing subcategories into which the relevant subject-matter can fit. In those cases, we must refrain from deleting the grandfather category, or the pathway into the Article from that category will be lost altogether. Do we agree that too?

Now let's see how this applies to some of your recent deletions, taking the article Fortress of Humaitá as a concrete example.

The fortress of Humaitá was not just a physical military installation: its importance in history goes well beyond that. For example, as you can see by reading the Article, it would never have been built in the first place unless there had been ongoing territorial disputes between Paraguay and its neighbours. The fortress was built because of those disputes, and also the building of the fortress exacerbated those disputes (the Brazilians had problems sailing to their province of Mato Grosso). That is why I included the Category: Territorial disputes of Paraguay. Please can you explain why you deleted this?

You deleted Category:Ironclad warships. The Paraguayan war was the first modern war, after the American Civil war, in which iron-armoured warships were actually used; and in the history of developments in naval vessels, the Paraguayan war experience is illuminating yet largely forgotten. Also the ironclad warships made this kind of land fortress almost obsolete. The purpose of WP categories must be to facilitate the pursuit of knowledge by its appropriate classification. How is a student of 19th century ironclad warship history, who does not know already about the Paraguayan war and the relevance of the Paraguayan experience thereto, supposed to find the article Fortress of Humaitá, if the category is deleted?

To students of Geopolitics, Humaitá could be an interesting subject. Here we have the most lethal war in South America (and in proportionate terms, possibly the most lethal war, anywhere), of which Humaitá was an instrumental cause, and possibly the most instrumental cause (because, paradoxically, this defensive system made López feel practically invulnerable, and gamble on being the aggressor). Also, the building of the fortress made Brazil feel threatened, because it feared its ships would prevented from sailing to its own Mato Gross province. Rich material for a student of geopolitics, no? But how is a student of geopolitics supposed to get from there to Humaitá, of which he very possibly never has heard? If you say it was ok to delete the category, what subcategories did you think of substituting to enable him to make that discovery journey?

What I've just said applies to Category:International relations theory.

Now let's look at some of your deletions in the article Passage of Humaitá.

The categories Geopolitics, International relations theory, Political geography, Paraguayan war (!), Nationalism studies, Artillery, and Ironclad warships have been deleted, merely on the ground that they're too abstract, with no attempt, so far as I can see, to identify and substitute more concrete subcategories within those classifications, thus losing the informational content. Please explain this.

In general, to me it seems unwise to delete categories unless one is reasonably familiar with the topics covered by the article, which implies having actually read it with some care. Are you confident that you did so?

Please do not delete categories from either of these two articles until we have reached a principled consensus on this. It is better, pending resolution, to retain (possibly) too abstract categories, than to lose the informational content altogether. Excessively abstract categories can always be refined later.Ttocserp 16:08, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

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world values survey studies on catholicism

dear user laurel lodged

the reported results in the catholicism article which you deleted are watertight. get an spss xxiii program, the free wvs file and you will get the same results based on tens of thousands of interviews. i reverted your undo command. user john de norronaJohn de Norrona (talk) 14:09, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

You copied and pasted directly from the PDF and so I have deleted your contribution as a WP:COPYVIO. Don't do it again. Write your own material. Elizium23 (talk) 14:15, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

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Court titles

Hello. I noticed you moved a number of articles which had the words "High Court" in them to separate pages with "High Court (X)", with X being the country in which the court sits. You did this with the High Court of Australia and the High Court of New Zealand. This should not have been done, because the actual name of those courts was as original named in the articles. See, e.g. the talk page for the High Court of New Zealand, where I have explained why that was inappropriate for that Court. There are also comments on the High Court of Australia talk page. I have not checked other courts, but I suspect the same error may have been replicated with them as well. Please be careful in future with other institutions - and I suggest foreshadowing it on the relevant talk page first. Thanks. -Sagaciouseight (talk) 06:26, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Sagaciouseight that the New Zealand High Court article move should have been discussed on the talk page first. I suggested to them that a requested move discussion be held to decide whether the page should be moved back. However, if you accept Sagaciouseight's evidence on the talk page, let me know and I'll move it back myself without further bureaucracy.-gadfium 19:10, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

