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The Israeli victory should be removed from the results

Israel did not achieve any military victory except its siege of the third Egyptian army on the west of suez canal on the other hand Egypt achieved a victory by demolition of Bar Lev line and taking over of the eastern bank of the canal, so how it is said that Israel gained a victory. the war results is closer to a draw MOHAMED TARIQ MOHAMED HEGAZY (talk) 07:28, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

There seem to be several reliable sources for this. Demolition of Bar Lev and taking over the east bank is Operation Badr, that is, of course, a victory for Egypt. And if Egypt had kept it, maybe it would have been something between draw and victory for Egypt. But as later Israel broke the defense lines and captured some piece of the east bank and some territories on the west bank, it can't be called Egyptian victory. Maybe something between Israeli victory and draw. Don't forget also about the Syrian front that is clearly a victory for Israel. --Oloddin (talk) 06:55, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

let's get into an academic and non POV discussion regarding this point. It's an extreme point of contention and dispute every year on the 6th of October on all Arab Broadcasting outlets the fact that Misplaced Pages lists the results as: Military Victory for Isreal while reading the entire article there just does not seem to be any indication there was a victory so decisive to be quoted in such an assured way in the headliner, at most it could be said to be a Military victory for Isreal if based upon the number of casualties and for Egypt if based upon acquiring the strategic intent of initiating the war or something of that nature.

So, let's discuss it, how are wars decided in terms of history and loss? Numbers of casualties, numbers of victorious battles, acquiring land, or achieving goals set prior to starting war? Answering that question would directly lead to a correct answer on what should be put on the headliner Result. In terms of sources, I can gather you about 100 acceptable sources claiming absolute victory on both sides, so acquiring sources after we know what's Misplaced Pages's policy or the standard encyclopedia policies of stating war victors, should be the least of our concern, it's a highly debated and sensitive war thus "reliable" sources are abundant claiming both stories, that will not be an issue. So how are war results drawn for Misplaced Pages War articles? Especially ones that are historically proven to have been ended in a stalemate and both sides gaining particular victories and many losses, and in wars where the end comes by an international intervention rather than simple annexation of a state by another where debates would be futile. What's "military" victory anyway? Why doesn't it say Victory like all war articles? How was that conclusion drawn, and are there any other ways of being victorious that militarily in an international armed conflict? But again, I am an Egyptian and might be perceived as biased, so let's discuss it academically and factually, how are war conclusions drawn, when we do so, we can clearly edit it for the correct statement whatever that will be. Dr.EbrahimSaadawi (talk) 09:39, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Israel did not achieve any military victory except its siege of the third Egyptian army on the west of suez canal on the other hand Egypt achieved a victory by demolition of Bar Lev line and taking over of the eastern bank of the canal, so how it is said that Israel gained a victory. the war results is closer to a draw Sherifff Ashrafff (talk) 10:15, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Dubious information in Events leading up to the war'

The '20000 Soviet advisors' expelled were actually regular servicemen of an anti-aircraft unit of Soviet Union. Also, the claim that Egypt only got air-defense material is contradicted in a previous paragraph, by mention of planes, tanks and missiles acquired from USSR. The claim that Soviet advisors were expelled from Egypt is questionable - and has been questioned in 'The Soviet-Israeli War' with various sources. There is evidence that Soviet troops were present in Egypt during the war. The section needs a rewrite. Teerthaloke102 (talk) 12:10, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

It appears that Soviet regulars - the air defense crew - left Egypt in 1972. They left as they tranferred control of the air defense system to Egyptian military. Two seperate sources- air defense expert Murzintsev and General Gareev - said that new advisors were arriving in Egypt - according to the former for replacement. Also, USSR continued supplying all types of weapons till and during the war. GeorgeCray (talk) 12:54, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Correction of Israel's victory in the war Israel did not win the war

Israeli victory should be removed the right is Egypt victory as many encyclopedias says Saleh Emad (talk) 02:49, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

I assume there's some reason for all these new editors here

Could it be this article? I can't read much of it. Doug Weller talk 18:53, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

I have no political sympathy in the Arab-Israeli conflict. Teerthaloke102 (talk) 09:15, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

big bias

There is a big bias on this page that favors the Israeli point of view, just as the majority of sources are Jews or Zionists who support Israel. The first notable prejudice is the number of participating forces, which I mentioned as a million Arabs against 200,000 Israelis. In fact, this is a comprehensive number of all Arab armies. Actually, soldiers how foughg in battles do not exceed 300,000, and there are minimizing Israeli losses. Arab sources are: from 9,000 to 10,000 dead and 20,000 wounded. check:Edgar O'Ballance. No Victor, No Vanquished. p. 265 and 30 حديث المشير أحمد إسماعيل حول بعض جوانب حرب أكتوبر بصحيفة الأهرام". موسوعة المقاتل. 14-10-1974. مؤرشف من الأصل في 6 نوفمبر 2016. اطلع عليه بتاريخ 05 نوفمبر 2016. Hyi9900 (talk) 21:24, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes I also heard in a documentary that Israeli dead were around 9,000 and not 2800 stated in this Misplaced Pages page Nlivataye (talk) 09:11, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Flags

The flags in the infobox are unhelpful because Egypt and Syria both used the Federation of Arab Republics flag in 1973. I suggest using anachronistic flags, and explaining why with a footnote. jnestorius 15:34, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

