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A barnstar for you!

		The Canine Barnstar
		For tirelessly completing the monumental task of reviewing and reclassifying all of the dog related articles on English Misplaced Pages (over 3800 of them). Cavalryman (talk) 12:07, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Excuse me

I didn't know that it was from a cited source and someone said that. I thought it was just basic knowledge. The same with the European Rabbit. I am not attempting to cause disruptive editing, I just genuinely did not know. I thought I was just adding information.

This is what I hate a bout my life. I do something which I believe to be harmless by accident, but then I basically step on a landmine and people give me death threats and I hate it. I didn't know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Firekong1 (talk • contribs) 11:16, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Nobody is giving you death threats and hate here. People spend a lot of their own time on Misplaced Pages tracking down WP:RELIABLE sources and stating what the experts have written. Then someone comes along and adds other things under the source that was cited, based on what they think and not on what the expert has written - that is not fair. Here there is no "general knowledge", everything has to come from a reliable source. This is an online encyclopedia, not a personal blog. William Harris (talk) 12:10, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello again

I never said it was a personal blog, and what I did was done in innocent ignorance rather than willful trolling. I didn't notice the citations, honest. I apologize if I seemed like I was altering the respective articles. I assumed that the information put in there was from common knowledge observed by people, not from written sources. And technically, I get threats, which spells death to my editing time at wikipedia, so yeah. But anyway, please don't block or remove me. I keep making honest mistake after honest mistake, but people think I'm just a troll or a hacker. I promise that I will never edit and set foot on wikipedia again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Firekong1 (talk • contribs) 00:54, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

People come to Misplaced Pages and are confronted by the mass of policies contained in WP:POL. They start editing, they make mistakes - haven't we all? - and someone comes along and lets them know. As long as you comply with only 3 policies, and you are able to WP:CITE from WP:RELIABLE sources that other editors can WP:VERIFY, nobody could doubt what you are doing and you will be a valuable contribution to Misplaced Pages. Please do not leave the project; this event is part of your development. By placing iron ore through a furnace, steel comes out the other side.

Also be aware that the messages you remove from your talk page are not deleted, they are archived and can all be reviewed by anyone looking at your talk page history. Your best approach might be to not delete them and make your thoughtful and well considered comments underneath, rather than giving way to initial anger as you did regarding Zebra, which fortunately you overcame and amended by yourself. That way you can show remorse, learning, and progress, and not be seen as trying to hide something. From the edit history, I saw one example of an editor giving you helpful advice, and another editor trying to keep you from being banned for edit warring. Then there are my two notices. I do not see exhibited there "I basically step on a landmine and people give me death threats". You are over-dramatising, please resist doing that to yourself. William Harris (talk) 07:30, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Greetings

Of course I feel remorse. I don't do them to tick people off, I did it because I thought the articles were missing some additions. And i am learning and changing. It's not like I'm doing this on purpose. I don't know who runs wikipedia now, but I assume I can go to them and ask what articles should be edited properly or not. Also, I wasn't trying to overdramatize. I was just paranoid. But yeah, my point still stands that I basically get into a lot of trouble by accident. And I admit that I made mistakes that I didn't know were wrong. For example, I added "African Cheetah" as a species, but I didn't know they were a species. But still, African Cheetahs are animals, and its easier to call them a species by their range name rather than multiple names. And I see Zebras as a whole as "Vulnerable", and they probably are, and the same is with African Cheetahs. And also, I have a lot more questions and statements, but wait until you're ready. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Firekong1 (talk • contribs) 13:35, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Nobody "runs" Misplaced Pages, it runs itself. There are a set of policies, and there are some very experienced editors who have become Administrators and have been granted powers to enforce those policies. The rest is all done by editors similar to you and I. The people who have visited your talk page and left you messages - including me - are all simply more-experienced editors. There is a place on Misplaced Pages where editors specialise in helping new editors, it is called the "Teahouse" and you will find it by clicking on the WP:TEAHOUSE. This is the place for your questions. All the best with your future edits; I am here if you get stuck. William Harris (talk) 08:51, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Hey again

Hi. I hope I'm not in trouble. I do have an interest in mammals, especially megafauna, extinct and extant, but I'm interested in all animals and even life on earth as a whole. I especially have gained in interest in megafauna living today, such as african megafauna. I also am running a wiki of my own on fandom, and I have ambitious plans for it. Anyway, I wish to learn more about extant megafauna, so please let me know if there's anything relating to that. And if you have a personal place where we can talk easier, that would be fine.

Also, what happened to the conservation status on the zebra and chinese high-fin banded shark?

And should I edit something weird from this page:https://en.wikipedia.org/Domestic_sheep_predation (For context, it lists gophers as a predator of sheep, without citation), and besides, that makes no sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Firekong1 (talk • contribs) 20:03, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

You are not in trouble - an Administrator has not enquired on your Talk page! If they do, you will be given a fair chance to explain yourself - they are reasonable people. You may be interested in WP:ANIMALS and WP:TREEOFLIFE. You can raise issues about an article on its Talk page, and see if there are other editors who will respond and take action. Please do this with zebra and chinese high-fin banded shark - these are not within my scope. Articles like Wolf and Dingo have a big following - ask a question there and you should have a response within hours. Other articles do not - it would appear that "Domestic sheep predation" was one of these. There was an IP who visited it in July and wrote rubbish - nobody responded, so I have now dealt with it. If nobody responds within a week to your Talk page request, place into the article at the end of the offending text (in edit mode, copy this now and add it to your sandbox for later use). If nothing is done about it, after about a month remove the text and the citation required template with an edit summary, such as "Removed uncited text". Nobody should have an issue with that. Be aware that a citation at the end of a paragraph could be covering the whole paragraph, or just the last sentence; you will need to check the reference. William Harris (talk) 07:51, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks

