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Western Sahara War: 1975-1991

I dispute with the date of 1973 as the beginning of the war, in 95% of the articles I've read about the issue puts on 1975 as the date of the starting of the hostilities (for some authors the date is 1976). Of course the Polisario Front fight against Spanish Army started in 1973, but this confrontation was more small raids on Spanish military posts on the north than a war. Also, for example, Polisario started to fight against Moroccan forces (Front Liberation & Unity) infiltrated in W. Sahara in 1974, but it were skirmishes on some parts of Saguia El-Hamra, not a war. It was in late 1975, with the invasion of the armies of Morocco & Mauritania when the war started, with generalized fighting (Farciya, Mahbes, Smara, Dakhla, Lagouira...).--HCPUNXKID (talk) 12:41, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Where's the proof the war started in 1975? Spain took part in this war. B-Machine (talk) 19:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

koavf's adds are not neutral

Let's begin with the first paragraph : The Western Sahara War was the armed conflict which saw the Sahrawi rebel national liberation movement Polisario Front battling Morocco and Mauritania for the decolonization and independence of the former Spanish colony of Western Sahara from 1975 to 1991. The war resulted in the Spanish retreat in 1976 (Polisario had fought against Spanish forces since its creation in 1973), the Mauritanian retreat in 1979 and a cease fire agreement with Morocco. The bigger part of the territory remained under Moroccan control.

First : Polisario Front was fighting for independence not for decolonization, decolonization needs a referendum, the two parties were agreed for that after the war not during the war

Second : western sahara is not a former spanish colony but is still considered legally as a spanish colony despite the spanish retreat

Third : if polisario has fought spanish forces since 1973, morocc has fighted them since 1958 when the moroccan king Mohamed V claimed soereignty over western sahara in the same year

Fourth : "sahrawi rebel national liberation" is a secundary information that must be inserted in Polisario front article, if you insist that it should be mentionned in this article, then we should replace morocco by "The moroccan-Sahraoui liberation army", moreover many mauritanian soldiers enrolled polisario, so we can't speak about "sahrawi rebel national liberation" but only "a national movement of liberation"

Sincerely --Yusuf ibn Tashfin (talk) 22:35, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Non neutral Terms

This article is plenty of non-neutral Terms like "moroccan attack", it was a war between 2 armies, both of them are attacking and counter-attacking, not only morocco was attacking, this article is in general not neutral, and try to give a false reality about the war and the history of the territory, favoring one party over an other...(kind of propaganda) and using some questionable spanish antimoroccan sources --Yusuf ibn Tashfin (talk) 10:04, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately koavf is a well known POV-pusher on those articles, he's been blocked some 30 times for this but always finds a way to come back. There isn't much we can do about some of the fallacious stuff he inserts in these kind articles. --Tachfin (talk) 10:05, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Western Sahara conflict

Dear user Stegop, please notice the difference between the Western Sahara conflict (Polisario Front dispute for Independence), which has lasted since 1975 till today; and its first phase - the Western Sahara War, which went on from 1975 until 1991. Mixing interiwikis of the "conflict" and the "war" is messing up things. Thank you for understanding.Greyshark09 (talk) 22:02, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Reverting edits for no reason, citing unreliable/biased sources.

Reverting edits for no reason, citing unreliable/biased sources.

Most of the edits I've made were justified, I removed bits that were non-factual, dramatized and based on personal assumptions. I didn't remove sourced content I edited the sources with more credible ones that aren't affiliated with any side of the conflict.

1) The Western Sahara is under Moroccan control as it also administers the area as opposed to just occupying it.

2)The percentage of land Morocco controls isn't clear as it's difficult to assess as the borders between the Polisario and Mauritania aren't clear. So, it's more based on assumptions than facts.

3) Islamic Jihad is an accurate description of the nature of the activities led by the Polisario as it also has a religious and political aspect to it. https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-7-2011-005886_EN.html?redirect

4) Morocco was able to achieve decisive gains as it now controls the majority of the territory. 5) Since building the wall Morocco was on the defensive as they didn't try to capture the rest of the territory and were mostly stationed behind the wall.

6) The report that Saudi Arabia helped Morocco before the ceasefire is biased and couldn't be verified with independent sources.

7) The polisario did use using women and kids as a human shield, i referenced independent sources, and I don't see why it should be removed other than trying to make them look good for the lack of better words.

I'm not used to working with Misplaced Pages, if you have any objections, discuss them with me here rather than reverting my edits for no reason without providing any counter-arguments.

1. The fact that Morocco occupies (illegally for that matter) Western Sahara can be attributed to a raft of reliable source.

2. The land that is under Moroccan occupation is roughly 75% (easily sourced, but tag it if you wish).

3. That's your baseless POV.

4 and 6. Again, that's your POV and certainly not a valid reason for the removal of the rock solid reliable sources.

7. Great, you can add that to the article (without removing anything) and we'll also add that the Moroccans shot at those defenseless women and kids (with a source of course).

Being new is not an excuse for the removal of sourced content and edit warring. M.Bitton (talk) 16:24, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Can you point out exactly what sourced did I remove? I removed 3 sources for "military stalemate" that were books written by a Spanish individual and replaced them with a declassified CIA document that states the same thing, but it would easily classify as a more reliable source.

Control and occupy is roughly the same thing, the illegality of the occupation is also contested otherwise there wouldn't be a conflict in the first place.

I cited a source other than my own point of view, with all my respects one has to be mentally impaired to confuse my personal point of view with an outside point of view, i would cite other sources if would be so kind not to remove rock solid sources.

I didn't remove any source for 4, again you have to be impaired to think I did. Its common logic that Morocco controls the majority of the territory as the 25%(based on estimates) the polisario controls is by no mean a substantial.

6 is propaganda with not concrete proof.

7 Morocco didn't shoot the women and kids, they fled and there's plenty of evidence, sources and articles documenting it. There's even video proof. The articles stating otherwise are propaganda.

On the other hand there's plenty of articles and evidence of human rights violations withing the Polisario and Algeria itself, everything from rape to murder and torture and the role of Algeria in establishing the polisario. Hard line facts that I don't see anywhere in the page.

one has to be mentally impaired to confuse my personal point of view with an outside point of view. First personal attack.

I didn't remove any source for 4, again you have to be impaired to think I did. Second personal attack.

You're going to have to find other editors who are willing to put up with your personal attacks. M.Bitton (talk) 17:43, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

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