I think that there needs to be a wider discussion about individual countries appropriating what is, essentially, a very generic name. But for the moment, I'm content for this to be rolled back. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:39, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. In my opinion, I don't think it is "appropriating" a generic term when a name happens to contain that term within a longer and specific title. Taken to its logical conclusion that would seem to lead to absurd and impractical results. For example, does that mean every "Government of X country" is appropriating the term "Government"? Additionally, I don't really see practically how there could be any confusion about it. For example, I don't see how someone visiting a page titled "High Court of New Zealand" could confuse it with a "High Court" of another country. Sagaciouseight (talk) 22:37, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Also apologies for the method of my original attempt at reversion; I did not know how to reverse a move so my rollback was botched. Sagaciouseight (talk) 22:39, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Laurel, I was the one who moved the High Court of Australia article back. Like Sagaciouseight I don't really understand your argument, which you have stated in a number of places, about countries "appropriating a generic term;" that in fact is the opposite of what is the case with Australia and NZ - countries that give their court a title which includes their own (non-generic) country name. But more to the point, wikipedia isn't the place for a "wider discussion" about what countries should or shouldn't do! Misplaced Pages articles should be based on the what actual names are as reported in the sources, whether that's what we editors think they should be or not. I'm still concerned that you moved a number of other articles without discussion (e.g. High Courts of Bhutan, Singapore) and if your reasoning is the same, they should be moved back. Cheers, Melcous (talk) 15:13, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

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I moved Civil parishes of Clanwilliam, County Tipperary to Category:Civil parishes of Clanwilliam, County Tipperary as it seemed to be mis-placed. Hope that helps, Cabayi (talk) 10:28, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

greyhound racing

All 28 events listed in Category:Greyhound racing competitions in the Republic of Ireland should state Greyhound racing competions in Ireland. The Northern Irish competitions are listed within the 28 events so just amending the category will solve the problem. I can change each event individually if you wish. I don't know how to amend the category and I don't think I am allowed to because they were all switched back when I previously changed them individually. (I think I did not follow the procedure for deleting a category). Anyway many thanks for your help and if you have any questions re- Uk & Irish racing please ask. Racingmanager (talk) 10:36, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

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Catholicism (term)

Hello Laurel Lodged,

I wanted to make you aware of discussions concerning the page move discussion you recently participated in at Catholicism (term):

Thanks! –Zfish118 07:15, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Kingdom of Great Britain disruptive editing

If you continue to disrupt wikipedia with nonsense edits such as you will be blocked from editing and face further sanctions. Tim! (talk) 18:07, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Roman walls

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Your disruptive editing on Socialist Party (Ireland)

Please end your disruptive editing warring on this page by constantly reverting. You are providing no evidence for why this long standing content should be removed and do not have consensus. You were kindly asked to take the matter to talk, of which you ignored. Where there is dispute it should be taken to talk, not constantly reverted, leading to an edit war, this is extremely disruptive and unhelpful behavior. Helper201 (talk) 16:14, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

County Dublin doesn't exist???

You reverted my edits on Castleknock because County Dublin doesn't exist. While it may not continue to exist as a county council, it still exists as a traditional county, and Castleknock is in the traditional county of Dublin. Fingal is not a county and it is merely a county council and I don't see a good reason to revert my edits TMN81 (talk) 18:55, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Not true. Please read the article on County Dublin. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:21, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

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Moldova and Moldavia

Hi. I happened to notice your comment here, and I felt I needed to clarify something, in the hope of spreading awareness. I don't object to either your vote or the vote result in general, and I do agree that such categories are redundant. I do however notice that your particular comment is based on a commonplace confusion between Moldova and Moldavia -- it's understandable, they have the same name in Romanian, and Moldova is also called Moldavia in various sources; in fact, Moldova takes its name from Moldavia -- sort of like the "Macedonia" issue, only Romanians don't really object to the name being taken. As clarified by the disambiguation page or this map, Moldova is a mere part of the old Moldavia. Moldavia was a principality, a distinct polity up to ca. 1860, when it merged with Wallachia to become Romania. By that point, it had been stripped of a region called Bessarabia, which was included in the Russian Empire. Present-day Moldova is the part of Bessarabia that was created by the Soviets as a distinct republic -- that is to say, it is smaller than a subregion of old Moldavia, and not in fact its legal successor. So when you argue that it is an anachronism to speak of "Moldavian" in the 19th century or whatnot, you have it backwards: there was in fact a Moldavian state at the time (not really an independent polity, as indeed it was mostly subject to other states throughout its existence; but it had a flag, a government, an army, a fleet, and even a constitution, including forms of representation); there was, however, no Moldovan state (as whatever is now Moldova was either the backwoods of Moldavia or, from 1812, an unnamed part of Russian Bessarabia). If you and others keep entertaining that confusion, as many do, we risk messing up category trees and losing precious information. Dahn (talk) 17:40, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Roman Britain