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Ottomanempire192 (talk) 15:02, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Decisive Egyptian Military Victory

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Ed talk! 15:04, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

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result is egypt win isreal and they return sini

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:15, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

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As a wikipedia contributer, I noticed a lot of uprising on social media about how one-sided this specific article was against Egypt when it comes to 'Result of War'

The article result contradicts the two other wikipedia articles on this war, which are much more nutreal. A lot more accurate version that I have seen is in (https://simple.wikipedia.org/Yom_Kippur_War), (https://ar.wikipedia.org/%D8%AD%D8%B1%D8%A8_%D8%A3%D9%83%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%A8%D8%B1) as well as the Egyptian victory side of the war entirely mentioned in ( https://en.wikipedia.org/Operation_Badr_(1973) ), claiming Yom Kippur War as an Israeli victory is false information since Israel was victorious on the Syrian front but not on the Egyptian front. It was a stalemate in Sinai which led to the agreement between both countries, both Arabs and Israel claimed victory though no military victory can be announced for the entireirty of Yom Kippur/October War.

Misplaced Pages is supposed to be a nutreal encyclopedia, when it comes to war simply, using Israeli sources and books only for declaration of the winner is not okay and has offended loads of people online, please check my sources and consider the following changes:

Under the Infobox, 'Result':

Change "Israeli military victory" to "Egyptian victory on the Egyptian front and Israeli victory on the Syrian front"

Change/Add "1979 Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty"

The article also condradicts itself as I quote from the article "The war began with a massive and successful Egyptian crossing of the Suez Canal. Egyptian forces crossed the cease-fire lines, then advanced virtually unopposed into the Sinai Peninsula. After three days, Israel had mobilized most of its forces and halted the Egyptian offensive, resulting in a military stalemate." It was an Egyptian victory on the Egyptian front, Israeli victory on the Syrian front. Therefore the overall result of the war in the infobox should not be "Israeli victory". Very biased and misleading.

Thank you. Ziad Rashad (talk) 19:14, 20 December 2020 (UTC) Ed6767 Jonesey95

References

1. https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2018/10/8/the-october-arab-israeli-war-of-1973-what-happened#:~:text=Both%20the%20Arabs%20and%20Israel,the%20Israeli%20parliament%2C%20the%20Knesset.
2. https://www.euronews.com/2013/10/06/a-short-history-of-october-6-1973
3. https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2013/10/09/The-legacy-of-the-October-war-in-Egypt-and-Israel
4. https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1997/Moulton.htm
5. https://thearabweekly.com/remembering-october-war-46-years
6. https://www.timesofisrael.com/a-look-at-the-landmark-egypt-israel-peace-treaty-sealed-40-years-ago/

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. Please also find better reliable sources. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 14:15, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Okay, sure thing. My point is simple: if it wasn't for the war then Sinai would have remained an Israeli land to this day. Since Egyptians had an upperhand in the war they managed to get a deal and reclaim Sinai after the attacks, Syria on the other hand had lost the war and that's why Golan Heights are still under Israeli occupation to this day. WhenEgyptian forces crossed to Sinai and got circled by Israelis, Soviet Union threatned to send troops for Egypt's aid and after that the US threatened with nuclear bombs. Therefore, it was simply a stalemate but Egypt had the upperhand in the negotiations since Sinai was already breached. (the attack was only halted by Israel until Russia and USA interfered)

Summary: Egyptians won the peace treaty by crossing Sinai and leaving no option other than a treaty to take the rest of Sinai without more loss of lives. And Syrians have lost the Golan Heights, to this day it is occupied by Israel.

The 'Result' inside the 'infobox' seems to accounf for Israel's win against Syria only. So once again, please change "Israeli Military victory" to "Egyptian victory on the Egyptian front and Israeli victory on the Syrian front"

I also forgot to mention that it is very biased to use only Israeli and American sources for the article, I could mention 30 Arab or Soviet sources that are reliable in the Arab world and all of them talk about Egypt's victory and stalemate in Sinai. But I won't do that, I'll link American and Israeli sources that say the same thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ziad Rashad (talk • contribs) 02:16, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Sources:

CIA https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/international-relations/arab-israeli-war/nixon-arab-isaeli-war.pdf

BBC documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icaeBubBbDg

https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/dr/97192.htm

"No Victor, No Vanquished" Edgar O'Ballance, pg. 161 & 162 https://docs.google.com/viewer?embedded=true&url=http://www.hativa14.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Edgar_Oballance.pdf

"The truth is that the October War, militarily speaking, was a standoff. Even though the Egyptians gained some 300 square miles of Israeli-held Sinai on the east bank of the canal, the Syrians lost almost the same amount of terrain in the north. Politically speaking, the war drastically changed the situation in the Middle East from the almost crystallised one of No Peace, No War, to one of No Victor, No Vanquished."

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/reports/2006/R1864.pdf

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/u-s-state-department-summary-of-the-yom-kippur-war

Moreover, the first battle of the war (https://en.wikipedia.org/Operation_Badr) was a decisive Egyptian victory.

Last two major battles of the war before United States ceasefire (https://en.wikipedia.org/Battle_of_Ismailia) and (https://en.wikipedia.org/Battle_of_Suez) were also both an Egyptian victory.

Ziad Rashad (talk) 02:01, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

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