I still have a few questions, but I'll list some of them later. Where and how do I ask questions to the projects? And I'm heavily interested in extant megafauna. Do you know if that community exists? Firekong1 (talk) 22:29, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

On the project's talk page; that is where you can follow some interesting discussions on that topic. I do not know of any community regarding extant megafauna. Perhaps once you have a little more editing experience, you might start up one under WP:MAMMALS! William Harris (talk) 23:14, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Sup

There's this user that I'm having an issue with. They're called BhagyaMani. I have been making some incorrect edits which that person undoes, but I have been asking to talk to them, and I have received no answer. In fact, they just remove it. All I want to do is talke to that user and ask them a question, but they won't respond. And they even blame me for not talking to them. But they're the one who won't respond. Firekong1 (talk) 14:24, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, if you have a WP:RELIABLE source that the animal is known as the "European marten", then simply include it. If your edit is reverted again then raise the issue on the article's Talk page. BhagyaMani is well known for improving animal articles - you will need to have your facts correct. William Harris (talk) 21:13, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Why won't Bhagyamani respond to messages on his talk page that I leave him? He won't answer me, and I'm always waiting for a response. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Firekong1 (talk • contribs) 14:30, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

You will need to ask that editor directly. I do not regard "You haven’t talked to me for a while. Am I in trouble?" as having asked much directly. If still no reply, then be guided by Marcus Aurelius: "How ridiculous and how strange to be surprised at anything which happens in life." William Harris (talk) 05:04, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

HELOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!82.10.53.151 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:54, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi

I wrote a more mature message on his page, but he hasn't responded. Can you tell me why he won't respond? And/or can you please ask him for me? https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:BhagyaMani#Greetings,_and_a_sincere_apology

When you wrote "Another user by the name of User:William Harris told me that if I needed assistance on Misplaced Pages articles on extant megafauna, I could come here", that was not exactly correct, was it? If he won't answer then I recommend that you just live with it. William Harris (talk) 06:38, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

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November 2020

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Misplaced Pages, as you did at Boerboel. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Jln115 (talk)

(talk page watcher) Jln115, William Harris, I'm sorry to butt in, but neither of you should be leaving vandalism warnings for the other – neither of you is engaged in vandalism or anything like it, it's just a content dispute. Vandalism is intentional damage to the project, not disagreement over how to improve it. Since I'm here: edit-warring really never resolves anything and is best avoided however hard it may seem at the time ("Edit-war? What is it good for? Absolutely nothing!"). Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:22, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

I am not so sure that is the case, JLAN.

WP:VANDALISM states that "On Misplaced Pages, vandalism has a very specific meaning: editing (or other behavior) deliberately intended to obstruct or defeat the project's purpose, which is to create a 💕, in a variety of languages, presenting the sum of all human knowledge."

Among those 5 pillars listed as the purpose, we have the second pillar, WP:5P2, which is about maintaining a neutral point of view. We have here an editor who is disregarding WP:NPOV by deleting a WP:RELIABLE, WP:SECONDARY source because they disagree with it. The way I see it, this is a case of just another vandal who should be going down the same path other vandals have gone before. They have now received 3 escalating warnings, with a final Level-4 warning left to go, as is the due process.

Your respected opinion, please? William Harris (talk) 11:56, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

If I was a vandal I wouldn't go through the trouble to engage on the talk page as I've done(you on the other hand have stopped engaging on the talk page and simply revert edits as you please), I also wouldn't go through the trouble of presenting several pages of South African legislation and statements from the Kennel union of South Africa to prove my statements. As I've stated before I find it hypocritical that you claim I'm deleting WP:RELIABLE, WP:SECONDARY sources yet you are guilty of doing the same.

As I've stated on the talk page I don't believe the source is a WP:NPOV as the author has stated himself that his research is informed by Marxist social history, however that debate is for another day, As I'm more concerned that you(William) think it is proper and relevant for political and racial statements to be included on a dog page.

Lastly I would like to thank Justlettersandnumbers (talk) for your input and look forward to your opinion on this matter, regards Jln115 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 15:58, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm leaving this arena now. For what little it's worth, my opinion is that this is an ordinary content dispute and can easily be resolved by well-mannered and collegial discussion. If that doesn't seem to be working, you could try getting a third opinion, though a request there might be rejected because there's a revert by a third editor, Cavalryman; other options are WP:RFC and WP:DR. I invite all involved to avoid any kind of escalation. Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:03, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Alopekis

external link to add on the Alopekis article: https://greatdanegnosis.wixsite.com/mysite subject to your approval. I had put a lot of effort into the article, with personal research, conservation efforts and on-the-ground knowledge, over many decades, shame to see it reduced to a stub but I suppose only third-party sources count as "reliable" here, while first-hand cynological study / experience / expertise / original research on a subject does not matter... Please remove my talk, apologies for formatting errors, this was the only way for me to contact you about this, best wishes, User:Fainomenon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fainomenon (talk • contribs) 18:24, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Christmas mummy?

Thought you would appreciate this new wolf pup mummy from Alaska, if you haven't already seen it: FunkMonk (talk) 21:15, 21 December 2020 (UTC)