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Please don’t revert the redirect

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Early categories in Austria

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Austria

You might want to nominate Category:2nd millennium in the Austrian Empire as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:16, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Emptying categories out of process

Please use the CFD process. I noticed that you have emptied Category:1892 establishments in Austria and presumably others today, without discussion. As you are an experienced editor you are fully aware that emptying categories out-of-process is not a light matter, and could result in sanctions being taken against you.

You made a few nominations of multiple categories earlier this year, the last of which (including the category linked above, which you have just emptied) failed to achieve consensus, and this lack of consensus was explicitly because you had chosen not to comply with previous advice to make a comprehensive nomination for what remained.

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Ancient Greece

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Please comment on Talk:Albert Cashier

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Church of Ireland Edits

Thanks for the edits!

(1) Do you have a reference for this quote conform to the established church whilst at the same time continuing to worship...in the traditional, pre-Reformation manner;

(2) I've only taken this up to 1660, so I'll complete it to end of 18th century as per the heading (the trigger was updating the Charles Leslie article);

Robinvp11 (talk) 09:22, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

WT:IE

Be so good as to strike though every one of your unfounded allegations against me at WT:IE#Moycullen, viz. "The question has been rendered moot by the actions of @Scolaire", "Apparently, they interpret an invitation to comment, such as this, to mean delete 57% of the sourced content", "No need for that now after the actions of Scolaire", "I see that you and Bastun have failed to condemn his behaviour.". I did not delete 57% of content; I deleted 20 words. Five days after The Banner deleted large amounts of content. The conflict, such as it is, is between you and the Banner. Scolaire (talk) 20:15, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Cut-paste move of Barony of Fassadinin

Hey, it looks like you tried to reverse the redirect of Barony of Fassadinin and Fassadinin by performing a cut-and-paste move, which is undesirable because it splits the page's edit history. I've filed a request to have the history merged, but in the future please use the method described at WP:SWAP to switch page locations. _signed,Rosguill 20:30, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Sorry about that @Rosguill:. Thanks for the help. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:59, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

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Congress Poland

Please stop.

You know well that the discussion at Category_talk:1900s_establishments_in_Congress_Poland#Chronology_categories_for_Congress_Poland has not reached a conclusion. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:06, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Last warning, User:Laurel Lodged.

Stop now, or be blocked. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:09, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

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Albert Cashier

Hi Laurel Lodged, just to advise that, having inserted the material thrice, the next time would put you into WP:3RR territory. You've been here years, etc., so no template :) but best to be mindful at this juncture. Cheers! ——SerialNumber54129 13:00, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

It's a lot worse than just an edit war warning that you're risking. After many years here, you must surely understand the most basic core principles of Misplaced Pages are Verifiability through citations to reliable sources. And yet, although you surely know this, and though the importance of sources has repeatedly been pointed out to you in the discussion at Talk:Albert Cashier#Fraud, you have still continued to belabor your original ideas about what must, or must not be fraud, based on your own notions of what constitutes fraud without a source to back you up. Your activity in that discussion is starting to be disruptive. Either find a bunch of reliable sources now to back up your assertion of "fraud", or just drop it. Mathglot (talk) 11:15, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Category:Establishments in Posen (Prussian province)

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Congress Poland chronology categories

Thank you for reminding me about the inconsistent Congress Poland chronology categories. I have revised my original CFD close, and moved these back to Poland. See Category talk:1900s establishments in Poland.

My templates Template:Poland 1900s estab by year and Template:Poland C20 estab by decade are no longer needed. Nor is your Template:Congress Poland C20 estab by decade; may I delete it? – Fayenatic London 20:24, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

I have deleted the two templates that I had created. Do you still oppose deletion of Template:Congress Poland C20 estab by decade? – Fayenatic London 21:08, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

I took your silence as a "no", and deleted the page. – Fayenatic London 07:54, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Although you commented about doing something constructive about this on my user page, and in many CFDs, I haven't seen your proposal yet.

