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| Despite your claim of 'personal bias' at ], I provided a quite clear edit summary outlining the problems with your changes. You cannot provide your own interpretation of the change in numbers in the article. The article has sources, including a Watch Tower source, indicating that many early members left the denomination during the 1920s. The fact that new members joined during that period is obvious and uncontested, and your headstrong 'need' to 'refute' the unstated 'claim' about 'only' original members seems to suggest some bias of your own. I have retained the sources you added, but have once again removed your editorial speculation. Your unsourced claim about 'fraudulent Christians' is entirely unacceptable, and if anything of that substance is to be included at all, you must provide a source from that time period indicating that it was actually the reason at the time (not a post hoc reason provided decades later). Even with a source, such inflammatory wording about other denominations is not at all acceptable in ], and a direct quote should be provided instead.--] (]) 08:45, 11 January 2021 (UTC) | Despite your claim of 'personal bias' at ], I provided a quite clear edit summary outlining the problems with your changes. You cannot provide your own interpretation of the change in numbers in the article. The article has sources, including a Watch Tower source, indicating that many early members left the denomination during the 1920s. The fact that new members joined during that period is obvious and uncontested, and your headstrong 'need' to 'refute' the unstated 'claim' about 'only' original members seems to suggest some bias of your own. I have retained the sources you added, but have once again removed your editorial speculation. Your unsourced claim about 'fraudulent Christians' is entirely unacceptable, and if anything of that substance is to be included at all, you must provide a source from that time period indicating that it was actually the reason at the time (not a post hoc reason provided decades later). Even with a source, such inflammatory wording about other denominations is not at all acceptable in ], and a direct quote should be provided instead.--] (]) 08:45, 11 January 2021 (UTC) | ||
| You do have bias. I'm sorry, but it's obvious. | |||
| What your saying is that all sources must be from that time? Pretty silly claim as I'm sure you realize. If I write a novel with respect to to medieval history and source it, I suppose under your logic is simply has no weight because only novels from that time are relevant. | |||
| The source provided (Watchtower slave) is simply unverifiable and assumes that 75 percent of OG Bible Students left during the 20s. Yes, people left. Were they new people? Were they older ones? Were they both? Who knows? Readers should know that it is up in the air. | |||
| Your final comment with respect to inflammatory speech reveals your true nature of bias as the comment in itself is not inflammatory. It simply stated they wanted to separate themselves from fraudulent Christians. An official source was provided found in a novel about the History of the Witnesses indicating the reason. Sources sources sources my friend. If you want to find one that refutes that claim be my guest. | |||
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| I also noticed that you inappropriately removed reference to worship ''of Jesus'' in their 1945 charter at ]. Despite their later changed view about exclusively worshipping Jehovah, the charter does indeed explicitly refer to worship of God ''and Jesus Christ''. I have provided a citation from the charter, with a direct quote. You might also like to note that when the 1945 charter was quoted in the 15 December 1971 issue of ''The Watchtower'' (page 759), they deleted the word "and", replacing it with "" (square brackets theirs).--] (]) 09:39, 11 January 2021 (UTC) | I also noticed that you inappropriately removed reference to worship ''of Jesus'' in their 1945 charter at ]. Despite their later changed view about exclusively worshipping Jehovah, the charter does indeed explicitly refer to worship of God ''and Jesus Christ''. I have provided a citation from the charter, with a direct quote. You might also like to note that when the 1945 charter was quoted in the 15 December 1971 issue of ''The Watchtower'' (page 759), they deleted the word "and", replacing it with "" (square brackets theirs).--] (]) 09:39, 11 January 2021 (UTC) | ||
| No, I didn't. | |||
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False accusation
Despite your claim of 'personal bias' at Bible Student movement, I provided a quite clear edit summary outlining the problems with your changes. You cannot provide your own interpretation of the change in numbers in the article. The article has sources, including a Watch Tower source, indicating that many early members left the denomination during the 1920s. The fact that new members joined during that period is obvious and uncontested, and your headstrong 'need' to 'refute' the unstated 'claim' about 'only' original members seems to suggest some bias of your own. I have retained the sources you added, but have once again removed your editorial speculation. Your unsourced claim about 'fraudulent Christians' is entirely unacceptable, and if anything of that substance is to be included at all, you must provide a source from that time period indicating that it was actually the reason at the time (not a post hoc reason provided decades later). Even with a source, such inflammatory wording about other denominations is not at all acceptable in Misplaced Pages's voice, and a direct quote should be provided instead.--Jeffro77 (talk) 08:45, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
You do have bias. I'm sorry, but it's obvious.
What your saying is that all sources must be from that time? Pretty silly claim as I'm sure you realize. If I write a novel with respect to to medieval history and source it, I suppose under your logic is simply has no weight because only novels from that time are relevant.
The source provided (Watchtower slave) is simply unverifiable and assumes that 75 percent of OG Bible Students left during the 20s. Yes, people left. Were they new people? Were they older ones? Were they both? Who knows? Readers should know that it is up in the air.
Your final comment with respect to inflammatory speech reveals your true nature of bias as the comment in itself is not inflammatory. It simply stated they wanted to separate themselves from fraudulent Christians. An official source was provided found in a novel about the History of the Witnesses indicating the reason. Sources sources sources my friend. If you want to find one that refutes that claim be my guest. (talk)
I also noticed that you inappropriately removed reference to worship of Jesus in their 1945 charter at History of Jehovah's Witnesses. Despite their later changed view about exclusively worshipping Jehovah, the charter does indeed explicitly refer to worship of God and Jesus Christ. I have provided a citation from the charter, with a direct quote. You might also like to note that when the 1945 charter was quoted in the 15 December 1971 issue of The Watchtower (page 759), they deleted the word "and", replacing it with "" (square brackets theirs).--Jeffro77 (talk) 09:39, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
No, I didn't. (talk)