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Empty Categories

Hello, Laurel Lodged,

I saw your objection that empty category Category:Events in Congress Poland shouldn't be deleted. But as you know, in WP:C1, policy states that empty categories that are not in use or used as redirects, aren't tracking categories and aren't part of a deletion discussion are deleted unless they are occasionally empty and marked with the {{emptycat}} tag. None of these criteria applied to Category:Events in Congress Poland and apparently no editors could find an article to be part of this category. There are no prohibitions against its recreation if there comes a use for this category. Liz 01:59, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Cfd

In your edit to this cfd you've inadvertently removed a closing > so your edit doesn't appear. If I fixed it the 4 tildes would change to me rather than you. Oculi (talk) 20:27, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

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Thomas Butler of Garryricken

Dear Laurel Lodged. Thank you very much for your recent corrections on the article "Thomas Butler of Garryricken". I am a newby in Misplaced Pages and on an endless learning curve about how to write in Misplaced Pages. My knowledge of the MOS is still very fragmentary. My problem is aggravated by the fact that my English is second or even third language after German and French. So thanks for your corrections. When I list siblings and children in biographical articles and write list entries like "John (1650-1701), who would become president", I mean to use a "future in the past" tense, not a conditional. As biographies of dead people are written in past tense, I thought I should use future-in-the-past for events more recent than the time that I am looking at. So when I talk about the person's birth and his siblings and I talk about the later life of these siblings, I use future-in-the-past; and similarly when I talk about the children. Perhaps you feel that this is not how an English person would do it? — Another problem is the name of the article. The person who is the subject of the article "Thomas Butler of Garryricken" is called "Thomas Butler of Kilcash" in all the references that I know of, but perhaps I have not found those who do. I do not know how to rename an article and I am not the right person for such a drastic change, which if really needed should certainly be done by a more experience Wikipedian such as you. — The last problem I have is how to call the person who is the subject of the article. You replaced "He" by "Butler". To use the family name is probably the general rule. However, in this case about all the persons named in the article are members of the Butler family. Could one use the first name, which is more distinctive in such a case? With many thanks for your help. Johannes Schade.

Dear Laurel Lodged. Sorry I forgot to sign my post. I have been thinking about my use of the future-in-the-past that you criticised. I now think you are right and that future-in-the-past feels stilted and cumbersome in the lists of siblings and children of biographical articles. I will go through the concerned articles and correct them. Thank you very much for your intervention. Johannes Schade (talk) 07:21, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Borras->Borris: brilliant edit! I could not possibly have done this as I lack your Irish background! Thank you very much! Besides, do you understand how our John Butler de-jure 15th comes to marry an English girl?

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John Butler, 15th Earl of Ormonde

Dear Laurel Lodged. I think your latest bout of corrections has substantially improved the article "John Butler, 15th Earl of Ormond". Your English flows much better than mine. I am still busy going through your corrections to learn the lessons you teach me. My main issue at the moment is that I do not understand your edit to the end of the lead, which now reads "it was discovered that the titles had merely been dormant and they were restored to his son". The pronoun "he" seems well to refer to the 15th Earl. However, I thought he died childless. Could this be an error? Besides I find that the "discovery" of the titles being dormant is quite astonishing and may have been the reward given to the 17th Earl for his conversion to the Church of Ireland, but this is just a guess of mine. Johannes Schade (talk) 07:38, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

My bad @Johannes Schade:. I'll fix it. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:27, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Dear Laurel Lodged. Thanks for fixing and for the many improvements you made to the article since that time. Your changes are usually for the better but there is one I wonder about: why do we need to repeat the family name (i.e. Butler) in the list of the 15th Earl's siblings? I will not revert your edit without your agreement, but there are similar lists of siblings and children in about 50 biographical articles that I should change to include the family name for consistency with this one. I am hesitant to do that work without understanding the reasons. With many thanks, Johannes Schade (talk) 07:46, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Dear Laurel Lodged. Your efforts have been rewarded: the article John Butler, 15th Earl of Ormonde has been promoted to C-Class by JoeHebda (perhaps you have already seen). Congratulations! Johannes Schade (talk) 13:53, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

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Walter Butler, 16th Earl of Ormonde

Dear Laurel Lodged. I just saw (a bit late) your correction from the 22 September on the article Walter Butler, 16th Earl of Ormonde where you changed the descriptions of the events in the Timeline (formerly "By date") table to past tense. I thought about this and realised that you are right and I should change. I will therefore go through the Timeline tables of all the articles concerned (about 40) and change them to past tense. I am a bit less convinced about Born -> Birth, especially since you changed Dies -> Died and not -> Death, but there might be a good reason that I do not see. My English teachers always told me that the verb forms should be preferred over the nouns, but perhaps not in that context. This is important because it appears very often. With thanks. Johannes Schade (talk) 10:41, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks @Johannes Schade:. I think that you are more correct using "born". Good work on the other Butler articles. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:21, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! I will thus use "Born".Johannes Schade (talk) 09:54, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

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Hi! RFe this revert: in my edit summary I was referring to MOS:DABREDIR. If you click on that link you'll find yourself in a section of the manual of style for dab pages, which explains the use of redirects in entries.

Your approach would be preferable if the Cave of Hira was a non-notable entity that would only ever be treated within another article. However, it is a an article-level topic: it's notable in its own right, it used to be a separate article for most of its existence and it could become one again at some point, and even at the moment it's treated in a self-contained section of the article it was merged into. – Uanfala (talk) 10:57, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Your approach would be preferable if the Cave of Hira was a separate article. Since it is not, my approach is preferable. Let us not engage @Uanfala: in WP:crystalball gazing about future events. It is what it is. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:05, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

I encourage you to read MOS:DABREDIR, especially the fourth bullet point. Thanks. – Uanfala (talk) 11:09, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

@Uanfala: I think that sub-section 3.5.2 of the MOS is the relevant section for this issue: "For foreign-language terms, be sure an article exists or could be written for the word or phrase in question. Usually this means that the term has been at least partially adopted into English or is used by specialists.". Since the current name fails that test, then a re-direct is inappropriate. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:15, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

This is not a foreign-language term in the sense of the section you're citing. The relevant part of the MOS, which I've been trying to get you to look at for some time now, is "A redirect should be used to link to a specific section of an article if the title of that section is more or less synonymous with the disambiguated topic". – Uanfala (talk) 11:19, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

@Uanfala: How is it not a not a foreign-language term? Since you won't find that mountain in any English dictionary, sub-section 3.5.2 applies in this case. This dicussion should probably move to the relevant talk page. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:15, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

That subsection is for foreign-language terms that you would normally find in a bilingual dictionary, say, the Arabic words for "rice", or "cave". The Cave of Hira on the other hand is a geographic location. The entry on the dab page Hira is not for the Arabic word "hira" (in which case it shouldn't have been there in the first place). – Uanfala (talk) 12:20, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

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John Butler, 17 th Earl of Ormonde

Dear Laurel Lodged. I looked at the article John Butler, 17th Earl of Ormonde and noticed that curious addition to the last on the list: "Elizabeth Butler (died 1822), married 1799, Thomas Kavanagh (1767–1837), The MacMorrough." It seems The MacMorrough is a kind of clan leader, and an Irish hereditary title, which I do not really understand. It has been added quite early in the history of the article on 6 May 2009 by a user called Hohenloh, unluckily without any citation. You put it then into bold on 25 November 2011, so I guess you understand why the The MacMorrough should be mentioned and why it should appear in bold in an article about an Earl of Ormond. There is also a The MacMorrough mentioned in the list of siblings. That one has a Wikilink on it which points to an article called Caomhánach. That latter article seems to be written more in Irish than in English and seems to say very little about The MacMorrow. Perhaps you have an idea where to look for references and for how to make this understandable for non-Irish readers of the en-Misplaced Pages like me. — Besides, I just realised that you are an old man living in a Laurel Lodge home. I am also an old man but still at home with my wife. You might live quite near to me. I am in Bangor, County Down. It seems there are Laurel Lodge homes in Larne, Longford, Dublin and other places. Johannes Schade (talk) 19:09, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

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Of course the archbishops relate to a larger area, but they are actually based in, and I think, live in, the city, dont they? To say someone is "from" somewhere can and often does mean that they do what made them notable there. Rathfelder (talk) 09:46, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't agree @Rathfelder: If the category was called "Clergy in Dublin (city)", then your argument would work. Not only have many archbishops not been from (i.e. born in, or lived a substantial part of their lives in) Dublin city, many have not been from the surrounding counties. Many of the Norman / English archbishops were foreigners and some of them never bothered to even reside in the city. If any individual person is genuinely from the city, then that person should of course be a member of the category; the Archbishops in general, cannot, however, be moved in bulk into the category. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:52, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

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At first glance it seems to me that this is primarily a nationality category for English people in Ireland (although only in the Elizabethan era). What is your opinion? Marcocapelle (talk) 16:37, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Not really. The current sole occupant is from County Galway. In principle, they can be English or Irish. It's sufficient that they're in 18th-century & 17th-century spy categories. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:13, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

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Hey Laurel! Thanks for your contributions--and your support. I really appreciate both. One change you made on Persecution of pagans was to change the verb says to said, and I wanted to let you know, it is a literary convention to always discuss what literary works 'say' in the present tense--they are still saying it whenever we read them. The authors may be past tense, but their writings are always referred to as speaking not as having spoken. I didn't change it back, but the entire rest of the article follows the present tense rule except that one sentence now, so if you could change it back, that would be great.

And Laurel! What's with the love of the word that? I was taught not to use that if the sentence is intelligible without it--especially two of them right after each other! But you aren't the only one I've run into who loves that everywhere--another editor here dinged me on an FA because they wanted thats everywhere too! To them it created clarity, to me it was just clutter! So much of writing style is personal--so I left all your thats in place. Someone out there will like them, I'm sure. Someone not me. Anyway, thanx again. Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:00, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Thomas Butler, 10th Earl of Ormond

Dear Laurel Lodged. Thank you for your correction in the article "Thomas Butler, 10th Earl of Ormond". As you know English is not my 1st language and I do make mistakes. Several times now you corrected me when I tried to use future-in-the-past and you commented "wrong use of the conditional tense". I was not intending to use conditional mood. I was trying to express that something happened in the past but was a considerable time ahead of the moment where the story, told in past tense, was. The Misplaced Pages article "Uses of English verb forms" has a paragraph dedicated to future-in-the-past. The example given there is "She knew that she would win the game". I feel this is similar to "Thomas would survive Elizabeth by 11 years", which you corrected to "Thomas survived Elizabeth by 11 years". Obviously, what you propose is right, I mean there is nothing wrong with "Thomas survived Elizabeth by 11 years", but it loses the subtle difference of stressing that Thomas's death was in the future with regard to the normal flow of the narrative. Thanks for your patience that I do not want to abuse. With many thanks, Johannes Schade (talk) 12:02, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

I now have a better understanding of your purpose @Johannes Schade:. You're correct - future-in-the-past is quite subtle. Perhaps I've been too literal. However, in this particular case, I still think that its application would not be as correct as the more literal form. For example, had the story been "...and so just to spite Elizabeth, he went on to father 10 children by 5 different women", then there would be continuity. However, his narrative really ends with Elizabeth's death. I see no notable events beyond her death that could in any was be associated with her presence or lack of presence. Do you agree? Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:05, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Dear Laurel Lodged. Yes, I agree. You have a point. I am glad we do understand each other about future-in-the-past as being different from conditional mood. Perhaps I have a tendency to overuse future-in-the-past. With thanks and greetings, Johannes Schade (talk) 14:51, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

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I know we hardly know each other, but I am in need of help. About a month ago I nominated Biblical criticism for FA. It is getting little enough attention that the coordinator is considering archiving it. This is its second try and I am afraid that would kill it forever. IMO, it is an important topic that deserves to be amongst WP's best. It needs a source review - random checks to be sure sources say what the text claims, so I am asking everyone I know for help. There are too many sources for any one person to do, so if you could even do one, it would be deeply appreciated. Post anything you do here. Please help if you can. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:07, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

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Hello! Why did you reverted this my edit? --Pcaalt (talk) 19:19, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Because it deleted valuable categories Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:22, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

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@Laurel Lodged:I fell off my chair laughing. I read it with an American accent and everything lol. Thank you for providing some much needed wikihumour (I don't think the other editors will appreciate it though). Have a nice day. Kevo327 (talk) 20:33, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

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